Hamas brutally killed child hostages. How can anyone defend that?

[Coventina]

*** snip ***

The worst, the most vicious creatures on earth, are once again preying on the Jews.

Not just mutilating and murdering them, but killing their children, their infants and toddlers, babies who in happier moments are seen in photographs with delicate fingers and smiles — posing no threat or insult to any decent human being.

If you are Jewish, your mind must be whirring today, wondering how it is that evil so frequently finds your people — making them, as Alana Newhouse describes, a kind of seismograph for the collapse of civilized society.

And knowing that when it happens, the monsters will find sympathetic allies across the Christian and Muslim worlds. They will not blame the killers in balaclavas who don’t have the guts to show their faces while they exult in bloody deeds.

Instead, they’ll blame the victims, the babies and their mothers and their grandparents, who in the case of Ariel and Kfir, were murdered by Hamas.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/hamas-brutally-killed-child-hostages-181333580.html

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Fuck all Hamas supporters!!

[Bluethroughu]

1. I don't think there are any Hamas supporters here.

All this megadeath in the Israeli/Palastinian war is unnecessary, sick and sad.

Seems a simple solution, if everyone wanted to peaceful humans. Unfortunately, this is our world. Humans are not choosing peace and love.

[WarGamer]

2. Some people here confuse criticism of Israel... for support of Hamas.

[tritsofme]

3. Sure sometimes, just as some people pretend support for Hamas is something else.

[WarGamer]

4. Saying "Dropping 2000lb bombs on women and children in broken down apartment blocks to kill 3 or 4 fighters underground"

Isn't pro-Hamas.

It's pro-Human.

[tritsofme]

5. But perhaps terming them as "freedom fighters" and latter day Nelson Mandelas, is a demonstration of pellucidly clear

support for Hamas, it would seem to me.

[Johnny2X2X]

6. DUers called them Freedom Fighters?

Haven't seen that once, you have a link?

[tritsofme]

10. I have a link to a particularly egregious one.

But it always seems like this sort of “call-out” is a rules gray area.

[iemanja]

116. There is no alert category for call out

That’s a cop out for people who want to make allegations without proof.

[sheshe2]

127. It would be called a personal attack and that is a no no.

[Hekate]

11. Yes, actually, some DUers have done so, & have used every justification for what they tried to deny

It was quite the inglorious several months for Democratic Underground.

[defacto7]

64. I deleted something that was unnecessary. Sorry.

[DENVERPOPS]

39. No shit, WG

There are no good guys between these two............The death, destruction and carnage caused by BOTH sides is un-forgiveable.
AND should be condemned by the rest of the world.

The situation in Ukraine is different, with one single man in Russia responsible for everything. And worse, now joined by one single man here in the U.S. Two Narcissistic, Psychotic, Sadistic, Sub human pieces of excrement that have no place in society or a civilized world. Along with all the other tyrants in all the dictator nations........ And Netanyahu is right in there with them, considering all he has contributed along with only a few of his "hawk" Israelites......

They are willing to destroy all of mankind on the entire planet earth to achieve their egomaniacal desires.

When it happens, you can bet mother nature, as she rebuilds her planet earth, will not consider bringing back humans!!!!!!!

[obamanut2012]

21. No one on DU is pro Hamas

[tritsofme]

22. Eh, some folks have made their opinion pellucidly clear.

That is all.

[Chautauquas]

50. why don't you just say the name?

It's clear who you're referring to, so why are you afraid to just say the name?

[tritsofme]

52. What a great idea! lol

[iemanja]

114. People never do

Instead they make empty allegations with no proof.

[Hekate]

89. Why don't you? Or, just read the TOS where it says we don't want internal flame wars, therefore...

…refrain from call-outs. So, don’t bait..

But you know that, Chautauquas, I’m sure.

[Orrex]

24. I've been called a pro-Hamas antisemite many times

Simply for suggesting that maybe, just maybe, Netanyahu shouldn’t murder children by the thousands.

[Mossfern]

30. Does/did Netanyahu target children

specifically?

