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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIt's good to see protests, but I wonder if the pro-democracy, anti-billionaire framing is right for this moment
I'm glad to see people out there organizing peaceful protests. It's imperative that we can show a groundswell of public dissatisfaction with Trump's policies.
However, I wonder if we're using the right framing. There's certainly nothing wrong with protesting in favor of democracy or against billionaires. The problem I see with this framing though is that a lot of people actually seem to like billionaires. And clearly a lot of people voted on purpose for the shitstorm we're now seeing. In fact, we just ran an entire pro-democracy campaign which was defeated at the polls.
So while I believe that Elon Musk's presence in government is indeed a political weak point in the Trump administration which can be exploited, and while I believe that OBVIOUSLY being pro-democracy is the way to go, maybe we shouldn't be framing these as pro-democracy protests in opposition to billionaire oligarchs. We already ran that campaign and lost. Because after all, America is the land of opportunity, and the myth of the American dream is that anyone who works hard enough can become Elon Musk. We know that is not true, of course, but the myth persists.
So while Musk is running roughshod over the federal government, perhaps we should be EXPLICITLY framing these protests as "pro-Constitution." Because while it's not too difficult to argue against anti-billionaire protests (see: "Why are you so jealous of rich people?") it is much harder -- if not impossible -- to argue against the Constitution. Because the Constitution IS America, and without it, there is no America. And you can't have an American dream without an America.
People who serve this country, all the way up to the president, swear oaths to the Constitution. Now, Trump and Musk are moving to undermine people's belief that the Constitution is a valid document. So I say, well then just come right out and say that. If you don't believe in the Constitution -- if you don't believe in co-equal branches of government, checks and balances, and the rule of law -- then just come right out and say it. Stop using weasel words and say it to our faces.
For decades Republicans all across this land have managed to get people to believe that they -- not Democrats -- are the true guardians of the Constitution. Their actions are now wildly disproving that claim, and they are giving us a massive political opportunity.
We are now the defenders of the Constitution -- against enemies foreign and domestic -- and we should be inviting Republicans to join our peaceful pro-Constitution protests, and stand up for the Constitution. If and when they decline to join, press them on it. Do you still believe that the Constitution is valid? Why won't you stand up and defend the Constitution? If they are office holders, ask them if they disagree with their own oaths of office.
Imagine a massive pro-Constitution march on Washington. It wouldn't have to be overtly politically partisan. It wouldn't even have to mention Trump. The purpose would be to show that hundreds of thousands of people from all across the country are willing to march in support of the nation's founding document. And if you want to attempt to argue against and/or demean that, then please proceed I guess.
If we demonstrate clear support for the Constitution, then it throws a much bigger spotlight onto the clearly anti-Constitutional and un-American actions of Musk and Trump. Bringing the Constitution to the forefront would remind people that without the nation's founding framework, this isn't America any more. It's just a nation of lawlessness and chaos.

Lulu KC
(8,106 posts)Uncle Joe
(61,685 posts)We can tie that to oligarchs in Russia.
The Roosevelts were wealthy but they weren't oligarchs.
Thanks for the thread EarlG
dalton99a
(88,583 posts)PortTack
(35,631 posts)dalton99a
(88,583 posts)yellow dahlia
(2,398 posts)And yes - it is all entertainment and a game to him. Life is not a video game, and neither is government.
dalton99a
(88,583 posts)His personal wealth was made possible by taxpayer subsidies, tax breaks and government contracts.
As far as he is concerned, the purpose of government is to serve Elon Musk and nobody else
yellow dahlia
(2,398 posts)And insult to injury - he cheated when he came here on a student Visa.
Generic hate of successful people can be framed by the other side as pure jealousy, and not the disdain for people who abuse power and trash the Constitution. Obviously, many people who do that have immense great wealth, but not all who have immense wealth act with the same degree of evil. It will ultimately be the Constitution and its defenders who set things right, not the IRS.
alittlelark
(18,987 posts)Im looking to sow division. Out the door now .
orangecrush
(24,639 posts)I'm not worried
Once the real pain sets in, and people start dropping dead like flies, unemployment skyrockets along with prices, they will realize the oligarchs are not their pals.
mopinko
(72,516 posts)itd b 1 thing, the way that stuff is talked about in whispers, if at all, if it werent somehow such a potent wedge w the base.
the plain and simple fact of the matter is that pedos mainly come in 3 flavors- conservatives, cops and clergy. theres a lonnnng list of accused and convicted sex criminals from tsf1.
not to mention that the asshole himself TESTIFIED IN COURT to gang raping to 13 yos w jeffy to escape prosecution.
how did this not sink this whole charade?
i believe its because ppl dont like to look evil in the eye, so they turn away and cling to any shred of doubt they can find. then they move on to the next thing.
we shd b unflinching and steadfast and refuse to shut up about it.
