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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPeople are fleeing Texas and Florida, account for 30% of ALL homes For Sale in USA
Well not a surprise at all!
Both Texas and Florida have very repressive state governments.
Two Republican states that
HATE women,
HATE minorities,
HATE diversity,
HATE poor people,
New doctors avoid Texas like the Bubonic Plague
Young WOMEN avoid Texas and Florida,,, state will KILL women by denying care.
Immigrants are leaving Texas and Florida
People are fleeing Florida and Texas. As of Jan. 2025, those states collectively accounted for over 30% of ALL homes for sale in the US. Florida had 157,221 active listingsâthe highest in the countryâfollowed by Texas with 102,552.
— Jon Cooper (@joncooper-us.bsky.social) 2025-02-20T01:08:55.575Z
Repressive state governments and rising insurance are to blame.
People are fleeing Florida and Texas. As of Jan. 2025, those states collectively accounted for over 30% of ALL homes for sale in the US. Florida had 157,221 active listingsthe highest in the countryfollowed by Texas with 102,552.
Repressive state governments and rising insurance are to blame.
Hugin
(37,256 posts)I have heard of around four this week.
IrishBubbaLiberal
(2,561 posts)I hear that shit all the time
The Bullshit news RAH RAH RAH ..Companies moving to Texas
.
And that doesnt mean all the employees move, quite the opposite.
A LOT of employees just do NOT move, upper Mgmt does usually move,
The rank and file may or may not move,
A LOT of workers just do not move, and those that do move
quite a lot move back
to where they were living before..
Ive seen people think they will like Texas,,,, BUT THEY REGRET MOVING.
It all depends, if youre single, or whether you have a family and kids,
Whether your spouses job is too important to move away
.
Retiring soon?
Hugin
(37,256 posts)I was questioning why these companies are in such a rush to move to a jurisdiction that is so hostile to their own employees.
Employees are an investment. It costs thousands, tens of thousands of dollars to train a competent employee. Youd think retention would be a priority.
But, nah, in the US it seems not to be. The political statement of being in TX or FL seems to be.
Skittles
(169,066 posts)they quickly find out you get what you pay for
Hugin
(37,256 posts)A half hour later youre looking for a new employee.
IrishBubbaLiberal
(2,561 posts)Texas property taxes are SKY HIGH
All the working class and middle class Texans get to subsidize the wealthy in Texas.
The wealthy in Texas get a FREE RIDE screwing everyone in Texas that isnt wealthy.
The State govt has made sure of that.
There is a Reason Texas is constantly ranked last or at the very bottom of the 50 States.
For quality of life TEXAS IS LAST.
For Women
Texas is at the very BOTTOM
FOR public education
..at the bottom
For environment
..just sit back and enjoy the pollution from oil industry.
Regulations a problem for companies?? No problem, the Texas legislators just eliminated
that regulation.
Once a paper mill in East Texas was polluting the water on big reservoirs above allowed by
the state regulations- No problem, State Legislators just changed the amount of toxins allowed
so paper mill could continue to pollute as it was already polluting
Texas Is A Great state to have no regulations worth a damn.
Skittles
(169,066 posts)sales tax is high too 8.25%
BadgerMom
(3,373 posts)We moved from Southern California to Fort Worth for 3 years for my husbands job, 2013-15. We kept our California house. Houses in Texas that were as large and as well-appointed as our California home were 1/2 to 1/3 the price in Texas. My husband showed me the difference in property tax. Wow!! Those Texas homes annually cost more than our home in the LA area. Additionally, auto registration cost much more in Texas. It was more along the lines of what Gray Davis had suggested in California and what had led to Daviss recall. Thats when we got Schwarzenegger. Anyway, Texass lack of state income tax was no great financial help. States must get funding somewhere. If its not from income tax, its likely from fees or other taxes.
Skittles
(169,066 posts)they get their money one way or another
good thing you weren't here in 2021 - I'll never forget new California folk going WTF during the Texas grid failure - I told them, WELCOME TO TEXAS!
FHRRK
(1,340 posts)He and his wife relocated from Southern Cal to Dallas area for work in 2018. Luckily didnt sell the California home.
Besides not liking living in Texas, mainly the people and he is a Republican, after a full two years they figured out the cost of living savings was less than $200 per year.
