Okay I cannot dismiss this nagging thought any longer.

[OldBaldy1701E]

So, I will drop it here for my fellow DU citizens to ponder and discuss.

Do any of you think that maybe all of this is an attempt to goad someone from 'our side of the aisle' (meaning it will either be a real leftist-type or a plant that has good cover) into doing something big and rash so that they can immediately declare martial law and then literally install the oligarchy as the new governmental model, thus bypassing the courts and anything else that attempted through 'normal channels'?

Because I am finding it harder and harder to dismiss the thought.

What do you all think? or ?

[underpants]

1. They don't think anything out that far.

[BoRaGard]

8. Ahhh, they have been gaming out this takeover for 40 years or more

This ain't no fluke. the kristofascists maga anti-freedom repubes are kicking US democracy to the kurb -- and they've got plans with objectives, circles, arrows, heirarchies, plan Bs, plan Cs, etc., and thugs STANDING BY in the wings to try and crush facts, freedom, and The American Way.

Ain't no secret either. Plain evil in plain sight, wrapped in the Flag and humping a Bible (which they ignore systematically).

[OldBaldy1701E]

18. "...and humping a Bible (which they ignore systematically)."

They just simulate humping it because they would have to open it to do otherwise and we all know they have not opened that book except to have their names embossed on the front page.

[Blue Full Moon]

53. Longer than that. The Russian love is new though.

[brush]

104. No need to declare it. They've already got it. trump/rethugs are in charge everywhere.

[Linda ladeewolf]

54. Trump doesn't,

Someone else is pulling his strings right now and they do think. So this is a possibility. We.have to outthink and outsmart the enemy. To do that we have to try to think like them. What would we do if we were the Cheeto king? What would his puppeteer do? Once we have that down, we got them.

[Texin]

86. This has been the rethug wet dream since during FDR's New Deal programs were enacted. Their mindset has never changed.

And I cannot forget TSF's charge to his MAGA base that if they voted for TSF in the last so-called election "they'd never have to vote again". He and his minions, the likes of which all resemble Stephen Miller" have been planning all of this retribution reign since November of 2020.

[Wounded Bear]

2. Not out of the realm of possibility. trump & Co would certainly seize the opportunity if it comes...nt

[ariadne0614]

45. Rude Pundit agrees.

This is from today’s blog post titled, The Simplest Expanation: They Are Evil

(snip)

“They are fucking up the lives of Americans. They are driving people to despair. I have said that I believe the real goal here is to provoke a violent response from a group or individuals, giving Trump the chance to declare martial law and just have his way with us as surely as if he were keeping us chained to a wall. We are in the midst of evil, awaiting to see what other evil will occur.”
https://rudepundit.blogspot.com/

[OldBaldy1701E]

51. The Rude One is one of my faves.

He is a smart guy.

[claudette]

57. Problem is

He is so vulgar I stopped following him. It’s not necessary to get dirty in the gutter like magats.

[valleyrogue]

61. I agree. He is mostly unreadable. The vulgar and rude act wears very thin. n/t

[claudette]

78. 👍

😊

[mwmisses4289]

65. No, S/he doesn't need to be vulgar to

their point across. However, we do need to get dirty in the gutter to fight them. The time for "staying above the fray" and "taking the high road" is past, long past.

[claudette]

77. Maybe

But the Rude Pundit has been speaking like that long before Dump came on the scene. I’m sorry I can accept fighting back but not with constant sexually explicit vulgarity. I don’t miss him.

[valleyrogue]

91. What is truly scary is Lee Papa (RP) is a professor of English.

Does he talk like that when he is lecturing to his students? God help us all.

Here is his bio:

https://www.csi.cuny.edu/campus-directory/lee-papa

[claudette]

96. Oh dear Lord

I did not know that. Goddess help us all!😬

[valleyrogue]

89. The problem is he (RP is a man) is vulgar just to be vulgar.

His writings are completely unreadable.

[rasputin1952]

99. I lean to agreement...

as always though, there is a caveat.

In psychiatric and psychological circles, it is widely believed that an individual who uses "crude" language, is essentially more honest than those who parse their words more carefully.