[Ms. Toad]

55. When you target hospitals and civilian homes, you are targeting children. n/t

[Mossfern]

79. Are we going to go around this merry-go-round again?

This thread it about the brutal kidnapping of a toddler and infant. I wish people wouldn't deflect and subtly blame the victim. This is also about Hamas (were the all Hamas?) cheering and taunting Israelis at the return of their tiny bodies.

I'll leave the argument about hospitals, schools and houses for another thread - but this has been "discussed" Ad Infinitum.

[Orrex]

93. Hamas is a vile terrorist cult that should be destroyed to its last member

There is nothing to debate in that regard.

Netanyahu is a deliberate murderer undertaking an extended and voluntary campaign of deliberate civilian slaughter, killing children by the tens of thousands.

There is nothing to debate in that regard.

[Mad_Machine76]

100. Right

Both sides can be wrong.

[Ms. Toad]

113. The OP implied people are supporting Hamas.

Had the OP purely blasted Hamas, rather than suggesting people are supporting Hamas, I would not have responded.

[Hekate]

91. Likewise when you tunnel beneath hospitals & civilian homes, & "borrow" their utilities. Sad business.

[Ms. Toad]

112. It is a sad business,

but those doing the bombing have a choice. The civilians murdered do not.

[JohnSJ]

56. No, but some do post Democracy Now videos where guests such as jeremy scahill who pushed the LIE that October 7

did not have the tortures or rapes that occurred.

In all fairness to Democracy Now though, they also blamed the Putin invasion of Ukraine on the U.S., because we all know that prior to the Russian invasion the U.S. was meeting with Russia telling them to "invade Ukraine.

[intheflow]

15. And some confuse support of Palestinians as support for Hamas.

I support the Palestinian and Jewish people who just want to live in peace. I don't support either government.

[Beastly Boy]

16. More people confuse support of Hamas for criticism of Israel.

And those people occasionally find sympathy here.

[Dorian Gray]

82. Criticism of Israel is fine

What I've seen here is frustration at the anti Israel protests that popped up on October 8th, before Israel had a chance to respond.

I've been furious at the multiple protests targeting Jewish owned businesses.

I've been furious at the graffiti aimed at those businesses in NYC.

Just Tuesday, there was a vile protest in Borough Park, BK. They targeted Brooklynite Orthodox Jewish people and told them to "go home." Fuck that.

Don't be racist here.

Also, all lost of life is a travesty. The Bibas babies deaths are a tragedy. The death and destruction in Gaza is also a tragedy. Hamas hiding behind the population shows how little they respect their people. Zero desire to protect that.

[ZRB]

47. Yes there are plenty of "freedom fighter" supporters here.

Makes me sick.

[Bluethroughu]

80. "Freedom Fighter", I don't undrrstand what you mean by that.

In some contexts that would be us. Are we not fighting for freedom?

[ZRB]

87. A very popular DUer once implied...

that Hamas are freedom fighters like Mandela, this after seeing what they did on October 7. Plenty of others have echoed that sentiment.

[Bluethroughu]

102. Oh okay....

But remember we can not allow the Right to co-op every well meaning word or saying...

I must have missed that thread, but me personally prefer love not war, tolerance over hate, and people over power.

These religious and racist differences are keeping us beholden to power and money.
If as people we all reject our exploitation by these power monsters to hate and kill eachother, they become ineffective. We all need to say NO, no more hate, no more war, and no more money to kill for power. NO.

[Rob H.]

7. Dehumanization and racism six words in must be some kind of record nt

[Beastly Boy]

18. I am a bit unclear to the meaning of your post. I hope you are not saying that calling Hamas nurderers inhuman

amounts to dehumanization and racism.

[cannabis_flower]

41. Calling them murderers isn't

Calling them creatures is dehumanization.

[Beastly Boy]

67. It is a fine line, but are you calling these terrorists worthy of being humanized?

They are not just murderers, they are hostage taker, corpse peddlers who are spectacles of other dead humans and cheer their deaths as their major victory.

Do you think such behavior, which transcends humanity in every conceivable way warrants being humanized?

This kind of thinking seems a bit odd to me.

