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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHOLY SHIT! OBAMA IS GOING THERE
He is calling them out! It takes a Village Theme!
still_one
(92,190 posts)Iggy
(1,418 posts)Again, the POTUS doesn't craft and fund legislation.
That would be the job of the deadbeats in Congress.
Not long ago, it took them what? 15 months just to pass a transportation bill which a few years ago took 4-5 weeks?
Please wake up to the fact Congress is a huge problem; they are more or less worthless.
still_one
(92,190 posts)Starts somewhere
Iggy
(1,418 posts)ending prematurely as well.. because congress does not care.
Congress has to be MADE to care again-- and that's going to take a helluva lot of work.
daybranch
(1,309 posts)by getting rid of gerrymandering.
loudsue
(14,087 posts)is the place to start, then gerrymandering will start to turn itself around some.
Iggy
(1,418 posts)The SCOTUS has already ruled on this; campaign contributions are "free speech", remember?
we're not getting the money out of elections-- forget it.
brush
(53,776 posts)Last edited Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:34 AM - Edit history (1)
This could be even more of a "big fucking deal", as Joe Biden would say, if the President is able to get effective gun control legislation passed, even more than the Affordable Care Act. Let's back him up all the way. The country needs this.
Maraya1969
(22,479 posts)he can just issue an official order that certain laws must take effect.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)However it will take a rampage at a yacht club before Republicans give a shit.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)then the Republicans will truly give a shit.
And, I in no way am advocating violence against any persons living or dead.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Funny how the people who can pass legislation to make our schools safer won't even though they themselves are probably the most protected people on the planet while they're at work.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Ineeda
(3,626 posts)the fetuses are killed. Everyone else dying is just fine and dandy. BTW, I try very hard in my life not to hate anyone, never mind an entire group. I'm failing when it come to those assholes.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)but chose not to do them due to the upcoming election campaign.
Nothing that I know of can stophim from dusting them off and executing the orders.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)BucChic
(5 posts)GOOD FOR HIM!!!
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,686 posts)"We can't tolerate this any more."
malaise
(268,987 posts)We are not doing enough for our children.
The fourth time - an endless series of deadly shootings
We can't tolerate them anymore and to end them we must change.
Yes Obama !!!
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)Mr President
banned from Kos
(4,017 posts)President Obama is way too smart to politicize a tragedy like this one.
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,686 posts)Because politics is how it gets done.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)When people howl about "politization", they're talking about exploiting some event for selfish purposes.
But it's perfectly legitimate to get political, even right after a tragedy, to push for action to prevent future tragedies.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)...when they holler "politicization". Another good one is "class warfare." Or "how you gonna' pay for it?" when Republicons' have never balanced a budget in their lives.)
calimary
(81,240 posts)He is OUR President. He may well go down in history as one of our greatest. His years have been marked by a lot of history-making. This was IMPRESSIVE!!!! And courageous as hell!
First thing I thought was - MAN did I get my money's worth out of that last election!
still_one
(92,190 posts)neverforget
(9,436 posts)Skidmore
(37,364 posts)as a price of freedom. Good for him for standing strong. Because this endless killing is too much.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Kahuna
(27,311 posts)But that's just me.
Lex
(34,108 posts)kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)You and your gun nut friends can go suck an egg. Go sell your NRA talking points elsewhere.
RichGirl
(4,119 posts)He's telling THE TRUTH in the most gentle, eloquent way imaginable. You can't just mourn and pray and have a moment of silence. You have to acknowledge our mistakes, what we have learned and what we are going to do different. If that involves politics...oh well...
Kahuna
(27,311 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)Damn all who want to ignore it.
roody
(10,849 posts)up some right wingers like my dad.
humbled_opinion
(4,423 posts)Political posturing by the right wing who want to claim that everything is part of some Obama conspiracy to come after you or have the government come after you and take all your freedom away...