As an old GI, I can cuss with the best of them, generally speaking, however, I adjust my speaking and writing to the audience I am addressing. It takes most people a split second to make a decision as to what they are hearing or reading, using "crude" language can stop that decision-making in its tracks. Those who are offended, will almost always seize on what they consider offensive, and the message following the word will become muddled, there is a tendency to "zero in" on the word used, missing the portion of the message that follows.

Generally speaking, I don't mind the use of almost any word.
Another caveat: I do not tolerate any language that demeans or attacks any person or group.

[claudette]

107. Sorry

I was raised in a family whose father and brothers never used that kind of language. We were taught that was WRONG. Period. And I will never change my mind

[rasputin1952]

110. That is fine by me...

It is most assuredly your choice. I respect that.

The downside is, you will still hear and read it. Every decision we make has a cost attached.

[aocommunalpunch]

108. That's pretty depressing.

His words resonate and call for action. That’s shadowed by his choice of language? Really? In these times? How unbelievably sad.

[claudette]

115. It's not that

I disagree with his liberal stance - but "in these times" is no excuse for me to listen to such vulgar comments by him. "These times" do not call for us to go to the gutter with him. I left him long ago.

[ariadne0614]

95. Mine too, in spite of his potty mouth.

As a general rule, I shun people who indulge in sewer language. Hypocritical as it may be, I make an exception in the case of RP. He uses language the MAGAts stupidly construe to be “hyper masculine.” RP makes it hard for them to write off as insufficiently “manly.” For whatever perverse reason, I feel indulgent toward his willingness to “fight dirty.”

[JoseBalow]

114. I make an exception when it comes to MAGA bastages

[Beausoleil]

121. Lousy cork-soakers!

[I_UndergroundPanther]

116. I cuss when my feelings

Are strong cussing can help control emotions like rage. Also I am honest and tell it like I see it. With my heart mind and emotion.

Cuss Nannie’s are so busy being offended they miss the message and the thoughts and emotions driving the message. And if a few cuss words make you plug your ears that’s a you problem.

I won’t tell you to cuss but I will not stop cussing either it serves a purpose There are far more morally evil things around us than f bombs.

[ybbor]

52. He's on Stephanie Miller right now

Love him!

[rubbersole]

67. For the whole hour!

He is spot on as usual.

[BBbats]

97. ME TOO!

He's expresses what I feel.
I get it about the vulgarity but the people in our Government are vulgar.
And he really pisses MAGA's off!

[rampartd]

3. i think the proud boys have been awfully quiet

too quiet

the camps are not ready for the first waves of "enemy commbatants" (meaning us)

[Hope22]

4. They don't need a reason.

If they are ready they will create a distraction and label it worthy of ML.

[OldBaldy1701E]

20. I agree but a reason, no matter how flimsy, has better optics, especially internationally. (n/t)

[Hope22]

39. Unfortunately they do not give a crap about optics.

If they did they would have saved us a couple of allies. They are burning it down at this point. Imagine turning our border counties on us with the stroke of pen. Always remember he wanted to shoot the peaceful protester at the church in DC. Term 1!

[BadgerMom]

62. Well, they do employ an entire television network that masquerades as journalists.

Easier to kill or imprison family, friends and neighbors if you have liars muddying the water.

[Voltaire2]

5. Don't obey in advance.

Fascism attempts to instigate climate of fear and dread in order to stifle opposition and resistance.

Protest. Boycott. Speak up.

[Johnny2X2X]

6. They don't need an excuse

Trump is the supreme leader, whatever he does will be defended.

[displacedvermoter]

7. Wouldn't have to be someone from

"our side of the aisle" honestly. The kid who almost gave Trump a high velocity lobotomy was from the dark side. I think any serious act of violence would be spun any way they wanted it spun.

Yes, it is very worrisome.

[OldBaldy1701E]

14. That is why I mentioned a 'plant'.

Any such actions would be spun in the way to justify the declaration. And, it seems to me that they are looking for it, by creating it.

