As I watch what that MOTHERFUCKER is doing, I keep going back to Merrick Garland

[Stinky The Clown]

Was he overly deliberate?

~or~

Was he cowardly?

~or~

Was he complicit?

The first two are pathetic. The third is/should be criminal. And if the third, how much was his personal benefit.

While I posit the third, I want it to be only the second - cowardice.

Thoughts?

[LuvLoogie]

1. This is a law professional of the highest caliber.

He got the result he wanted.

[brush]

51. Agreed. He knew what he was doing...to footdrag and delay, delay, delay until trump got off completely...

AFTER TRYING TO OVERTHROW THE GOVERNMENT.

[gab13by13]

2. All 3

[RockRaven]

3. Biden & Co did not behave like people who knew that the landscape had changed

and they needed to change their decision-making processes to deal with that fact. It wasn't one person. It was the lot of them.

[malaise]

43. Ding ding

That is the sad truth

[Blue Full Moon]

50. On purpose, financial sector at work.

[Yavin4]

65. Like the movie, "No Country for Old Men".

The Biden admin couldn't grasp that the modern political world had changed on them.

[Seeking Serenity]

4. Why didn't Biden just issue him a direct order?

Prosecute now or be fired. (So yeah, I do apportion some blame to the Biden WH)

[Maru Kitteh]

6. Are you serious? I really want to know if you think presidents should use the DOJ that way.

[Seeking Serenity]

13. Do you believe that an executive-branch agency is or should be wholly independent of the chief executive?

When was the DoJ made as a constitutionally separate arm of government over which the president has no say?

[kelly1mm]

33. President Trump loooooooooooooooooves your answer! (not that I don't agree with you) nt

[Maru Kitteh]

61. Cash Patel is right up your alley then. That is precisely the kind of LE/DOJ tool you advocate. nt

[questionseverything]

78. A president demanding of his ag that illegal behavior is prosecuted

Is totally different than a president and his aj making up laws and bs for their own personal gain

[Silent Type]

8. Maybe Biden knew the result would be bad for Democrats.

[Seeking Serenity]

12. And yet, here we are

[Silent Type]

15. Exactly, we chased trump all over the country with indictments, etc. Yet, he still was doing well in polls.

Maybe too many people just didn't like the optics of that. He used the failures in court as "evidence" he was innocent.

We should have run against trump all 4 years, outside of court. Biden should have performed an "audit" of agencies under trump. We should have had a Democratic Project 2025. Instead we ran against trump as a crook and enough voters did not care.

[Seeking Serenity]

17. I like what you say

[tirebiter]

26. Ethics, morals, law. That's the trifecta.

[tirebiter]

32. Ethics, morals, law. That's the trifecta.

[True Dough]

80. If you posted that response one more time,

you could have truly achieved a trifecta of your own!

[NoMoreRepugs]

5. What difference does it make? Stop with what might have been. It serves no purpose.

[DaBronx]

28. Well not so fast

We have to learn from history in order not to repeat.

[Wifes husband]

77. I agree

We need to understand that this is where we are. Recriminations will not accomplish anything.

[Silent Type]

7. Maybe he knew voters wouldn't care about trump's fraud, rapes, racism/bigotry, etc. Hell, even our hero Smith wimped

out at end by saying he and other prosecutors didn't charge trump with insurrection, inciting riots, etc., because they didn't think they could win.

The most important court was on Nov 5, and we lost.

[JohnSJ]

14. No, the one's who are the traitors are those who refused to vote for VP Harris. If you are looking for a scape goat,

that is where the blame goes. The fucking voters who refused to vote for Harris by either not voting, voting third party, or voting for the sociopath.

Trump told you exactly what he was going to do, and they still didn't vote for Harris in the numbers needed.

They did the same thing in 2016 when Garland wasn't there, and frankly much of the same groups also did it in 2000.

You can throw as much blame as you want on one or two individuals, but the truth is it was the STUPIDITY of much of the American populace that caused this disaster that we are all going to pay for.

