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Dennis Donovan

(31,059 posts)
Sat Feb 15, 2025, 01:26 PM Feb 2025

The US will not allow Europe, whose sovereignty is threatened by Russia, a seat at the negotiating table.

Elliott Lusztig
‪@elliottlusztig.bsky.social‬
This is a seismic moment. Among the defining moments of global politics since 1945.

The US will not allow Europe, whose sovereignty is threatened by Russia, a seat at the negotiating table.

www.theguardian.com/world/2025/f...

February 15, 2025 at 11:40 AM


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The US will not allow Europe, whose sovereignty is threatened by Russia, a seat at the negotiating table. (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Feb 2025 OP
So two votes against Ukraine. GreenWave Feb 2025 #1
Infuriating but not surprising Docreed2003 Feb 2025 #2
Arrogance and ignorance is a dangerous mix. surfered Feb 2025 #3
This is outrageous. pandr32 Feb 2025 #4
All other nations dweller Feb 2025 #5
Ukraine is a European nation. greatauntoftriplets Feb 2025 #6
Bad idea. moondust Feb 2025 #7
This is utterly shameful Hekate Feb 2025 #8
Recent executive order changed spelling of "diplomacy" to "FU" struggle4progress Feb 2025 #9
This will bring about the United States of Europe. roamer65 Feb 2025 #10
That fucking asshole needs to be kicked out now! Initech Feb 2025 #11
They can "negotiate" whatever they want, Emrys Feb 2025 #12

Docreed2003

(18,714 posts)
2. Infuriating but not surprising
Sat Feb 15, 2025, 01:28 PM
Feb 2025

We are the bad guys now. No one should be shocked that Trump would use his office to capitulate to his favorite dictator.

pandr32

(14,272 posts)
4. This is outrageous.
Sat Feb 15, 2025, 01:35 PM
Feb 2025

We will never recover from the shame and the fact that we didn't stop our takeover.

dweller

(28,411 posts)
5. All other nations
Sat Feb 15, 2025, 01:39 PM
Feb 2025

Should have negotiating peace treaty talks with Ukraine , leave out u s and Russia.


See how that works




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moondust

(21,288 posts)
7. Bad idea.
Sat Feb 15, 2025, 01:56 PM
Feb 2025

Europeans obviously know the deep history of the region and its conflicts better than anybody. I would trust them to find a solid resolution much more than I would trust delusional Russia or the pandering U.S.

roamer65

(37,957 posts)
10. This will bring about the United States of Europe.
Sat Feb 15, 2025, 03:40 PM
Feb 2025

There will be a consolidation of the EU and the European remainder of NATO.

Ukraine will be a member state. I can also see eventual Canadian membership.

The Roman Empire is about to be reborn.

Emrys

(9,101 posts)
12. They can "negotiate" whatever they want,
Sat Feb 15, 2025, 04:02 PM
Feb 2025

without European buy-in, nothing can be delivered - and there's no sign of the supportive European powers breaking ranks with Ukraine - so they can suck it up and talk till they're purple in the face.

The US mouthpieces have declared that they want no part of policing any resolution arrived at, so they have no legitimacy.

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