As the old saying goes, "Sometimes there is no enemy... until you go looking for one." It just seem to me that they are trying to destabilize things for more than the fun of it. They cannot implement their full agenda through normal channels.

So they are going to bypass the entire thing.

[displacedvermoter]

19. I think there are enough MAGA crazies

that it could happen without their active involvement, it wouldn't necessarily be a plant, per se. But we have to hold our collective breath, I fear.

[BoRaGard]

30. Notice that the G.O.P. is still hiding the facts of the PA "attempted assasination"

Felon 47 was allegedly "treated" at a nearby hospital. The basic, standard report on his treatement (a band aid?) is still some kind of stinking STATE SECRET.

What the Hell are the Repubes hiding here? Don't tell me I shouldn't be suspicious, that I'm just another garden variety ConspiroJerk. In my nonhumble opinion, it would be stupid to be anything other than suspicious.

[rubbersole]

70. The whole episode was hinkey from the jump.

Apologies to the family that watched their dad lose half his brain in front of them.

[mr715]

111. "High velocity lobotomy"

is a work of linguistic art. That certainly is an evocative way of describing it.

[Dennis Donovan]

9. He has a private army of alt-right militias. He'll turn to them first to stage a false-flag terror attack...

...and then declare that it was antifa or something like that. If such a thing goes down, I'm guessing it goes down like that.

[OldBaldy1701E]

15. I find that scenario a solid one. (n/t)

[Bernardo de La Paz]

23. They are incompetent and will botch it and be revealed, if a false flag is attempted. . . . nt

[Trust_Reality]

29. I hope you are correct!

[Gary 50]

72. Yeah, and that will matter how?

It won't matter because they will call the truth "fake news" and the entire Republican Fascist party and Faux news will line up behind the lie and the need to declare martial law. They will tell us "we're doing it to save democracy" and their idiot followers will somehow think that destroying democracy will save it.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

94. Jan 6 was lied about, but most of the public know it was violent. Cons will con about other things but

... but the public will know.

For example, they may try to jigger unemployment stats, but there are private companies like ADP who also track it, and the public will know if larger numbers of their family and friends and neighbors are unemployed than usual.

Further, if Democrats and progressives meme the hell out of it, propaganda and fake news can be countered.

FACET counter-propaganda:

* Fast (quick response),
* Accurate (true, unassailable),
* Clear (instantly digested),
* Everywhere (abundant, plentiful),
* Targeted (at audience of original propaganda)

[yellow dahlia]

112. I have a similar concern.

I am not sure if the PA incident was a false flag...perhaps.

There might be one in the works to justify them furthering the tightening the clamp on the country, ie: martial law.

But here is a scenario that I am more concerned about. "Someone" (not the "Left&quot takes him out, and they blame the "Left"/Dems. It can create an opening for a lot of their self-serving narratives. But it also might be a catalyst for the notsocivil war they want.

I hesitated to even put words to paper here. But I think we need to anticipate and prepare for all their tactics.

[bluestarone]

10. I would NOT say no here. (it's highly possible! My question is (for our lawyer friends here)

What effect would Martial law have on the 2026 election? Could rump states do something way out of the ordinary? (like cancel their elections, or postpone them)

[themaguffin]

11. No. This is a combination of greed/grifting, power grab and ideological extremism on their part

[OldBaldy1701E]

17. Yes, I am saying that this is their M.O. to get there. (n/t)

[themaguffin]

83. They always over reach & this is it on steroids. They've been salivating at destroying the gov & are not even...

...concerned about the collateral damage.

...at all.

[yagotme]

12. Some on our side have literally said "We are at war",

so I can see some poor soul taking that to the extreme, and start shooting at Rethugs, "because my party said so". Someone that's unbalanced, hopped up on anger, can be very dangerous.

[OldBaldy1701E]

24. That is a scary thing to be sure.

That would put us right in the crosshairs. Even as we declare the rethugs to be less a party and more a cult and worthy of being labeled as a terrorist organization for their efforts to subvert the Constitution into the Oligarchy Decree, one rogue like that would turn that narrative against us.