[Richard D]

97. They have to first be human . . .

. . . to be dehumanized.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

109. No, it's not in this particular case,

calling them creatures is not dehumanizing them, it's calling them for what they are, vile creatures that need to be eradicated from planet earth.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

8. The transfer of the bodies of these victims was horrific

Link to tweet

The scenes from Gaza are horrifying.

Palestinians are parading the bodies of Israeli BABIES in coffins, as they blast loud music and celebrate.

What kind of sick society is this?!

[CincyDem]

63. When people show you how they are...believe them.

[bluesbassman]

9. Well the self proclaimed "king" will soon have the Corp of Engineers bulldozing Gaza to the ground, so no more Hamas.

Of course there won't be any civilian Palestinians either, but fuck them, right?

[Hekate]

12. Don't forget the :sarcasm: thingy when tensions are high

Americans who voted for trump or left that space blank thinking Kamala would be bad for the Palestinians are learning the hideousness of their mistake now — I hope. I hope they learn.

[bluesbassman]

17. I wasn't being sarcastic.

I was however asking a direct question to the OP, who dropped a pretty offensive bomb in their post, and I was genuinely curious about their opinion on the genocide our new “king” intends to collaborate with the war criminal Bibi in executing.

I find it curious that many others have expressed displeasure that the OP is insinuating that people here who support the Palestinian people, also support the Hamas terrorists. There has been no clarification from the OP, so my question stands.

[Beastly Boy]

19. Allow me to offer my opinion

Fuck Hamas, and enough deflecting, dammit!

[Cha]

25. Mahalo, BB... Yeah, the Deflecting is Not Working.

[bluesbassman]

53. Who's deflecting?

I support innocent civilians, and I condemn Hamas without qualification. You see, two things can be true at the same time.

[Beastly Boy]

70. A DUer called bluesbassman in response #9, if you are still wondeering.

You responded with bothsideism to a post about a murderous gang of corpse peddlers making a spectacle of dead hostages.

The deflection is rather self-evident.

[Coventina]

20. I thought your question was rhetorical, but sure, I'll answer it:

FUCK ANYONE WHO SUPPORTS HAMAS!!

Poll after poll shows the the majority of Palestinians DO support Hamas.

I am very sympathetic and sorry for the minority who do not. It really sucks to be the ethical minority. We are living it here, right now.

[bluesbassman]

59. You've made yourself perfectly clear.

Personally I don't come onto my allies message board and make blanket statements insinuating they support terrorists. But you do you.

[Mosby]

42. Why is Netanyahu a war criminal? For fighting back?

See this is the problem right here.

Is Israel allowed to defend itself from psychopathic terrorists?

Yes or No.

[Chautauquas]

49. Murdering children in Gaza is criminal

just like murdering Israeli citizens is criminal.
fuck Bibi and anyone who supports him.

[Mosby]

73. So Israel isn't allowed to defend themselves, got it.

Nt

[Mossfern]

81. How about kidnapping children in Isreal?

What about celebrating the deaths of innocents?
Do you see Israelis giving out sweets and celebrating when innocent Palestinians are killed?

[bluesbassman]

66. His war crimes are well documented.

Of course Israel is allowed to defend itself. War crimes are not defense though, or do you believe any action against the Palestinians is ok no matter what the collateral damage is?

[Mosby]

72. What war crime?

Based on the hopelessly biased UN?

The head of the UN is in the pocket of Russia, Iran and the Gulf states.

He does what his maters want, which is to obsess about Israel.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/04/25/why-un-chiefs-silence-human-rights-deeply-troubling

This is Ken Roth ffs complaining about the tool.

[intheflow]

13. Netanyahu bombed neonatal hospitals.

How can anyone defend that?

I am neutral on this, I think both sides in the current conflict have behaved atrociously. But one side has been far more lethal, and that is the Israeli government. Almost 50,000 Palestinians have died since Oct 7, 2023, and less than 1800 Israelis. I don't want anyone's babies' killed, but there is absolutely nothing based in reality that makes Israel's actions heroic.