That politicizing is all I see.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)I agree! And the only thing is, the Republicons' won't dare vote against a bill that addresses this situation. And if they do, it's "Bye-Bye" Republicons' in 2014!
Bring it on, Feinstein and PO!
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)He's going to do exactly what is needed: seize the opportunity to address a public health crisis created by the gun manufacturers and their sucker flunkies: he's going to destroy the gun culture that has visited so many senseless massacres upon us, and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)if ya think about it
UndahCovah
(125 posts)Single-handedly, he is going to destroy gun-culture, which is as deeply ingrained in America as anything can possibly be?
ReRe
(10,597 posts)He's "UnAmerican", is he?
UndahCovah
(125 posts)The poster of #47 says that Obama is going to destroy gun-culture in America. I don't see that as being very likely...One man, four years, destroying a culture that has existed since before American independence?
ReRe
(10,597 posts)Seriously, I'm sorry I got the wrong guy. It's helps to address your reply to the right person, huh? Again, sorry...
Flatulo
(5,005 posts)Each gun-owning American that can be convinced, not by scorn and ridicule but by logic and reason, to give up their high capacity magazines and to secure their weapons will be a victory.
Skittles
(153,160 posts)we want to take America back from those paranoid cowards
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-16/ban-on-30-round-gun-magazines-in-connecticut-died-after-pressure.html
Moses2SandyKoufax
(1,290 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)What a work.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)These things are what it's for.
valerief
(53,235 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)We can't have POLITICs that relate to mass child slaughter now, can we? Ahh mean, whad would the naaaybahs say?
sellitman
(11,606 posts)No, how you have responded is politicization.
How he has responded is common sense.
Daily Kos is calling you.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Renew Deal
(81,856 posts)He made the problems clear and stated that he will take power to take action.
bongbong
(5,436 posts)Except repigs & NRA parrots.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)I watched the President's speech, and what was clear was that he as the leader of this nation was responding to this tragedy instead of hiding from it: apparently like some posters on DU.
_ed_
(1,734 posts)After all, why would a politician use politics?
qanda
(10,422 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)They wasted no time politicizing this event -- and all its predecessor events -- by accusing the other side of trying to politicize it.
Gun control is about preventing violence. Acts of violence are the entire reason gun control exists. Therefore, when acts of violence occur, the discussion comes to the fore.
And politics is how Congress decides what action is appropriate in response to a societal need or crisis.
RichGirl
(4,119 posts)Hillary Clinton's book "It take a Village" she says that having a child is like having your heart outside of yor body. I've quoted that many times.
undeterred
(34,658 posts)apocalypsehow
(12,751 posts)ComplimentarySwine
(515 posts)blogslut
(38,000 posts)banning the gun show loophole, banning the sale of assault weapons.
All reasonable, meaningful measures.
ComplimentarySwine
(515 posts)From what I remember during the last assault weapon ban, the guns being sold weren't much different than the guns that were banned. They didn't have a flash hider or bayonet lug, and they didn't have an adjustable stock, but other than that, they seemed pretty functionally identical.
blogslut
(38,000 posts)I am not a gun person.
Flatulo
(5,005 posts)high capacity magazines out of the hands of civilians. 5 rounds should be enough for hunting or home defense.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)Historic NY
(37,449 posts)southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)Kahuna
(27,311 posts)elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)Glimmer of Hope
(5,823 posts)Lex
(34,108 posts)(paraphrase)
Comrade_McKenzie
(2,526 posts)grammiepammie
(59 posts)I love this man. Yes, he did go there and I am so proud of him.
undeterred
(34,658 posts)Yes indeed.
Separation
(1,975 posts)He was gonna go there. He did, expect a rush on guns & ammo in the coming weeks.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)Too bad. We the People are coming for your assault weapons and giant clips.
