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sop

(18,525 posts)
Wed Feb 19, 2025, 08:36 AM Feb 2025

'These Were Hitler's Plans For The U.S. If He'd Won WWII'

"History is very clear about Hitler's relentless march across Europe and his desire to rebuild under the flag of the Third Reich. But what about across the Atlantic? James P. Duffy, historian and author of "Target America: Hitler's Plan to Attack the United States," says that's a little less clear, and historians have long debated how much Hitler wanted."....

"Adolf Hitler famously wrote 'Mein Kampf,' but less famously, he wrote a second book, too, the very directly-named 'Hitlers Zweites Buch,' or 'Hitler's Second Book.' According to 'Target America: Hitler's Plan to Attack the United States,' the book was written in 1928 but not published until 1961. It outlined a series of three conflicts, and it wasn't until the third one that Hitler got around to the U.S."...

"Hitler's attempts at building his master Aryan race are well documented, and Simms says there's another, oft-overlooked part of that. Hitler developed a theory that one of the richest places to find all that Aryan DNA he was so obsessed with was the U.S.A. — and conquering America meant all new seeds from which his Aryan race could grow."...

"The theory went like this: Over the course of hundreds of years, the U.S. population had been reinforced by immigrants from Europe. They weren't just any immigrants, either — they were the brightest, the strongest, the most adventurous, and the most resilient. They left behind a Europe that was overcrowded, disease-ridden, and famished, headed west, and settled in the U.S. There, they thrived with wide open spaces, and resources of the type only America could offer. And United States laws helped reinforce his ideas about just how pure their blood was: Legislation limited or outlawed immigration from certain areas of Europe — like the Slavic countries — along with interracial marriages. In other words? He saw the U.S. as an invaluable source of genetic material."

https://www.grunge.com/1117249/these-were-hitlers-plans-for-the-u-s-if-hed-won-wwii/

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tanyev

(49,235 posts)
1. Hitler's death: April 1945. Trump's birth: June 1946.
Wed Feb 19, 2025, 09:29 AM
Feb 2025

I never gave much credence to reincarnation before, but the last few years have made me wonder.

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
4. Hitler thought he was a genius but it's been clear for decades now, considering his military moves, ie, his halting...
Wed Feb 19, 2025, 09:45 AM
Feb 2025

his forces at Dunkirk which let the Britsh army escape back to the UK in a flotilla of small boats. His conquest of western Europe would've then been complete.

Instead Hitler, the "I know better than the generals" genius move was followed by his blundering invasion of Russia too late in the year, and then dividing his forces to fight on three fronts, resulting in mass surrenders in the brutal Russian winter.

Hitler was the perfect example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect, but trump's brainpower could fit in a thimble compared to the non-genius Hitler so there's no comparison at all.

So reincarnation IMO...NO.

ITAL

(1,316 posts)
8. I wouldn't say Dunkirk was halting per se
Wed Feb 19, 2025, 10:36 AM
Feb 2025

The Germans had far outdistanced their supply lines and it made sense to regroup and consolidate, especially when they had all of the British and French forces hemmed in. The call obviously appears idiotic given what ended up happening, but I can see how it made sense at the time.

Hitler's call to go all in at Stalingrad, which had little strategic value, was as you said extremely dumb.

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
11. The Brits and French forces were trapped on the beach. Seems keeping the Nazi armored forces there...
Wed Feb 19, 2025, 11:32 AM
Feb 2025

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until the Luftwaffe was positioned to destroy the small boat flotilla makes sense, but of course Hitler 'knew better than his generats'.

Wouldn't have a western European and a Russian front at the same time too.

Botany

(77,267 posts)
13. Stalingrad was the beginning of the end for Hitler and his forces. The German 6th Army was 250,000
Wed Feb 19, 2025, 11:58 AM
Feb 2025

… when the attack on Stalingrad started in July of ‘42 and ended in February of ‘43 with Paulus’
surrender of 90,000 troops of which a total of about 5,000 returned to Germany after the end of
the war. The Soviet Union began to roll back the Nazis after the battle of Stalingrad all the way
to Berlin in the Spring of 1945. Although with massive help from the allies too.