[Seeking Serenity]

16. Blaming the electorate has worked so well for us

Maybe if we just insult them harder, THEN they'll come around to agreeing with us.

Maybe my son is correct.

[JohnSJ]

19. For god sakes it is the voters. They knew what trump was in 2016 and 2024

He was a racist, sexist and bigot. He didn’t hide it and they didn’t care. They didn’t care about his involvement in January 6th either.

As for insulting them, you are damn right I will insult them, because they will get exactly what they deserve. Unfortunately those of us who were well aware what the stakes were will be part of that disaster.

But I will not shed one tear for anyone who refused to vote for Harris. They deserve every misfortune that befalls them, and it will happen just like it did in Italy and Germany in the 30’s unless something unexpected pushes back.

I don’t care whether they agree with me or not. Are they that immature that if they don’t get everything they want they will take their marbles and walk away.

We have the Supreme Court we have today because of their stupidity, and the country is run by billionaires.

I don’t have to convince them of anything. If they rejected VP Harris over trump, there is something very wrong with them because obviously having a sexist, racist, bigot who tried to overthrow our government in 2020, and that didn’t bother them enough to vote for Harris.

[kelly1mm]

34. Berating the electorate, even if justified, is not a viable strategy for electoral success. nt

[Bettie]

37. So, should we be talking about how great and noble it is

to be filled with hate toward anyone who isn't white and male (and of the chosen religion)?

[kelly1mm]

38. No. However we should look at why after 4 years of President Trump, Jan 6, multiple incitements, 34

felony convictions and Democratic officials shouting at the top of their lungs that President Trump was a threat to democracy, Democratic messaging and/or policies were such a turn off in 2024 that we did not increase our vote share IN ONE SINGLE COUNTY from what we got in 2020.

Start there .........

Or just continue to call the electorate stupid and see how that works out .......

[Omnipresent]

84. We had RBG cancer plagued and refusing to retire..

Then we had RBG quietly dying, and leaving us in a bad predicament.

[JohnSJ]

90. It is too bad that people conveniently forget that it was McConnell who

denied Obama’s SC appointment, and there is nothing to suggest he would not have blocked any SC appointment from Obama. He would have. It is a false argument that it is all because of RGB.

The bottom line is everyone with half a brain knew the SC was at stake and yet this self-identified progressives refused to vote for Hillary by either not voting or voting third party.

In every critical swing state Hillary lost by less than 1%, while Jill stein received 1% of the vote in those critical swing states. It didn’t take much.

In the end the problem wasn’t , RBG, AG Garland, or Gore, it was the stupidity of those who proclaimed there was no difference between Democrats and republicans, or that the SC didn’t matter, or that they were tired of “voting for the lesser of the two evils”. Their contribution to eventually giving us trump should never be under estimated, and the fact that they kept repeating the same foolish mistake 3 times, 2000, 2016, and 2024, with two of those times contributing to putting someone who tried to overthrow our government on January 6th, and still have no regret for not voting for Hillary in 2016. Nina Turner, David Sirota, Brianna Joy Gray, etc.are poster children because they went out of their way every chance they had to undermine Hillary, and encourage others to either vote third party or not vote at all.

[Omnipresent]

94. You forgot to mention climate change as well.

Must you leave that out!

[Skittles]

31. they voted for a multi-felon con man rapist who TRIED TO OVERTHROW THE GOVERNMENT

WTF are we SUPPOSED to think about them?

[Seeking Serenity]

45. That maybe they had concerns that were not the ones that others demanded that they must have?

[Skittles]

46. LOL

well we have lot more CONCERNS now, thanks to them, including NATIONAL SECURITY

Stupid fucking ASSHOLES

[Melon]

39. We ran a wrong candidate

Literally not voted in and she did poorly in 2020. Yet we were shocked. Stop blaming electorate and look at ourselves or the same will happen again in 4 years.

[brush]

54. Wrong. The wrong candidate, unfortunately, was Biden. He should've steped down an turned it over...

for Democratic primary. He was being beaten up for being too old his whole term, even later night comics and SNL were constantly joking about it and that influence theri audiences' votes.