[Beastly Boy]

26. Wrong. And you are bringing this up in response to the outrage over Hamas barbarity... why?

Other than being an obvious attempt at deflection, of course. As a matter of relevance, why are you bringing up Netanyahu in response to the brutality described in the OP which is specific to Hamas?

Never mind the dubious accuracy of your header. And you call this neutral? I beg to disagree.

[intheflow]

35. I'm saying there's plenty of barbarism to go around with this conflict.

The fact that you're focusing on two Israeli babies when thousands of Palestinians babies have been killed. But maybe you're okay with killing Palestinian babies? Kinda sounds like it.

Israel Bombs Pediatric Hospital as Death Toll of Children in Gaza Surpasses 4,000
Article date: November 6, 2023. Four thousand children killed at children's hospital less than a month after the Oct. 7th bomb.

How many more babies have died at the Israeli government's actions? I am horrified at Hamas' actions over the last few days and I also understand that it's completely disingenuous to cry for two babies when thousands of babies on the other side have been killed. Cry for all the babies or don't cry at all.

Edited to add, why did I bring up Netanyahu? Are you kidding? You think the Hamas exists in a bubble outside of the conflict? Now you're deflecting.

[Mosby]

43. Why do the Palestinians keep attacking Israel?

Who's fault is that exactly?

Israel exists.

The conflict will NEVER end until Arabs understand that Israel exists.

Israel has been DEFENDING themselves for their entire existence. The conflict is in the minds of Arabs and their western patrons.

THERE IS NO CONFLICT EXCEPT IN THE ARAB WORLD.

[intheflow]

60. Why did Jimmy Carter write a book called Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid in 2006?

Because Israel has been terrorizing the Palestinians for decades.

I don't understand people who are like, OMG, why won't people who have been bombed, starved, had water restricted, been evicted from their homes, etc., etc. just stop being violent?

It's because they have been, and continues to be, subjected to violence from the Israeli state. Palestinians never asked to be thrown from their ancestral homeland - which used to be called Palestine before the United Nations turned it into Israel. The Israeli government could have been like, "Thank you for letting us share your country, also our ancestral homeland!" and shared the land. Instead, the Israeli government chose to be the MAGA neighbor, the neighbor who sees a Black kid on the porch and immediately shoots to kill, even as that kid was just asking for directions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine:_Peace_Not_Apartheid

[Mosby]

74. Carter never claumed there was Apartheid in Israel

He was concerned that Israel might annex the WB and not provide the Arabs any rights.

The Arabs have been offered a country like 7 times, and they passed on every offer. That's on them, the game is over.

[intheflow]

76. Which is exactly what they did.

Human Rights Watch quotes Israeli leaders saying that Gaza was under apartheid: Does Israel’s Treatment of Palestinians Rise to the Level of Apartheid?

B'Tselem, an Israeli peace organization, says Gaza is living under apartheid: This is Apartheid

The UN says it's apartheid: Israel’s occupation of Palestinian Territory is ‘apartheid’: UN rights expert

EFF says there's electronic apartheid happening in Gaza: Digital Apartheid in Gaza: Unjust Content Moderation at the Request of Israel’s Cyber Unit

(On Gaza) "They are being strangled since the Israeli withdrawal, surrounded by a separation barrier that is penetrated only by Israeli-controlled checkpoints, with just single opening for personnel only into Egypt-Sinai as their access to the outside world. There have been no moves by Israel to permit transportation by air or by sea. Fishermen are not permitted to leave the harbor. Workers are prevented from going to outside jobs. The import or export of food and other goods is severely restricted and often cut off completely, and the police, teachers, nurses, and social workers are deprived of salaries. Per capita income has decreased 40% during the last three years, and the poverty rate has reached 70%. The UN special repertoire on the right of food has stated that the acute malnutrition in Gaza is already on the same scale as that seen in the poorer countries of the southern Sahara, with more than half of Palestinians eating only one meal a day.”
― Jimmy Carter, Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid

"No objective person could personally observe existing conditions in the West Bank and dispute these statements.”
- Jimmy Carter, Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid

Also, I'm going to move into your house. You'll have to move because it's my house now. What? You don't want to be displaced, you raised your kids in that house, your grandfather built that house? Too fucking bad, it's mine now. Also, I will control when you get to use water, watch tv, or leave the neighborhood. But that's not apartheid, is it? And if you don't take my offer as is, I guess that's on you.