ComplimentarySwine
(515 posts)If only .01% of gun owners put up a fight, I imagine that there will be blood shed. BTW, I think you meant "magazines" instead of "clips". Don't worry, it's a common mistake to make. Most clips that I'm aware of only hold 8 or 10 rounds or so, as opposed to magazines which are commonly available to hold 30 rounds.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)I'm tired of all of us cowering in fear of you people.
If we have to risk dying to end gun nuttery, count me in.
Separation
(1,975 posts)Your gonna be pretty disappointed when you come crashing through my door and don't find any.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)the door
riverbendviewgal
(4,252 posts)what state
JHB
(37,160 posts)riverbendviewgal
(4,252 posts)what you said scares the heck out of me.
RC
(25,592 posts)Just great, if 300,000,000 guns for 311.6 million people won't stop the gun violence, what is a few hundred thousand more guns on the streets going to do? That's right, make the situation just that much worse. How stupid can people get? No need to answer that, the news story itself answered that question. "...the gun shops are doing a gang buster business the last few days."
Get ready for the "Obama s gonna take yer guns away campaign", brought to you by your NRA.
tilsammans
(2,549 posts). . . Obama's gonna git yer guns, doncha know.
hatrack
(59,585 posts)Unless they're buried, beneath a secret rock, in the woods behind Russell's old room . . .
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)ComplimentarySwine
(515 posts)...that instead of confiscating them door to door (which I imagine will result in several little Wacos all around the country), they will probably try to prohibit manufacturing and sales.
Pholus
(4,062 posts)See, the paranoid break from reality that connects every event with "must arm self" is the problem.
At least this time it hopefully will be warranted. Maybe it will be the LAST rush before sanity returns. However, I predict that despite gunloon howling at the moon what comes out will be common sense and will not needlessly abridge rights that don't deal with public safety.
But thanks for re-emphasizing that the real problem is the gun owners and their nonlinear reactions, not the guns themselves.
nolabear
(41,960 posts)We cannot let darkness win. We cannot let violence, even our own, rule us.
jillan
(39,451 posts)Chorophyll
(5,179 posts)humbled_opinion
(4,423 posts)March in D.C. to show solidarity and support for our President to end this violence once and for all...
Atticus
(15,124 posts)Not the 19th and 20th---too many "attendees" in town. But, the 12th and 13th would be close enough and would give the media enough time to editorialize about it.
OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts)SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)glinda
(14,807 posts)tap tap tap my foot, arms crossed.....
Walk away
(9,494 posts)glinda
(14,807 posts)Unless something changes and the people voted in actually do something. You must remember that over 30-some States are against more gun control basically or interference with their 2nd amendment rights..
brooklynite
(94,535 posts)Would it hurt to provide some specifics?
riverwalker
(8,694 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)members like Dianne Feinstein who want to renew the ban on assault weapons, as well as, move to pass tougher gun control laws.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)OMG, I couldn't believe he went there.
I am sooooo incredibly proud of this man!
Initech
(100,068 posts)I can't help but think how if Mitt Romney were elected how he would've handled this tragedy.
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)Obama would still be president right now.
But I am very very glad that Obama will be president for another 4 years.
Chorophyll
(5,179 posts)I didn't want my son to be afraid. Thanks for watching for me.
riverwalker
(8,694 posts)he kicked in the door
and slapped the NRA in the face
Rhiannon12866
(205,320 posts)avebury
(10,952 posts)democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)I was on the phone and missed it! Can someone fill me in?
rufus dog
(8,419 posts)I was shocked!
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)RichGirl
(4,119 posts)A society is judged by how it treats it's children.
Wow....I guess we have to stop saying WE ARE THE BEST COUNTRY IN THE WHOLE UNIVERSE. We aren't...not even close. And if we have to put armed guards in schools...as some suggest...we are truly pathetic.
ComplimentarySwine
(515 posts)The president gets to have armed guards for his children. If only those children in Connecticut were able to have even a fraction of that level of protection, I imagine that many, if not all, of them would still be with us today.
tawadi
(2,110 posts)Ineeda
(3,626 posts)we should be aware of? Your posts are vile. You obviously care more about your Precious than a room flooded with a river of blood and the body parts of babies, AGES SIX AND SEVEN, for god's sake
Edit for typo.