And btw, Harris ran a near-flawless campaign and was clearly the superior candidate than the lying criminal. I think Musk and his money has a lot to do with the vote outcome.

[Melon]

73. I'll disagree there.

We ran a candidate who was first out in 2020 and had bad stage presentation Didn’t answer question nor articulate a point. If flawless is losing more support after every major public appearance….the party can and must do better. That’s my opinion and I’ll of course get flagged, but we can find better for the future. We can keep trying to run previous failures. The entire nation wants a young articulate president.

[brush]

74. Did you not get that I said Joe should've stepped down for a Dem primary in 2020?

And again, the Dem convention set a new standard on how to stage an entertaining convention. VP Harris, again ran a near- flawless campaign. She handily beat the lying orange turd in their debate.

I still say no way she lost all the battleground states. Musk money and tech resources had a lot to do with the criminal 'winning'.

[Melon]

75. Huhhhh....avoiding difficult decision puts us right back....

Flawless….

Joe was carrying one of the lowest approval ratings of any sitting President.
“ is there anything you would have handled differently from Biden….”
“ Not a thing….” Harris

I’m lost on flawless. If we have flawless and lost every single swing state…we need to somehow find better than flawless. There are strong people in the party that need to be front and center and new contenders like Mark Cuban. We set ourselves up for round two when we run proven losing candidates. Bernie…Hillary…Harris. We have what doesn’t work figured out.

[Polybius]

89. Look at the polls the day before the election

She was not ahead in any of the swing states. Too many here expressed extreme overconfidence.

[JohnSJ]

10. While I have issues with Garland and his mishandling and delays in the prosecution of trump, I am much more angry at

those who either voted for the sociopath, refused to vote for VP Harris, or didn't even bother to vote.

THAT IS THE REASON WE ARE HERE TODAY.

The sociopath told you exactly what he was going to do, and those IDIOTS refused to vote for VP Harris in spite of that.

No one should be surprised at what is happening, from labor who split the vote between Harris and the sociopath, Latinos who split the vote between Harris and the sociopath, the pro-Palestinian protesters who refused to vote, the joe rogan fan boys, and the women who didn't come out in the numbers that were expected like in 2020.

but as is often repeated here, FAFO.

Obviously my concern goes for those of us who did everything we could to protect our democracy by voting for VP Harris. For the rest, fuck you.

NO ONE SHOULD BE SURPRISED AT WHAT IS HAPPENING. This was all predictable. trump told you what he was going to do, and some are no crying ignorance. It isn't ignorance when some one tells you exactly what they are going to do, and you still vote for them. IT IS STUPIDITY.

[DaBronx]

29. And

Ignorance
Also, a fellow DUer rightly called Garland Merrick the Meek. It seemed to fit. Perhaps he will redeem himself in a tell all book.

[bucolic_frolic]

11. He and Biden belong and understand an old, gentlemanly Washington

Where truth was truth, law was law, men kept their word, patriots were patriots. These commodities have been gradually eroded over the last 45 or so years. This mess didn't just fall out of an airplane. Carter, and Obama in particular, stuck to the truth. Biden did too, but MAGA was so entrenched, and most of the GOP Congress supported them. In January 2021, that was the point when rule of law needed assertion. GOP must have seen opportunity when Dems were assessing the political winds instead.

[RhapsodyFav]

27. I'm a progressive Democrat

but I always can't get over the fact that the Democratic party keeps using marquis of queensberry rules to the dirty lying street dog tactics the Republicans employ. Rump is literally trying to invite Russia to invade the country. If we are allowed to vote in two the Democrats need to start running media now since the MSM isn't putting Rumps illegal actions on blast.

[bucolic_frolic]

44. Agree with all of that.

Trump has us standing down as far as Russia is concerned.

[republianmushroom]

49. Yup, you nailed it.

[Bluetus]

18. The question answers itself

The entire government has collapsed into the Trump black hole. Of course it was deliberate.