We must try to refrain from actions that have not been thought through. Which is very difficult for humans as we are emotional animals and it is the outside overlay of 'society' that creates the need for reason to prevail, IF the end goal is the continuation of a peaceful and progressive community.

We kind of need to maintain that.

[DeepWinter]

13. Yes/No

There are people prone to over reaction. Ie: The 2 Trump shooters. I personally think stupidity like that won him sympathy votes and pushed him ahead. It made Democrats look bad simple by being adjacent, or guilt by association, though law abiding Democrats had nothing to do with it.

But I don't see any Martial law at all on the horizon. The Militarty is too split and has too many Democrat leaders at the top to go along with something clearly internal-political in nature, not external-political in nature. (No, Russia stll doesn't have that power)

[Alice B.]

25. My question, which follows up to your point about the military is...

How does martial law work in a country as heavily armed as ours? Where police allow classrooms to fall victim to gunmen because they’re concerned about the firepower on the other side of the door?

Martial law would presume everyone with a firearm/s would be down with it or not be at risk of turning on those in power?

[OldBaldy1701E]

31. It would be a blood bath.

Which would certainly play into their machinations, as it would remove so much dissidence to their side.

With recruiting goals being dropped every years due to low turnout, they have become pretty desperate to maintain personnel. These newbies are... from ideologies that used to be held as reason to disqualify their joining. My point is, they will be greener than past classes and with hotheads and panic-tacons on both sides... there will be engagements.

Again, it almost smells of design. Put younger, more easily riled up people against other people who are also easily riled up.

Again, I am just saying that I see this possibility becoming more and more apparent (to me anyway) each day.

[Alice B.]

35. Thank you 😣

[dlilafae]

16. It's a Hoover vacuum situation

Hollow out the agencies, and Hoover up the cash.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

26. Herbert Hoover playbook: shaft veterans ("Hoovervilles" ), do nothing as stock market crashes & unemployment rises. . nt

[gab13by13]

21. It would have to be a Reichstag fire

My worry is the other end - inaction.

[OldBaldy1701E]

27. My exact thought when I first started noticing what was going on.

'Are they trying to create a Reichstag moment here?'

[Rustynaerduwell]

22. You are wrong because I think you aren't right enough. He won't need someone from the left or a plant.

He just needs time. It will be one of a hundred possible reasons, but I have no doubt the Orange One is going to impose martial law at some point.

It's not just a nagging thought. I feel it the way my knees feel a storm coming.

[usonian]

28. More likely that RW'ers who lost jobs and medicaid react

They know only brute force. Recent examples are on that side of the fence, and they are copycats.

We knew "the plan" behind the racist bullshit. They were betrayed (I see a new FAFO flag coming)



FAFO

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=edit&forum=1002&thread=19770873

[OldBaldy1701E]

33. Yep. That is a solid scenario that could end up with him making the declaration.

[Walleye]

32. I think you're probably right, good reason for us not to rise to the bait. They will drown of their own weight pretty so

[OldBaldy1701E]

36. I hope so.

This is not a movie set. We don't need 'The Running Man'. (Fun movie, but much better book. Stephen King, in the collection called 'The Bachman Books'.) I am terrified that it will be someone that can be 'Six Degrees Of Kevin Bacon'ed to one or more minorities or groups like the LGBTQA+ or some racial minority.

Then, we get more than martial law... we get hunted.

Which is why we need to stay focused on creating solid, reasonable efforts to stop them. Resistance is not futile, but actions accomplish more.

They just need to be sound, solid actions with reasoned creation and execution. And they need to happen very, very, very soon.

[Walleye]

37. We don't need hotheads like the group that started the chant genocide Joe

[OldBaldy1701E]

44. Absolutely not. (n/t)

[Maru Kitteh]

34. I think they welcome the thought, but that's not the driving purpose.

I think it’s exactly what it looks like.

[OldBaldy1701E]

40. Yes. What I am saying is that they seem to be trying to provoke it.

They are raiding our government before they collapse it. The quickest and easiest path to that is to declare complete rule. Here in the US, there is really only one way to do that properly and that is to declare martial law. Then, he can do whatever he wants for real. And, other nations will not have much choice but to act as if everything is okay.