Hitler’s Generals were against his splitting up his forces of his Army Group South and going
right onto the Soviet oil fields in the Caucuses Regions because they knew a modern military
ran on oil but Hitler ignore them. Although it is highly doubtful that would have worked because
the supply lines would have been too long.

bmichaelh

(1,172 posts)
12. Mussolini also died in April 1945
Wed Feb 19, 2025, 11:39 AM
Feb 2025

Some of Mussolini's mannerisms are similar to Trump's.

Says something outrageous and terrible; then crosses his arms while he gauges the response of his audience.

sop

(18,525 posts)
5. He didn't have much of a plan.
Wed Feb 19, 2025, 10:06 AM
Feb 2025

"Hitler definitely had his eye on the U.S.: Although The National Interest calls the Nazi attempt at building a bomber that could cross the Atlantic an idiotic waste of resources, the idea behind building something literally called the Amerikabomber means that the U.S. was on the sort of list that no one wants to be on. And that, says Duffy, was just part of it. In 1941, the Nazi regime started planning for a postwar world. First and foremost, that meant a massive navy with hundreds of submarines, anchored by 25 battleships and 150 destroyers."

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
7. A massive navy... not well thought out as the US is nearly 3000 mile wide...
Wed Feb 19, 2025, 10:16 AM
Feb 2025

once you leave the east coast so unless that navy turns inot troops and tanks...dumb.

Kid Berwyn

(24,299 posts)
3. The War Against the Weak
Wed Feb 19, 2025, 09:37 AM
Feb 2025
Eugenics and the Nazis -- the California connection

by Edwin Black
Sunday, November 9, 2003

Hitler and his henchmen victimized an entire continent and exterminated millions in his quest for a so-called Master Race.

But the concept of a white, blond-haired, blue-eyed master Nordic race didn't originate with Hitler. The idea was created in the United States, and cultivated in California, decades before Hitler came to power. California eugenicists played an important, although little-known, role in the American eugenics movement's campaign for ethnic cleansing.

Eugenics was the pseudoscience aimed at "improving" the human race. In its extreme, racist form, this meant wiping away all human beings deemed "unfit," preserving only those who conformed to a Nordic stereotype. Elements of the philosophy were enshrined as national policy by forced sterilization and segregation laws, as well as marriage restrictions, enacted in 27 states. In 1909, California became the third state to adopt such laws. Ultimately, eugenics practitioners coercively sterilized some 60,000 Americans, barred the marriage of thousands, forcibly segregated thousands in "colonies," and persecuted untold numbers in ways we are just learning. Before World War II, nearly half of coercive sterilizations were done in California, and even after the war, the state accounted for a third of all such surgeries.

California was considered an epicenter of the American eugenics movement. During the 20th century's first decades, California's eugenicists included potent but little-known race scientists, such as Army venereal disease specialist Dr. Paul Popenoe, citrus magnate Paul Gosney, Sacramento banker Charles Goethe, as well as members of the California state Board of Charities and Corrections and the University of California Board of Regents.

Eugenics would have been so much bizarre parlor talk had it not been for extensive financing by corporate philanthropies, specifically the Carnegie Institution, the Rockefeller Foundation and the Harriman railroad fortune. They were all in league with some of America's most respected scientists from such prestigious universities as Stanford, Yale, Harvard and Princeton. These academicians espoused race theory and race science, and then faked and twisted data to serve eugenics' racist aims.

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Traitor Trump dehumanizes non-whites in order to establish his own wrinkly and pimpled ass as somehow superior due to its pigmentation.

themaguffin

(5,207 posts)
6. I saw a documentary on his second book on I guess the History Channel years ago. It was chilling.
Wed Feb 19, 2025, 10:11 AM
Feb 2025
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