WarGamer
(17,104 posts)Qutzupalotl
(15,350 posts)He thinks we are in a post-Constitutional era. That should have been enough to sink his nomination to OMB director, but here we are.
We live in a sound byte era, and an educational message is unlikely to resonate. Perhaps some remember what the Constitution is supposed to mean, and those people might hear it. But those who slept through Civics are looking for a quick fix that the system can't support, and so are suspicious of the system, including the Constitution.
Blue Full Moon
(2,134 posts)betsuni
(27,896 posts)isn't true (for Republican voters billionaires are firmly in the Us category), or that Americans are very class conscious.
Not at all. This is part of the American character.
Irish_Dem
(69,665 posts)Evolve Dammit
(20,607 posts)bronxiteforever
(10,430 posts)will be built for the richest. I dont think that is going to go down well at all.
yellow dahlia
(2,398 posts)they might someday be part of the billionaire class (1%).
It gives them a sense of allegiance to the RepugliCON party. How that allegiance translates to "no matter what" is a mystery I am trying to unravel. Perhaps confirmation bias and brainwashing are part of the equation.
Irish_Dem
(69,665 posts)Confirmation bias, propaganda, gaslighting, also hatred of people who are not rich.
bigtree
(91,779 posts)...we're essentially seeing federal workers and their communities showing up at these rallies.
That should increase in the weeks ahead as they grow more desperate about their jobs and futures. It's their independent voices which define those protests.
A decentralized movement like this is going to produce the broadest political outreach, essentially encouraging disparate groups to coalesce behind resistance to what affects them, which is a nebulous wave of actions by this administration against essentially blue collar workers.
We all saw Trump line up a deep bench of rich republicans to stand behind him at his inauguration. Then he invited these people who have reaped the lion's share of our tax dollars for their already fat bank accounts, injecting those same wealthy moguls into our government to strip working class Americans jobs away from them.
I can't think of a more jarring rallying point than the gold-plated Trump reaching into struggling families homes to take food out of their children's mouths.
The Constitution is a document. It's not self-actualizing. We need to speak to each other about what our needs are and how our federal government is going to address those.
Trump's entire strategy is to tell Americans that their states are responsible for things our Federal government has been responsive to for decades and decades, like flood relief that Trump is insisting is a state concern, or hurricane relief which he's saying Georgians should expect no help from their president.
We have potential epidemics on the horizon and he's shutting down our disease control and info centers; historically dangerous weather affecting millions around the nation and he's looking to close the National Weather Service...
We need to speak to where people are struggling, and to where their anxieties are growing about a nation that at least pretended in the part to care about the struggles where they live, not just in words someone can distort and manipulate in their interest.
We don't need rhetorical fights with an idiot. We need to speak to where Americans are right now, That will give us our messaging.
WhiskeyGrinder
(24,843 posts)uniformity right now rather than more action is simply going to diminish the efforts people are just starting to make.
GoodRaisin
(10,178 posts)Further, we should be pushing that Musk and DOGE in itself is nothing but a fraud on the American people because no transparency is being offered by Trump/Musk about the so called savings being reported. They can say anything and it will be reported on Fox News but there is no actual proof they have offered that they are doing a damn thing except breaking into government agencies to steal data. Meanwhile, the Republicans are preparing to raise the debt another 2 trillion with an unpaid for tax cut that will only benefit the rich on the backs of working people. I think we have enough to frame around what is happening now that we can talk about those rather than framing a broader argument. Pressure the DOGE process for the bullshit it appears to be and the unconstitutionality of the way it has been rolled out.
eShirl
(19,282 posts)Abolishinist
(2,521 posts)An estimated 24 million people in the United States have been convicted of felony offenses. fRump joined them last year when he was found guilty of falsifying business records to hide a hush money payment and influence a presidential election. Since then, politicians and media alike have described him as a felon and convicted criminal.