Now, maybe you are asking was it Garland's choice. Probably not. It was certainly his choice to not do the right thing. But doing the wrong thing might have been by choice or by cowardice. We'll probably never know. His actions were 100% deliberate and intentional. There can't be any question about that. Just as with Mueller.

Smith seems a little different to me. Ultimately he made strategic choices that were doomed, and as a layperson, they seemed like really poor choices all along to me. But I can see how a person in Smith's position was just going "by the book" and lacked an appreciation for how many forces were aligned against the path he was taking. And in reality, even if Smith had taken the much faster and more direct routes to significant convictions and sentences, there was every likelihood that the SCOTUS would have blocked that. Nonetheless, IMHO, it was a blunder to pursue the kitchen sink strategy. He should have taken the simplest path to a meaningful conviction and forces the SCOTUS to face the crisis of their own making.

[orangecrush]

21. I'm with you

[bigtree]

20. really? What fucking good does that do anyone?

...It's nothing but dragging on the people who prosecuted Trump.

Perversely, you're pushing this here at the SAME TIME Trump is ragging on the people who prosecuted him and his co-conspirators who rioted. The same people you pretend weren't prosecuting him. Over 25 prosecutors and as many investigators at DOJ.

People who are being defended against ad-hoc attacks by the Trump administration by advocates on this very Democratic message board.

I think this screed against Garland is not only false, but helps do nothing as we advocate against Trump and republicans but feather this phony projection.

It manifests as nothing but a distraction from what we're doing right now, a diversion. It's a wonder you believe this represents some kind of advocacy against Trump, bashing the people who prosecuted him.

[Bluetus]

23. What ARE we doing right now?

I don't see ANY organized effort from the Party. I see some efforts from grass roots organizations.

The issue is that the people in the Beltway are almost all complicit because almost all of them depend on that corporate money. They are paid to achieve the same outcome, regardless of party. They just play different roles in the kabuki theater.

[bigtree]

24. you're right here where folks are posting that daily

...me, prolifically.

But let's not just project things which aren't in their power, all to complain there's no organization akin to something you'd expect to see if they had control of hearings, or even Capitol hearing rooms, in the minority.

The Democrats have been out almost daily informing and advocating, and their efforts can usually be found right at their Capitol websites, especially the leadership.

Right now, most of them are attending their respective committees to vote and hopefully influence the republican legislation coming to the floor for a vote in the reconciliation bill, and the budget bill that precedes it.

But let's not pretend they have more power to change this around than the political action we're advantaged with this site to promote from the only pov that matters when we vote again.

[Bluetus]

40. When you can't control hearings, improvise

Propose a bill that will cut every 130-year-old woman off Social security and take the trillions of dollars of savings to give everyone on Social Security a 25% increase.

Take the trillions of dollars of fraud that Elon found in Medicare and use that to bring everyone age 55-64 under Medicare.

Then get every Democrat out there talking up those bills.

It is called Jujutsu -- using the other guy's momentum AGAINST him.

Democrats need to be about 1000X smarter about these things.

[thebigidea]

41. probably does the same as defending Merrick Garland: absolutely nothing

[Stinky The Clown]

58. did I miss something? Who exactly prosecuted Trump? I must've missed that.

Oh, I know maybe you’re talking about the people who thought about prosecuting Trump how brave of them

[bigtree]

59. you missed the election

Last edited Thu Feb 20, 2025, 06:18 PM - Edit history (1)

...and you attacked the people prosecuting Trump instead of the judges and maga Supreme Court justices who delayed a trial FIFTEEN MONTHS AFTER CHARGES WERE BROUGHT.

You have to normalize that atrocity to start blaming the prosecutors.

Or, just ignore the judges and justices who DELAYED A TRIAL FOR FIFTEEN MONTHS AFTER CHARGES WERE BROUGHT.

They're still there, and Garland is gone, but here you are bashing the prosecutors who were fighting IN COURT right before we voted, including Tom Windom who was collecting evidence since 2021 and defending it in court right up until voters pulled the rug put from under the prosecution.