[Mosby]

84. You and others are playing a game

Is the West Bank and Gaza part of Israel?

So when Israel doesn't control either area how is that Apartheid?

There is real Apartheid in the OTs, because the Muslims won't let Jews live there. That's what your supporting.

Palestine is Jew Free, and soon to be Christian free. The Bahai are infidels (according to Islam) and the aren't welcome in "Palestine". The LGBTQ aren't welcome in "Palestine".

Only Muslims can live in "Palestine", just like the 22 other Arab/Muslim countries.

[intheflow]

96. Did the UN invent a country called Israel?

Did that country used to called Palestine? Yes, absolutely Israel exists. And yes, Israel was planted over an already occupied country.

Holy smokes! Did you see that? I acknowledged two truths that exist at the same time and my head didn’t explode! Would that more people were able to do that!

Today’s news didn’t arise in a bubble so it’s not just today’s news. Just like the Confederacy has risen again in the US, as they paint over FBI walls that proclaim diversity and try to erase trans people.

[Mosby]

103. Great. And the 26% or so of non-jews in Israel have full rights.

Your right there were people there, like Jews for the past 3500 years, long before Islam even existed.

[LeftInTX]

129. There was NEVER a country called Palestine!

Palestine is a Roman Empire name given to the region after the fall of the Temple of Jerusalem.
The region has various names prior: Canaan, Israel, Judah

Let's go back to Jesus: He grew up and preached in Roman appointed Jewish provinces called Judea and Samaria. A Jewish ruler called Herod was appointed to the region.



After a Jewish revolt, the Roman Empire named it Syria Palestine and eliminated the names Judea and Samaria.
It was inhabited primarily by Jews, Romans and Arab tribal groups.


Then there was a Byzantine region called Palestine, which was basically referred to the Holy Land. It was inhabited by Jews and Arab Christians and small numbers of Christians (Greeks, Armenians etc) from other regions.
400 AD Eastern Roman Empire (Aka Byzantine)



Then there was an Muslim (Arab) conquest of the region. The Arabs renamed the region Bilad-Asham. Christians continued to refer to the name of the region of Palestine and they did not adopt the Arab name.
Abbasid Caliphate


Ayyubid Sultanate

Mamluk Sultanate


Then there were the crusades in which the Christians tried to gain control of the Holy Land. The region was known a Kingdom of Jerusalem. During this time period Arabs, Christians and Seljuk Turks were fighting for control.


Eventually the Turks wons, so there was Ottoman rule under which is was known as the Damascus Eyalet under which a Pasha was assigned.

Christians in the west still referred to it as Palestine or Holy Land because they did not want to adopt a Turkish governance name.




Then there was World War I. The British gained control of the region and it was named British Mandatory Palestine. So Palestine was actually a modern British name for the region. There were Jews in British Mandatory Palestine, there were Arabs who were Muslims, there were Arabs who were Christian. There were also Arabs from other regions and Christians from other region. Some Arabs wanted to name the region "Southern Syria".

The name given to the Mandate's territory was "Palestine", in accordance with local Palestinian Arab and Ottoman usage[10][11][12][13] and with European tradition. The Mandate charter stipulated that Mandatory Palestine would have three official languages: English, Arabic and Hebrew.

In 1926, the British authorities formally decided to use the traditional Arabic equivalent to the English name, and its Hebrew transcription i.e. Filasţīn (فلسطين and Pālēśtīnā (פּלשׂתינה respectively. The Jewish leadership proposed that the proper Hebrew name should be ʾĒrēts Yiśrāʾel (ארץ ישׂראל, Land of Israel). The final compromise was to append the initials of the Hebrew proposed name, Alef-Yod, within parenthesis (א״י after Pālēśtīnā whenever the Mandate's name was mentioned in Hebrew in official documents.[15][16] The Arab leadership saw this compromise as a violation of the mandate terms. Some Arab politicians suggested "Southern Syria" (سوريا الجنوبية as the Arabic name instead. The British authorities rejected this proposal; according to the Minutes of the Ninth Session of the League of Nations' Permanent Mandates Commission:

