With Coffins and Taunts, Hamas Hands Dead Hostages to Israel

[Coventina]

Hamas handed over on Thursday what it said were the remains of four Israelis taken hostage during the Oct. 7, 2023, attack on Israel, including a woman and her two young children whose abduction was widely seen as emblematic of the viciousness of the Hamas assault.

Crowds of Palestinians gathered near the southern Gaza city of Khan Younis to watch the theatrical handoff staged by Hamas: four coffins placed on a stage in front of a cartoonish, vampiric picture of Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister. Triumphant music thumped in the background.

One casket bore a picture of Kfir Bibas, who was less than nine months old when he was kidnapped. A few yards away, a poster threatened that if Israel went back to war against Hamas, even more hostages would return in coffins.

Miles away, Israelis watched the scene unfold in horror and anguish, a sharp contrast to the catharsis evoked by the recent releases of hostages who had survived. Israel’s leaders had vowed to topple Hamas and bring home the roughly 250 hostages the militant group and its allies abducted in October 2023.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/20/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-hostages-bodies.html

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Wow! Such bravery to kill two small children and their mother!!

[RandySF]

1. I hate Hamas.

[flamingdem]

3. Have they made a statement about Trump's Riviera

in Gaza comments?

[Mossfern]

11. How is that relevant?

n/t

[LeftInTX]

51. Listen for yourself!

They seem very afraid! It's party time!

&ab_channel=TheTimesandTheSundayTimes

[JustAnotherGen]

2. Hamas

are fucking monsters.

[Dave Bowman]

5. Hostage takers are always monsters. I wish them the worst.

[Dave Bowman]

4. Anyone related to Hamas can fuck off. That being said, from what I've read there's apparently several hostages that

where killed by IDF bombings.

[Biophilic]

6. And thus, Hamas is responsible for their deaths.

[Coventina]

7. Thank you. N/T

[Dave Bowman]

8. Of course Hamas started it but IDF's massive indiscriminate bombings are responsible for the death of

some Israeli hostages.

[mcar]

10. Stop. Just stop

Those hostages wouldn't have been in Gaza if Hamas hadn't kidnapped and brought them there. A 9-month-old baby? They are monsters - no equivocation.

[Dave Bowman]

12. Stop? Yeah, there's a genocide going on and it has to stop.

[cabotnn22]

20. the only genocide in the world where people get fatter and the population increases n/t

[AloeVera]

24. You haven't seen many Palestinian kids lately, I gather. Maybe take a look.

Generally when food aid is denied and reduced by 90%, people tend to lose weight. A lot of it. Especially kids and babies.

Oh and how was a census taken? During the carpet bombing or was it later - with no functioning infrastructure, demolished govt buildings and no civil service? Oh there WAS no census, just some good propaganda?

[Dave Bowman]

25. Please stop it with facts, they don't care and won't be convinced that they're wrong when they are.

Sounds familiar, isn't it?

[AloeVera]

28. 100% truth.

Who doesn't care about facts and truth, though? What level of brainwashing, years of propaganda, dehumanization or tribalism/exceptionalism does that take?

We make fun of magas and yet... here we are.

[Dave Bowman]

33. Yes, here we unfortunately are. :(

[cabotnn22]

31. Oh, I saw plenty of them today at the handover

They were cheering and celebrating over the coffins of the Bibas family. Yeah, great kids. Amazing. They'll contribute greatly to humanity.

[Mountainguy]

35. This

Masses of people that look plenty well clothed and fed, most holding up smartphones and dancing/singing/cheering/chanting.

[AloeVera]

44. Well, good thing we starved them then.

And killed 18,000 of them, including a thousand BABIES.

Horrible children, all million of them. Grow up to be terrorists too probably.

This might be needed:

[Beastly Boy]

47. Or maybe we shouldn't have brought them up so gratuitously and so out of place.

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Maybe then we wouldn't have had to fall back on sarcasm smilies to deflect attention from our previously flopped posts.

[Beastly Boy]

46. I have seen them. Very lately. Have you? Maybe you should take a look

?quality=75&auto=webp

[LeftInTX]

52. There are plenty in the crowd.

&ab_channel=TheTimesandTheSundayTimes

Link to tweet

[AloeVera]

55. You see the kids as terrorists? Nt

[Beastly Boy]

56. Deflecting much?

What I see is these kids surrounded by terrorists, and neither showing any signs of malnutrition. Don't you?

The question is, do you see any of them, particularly the children, starving lately? Because this us what you implied: "You haven't seen many Palestinian kids lately, I gather. Maybe take a look. Generally when food aid is denied and reduced by 90%, people tend to lose weight." (https://democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20053549). Remember? No?

And that's in a thread about the Bibas babies kidnapped and murdered by the aforementioned not starving and very much not genocided terrorists. No shame.

[LeftInTX]

58. You implied that kids were dead. There were plenty of kids in the crowd. .

[AloeVera]

59. Read my post again please.

I replied to a poster who denied a genocide because Palestinians are "getting fatter" for one. I don't know about you, but that is an absurd, fact-free statement to me. I suggested the poster take a better look at the emaciated kids, especially in the north.