He told his boss he was going back to California with or without his job.
IrishBubbaLiberal
(2,561 posts)Texas
.
Sales tax usually about 8% across the state, depending on city
Property taxes SKY HIGH, some the HIGHEST in entire USA
utilities EXPENSE SKY HIGH ELECTRICITY RATES
SKY HIGH ELECTRIC BILLS FOR TERRIBLE SUMMER HEAT
Sky High natural gas rates thanks to Republicans
Property Insurance isnt cheap, If you live near coast,
Especially Houston,,, EXPENSIVE EXPENSIVE!!
The REPUBLICANS State Legislators allow sky high auto insurance rates
to rip you off.
Texas Republicans refuse to allow cities and counties to have a livable minimum wage law.
Texas Republicans refuse to enact just about any workers protections.
Texas Republicans refuse to allow Unions for public school teachers to
collectively bargain for better wages and working conditions and benefits
Texas SUCKS. PERIOD
IrishBubbaLiberal
(2,561 posts)Upper Mgmt and/or owners chose to relocate headquarters
Lot of corporate heads are STUPID too and dont value their employees
as much as they should, Why they dont Inwill never understand
Lots of firms moved hdqtrs from Calif to Texas,
But that didnt mean ALL the employees moved.
The SF Bay Area, especially the Silicon Valley firms have had problems
with housing affordability for their employees- thats been a problem with affordability
For DECADES.
But like Tesla moving to Texas
..a LOT of employees did not move,
Many just stayed and got employment elsewhere.
Texas doesnt have much in outdoor environments like California,
Weather SUCKS in Texas
Gulf of Mexico waters on Texas coast are murky, and Texas beaches leave a lot to be desired compared to beaches on West Coast
But Florida has GREAT beaches, and GREAT water.
ITAL
(1,242 posts)I've lived in CA for 25 years since moving here as an adult, but I vacationed to the Texas coast several times as a kid (it was kind of the go to destination after my brother and I got to a certain age and my folks didn't want to deal with a long road trip with two teenage boys). The water was much warmer there - I still can't deal with the cold Pacific Ocean even after all these years.
IrishBubbaLiberal
(2,561 posts)But I guess I prefer the beach that isnt full of tar balls, like Texas.
Galveston beaches are well
not so good sadly.
South Texas beaches by Brownsville I really do not go,, a waste for me.
Better to spend my money for any MEXICO beach instead
Padre Island is ok, nothing wrong there, but again
MEXICO is where
I would be. Texas beaches SUCK compared to Mexico
Texas SUCKS compared to Florida.
Texas SUCKS compared to Cape Cod
Texas SUCKS compared to Caribbean
Texas SUCKS compared to Hawaii
Texas beaches SUCK compared to just about every beach I have visited
Even North Wales UK beaches are better,
And theyre cold too.
Skittles
(169,066 posts)IT IS COLD IN TEXAS RIGHT NOW
LeftInTX
(34,008 posts)Tuesday night was so windy that even the gym was cold!
Shipwack
(2,962 posts)This is 100% true. However, modern business philosophies don't believe this. They see employees as just annoying things that get in the way of profit. Moving to Texas, a very anti-worker state, makes screwing over workers easier.
Case in point: the city of Austin (among others) had a regulation that when the heat index was too high, employers were required to provide water and frequent rest breaks to outdoor workers. If employers valued the workers, this would be a no brainer (and the regulation unnecessary). Employers lobbied the Texas legislature, and legislation was passed that forbade any city to have such an ordinance. They usurp city autonomy all the time.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(28,390 posts)younger, cheaper ones.
Back in the 1970s the airlines did that a lot. Don't know as much about other companies.
IrishBubbaLiberal
(2,561 posts)Texas is a no go to state.
Most women refuse to move to Texas.
Hugin
(37,256 posts)I couldnt get away from them, one after another. Puke worthy. Showing young women Making their own stories.
I was like, fuck that.
mucifer
(25,480 posts)Cha
(316,258 posts)ShazzieB
(22,101 posts)When he was running for the Democratic nomination for governor back in 2018, I went to hear him speak at an event organized by the local Indivisible group. At the time I knew next to nothing about him, but I was immediately won over by his sincerity about wanting to fix the problems in this state.