Colonel Symes explained that the country was described as "Palestine" by Europeans and as "Falestin" by the Arabs. The Hebrew name for the country was the designation "Land of Israel", and the Government, to meet Jewish wishes, had agreed that the word "Palestine" in Hebrew characters should be followed in all official documents by the initials which stood for that designation. As a set-off to this, certain of the Arab politicians suggested that the country should be called "Southern Syria" in order to emphasise its close relation with another Arab State.[17]

After WWII, the UN approved the partition of Palestine into Jewish and Arab states. Jews created Israel as a sovereign state. Arabs called the Arab regions Palestine and they have been fighting ever since.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine

[OilemFirchen]

83. Common Dreams!

A literal open spigot of bullshit.

[intheflow]

94. I found DU through Common Dreams.

Your argument is moot.

[Beastly Boy]

85. I have read what you were saying. My question was WHY you said what you were saying in response

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to the outrage over Hamas barbarity.

Since it appears to require an explanation, let me explain the obvious: the reason why I am focusing on two Israeli babies TODAY and not on all the Israeli babies tortured band murdered on October 7, 2023, is because their corpses were held hostage until TODAY, and released TODAY in a bizarre freaky shit show by their captors and murderers. And I am doing so in response to your deflection form TODAY's post that you composed TODAY, on the day that the aforementioned outrage took place. Pretty self evident, if you ask me.

Therefore, I will not allow you to further deflect from what happened TODAY and waste any more of my time with explanations of why your claims of "Netanyahu bombed a neonatal hospitals" (there is no such thing as a "neonatal hospital", for starters), or " Four thousand children killed at children's hospital" (the hospital you are referring to has a total bed capacity of 120, for starters) are pure nonsense. None of it is relevant to what you are responding to TODAY.

[intheflow]

95. Past is not prologue.

The only thing that exists is this second in time that arose from nothing. Got it.

[Beastly Boy]

98. Ah, a deflection!

Didn't expect that at all!

Turns out that exchanges of decayed corpses of butchered captive children for mass murdering terrorists in grotesque spectacles has a past! You don't say!

[LetMyPeopleVote]

14. Statement of Hoyer on Murder and Return of Israeli Hostages

Link to tweet

[Coventina]

29. You're adorable! Welcome to DU!

[ShazzieB]

58. LOL!

Good one!

[ZDU]

31. boom

[twodogsbarking]

27. It's a contest to see how terrible people can be. Both sides are on the field and playing offense and defense.

It is not a game though. It is a failure of mankind and they aren't very successful at addressing it. So sorry for all.
https://www.state.gov/u-s-security-cooperation-with-israel/#:~:text=Since%20its%20founding%20in%201948,joint%20exercises%2C%20and%20helping%20Israel

[TalenaGor]

28. A palestinian friend of mine says that the people dont like Hamas, but they have no one else to protect them from isreal

[Mosby]

46. Protect them from what.

Your "friend" lives in a world of his own making.

The Arabs are obsessed with Israel. They need to get over it.

Simple as that.

[iemanja]

120. Bombs that result in mass murder

How would you feel if a bomb was dropped on your house, your children’s school, or a hospital you were in? Protect from what is the most tone deaf comment I’ve heard in my life. You actually think people shouldn’t object to being slaughtered.
How is it better than Hamas’ actions here? Both are horrific and indefensible. The killing of children is evil.

[Mosby]

124. I wouldn't do anything to provoke a response like that.

Once again, the Arab nations and peoples simply refuse to leave Israel alone. Israel has every right to a country. The Arabs need to stop with the violence.

You are engaging in a logical fallacy called "false equivalence" by comparing the defensive actions of Israel with the illegal, immoral violence of Hamas, IJ, etc.

That's revolting.

[iemanja]

125. I'm directly responding to your

Question about what have Palestinians to fear. The answer is obviously Israel. Meantime, you defend the killing of children. Do you suppose death means less at the hands of the self-righteous?