Yet his experience of the criminal legal system is clearly an outlier. In the immediate wake of his conviction, his campaign, the Republican National Committee, and an allied fundraising group raised tens of millions of dollars and he continues to have wide support.
Others with past felony convictions, on the other hand, dont have this kind of power. While fRump sells shirts adorned with his mug shot, many legally innocent people are sitting in jail before they even go to trial because they cant afford bail. The criminal legal system is hardly just in its treatment of most peopleparticularly people of colorand far too often extracts guilty pleas even from the innocent. Many prisons are violent, traumatizing places that leave people worse off than they were when they entered. Even long after release, people with prior convictions face stigma, isolation, and difficulty obtaining jobs and housing. Dehumanizing language facilitates their further systemic inhumane treatment, continuing to punish them long after they have served their time.
https://www.vera.org/news/why-we-shouldnt-call-trump-a-criminal
CrispyQ
(39,644 posts)Someone coined that a few weeks ago & it's perfection!
Meowmee
(9,163 posts)Need to step up to the plate. They should be attacking especially elunatic as well as os They should be out there demonstrating too.
Voltaire2
(15,376 posts)Meowmee
(9,163 posts)And they need to fight for democracy too.
Wild blueberry
(7,654 posts)Opens the frame to include our whole country. Thank you for your thoughtful post.
highplainsdem
(55,974 posts)Passages
(2,759 posts)What we are for, our Constitution, and how we fight to preserve it includes money out of politics.
None of this would be happening if not for Citizens United. That decision is written with such complete contempt of our Constitution, we must champion it again, with specific legislation.
Oligarchs are a real and present danger.
Harker
(16,233 posts)There's a lot to protest against.
No to uniformity.
No to inequity.
No to exclusion.
Pinback
(13,213 posts)This country got its start by shaking free of monarchical rule.
Agreed, not all billionaires are bad. Pritzker, Soros, and Cuban are examples of billionaires who dont want autocracy.
Voltaire2
(15,376 posts)aocommunalpunch
(4,461 posts)The billionaires will take notice. Whats it like to live in fear, you ghouls?
bucolic_frolic
(50,324 posts)We needed to run on economic inequality, hard to do when an incumbent. And we needed to demonize Trump's personality. We did in the debate, and then dropped it. If we'd had a second debate we might have carried the election, because VP Harris really took him apart face to face. I think she was viewed as more strident than cerebral. She needed pin stripes not heels. Ugh. THAT ought to get me banned. But we needed to aim at the absolute political middle, small town civic club middle.
et tu
(2,191 posts)but while this discussion goes on
so does the government wrecking ball.
courts must support the constitution
and rule in favor of democracy.
NoSheep
(8,291 posts)Beartracks
(13,882 posts)We should see and hear it everywhere. Like an actually patriotic and substantive version of the rightwinger's moronic "Why won't you wear a flag pin? Don't you support the flag?"
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Clouds Passing
(4,768 posts)yellow dahlia
(2,398 posts)I have been saying the same thing to members of Congress, when I have been writing to them over the course of the last four weeks.
I have been asking them to stand up for - Article 1, Separation of Powers, the Constitution, the Appropriations Clause. I have suggested they shouldn't shy away from a little civics lesson, included in the message of why this is all SO wrong.
I contend the Repugs in Congress are violating their oath to the Constitution, in giving The Grifter in Chief and his Destroyer in Chief (Musk) free "reign". They didn't provide their responsibility of Advice and Consent during the hearings - their part was performative and capitulation.
I like your idea of a protest centered on the Constitution. Absolutely - "without the nation's founding framework, this isn't America any more. It's just a nation of lawlessness and chaos."
misanthrope
(8,740 posts)Dovetails with something I posted this afternoon. I think you're on the right track.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220040912
Autumn
(47,809 posts)because I've been in the hospital. With healthcare that is the envy of the world? Might go broke from this envious plan though.
...get the American people to file a class-action lawsuit against Elon Musk. Try to get 100 million people, more than the votes that Trump received last election. Sue him for 50% of his wealth - about $200 billion dollars.