In this era of evil, predatory billionaires, he is living proof that a billionaire be a quality human being who genuinely cares about regular people - reminds me of the Kennedys that way. (Well, except for RFK Jr, of course.
)
Cha
(316,258 posts)as well as everything you talked about~
Yes, he is evidence that Billionaires don't have to be greedy Nasty Smirking Fascists bowing to the Mad "king" Dic.
Now he wants to fix the World and Off to a good Starte!
TommyT139
(2,124 posts)Jennifer Pritzker is in her mid-70's. She announced her transition in 2013, and has been prominent in funding some of the research that proved trans military members were perfectly capable of serving on active duty.
So the governor has close-up familiarity with some folks who are in the trumpian target zone.
Cha
(316,258 posts)Gov Pritzker is Priceless.
SickOfTheOnePct
(8,710 posts)That gives context to this?
Number of homes for sale is kind a meaningless metric without any context.
IrishBubbaLiberal
(2,561 posts)A bit dated from 2019 on why people leave Texas,
Or refuse to move to Texas
Lots at
https://texasview.org/reasons-why-people-leave-texas/
LeftInTX
(34,008 posts)
https://www.newsweek.com/map-usa-states-people-flocking-ones-leaving-2022831
The study also revealed which states are losing more residents than they are gaining. The list of those losing the most people is as follows:
New Hampshire (-34.3 percent)
District of Columbia (-24.8 percent)
New Mexico (-21.2 percent)
Arizona (-21 percent)
Montana (20.8 percent)
Oklahoma (-20.2 percent)
Connecticut (-14.9 percent)
Maryland (-14.8 percent)
West Virginia (-14.6 percent)
Utah (-14.6 percent)
MichMan
(16,485 posts)LeftInTX
(34,008 posts)Just because there are more home for sale in Texas and Florida than other states doesn't mean people are leaving the state. Duh...more people live there, so there are going to be more homes on the market. It doesn't show net migration or anything.
Liberal In Texas
(15,904 posts)You notice it traffic jams on streets that never had traffic jams 20 years before. Tons of house construction and enormous apartment complexes. They're not building these things because the population is fleeing.
And another company is relocating their HQ to Plano - KFC!
LeftInTX
(34,008 posts)It built up so fast that somehow the road infrastructure didn't keep up. And sleepy little New Braunfels went from 35,000 to 100,000 in 20 years! New Braunfels is known for tubing....
pinkstarburst
(1,866 posts)Our traffic gets worse by the day and there are constant news articles about how water, utilities are other infrastructure are strained with so many people moving to Texas
.
OAITW r.2.0
(31,210 posts)LeftInTX
(34,008 posts)Could be based on a short period of time.
OAITW r.2.0
(31,210 posts)given their no property tax policy.
LeftInTX
(34,008 posts)Vermont (61 percent)
Delaware (37.1 percent)
Hawaii (20.4 percent)
Oregon (16.6 percent)
Georgia (15.6 percent)
North Dakota (14.8 percent)
Alaska (14.7 percent)
Missouri (13.9 percent)
Nebraska (13.6 percent)
Washington (13.4 percent)
Did they jiggle the NH/VT border or something..LOL?
https://www.newsweek.com/map-usa-states-people-flocking-ones-leaving-2022831
OAITW r.2.0
(31,210 posts)Most aren't leaving NH for VT. So I can say, NH losing 35% of their pop and VT gaining 61%.....doesn't make sense. VT has not had a 600,000 people boost in their
Sogo
(6,919 posts)someone commented that a lot of Canadians are selling their homes in AZ and not planning to come back.
SCantiGOP
(14,638 posts)And the housing costs are far less.
And it may be that soon, it will be safer for a
lot of folks in Mexico.
roamer65
(37,813 posts)Its just gonna get worse over the coming decades.
We really need to find a way to stop MAGAt migration north.
They will poison the well.
Johonny
(25,219 posts)But Canada gets harder to move to over 50
roamer65
(37,813 posts)Then just about any country takes you sadly.
IrishBubbaLiberal
(2,561 posts)This influx from Hong Kong forever changed Vancouver.