[Richard D]

101. Hogwash

Hogwash.

[Bread and Circuses]

33. All this supports continued hate and violence

Hamas is cruel and brutal
Israel is cruel and brutal.

Hamas kills
Israel kills

Hamas is not the people of Palestine
Israel is not the people of Israel.

War criminal Netanyahu is a corrupt, evil maniac who has taken US money over many years and
Refuses to agree to a two-state solution.

Eventually, the Orange Turd will tell Netanyahu to bulldoze GAZA and complete the genocide.
This will enrich them and cause more terrorist acts around the globe.
And the US will deserve all the pain because none of our leaders said NO to Netanyahu.

Netanyahu is the biggest threat to Jews and he may cause them to be chased down and killed ….again.

That is what the extreme right wants - constant fear, war, death and destruction.

Wake up people.

[Behind the Aegis]

34. The biggest threat to Jews are ANTI-SEMITES not a Jew!

[Coventina]

38. So.....basically you are saying that killing innocent people in acts of terrorism is OK.

Wow.

[Behind the Aegis]

40. So many squirrels every time dead Israelis/Jews are mentioned.

[Bread and Circuses]

118. No. Not at all.

Netanyahu is a war criminal and is in league with Putin and Trump.

I’ve never defended Hamas . They are terrorists.

[Cirsium]

48. Unacceptable

This is outrageous and unacceptable here:

"Netanyahu is the biggest threat to Jews and he may cause them to be chased down and killed ….again."

[Arazi]

36. But the DNC didn't give the pro-Pal protesters 5 minutes at the conference!!!

So of course they had to vote for Traitor or Stein!

[Eko]

71. The pro-pal speakers voted for Kamala.

For Ruwa Romman, voting for Harris is part of the long game
https://19thnews.org/2024/10/ruwa-romman-georgia-gaza-election/
Waleed Shahid

Link to tweet

Why are you pushing Democrats who support us away?

[Arazi]

110. Dude, it's not me who insists Dems fucked up not allowing pro-Pals onstage

At the convention.

Heard it many times that if only Dems had allowed a speaker at the DNC Harris would have had their votes

🙄

[Eko]

117. But you did say this.

"So of course they had to vote for Traitor or Stein!" when they didnt.

[Arazi]

119. .

I’m grateful the proposed speaker voted for Harris.

Many MANY other pro-Pal people did not

[Avalon Sparks]

37. Wow

I haven’t seen one person here or on social media defend that, but I’ve seen many defend the slaughtering of thousands of Palestine children, and I find it beyond repulsive.

[Richard D]

44. The family was abducted...

... By 'innocent civilians'

70 % of the scum who raped, tortured, and burned innocent Israelis were "innocent civilians"

To quote several of the released hostages, there are no innocents in Gaza.

[Richard D]

68. And here we have the innocent children and civilians of Gaza . . .

. . . expressing their grief and outrage at the murder of the babies and their mother:

https://www.facebook.com/reel/2311932412506970

[Richard D]

69. And, something that isn't making it into the press.

The 83-year-old great-grandfather who was murdered was a peace activist before his abduction. He spent much of his time driving ill Gazans to and from hospitals in Israel for advanced medical care they could not get in Gaza.

I shudder at what will happen when the cause and method of execution is released. Were they tortured to death? A bullet to the head? The children cut into pieces in front of their helpless mother? Did the children have to watch their mother repeatedly raped and then murdered?

But of course, the both-siders will just say, "but Israel . . . "

Who will defend the indefensible?

[Ping Tung]

45. No cause justifies the deaths of innocent people. Albert Camus

[Ms. Toad]

51. No one here is defending Hamas.

Just like most of us don't defend Netanyahu's brutal killing of civilian targets, including infants and children, in Gaza in response.

Anyone defending either of those groups/actions needs to find their moral compass.

[Mossfern]

86. I see what you did here -

Do you?