Every time a judge has ruled against them, they just thumb their nose. Every time they do something that hurts Americans, they just laugh and say, "Who is going to stop me?" It just all looks like the old school bullies, who are trying to goad their target into action so that they can beat their ass.

I just don't think it is accidental that they are acting this way for every bit of resistance they are getting. They know what they are doing, as far as their goals of crumbling the present governmental arrangement, and I am still thinking that this will be their moment to seize it all in the name of 'security'.

Then, the deportations will increase because he will label us all as 'undesirable' and kick us out. That is 'worst case'.

There was a time when the 'worst case' was only a hypothesis. I don't think it is anymore.

[Silent Type]

38. Think it could work out that way, but don't think it's some master plan.

[OldBaldy1701E]

41. Ehh... more 'seizing the moment because they know how they want to proceed' I think.

[Rebl2]

42. Has crossed

my mind.

[C_U_L8R]

43. He'll just fabricate his own crisis.

There's no one to stop him.

[OldBaldy1701E]

47. I have thought of that as well.

But, the more 'they did it' it looks, the better the optics both domestically and internationally would be for taking over completely.

It is also the fastest. They are nothing if not impatient.

[GreenEyedLefty]

46. And if they do?

What are we going to do about it?

[OldBaldy1701E]

49. That is my question as well.

(Yes, I know the irony of using a movie to express my thought when I just said above how our situation is not a movie. I prefer to use things that convey my thoughts better than I can is all.)

[flying_wahini]

48. OF course they are. Probably another Kent State at a federal site though. With plenty of Jan 6 stooges

Willing and ready to mow down libs in cold blood.
They don’t care HOW it happens but you can bet your bottom dollar it will.
They want a WAR, you see.

[OldBaldy1701E]

50. My thought as well.

[johnnyplankton]

55. I think that is the end game. Never underestimate evil.

[claudette]

56. Honestly

As scared as I am, I don’t think they’re trying to goad us into martial law. I don’t think they will have to. They are gaining full possession of our government as it is without a fight

[unblock]

58. They don't need us for that. They routinely lie and exaggerate, and obviously so.

A single immigrant kills a single victim and it becomes a cause celebre for years, an excuse to completely upend the way we do international trade, immigration, etc.

A million lefties peacefully protest, but all the media can talk about is a few broken windows, quite possibly by right-wingers concealing their skin color.

If they want to impose martial law, they will, and they will manufacture an excuse no matter what we do or don't do.

[flashman13]

59. Yes I have been thinking along these lines. Trump will do this for the simple reason that it makes him all powerful.

He thinks. Will the U.S. military murder it's own citizens in the streets on Trumps orders? In my heart of hearts I do not think they will do it. I have already decided that I am willing to personally test that theory. My father flew 34 missions over Europe at the risk of life and limb to defend America and the world from fascism. I will not dishonor his memory. I will put my life on the line to defend my country from this orange fascist pig. So say I.

[ms liberty]

60. They're setting up the conditions and will let nature take its course

In other words, much more a LIHOP than a MIHOP, IMO.

[orangecrush]

63. You mean extralegal methods?

Nothing has stopped THEM so far.

[dchill]

64. Aw, shit! Get out of my HEAD!

[Nululu]

66. Nah. They'll run a false flag

They could also lie. But they'll start killing when enough people hit the streets. They don't need a justification.

[OldBaldy1701E]

100. That is what I see as well.

There will be no real protest. The second we actually get some real numbers to gather somewhere, they will send out everything to arrest and intimidate. They will attempt to pressure employers to fire those who they arrest, and they will publish their addresses and other stuff so that the MAGAranhas will gather and attack.

Then, they will wrap themselves in the flag and proclaim that they saved our country. Which is so hysterically funny I cannot think about it.

[Nululu]

102. Sounds like those evil SOBs NT

[stillcool]

68. I think of Lafayette Park.

Don't know how that works on a national scale, and don't understand military actions enough to try to understand. I'm sure the Pentagon has plans. Ready then, ready now.