A LOT OF MONEY from Hong Kong
Never the same charm as before
OAITW r.2.0
(31,210 posts)They saw the writing on the wall after the British exited. Hong Kong is definitely not the same place that it was in the 90s. It's not communist, it's just authoritarian.
Norrrm
(3,778 posts)Meanwhile, insurance gets short attention because that is tough.
Cha
(316,258 posts)Thank you.
ETA~ and Diversity.. LGBTQ
Tickle
(4,131 posts)fine and blond in Florida 😂
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IrishBubbaLiberal
(2,561 posts)In my tiny little world
..
I mainly see people moving out of Texas big cities, to many places..
Back to Calif, Back to Minnesota, Back to Boston or New England.
Two Doctors down the street, fairly young pair married both docs,
Both bailed on Texas. I just cant recall what state they moved to, think it
was Wisconsin or maybe Michigan
A couple years ago, a rightwing retired SF cop, MAGA with a fantastic pension,
gave up on Texas and moved back to SF Bay Area,,, his wife just hated
Texas and plus their family was still in Calif.
And see some moving within Texas to smaller towns to get away
from traffic, they hate the high property taxes here.
But there are a few wealthy MAGA that moved to Texas around me,,in last 5 years
But I dont know anything about them.
Takket
(23,414 posts)they had a massive boom because of all the MAGAts want to live under Desantis's authoritarian control of the state (basically everything drumpf is doing now is modeled on Florida)
now that the MAGAts have cemented FL as a red state guessing the reverse is happening... people heading for bluer pastures.
Not much sense stating in a place where the cost of living is exploding AND you are hated.
Hugin
(37,256 posts)I could be wrong.
Scrivener7
(58,029 posts)roamer65
(37,813 posts)Rents are dropping in FL.
Crowman2009
(3,375 posts)As a former NY candidate for governor once said.
Bristlecone
(10,979 posts)Comrade Citizen
(344 posts)After 2004 redistricting, quality of life for average people began declining.
The one bright spot is diversity. anglos are only about 35% of the population, and with the younger generation, anglos are only 20%.
There are just so many types of Latin Cultures, Black Cultures, and Asian Cultures that we experience every day.
You can find plenty of rural areas that are majority Hispanic or Black.
IrishBubbaLiberal
(2,561 posts)Lots of Vietnamese, SE Asians 😍
Great food 😍
Fantastic restaurants Mom n Pop
Pho 😍
IrishBubbaLiberal
(2,561 posts)If I owned Texas and Hell, I would rent Texas and live in Hell
is a famous statement of U.S. General Philip Henry Sheridan in 1866. A later account (1883, below) tries to temper the impact of Sheridans words.
The statement is sometimes cited as If I owned hell and Texas.
Meowmee
(9,212 posts)One good thing about Florida is no property tax. Otherwise probably not much else. It has beautiful areas. I have never been there nor to CA. A friend keeps asking me to visit CA but I don't want to fly.
obamanut2012
(29,110 posts)Meowmee
(9,212 posts)A lot of people here go there for the winter and many retire there also.
Morbius
(841 posts)They may not admit it, but insurance companies believe in climate change, and are denying coverage in accordance. It isn't just that it's getting more expensive; increasingly, you just can't get it.
And then there are the bugs. Big bugs in Florida. You could adopt them as pets.
Quiet Em
(2,510 posts)and they are not a place most women would want to raise a child.
Not surprising people are fleeing.
Hope22
(4,405 posts)Plans to divert millions of dollars of tax money into funding for religious /private schools. Voting rights hog tied and the constant itch to bomb women back to the cave. We got a new Lieutenant Gov this week an ex OSU football coach. Not looking up!
Norbert
(7,509 posts)radical noodle
(10,453 posts)are driving people to move or sell a second home, a good number of homes in Florida are sold because at least one member of the household has died and the other is moving to be closer to family or because both have died and their adult kids don't want the house.
GoodRaisin
(10,679 posts)oasis
(53,266 posts)mahatmakanejeeves
(67,893 posts)I do not see how there are a lot of houses on the market translates into people are fleeing the state.
U-Haul rentals would be a much better indicator.
There is not much logic behind much of what apoears on the internet.
LeftInTX
(34,008 posts)We have over 1,000 homes. In my precinct. Zillow lists 7 on the market.
SickOfTheOnePct
(8,710 posts)That's why I was asking for context.