And it's really something to pretend the Garland did something wrong as he not only collected almost ALL of the evidence in the indictment, but fought for years in myriad, successive courts, up to the Supreme Court, on HUNDREDS OF INDIVIDUAL APPEALS on evidence, testimony, and challenges of privilege.

You wouldn't have the testimony of the top Trump officials to the grand jury if GARLAND's team hadn't successfully fought for over a year to remove the client attorney and other executive privileges from Pence, Meadows, as well as others who were listed as co-conspirators in the indictment.

YOU'D HAVE LESS THAN ZERO WITHOUT THE EFFORTS OF MERRICK GARLAND AND HIS PROSECUTORS.

Without Merrick Garland, you would not have a multi-felony, multi-count indictment for election fraud STILL SITTING THERE waiting for Trump to shed the protection of the presidency. As Jack Smith's report said, only a 'small amount' of evidence from the Jan.6 committee investigation and hearing was used in the indictment. That's in a footnote right there in the Smith report.

Without Merrick Garland there would be no fucking indictment... and it's really just handy, isn't it? Handy that you can go on and on about how it failed, how it was thwarted, without bothering to mention, not ONE FUCKING MENTION of the actual judges and justices WHO DELAYED AN INDICTMENT FROM TRIAL FIFTEEN MONTHS AFTER IT DROPPED!

Really fucking impressive, Stinky.

[Stinky The Clown]

62. What's "really fucking impressive" to Stinky is how Garland's delays . . . .

. . . . . allowed the election to give MOTHERFUCKER the ability to end things.

Had Garland appointed Smith far, far, FAR sooner . . . . . . what might have been.

Fuck the "Saint Merrick" bullshit.

[bigtree]

63. nothing like lying to justify bashing the people prosecuting Trump

...you don't read the report.

Jack Smith pointed to the appeals which we all saw delay the trials.

You're pointing to something you and a handful of million dollar salaried teevee journos, Carol Leoning, and Glen fucking Thrush claimed and all of the Garland whingers who evidently can't be counted on to support anyone prosecuting Trump repeated.

There wasn't any fucking delay by DOJ. The delay, Stinky, was in the way Trump friendly judges hearing appeals and challenges on evidence Garland's team collected since 2021 stretched out what became HUNDREDS of individual appeals and challenges to thousands of pieces of evidence and testimony.

You should have more sense than to spread this absurd prattle those moneyed journos gaslighted you with about a Garland delay.

You should be even more alert to people diverting you from the REPUBLICAN JUDGES AND JUSTICES who delayed a trial FIFTEEN MONTHS AFTER CHARGES WERE BROUGHT.

You can spend your time advocating against the republican judges and justices who ARE STILL THERE (many appointed by Trump, himself) waiting in the wings to complete their treason, shielded in part from scrutiny by our crack internet fantasy prosecutors prattling on about Garland delaying something of his OWN investigation and prosecution.

I wonder... are you actually able to advocate for the Garland prosecutors who are under attack by the Trump DOJ for doing the work you pretend didn't happen? Or is it too much of a contradiction with the demagouging against those same prosecutors to broach that advocacy against the republican DOJ which is threatening them with prosecution for doing what you claim they did not.

Maybe you can write a letter to the court explaining that the Garland investigation and prosecution didn't really mean what they said... thousands of times under oath; didn't actually do what was in the Smith report.

I mean, folks bashing Garland for three years, even after he handed the case to Smith, did so much in the way of informing the public about the crimes pursued, and the actions taken, right?

Hell, EVERY post about the prosecution was filled with diversionary projections from imaginations about Garland - but not Trump, not the case, just Garland.

And there wasn't just legal considerations at stake. This is a political site. But you'd only find one or two people with enough temerity to stand up against the useless, uniformed, misinforming prattle, and tell people here what was happening.

Nothing else, I guess, but to turn on the lady who chose Sarah Palin to run with McCain to watch her do NOTHING BUT run down the prosecution. Every fucking day.

I get the erstwhile republican ignoring the politics, but this was supposed to be some boffo political strategy, to cheer lead AGAINST Trump's prosecutors????

Forgive me if I pass on that political brilliance.