Vanje
(9,766 posts)Barack_America
(28,876 posts)That's for damned sure.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)He also said "we have bigger fish to fry than recreational pot smokers".
Hopefully dealing with the easy availability of these crazy assault weapons will be one of those fish.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Vanje
(9,766 posts)But I think he is warming up for a great 2nd term.
Teamster Jeff
(1,598 posts)Their talking points are empty and hollow when set next to this speech
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)iandhr
(6,852 posts)hopemountain
(3,919 posts)- time to get assault weapons off the streets and out of people's homes - and out of the hands of felons, persons with mental instabilities and awaaaay from children. and this is only the beginning to addressing the issues of violence in our communities.
calimary
(81,240 posts)Glad you're here! It is indeed time. Call them what they are - weapons of mass destruction. Call their use domestic terrorism. I mean - how does it make you feel, to think about how many people in any given group - might be packing heat? I think about that every time my kid's band goes out on the road. In any average show, in any average crowd, maybe one in ten, on average, might be carrying a gun into that venue? What happens when something suddenly spins out of control?
2naSalit
(86,597 posts)from the look on his face that this had better not happen again, and that he never wants to be speaking at another event like this. He shed a tear or two and was visibly upset by the end of it all, especially when he read aloud the names of 20 children at the end.
And recall that he receives multiple death threats each and every day from the RW violence-mongers... it's not like he doesn't have a clue. He looks ten years older than he did four years ago and that would be one of the primary reasons why.
We need to back him, he has just put the ball back in our court. What we need to do is lean on our more localized alleged representatives and insist they vote in favor of the assault weapons ban and whatever else is appropriate and don't take any placating BS from them either. Be polite but stand your ground... pun intended.
Harry Monroe
(2,935 posts)I will never regret voting for this man!! Never!!
Little Star
(17,055 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Lady Freedom Returns
(14,120 posts)madrchsod
(58,162 posts)to many men ,women,and children have been killed in this country by weapons in the wrong hands, background checks are a joke. anyone can buy any amount of weapons at gun shows with the right amount of cash. weapons are sold to gangs across the country by people who make a living selling death on the streets across the country.
thank god for the american people who voted for a president that feels for the children in this country.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Yes, we can. Deal with it.
ceejdre82
(183 posts)My husband told me that one of his friends at poker recently went to a gun show...this guy is liberal...kind of a hippie... and is not an obnoxious gun owner, just has a few because he lives on a farm. Anyhow, right after he purchased a gun at the gun show, a man came up to him and asked if he wanted some KKK literature. He said he just looked at the man and did not know how to respond, so he said something like "uh, no, how do I know you aren't FBI?" Kind of scary...I am sure he didn't want to piss the guy off in cade he followed him into the parking lot, but how he held back from saying what he really wanted to say is beyond me!
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)It's not usually in your face, but it's always there, and anyone who says otherwise is either willfully stupid or an outright liar.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)still strutting around. He was kind of the epitome of the shit-kickin' good ol' boys and as I recall, most of them nice folk during the day. It really went underground then. I remember the old grainy black-and-white versions. They say he changed his mind, and I'm willing to grant that perhaps sitting in a wheelchair all those years gave him time to reflect, and perhaps repent.
Shining the light of day more fully on the cultural remnants ... the Preppers and such, will continue to put it away.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Every single gun produced and sold in this country will have to have a barrel "fingerprint" on file, and be registered. Its course will be traced from manufacture to destruction, just as we do with cars. Scannable (bar code) GINs (Gun identification numbers) on the weapon, and the profile for any bullet fired through it on file in a CODIS-like database controlled by the FBI. Tampering with the barrel to change the profile will be a (federal) felony with mandatory minimums, since the only reason to tamper with the barrel would be to commit a murder - like owning or making a silencer. Nobody gets into a target firing facility without scanning their weapons. Violator facilities subject to immediate shutdown. No grandfathering of currently existing weapons: any entrance to a target firing facility will require a scan; current guns can be registered and given a scannable GIN - at the owner's expense. Owners of current weapons are free not to have them receive a scan, but they will not be able to use those weapons in target firing facilities unless they receive a GIN.