[Baitball Blogger]

69. Yes.

But it will probably be someone from his side, and they will blame it on us.

[OldBaldy1701E]

101. A planted 'leftist' who will take the fall for dear leader.

I am thinking the same thing... assuming no one from this side moves first. I suspect that, assuming they are unsuccessful in goading someone from the left to react, they will pull something like what you say.

And, then take over the country in the name of protecting it.

[Baitball Blogger]

103. The big unknown is the number of Americans that need medication to get through the day.

Left or Right. If they need drugs, but can't afford them, then whatever they do is due to mental problems. When you blame it on mental problems, then Trump is responsible for creating that problem for himself.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

118. Rfk

Wants to ship everyone on adderall and anti depressants to therapy farms. Deported all the immigrants force the mentally ill to plant it and pick it. After all they are easy to traumatize into submission. Slave labor / ”reeducation” concentration farm in the name of being “therapeutic”.


The disabled died first last time Nazis controlled a govt.

[Baitball Blogger]

119. Is this in writing?

OMIGOD. How did I miss that.

[somsai]

71. CT

[Martin Eden]

73. "maybe all of this is an attempt to goad"

No, not "all of this," as there are multiple reasons for the actions being taken -- but I don't doubt the Orange Fuhrer is itching to declare martial law when massive protests arise, especially when a national election approaches in 2026 or 2028. He'll get his jollies seeing protesters get shot along with an excuse to cancel elections.

I also expect false flag actors would spark violence to justify martial law. These fascists will stop at nothing to seize and hold onto power. It would be a mistake to underestimate what they will do. Trump wants to be Putin, and Musk wants to rule the world.

[Arazi]

74. Yes

[Sogo]

75. My thought is similar, but it's more in terms of

"something big and rash" giving the Moron MAGATS a chance to start shooting back....And thus beginning the Civil War they've been craving....

[lark]

76. What I expect is a false flag operation - he follows Hitlers example closely!

His goons will do it and they will claim it is Antifa or some other leftist group when it's really fascists in disguise.

[CrispyQ]

79. Martial law is on the menu for sure but not during the opening courses.

Right now the king is on his glory tour, forcing himself into our national events for his photo-slops. I stole that from the internet, probably FB & it's so fucking perfect! So sick of the orange fucker. People chose this instead of joy & compassion & integrity.

[GiqueCee]

80. I've been saying exactly that for months...

... it might not even be the primary reason, just an added benefit that they're planning on to justify even more depraved depredations. The Orange Gargoyle has even said out loud that imposing martial law would make it easier to exact his revenge on those who called out his lies, or even simply failed to be sufficiently obsequious.
I have NO patience with, and even less respect for, those who persist in trying to give this evil psychopath the benefit of the doubt. He's already shown everyone that he is a ruthless psychopath; BELIEVE HIM!
The world cannot afford – or indeed, survive – any more Neville Chamberlains; we've got far too many in Congress as it is. He has to be stopped, but Musk and his pimple-faced minions have to be stopped first. Trump talks about all the harm he will do; Musk is already doing it.

[BBbats]

81. I have no trouble believing that.

They're just itching to do it.
And the Trumpers will scream "Look what your Trump Derangement Syndrome has led to!"
Along with Leftists,Antifa,etc.
And as I've said before they won't hesitate to turn our Military on the Civilian population.
Especially in Blue Cities & States.

[LT Barclay]

82. I don't think they believe martial law is necessary. They are just planning a coup in broad daylight because the

Democrats play by the rules and there is nobody in stop them.

[live love laugh]

84. They can do whatever they want they're unchecked. No need for conspiracy theories.

[DemMedic]

85. My hypothesis is that we will be in martial law by spring.

He won't need a factual reason, he'll just make it up.

[allegorical oracle]

87. At the rate that experienced gov't. people are leaving (willingly or not) and being replaced with

inexperienced workers, there's a mess of daily things that are going to get screwed up. Cutting the FAA, for instance, means less experienced flight controllers, possibly fewer flights and delays. Destroying agencies will have ramifications as many services are no longer available -- from the CDC to Medicaid to the VA.