[Stinky The Clown]

64. blah blah blah CALL ME A LIAR blah blah blah

Just call me catnip!

hehehehe




serious question: do you have these long refutations stored as macros or do you cut and paste from some library? Really, I can't believe you expend the energy to write them anew each of the 8,726 time you've posted like this before

[bigtree]

66. that's the long and short of the evidence people bashing the prosecutor bring to the table

...nothing but ridicule and disdain on the people prosecuting Trump.

NEVER a word about the judges and justices who held up a trial FOR FIFTEEN MONTHS, 'AFTER' CHARGES DROPPED.

Not an fucking word about Roberts, Alito, Thomas, none of the maga justices who held their decision until just before we voted (right as Democrats were pushing Joe Biden out of the race and dooming our chances in November).

I'm old enough to remember Jack Smith's revised charges where he attributed blame in that document for the Capitol riot to Donald Trump as part of his indictment. That's Garland.

Almost ALL of the evidence collected in the indictment was Garland; all of the testimony from top Trump officials, adjudicated because of Garland and made available to the grand jury. All of the extraordinary number of appeals and challenges cited in the Smith report as the reason for the delays were successfully fought by Garland's team, all the way through Smith's term.

But you will reach across all of the evidence available to parrot prattle from the paid teevee punditry who had zero access to the details of the investigation or prosecution that weren't court documents or court activity.

Let's see. Should we believe people playing the fantasy internet prosecutor game, or should we believe the Special Counsel who actually worked on the case who blamed the extraordinary amount of appeals for the delays.

I mean, Stinky, we ALL saw the Supreme Court delay the HEARING on the appeal FOR THREE MONTHS, in the time a trial could be held, and even further after they held that hearing to make an anti-constitutional decision.

Not a word about the perps obstructing with frivolous appeals which were entertained as legitimate by republican judges who diddled for months, sometimes a year before rejecting obvious stalling tactics by the defense and defense witnesses.

It's really convenient to take a prosecution that was openly and deliberately obstructed by the highest court in the land, and then bash the prosecution for not overcoming that interference by the maga court and others, as if they had some kind of magic powers to set court dates.

It's really disgusting to see people drafting their bashing of people who were prosecuting Trump, off of what those maga judges and justices did to delay the trial until we voted - all without a word about the REPUBLICANS advantaging the PERPS; the ones who actually delayed the investigation, prosecution, and trial.

Can you imagine one of those justices coming across one of these Garland posts? They'd be incredulous at their success in deflecting scrutiny from their OWN treasonous interference in the prosecution of the man who tried to overturn our presidential election and fomented a riot against the Capitol, onto the prosecutors.

Hell, Trump's DOJ is finishing off that job as we speak with Kash Patel gathering up all the names of investigators and prosecutors for the investigation and prosecution you claim didn't happen.

[bigtree]

67. and, by the way

...I can fucking write the shit out of any subject I'm well-versed in, right off of the top of my head, smarty.

I'm fucking brilliant that way. I know it burns sometimes.

You should appreciate that, and not try to deride this 64 year old black man for giving you intelligent responses instead of clipped, derisive prattle.

What a small view of the world and the people in it to suppose that someone can't communicate what they know well, to you, extemporaneously.

[Stinky The Clown]

68. Age and Race???????? YOU LOSE

Buhbye

[bigtree]

69. I don't lose shit by your idiotic attempts to belittle me

...you can pretend you're talking to a computer screen, but I want you to know who you're attempting to belittle.

I demand people attacking my intelligence or character face me with their derision, and will make clear just who they are speaking to, not just who they think I am.

I'm sharp as a wit, and I can outwrite or outthink ANY of the people who thought it was some kind of justice fighting, or political brilliance, or courage to attack the people prosecuting Trump, all the while refusing to talk about the republican judges and justices who actually delayed the trial.

I'm not intmidated by your ridicule. I think it's just stupid and sad. And I'm no stranger to people displaying their own ignorance as they try to demean me.

And I'm not buying that you turned me off. You heard what I said to you.