Not a single gun leaves the shopfloor without contributing its barrel markers to the database - and the gun manufacturers are responsible for paying for that system's development. You sell the gun? You transfer the registration, scan the bar code, and it goes in the federal database. Your privacy concerns are irrelevant: fuck you...it's a matter of public health. Every single sale requires background check and waiting period. Any gun can be tracked to its current owner in seconds on nationally connected computers. The gun manufacturers pay for the system to be developed and implemented. Additional taxes on every gun sale pays for maintenance.
And all that is only for the guns allowed to be sold. Many of today's guns will be prohibited.
That's at a minimum.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)The journey of 10,000 miles begins with the first step. Now, about the penalties???
Brigid
(17,621 posts)I suspect the answer is scary.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)May be it's just my hope, but this speech will go down in history.
Brigid
(17,621 posts)Flatulo
(5,005 posts)I'm not against registration, but any bold action has to have the effect of making these mass killings much more difficult. Registration is actually completely ineffective in stopping crimes, because the police are almost always able to identify the weapons used in crimes.
I would support an immediate ban on the manufacture and possession of any magazine for any weapon with greater than 5 round capacity, and only 2 such magazines may be possessed for any particular weapon.
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)and he's not backing down and I have his back. I will do whatever he nees his 23 million strong tweeters to do.
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)To see how they felt before making the service a call to action.
I am with you - if he makes a push for gun control, which I don't see how he can not after tonight, I've got his back too.
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)MFM008
(19,808 posts)i read it clear as a bell. I believe this was the straw .
llmart
(15,537 posts)for millions of Americans. I want to believe that it was the "straw" for the majority of Americans.
I will do whatever this 63-year old woman can possibly do because MY PRESIDENT asked me to.
I am so proud of my two votes for this man. He is the definition of a true man.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I think he's one helluva POTUS, myself.
Ineeda
(3,626 posts)And I agree -- helluva POTUS, helluva man, helluva human being.
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)I was very proud of our president tonight.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Thank you Mr. President.
tedzbear
(1,963 posts)who has vowed to revive the Federal assault weapons ban. She's got his back!
Myrina
(12,296 posts)This weekend should have been an epiphany that indeed we ARE failing our children. On every level.
Health care, safety, education, nutrition, housing, clothing, environmentally .... this should be POTUS' "a ha!" moment to tell the GOP to take their austerity and shove it up their fiscal cliff. He should go all LBJ "Great Society" on them - for all children, not just the white suburban ones - and refuse to back down.
6502
(249 posts)Last edited Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:27 AM - Edit history (2)
No, WE need to go further....
CrispyQ
(36,462 posts)We have to make it more difficult for mentally disturbed people to get guns. If that means it's more difficult for everyone to get guns, then so be it.
Gun advocates argue that 'guns don't kill people, people kill people,' as a defense to keep from strengthening gun laws. However, these same people don't object to being tested to get a drivers licence & having to renew that license periodically. Why don't they argue that cars don't kill people, people kill people? Cars & guns are both are just tools used by people, but both can also be powerful instruments of destruction.
It shouldn't be easier to get & keep a gun than it is to get & keep a drivers license.
Write, email or call TODAY!
No Compromise
(373 posts)Stop ignoring international law.
Stop acting like bullies around the globe in our war of error.
Stop mindlessly killing innocents wherever we please with drones?
It does take a village, and the rest of humanity is waiting for US to catch up.
pitbullgirl1965
(564 posts)MTE No Compromise. How many children have been killed by drones?