[LetMyPeopleVote]

54. The Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia has spoken about the scenes in Gaza today of Palestinians cheering on the coffins

The Muslim religious leader was rightfully appalled at the transfer of the coffins by Hamas

Link to tweet

Here is what the Grand Mufti was describing

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[Mosby]

75. The Palestinians are proud about what they did.

They would do another Oct 7th if they could, and another, and another.

This is a deeply unwell culture.

[claudette]

57. How can anyone

defend the IDF killing thousands of innocent Palestinian children? Killing children is wrong no matter who does it.

[FBaggins]

62. How did the US defend killing tens of thousands of German children?

Or Japanese?

[Uncle Joe]

65. 13,000 at last count

Devastating toll for Gaza’s children: Over 13,000 killed and an estimated 25,000 injured, UN says

https://apnews.com/article/un-gaza-war-children-killed-malnutrition-israel-bef00a350a7fbe5a33dfb2c9883803ce

Hamas claims that those hostages died from relentless bombing by Netanyahu's government in the early stages of the war.

All of the Israeli protesters demanding for nearly a year that Netanyahu go back to the ceasefire table to get their families and friends being held hostage released knew they were in danger from this indiscriminate onslaught as well.

Drone footage shows vast destruction in Beit Lahiya, in northern Gaza

[Richard D]

99. According to the Gaza Health Department . . .

. . . which is Hamas. The real number could be quite different and likely much lower.

Also, a sizable portion of Hamas are children, some as young as 12. If anyone younger than 18 is killed in battle, they are counted as children, not soldiers.

[Uncle Joe]

104. Approximately 48% of Gaza's total population was 17 or younger on October 7th living in one of the most densely

populated areas on Earth, and with that kind of destruction, it's probable that the number will be even higher and that would just be from so called "collateral damage" from a year of indiscriminate bombing.

The health statistics from Gaza's medical community wasn't questioned before October 7th.

[Richard D]

105. There was no need to question it before Oct 7.

As to indiscriminate bombing . . . well, hogwash. The IDF and IAF bent over backward to warn civilians away from areas that were considered military targets that they were going to destroy. Why are you not complaining that Hamas forced civilians to be in areas where they knew they would be killed? Why are you not complaining that Hamas used civilians as human shields?

Jeeze, I swear if this kind of BS had been around in WWII we'd all be speaking German and walking to work in goosestep. Well, not all of us.

[Uncle Joe]

108. All of the Palestinian Peoples' aren't Hamas anymore than all Americans are MAGA

even less so because Gaza hasn't experienced an election since 2006.

[sarisataka]

77. Some folks find it quite easy to defend

and tend to become upset when something is published that makes Hamas look bad...

[iemanja]

106. Who?

[sarisataka]

111. Just read the replies

There are several posts that are variations of the antisemitic trope 'the Jews brought it on themselves'.

[iemanja]

121. I'm not seeing it

And you refuse to provide proof.

[sarisataka]

123. The proof is right in front of you

I cannot help that you cannot see it.

From past conversations I know you are an intelligent person. Consider why so many come into a thread condemning Hamas for using the bodies of children as propaganda tools to say 'but Israel'.

The OP is critical of Hamas, not Palestinians. What is the purpose of the whataboutism if not to somehow say Hamas actions are justified?

[iemanja]

126. I suppose it's distraction

Just like the many comments about Darfur are meant to distract from Israel’s actions.

[regnaD kciN]

78. No one with any humanity can possibly defend that...

…just as no one with any humanity can defend Israel killing tens of thousands of Gazan children since then. Agreed?

[Mossfern]

90. You must bring a 'whatabout'

Why?

[iemanja]

122. Absolutely.

[Mossfern]

88. Why can't we mourn the loss of these innocents

and be appalled at the Palestinians celebrating their deaths without another
"WHAT ABOUT?"

None of the family killed or harmed Palestinians.
They were babies and a mom for goodness sake.

[mcar]

92. This!

[iemanja]

107. Horrific

And indefensible.

[Iggo]

115. No excuse. Add it to the list of atrocities.

[Richard D]

128. Those precious, beautiful babies

Were strangled to death. Then they mutilated their bodies. Probably a lot worse was done to them and their beautiful mother.