I'm a 64 year-old black man who can write the shit our of anything I'm well versed in. I take the time to read and learn about the things I speak about. You may not what to hear this, but I want you to hear this. I want you to remember this.

You may not care about my race, my intelligence, or my identity, but you asked for it.

[Stinky The Clown]

70. I said it above: "buhbye"

[bigtree]

71. lol

...more like,

[Meowmee]

22. I don't know but he delayed for forever etc. that is so obvious

It wasn't just him. B also said in the campaign he would not be going after op, I thought at the time it was a campaign tactic to get votes etc. Those were his biggest mistakes imo. Appointing MG and not doing everything possible to get rid of op. It was obvious he would run again and that this crazy ass country would allow it because there are no rules/laws to stop it...and it is a well known fact you can't rely on the bat shit crazy. ignorant, self absorbed, delusional, narcissistic and hateful parts of the electorate here, you can take that to the bank.

For instance if there were any rules in place such as felons can't run for office/the presidency that would be the end of it. In his first campaign, op was inciting violence, and yet nothing was done, he could have been stopped then as well, instead the media gave him hours of free coverage and helped a fascist take power.

[LeftInTX]

25. We shoulda just had a despot who hauled his ass

on day 1

[skydive forever]

30. Complicit, no. Cowardly, absolutely.

History will not see him in a positive light. Do I hear Neville Chamberlin?

[moondust]

35. Don't know why but...

IMO the most important job he had in those FOUR YEARS was to do all he could to keep the chief insurrectionist/coup plotter from ever getting into the Oval Office again--knowing if he failed the traitor would be eligible again in 2024.

Looks like Brazil is doing a better job with TSF imitator Bolsonaro.

Wed 19 Feb 2025: Bolsonaro indictment leaves Brazil’s tropical Trump staring at prospect of jail

The ex-president faces charges of a murderous conspiracy while his US counterpart has surged back to power
~
...If convicted, the 69-year-old politician could face a jail sentence of more than 40 years.
~

[LeftInTX]

36. Brazil throughs everyone in jail. Even Lula was impeached and thrown in jail.

It's a crazy cycle, but it seems that's how they do business down there.

[C0RI0LANUS]

42. We can't do much about it now, but perhaps learn a lesson.

This 2022 Op-Ed below suggests that Merrick Garland's appointing a Special Counsel with a broad mandate was the mistake, rather than just letting the DOJ simply prosecute Trumpf as a regular citizen. Plus, Jack Smith was delayed returning from the Hague where he prosecuted war criminals for the ICC and was recovering from an injury. Timing hurt the prosecution.

Footnote: I have heard Trumpf scorn many names, like Jack Smith or Letitia James, but not Merrick Garland. Biden did not grant Merrick Garland or Jack Smith a presidential pardon.



Sources:

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/merrick-garland-trump-special-counsel-jack-smith-blunder-rcna58280

https://www.justice.gov/pardon/pardons-granted-president-joseph-biden-2021-present

[ScratchCat]

47. I'll keep saying this again and again

Given the totality of the facts of the situation of the classified documents - that he intentionally took them, they were about foreign countries, many were of the highest level, he refused to give them back and then obstructed DOJ - and considering that while he had these in his possession foreign nationals and known spies visited the location of these files - Joe Biden had authority under The Patriot Act to designate Donald Trump and enemy combatant who intended on selling classified documents to foreign actors and have him detained to Gitmo where he would have been held indefinitely and interrogated. But this would have made his fan club mad for a few weeks, so they just let him be President again instead of putting him in prison for crimes not even in dispute.

Way to go!!! The country is over. Hope everyone who could have stopped this is happy. Thanks!!

[questionseverything]

81. The classified documents case was open and shut

I don’t agree on the gitmo idea but a regular supermax would do

[republianmushroom]

48. 49 months and counting

1st and 3rd IMO.

[returnee]

52. See how fast TSF and team has moved.

Just sayin’.

[Wicked Blue]

53. He belongs to the Federalist Society

He was following orders

[usonian]

55. Our former presidents seem to be taking Garland's Rope-a-Dope approach

to the destruction of the country.