That has to cause blow-back for Repug incumbents of all stripes. Tons of MAGAts are used to receiving gov't assistance and they'll eventually get fed up. The ones I know have very short fuses. It's a matter of how long it takes, imo.

[lageorgia]

88. This has been my belief the entire time

I believe Musk is just waiting for some massive protest or action on our side so martial law can be declared. I also believe this closed border goes both ways. Right now we are mass deporting anyone not in the Nazi image but the next step will be not allowing white Americans to move overseas. I read they are already causing hold ups/denial on overseas retirees not getting their SS. Take away the ability to access Social Security overseas and you just locked down a huge number of Americans that are fed up and wanting to move

[jgmiller]

90. Frankly yes

I'm not saying Trump wants to do it because it's a very dangerous move that could easily backfire but we need to consider his history. Specifically the first time around when there were stories of him reading Hitler biographies and Mein Kampf. I kind of put those down to just stories but at the same time I have to admit a lot of things he has done over his time in office do smack of Hitler style moves. We used to think he was just a wanna-be crime boss but I think now we have to accept it's more than that. He's not always as dumb as he appears and I think he is following a playbook and that playbook might be heavily influenced by Hitler which means that if he needs to he will go there with martial law if he feels it's the only way he gets what he wants.

[Evolve Dammit]

92. distinct possibility. Insurrection Act or equivalent

[RhapsodyFav]

93. Definitely possible.

I would not put any evil and horrible thing past them.

[alarimer]

98. Probably.

But in all probability, it WON'T be one of us that does it; it will be a looney MAGA type who's been shafted by this. Not that this will matter because Trump and Musk will lie about it and blame us. So it amounts to the same thing.

[Meowmee]

105. I don't think that's why they're doing this. I think this is what they want to do.

But I’m sure they would declare martial law if they can. I don’t think they’re gonna be stopped from doing what they’re doing. A friend of mine thinks it’s going take at least two years probably longer for the court cases etc. Sc can overrule it. We have already seen two judges, letting them fire people and something else.

If it gets to the point where we’re seeing multiple millions of deaths & the total collapse of the economy, I think then we’re going to see something happen, but who knows what. If it’s from illness like Covid it is not going to do much in my opinion, unless it’s a lot of children dying because nobody cares about older people dying even though plenty of younger people died too. We saw what happened with Covid. Nobody on both sides really cared that much. He was never even charged with the crime.

[AntiFascist]

106. We would need to be organized and operate under a "well-regulated" methodology...

the threat of armed defense would be much more effective than any lone wolves or private groups acting violently on their own. I believe that utilizing the Second Amendment against a tyrannical Federal government would require guidance by state governors, once things get to the point where that is required. Not calling for violence, but preparation for the defense of the Constitution would send a strong message.

[Zorro]

109. Let's see what happens in March

If there's no budget agreement the government shuts down (except for essential services). This gives TFA an incentive to cut more government positions, manufacturing more emotional and financial stress on the federal workforce.

If there's no debt limit increase agreement the government defaults on its bonds. This gives TFA the chance to negotiate paying pennies on the dollar for outstanding debt, manufacturing financial stress on individual and state bondholders.

Either or both possible scenarios would cause widespread economic disruption and could drive someone to do something extreme, providing TFA the opportunity to declare martial law.

We are living in interesting times.

[yellow dahlia]

113. I think they have a few disgusting tactics up their sleeves.

Perhaps they will plant instigators at protests, like they did in the summer of 2020. I also believe the anti-Biden/pro Palestine protests were instigated.

Then when things get out of control, they make up all the excuses they need.

I don't know what their tactic will be, but I know they are capable of anything.

[TheFarseer]

117. Interesting idea

However, all Trump’s plans assume he’s the only one that gets to make any moves. Everyone else can only watch in horror.

[Happy Hoosier]

120. Like any rapist....

Trump will keep doing what he wants until he is stopped.

There is no reason or plan to it.

He will just take until he is stopped.