Turns out that people are actually moving to Florida & Texas in greater numbers than are leaving.
Liberal In Texas
(15,904 posts)IrishBubbaLiberal
(2,561 posts)Total num. of Americans who moved out of Texas in 2022: 494,077
3rd most of 50 states (8.6% moved to California)
Liberal In Texas
(15,904 posts)As Paul Harvey used to say, "And now you know the rest of the story."
IrishBubbaLiberal
(2,561 posts)Way too many that move to Texas are not happy once they are here
a year or two.
No place is perfect,
BUT TEXAS SUCKS BIG TIME !!
State of Texas consistently ranks at THE BOTTOM
See
https://www.sacurrent.com/news/texas-ranks-in-bottom-10-in-new-study-on-the-best-and-worst-educated-us-states-36731815
Liberal In Texas
(15,904 posts)That "way too many that move...here a year or two." It's just some supposition you are making with no basis in fact .
Then you make this statement about the state being consistently ranks at THE BOTTOM. (?) Of what? The link talks about education from the prestigious WalletHub where Texas is 41. Not great but not the bottom either. And this is just for education. The ranking decided by a financial writer from some obscure website.
IrishBubbaLiberal
(2,561 posts)Are you joking?
Texas is and has been ranked at THE BOTTOM consistently
in numerous unending matters
IrishBubbaLiberal
(2,561 posts)Texas SUCKS
https://www.tpr.org/public-health/2024-07-19/new-report-ranks-texas-as-one-of-the-worst-states-for-womens-health-and-reproductive-care
report ranks Texas as one of the worst states for womens health and reproductive care
https://www.sacurrent.com/news/texas-ranks-in-bottom-10-in-new-study-on-the-best-and-worst-educated-us-states-36731815
Texas ranks in bottom 10 in new study on the best- and worst-educated U.S. states
The study comes as experts warn Gov. Greg Abbott's school-voucher plan could further hinder educational outcomes.
By Michael Karlis on Mon, Feb 10, 2025 at 3:42 pm
https://hoodline.com/2025/02/texas-ranks-second-to-last-in-u-s-for-high-school-diploma-attainment-wallethub-analysis-reveals/
TEXAS RANKS SECOND TO LAST IN U.S. FOR HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA ATTAINMENT, WALLETHUB ANALYSIS REVEALS
https://sanangelolive.com/news/education/2024-01-17/texas-ranked-one-dumbest-states
Texas Ranked as One of the Dumbest States
https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/south-texas-el-paso/news/2024/07/17/cnbc-names-texas-worst-state-in-america-for-quality-of-life
CNBC names Texas worst state in America for quality of life in 2024
https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/2021/09/19/texas-ranks-last-near-last-some-childrens-health-metrics/8378932002/
Texas rank last or near last in children's and women's health?
An Older report
.
https://news.utexas.edu/2018/02/14/texas-ranks-near-bottom-for-political-and-civic-involvement/
Texas Ranks Near Bottom for Political Participation and Civic Involvement
https://texashousers.org/2021/03/18/the-gap-report-2021-texas-affordable-housing/
Texas ranks at the bottom for affordable and available housing for Extremely Low Income renters.
https://www.freedominthe50states.org/personal
Texas at Bottom for Personal Freedoms
IrishBubbaLiberal
(2,561 posts)Report: Texas Ranked Dead Last for Clinical Care
Access to care and insurance rates were what dragged down the state's rankings in America's Health Rankings.
IrishBubbaLiberal
(2,561 posts)IrishBubbaLiberal
(2,561 posts)Texas. Versus Massachusetts
Massachusetts is THE TOP State in Education
Texas is a backward cesspool compared to Massachusetts
Just the higher education alone is a stark difference.
There is no comparison.
Texas just doesnt have it.
-
https://www.boston.com/news/education/2023/01/30/massachusetts-education-ranking-schoolaroo/
Mass. ranks 5th in the nation for education, 1st for student success
Massachusetts has the fifth-best education system in the country for 2023, according to a report from Scholaroo. Four New England states made the top five list.
Scholaroo is a scholarship-finding service that also releases data reports related to education. Its 2023 Best and Worst School Systems scoring is based on three categories: student success, student safety, and school quality.