Duck, stay silent and "Let him punch until hs passes out"

Sting like a butterfly, fly like a bee.

Actions count. So does inaction.

[moniss]

56. If you or I worked for the government

and took boxes and boxes of classified documents home the government wouldn't have "asked" for them in the first place. The FBI would be heavily armed and outside our door in haste. If they found out we hid stuff from their search we would be in handcuffs immediately and in court in short order.

Acting like this had to be some deep process was BS from the beginning. National Security was at stake and a rapid response, like they have done to others, was called for. The minute the Archives notified Justice they should have moved for an immediate warrant for all properties and immediately mobilized the Florida and New Jersey offices to immediately act upon the warrants.

[in2herbs]

57. This scenario I've posted about already. Not saying it's what happened, only saying it has plausability.

When MG and his staff reviewed the stolen docs from Mar-a-Lago he could have appointed a Special Counsel right away because any lawyer in good standing in the country can be appointed Special Counsel. But MG did not do that. Instead he chose a lawyer from The Hague/ICC, Jack Smith. Is that because what MG read in the stolen documents established a world-wide criminal conspiracy, not just F47s stolen documents?? Could the "delay" that is being attributed to MG be due to the ICC's investigative process????

Foreign news sources include the ICC's investigative relationship with members of the Rome Statute. By taking down criminal actors in their own countries Loon, F47 and others may get caught up in their web.

Do not rely on US media for information.

[SKKY]

60. Ultimately it came down to the fact that Garland brought a knife to a gun fight...

...and he got outplayed and outmaneuvered. I remember him saying something like "We have to get this right". He didn't.

[Daleuhlmann]

72. I Vote for Numbers 2 and 3

I thnk Garland, being an instututionalist, was both too deliberate and too cowardly. I'd never wanted him for A G to begin with: my choice would have been former U. S. Senator from GA Doug Jones.

[DJ Synikus Makisimus]

76. Biden could have fired him, but he didn't.

Let that cook your noodle.

[JohnSJ]

82. and the majority of the American populace should have voted for VP Harris but didn't.

let that cook your noodle.

There was no mystery what trump was going to do, he told everyone during the campaign, and when he occupied the WH in 2016, the mismanagement of a pandemic, and his involvement in January 6th.

What did people think he was going to do if he won the WH again?

In other words they are getting exactly what they voted for, or didn’t vote for.

[DJ Synikus Makisimus]

93. In 2024 Trump picked up about 3 million votes over his 2020 total,

while Harris leaked 6 million from Biden's 2020. Democrats aren't "entitled" to anyone's vote, they have to earn it. They obviously didn't. If they had, Harris might have won.

Blaming people for not voting, or not voting for Harris doesn't get to the question. The question that everyone, including the DNC should be asking, is "why?" Why did Democrats leak so much support that they not only lost the Presidency, but allowed the GOP to control both parts of the Legislative Branch? I'm not hearing any analysis.

[Celerity]

86. Biden never should have appointed Garland as the AG in the first place. It turned out to be a profound and tragic error.

The rough beast that was and is MAGA was still slouching and pounding at the door, and Garland simply lacked the temperament, the mettle, and yes, the righteous ruthlessness that the job demanded in these national paradigm-splintering, treacherous Trumpian times. 'Cometh the hour, cometh the man' simply did not manifest itself in Garland's case. The long sweep of history's judgement will not be kind, no matter what the ultimate near to longer term resolution of the centuries-long American experiment is.

[Klarkashton]

79. Garland is a republican.

What the hell else must be said?

[Quixote1818]

83. And Biden should not have run again. nt

[stillcool]

85. I made it through most of the thread

now my head is spinning like I've been drinking for days. Wow.

[Stinky The Clown]

87. Entertaining, huh?

[LexVegas]

88. Yes. nt

[JanMichael]

91. Don't you worry Garland will be fine. He's in the club.

We are not.

[Hassler]

92. Once again the real culprits escape the spotlight

Mitch McConnell and his SCROTUS 6. It's all on them.