The states education system ranked first in student success, fourteenth in student safety, and sixth in student quality. It scored an 83 overall, putting it three points behind New Jersey, which ranked first overall.
Student success accounted for 25 points of the total, student quality for 35 points, and student safety for 40 points. To measure student success, Schoolaroo used 40 considerations, including test scores, high school dropout rates, and college-going rates.
In a breakdown of these categories, Massachusetts was found to have the third lowest dropout rate, the second highest math test scores, and the fifth highest dollar spent per student.
Teachers in the state also have one of the best compensation rates in the nation, and students have the second-highest average ACT scores across states, according to a release. The state also has the second-largest number of public high schools ranked among the countrys top 100.
IrishBubbaLiberal
(2,561 posts)Massachusetts Ranks #1 in National Education Assessment
First Time Ranked #1 State In All Four Categories In Nations Report Card Since 2017
IrishBubbaLiberal
(2,561 posts)Liberal In Texas
(15,904 posts)IrishBubbaLiberal
(2,561 posts)Despite 422,075 people making the move to California in 2023, many more residents (690,127 people) moved out. This trend has been consistent for several years, leading to an exodus of 433,000 former residents between 2020 and 2023. This highlights Californias high cost-of-living issue, which is driving many residents to seek more affordable alternatives elsewhere.
SharonClark
(10,497 posts)Some people dont know how cause and effect work.
Chakaconcarne
(2,770 posts)and once that occurs..... who knows what happens to those blue states.
senseandsensibility
(24,179 posts)were when CA supposedly had a high exodus rate during the pandemic, calling them a "hellhole" 24/7 like they did with CA. The CA bashing got so bad on FAUX that my R father asked me what they were talking about. Even he, a well seasoned FAUX viewer, would see that what they were saying didn't match his reality as a California resident.
AwakeAtLast
(14,315 posts)It's been in the works for awhile, but they can't wait!
IrishBubbaLiberal
(2,561 posts)I know a few who lived and worked in Texas,
And RETIRED to MEXICO
One was principal at Middle school, AND retired with
a DAMN GOOD PENSION, Her husband was also a Coach/Teacher that retired
with in a year or two of each other
So they had TWO really good pensions,
I would guess about $80,000 a year PENSION
SO a good guess is about $150,000 to $170,000 combined
They sold their house in north Texas,
AND THEN GOT THE HELL OUT OF TEXAS !!
AND MOVED TO MEXICO !!
They bought a house in Mexico, about 2 hours north of Mexico City,
Utility costs are minimal compared to Texas,
About 70% less utilities expenses now
Great savings to live in Mexico.
About 40% to 50% cheaper
But they bought a house in Mexico BEFORE the pandemic hit
Pool, hillside views, a maid is inexpensive,
And if they want to COSTCO and HEB are within an hours drive
A few things are more expensive,,, like cell phones, especially if you want an APPLE
Less stress
Less traffic
People are friendly
Crime is far lower than compared to North Texas
And No REPUBLICAN assholes.
AwakeAtLast
(14,315 posts)New Mexico!
mackdaddy
(1,928 posts)Trump/musk are eliminating it.
Dem4life1234
(2,533 posts)Ruined by MAGAt asshole leadership.
ProfessorGAC
(75,606 posts)A person moving from Kissimmee to Orlando is still in Florida. But, that's 2 home sales.
Same with someone moving from Pearland to The Woodlands near Houston. 2 sales, but not necessarily flering the state.
What I didn't find in that thread was what % those sales are attributable to actual flight from the state.
Remember, those 2 states have 17% of the population, so the floor on % of home sales is not zero.
I can't completely accept this posters enthusiasm without knowing the details
I hope he's right, but not convinced there's much there.
mnhtnbb
(33,054 posts)They have family there. He's an endocrinologist and she's a psychologist. They have an almost 2 year old son.
Personally, I think they're nuts. It would have made more sense for their relatives to move here in NC, but they will also be closer to family that is still in Puerto Rico.
They will rent in FL. Their house here went under contract the first week it was on the market.
Tickle
(4,131 posts)Brenda
(1,916 posts)People are NOT fleeing Florida and Texas because of repressive state governments.
Rising insurance is surely a reason some are.
You're just new to DU and trying to be helpful, right?