In the same vein as your misinterpretation, I could have misinterpreted your post as referring to "fat terrorist" Palestinian kids.

Your inclusion of the Hen Mazzig X post seems an indication to me that you believe those kids are culpable of "celebrating" as many of Israel's propagandists are claiming. Am I wrong? You don't believe they are celebrating the Bibas childrens' deaths - do you?

Personally, I don't believe that, fwiw.

[LeftInTX]

60. Hamas created a festive atmosphere.

It is sad that Hamas created a festive atmosphere and brought the kids along. It should have been solemn event or at least a formality, not a party. But Hamas turned into one.

Since the kids are various ages, there are different levels of comprehension.

[AloeVera]

61. Yes. It was a Hamas production, using the kids as props.

But that is a far cry from claiming that the kids celebrated other kids' deaths, isn't it?

Note that the video is missing a helpful translation. As would be the case if they were chanting "Death to Israel" or some such.

For all we know the kids could be chanting "Get off our land" or "You tried to kill us but we're still here" or "Hey, Netanyahu, soaked in blood, hope you burn in hell" - things along those lines, you know.

And the fact remains that those kids may be on that podium - as you helpfully pointed out - but 18,000 other kids are dead.

The other fact is that kids are kids, and those kids endured 15 months of pure hell - as far as I'm concerned they deserve our love and support, no matter how old or their level of "comprehension" - which, being kids, is dependent on what they have been exposed to. NOT THEIR FAULT.

I'm always saddened to see that Palestinian kids are not even allowed to be children - when they are not being used as props for propaganda, starved, abducted and imprisoned, or for target practice and weapons testing.

Compare that to how Israeli children's lives are treated - with love, light, care - the proper, moral way, as it should be.

There is a vast ocean between the two and I find that extremely unjust and disturbing. It needs to change.

[Beastly Boy]

62. There is no "genocide" to deny.

And the poster you replied to made it clear, hence the reference to getting fatter. It was a sarcastic remark to remind you that proof of existence of genocide is on you, and you are falling way short. Case in point: taking a look at emaciated kids, "lately", in your words. The poster met your challenge, took a look, and gave you a look. That look showed the opposite of what you claim. Your reply failed to address it. Instead, you deflected to something you just made up: you insinuated, out of the blue, that the poster regarded the kids in the picture you saw as terrorists.

And now you are taking down your own strawman: it seems to you that it seems to the poster that including an image you saw seems to indicate to you that the poster believes those kids are culpable of "celebrating" the Bibas children's deaths. Meanwhile, the real, unimagined, documented fact of the Hamas abhorrent shitshow depicting a celebration of the Bibas children's deaths, a celebration which finally shook the world out of its tacit tolerance of the unimaginable sadistic brutality of the Hamas regime it imposed on Gaza, whizzes right past you.

Way to go!

[Dave Bowman]

39. "the only genocide in the world where people get fatter and the population increases"

Yeah, right, they are even morbidity obese:

[MarineCombatEngineer]

66. Genocide?

Methinks you have no idea what true genocide is, but do carry on.

[Cha]

16. She's right... the Hostages wouldn't have been in

Gaza If Hamas hadn't Invaded and Sadistically Killed Innocent Israelis, And taken Innocent Babies, Children, and Mothers and Dad's Hostage.

Fuck GD Hamas and their fucking LIES.

[cabotnn22]

18. Of all days

Show a bit of humanity.

[Dave Bowman]

26. "Show a bit of humanity."

Mmright, tens of thousands of People killed, mostly innocent people, Dump and Bibbi can't wait to level what's left and deport millions of people and you are talking about "humanity"? Are you fine with what's going on? You are on the wrong side of History, I'm afraid.

[cabotnn22]

32. I'm not the one siding with terrorists

So spare me. Hamas didn't even return the right body. Shiri Bibas's body is still somewhere in Gaza. They put Hamas pamphlets in their coffins. Hamas needs to be decimated.

[Dave Bowman]

40. Lol, so I'm siding with terrorists? Really?

OK, you must be right because you are never wrong. But when the dust settles down don't come winning something like "but I didn't know! I swear that I didnt know!" That would sound like the worst cliché ever.

[Biophilic]

27. No, I have disagree.

The people who took them as hostages and allowed them to be vulnerable to attack are responsible.

[Meowmee]

42. H is responsible for ALL the deaths on and since 10/7

[Dave Bowman]

14. That's quite a syllogism. Well, if that helps you sleep at night...

[lapucelle]

13. I've read that Hamas has made that claim. Today Hamas threatened

to send more hostages home in coffins.

[Dave Bowman]

17. Hamas can go to hell but IDF did kill hostages and it's a fact:

"Israeli troops killed hostages, mistaking their cries for help as ambush -military

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-troops-killed-hostages-mistaking-their-cries-help-ambush-military-2023-12-28/

Israeli military admits ‘high probability’ it mistakenly killed hostages

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/sep/15/israeli-military-admits-high-probability-it-mistakenly-killed-hostages

[cabotnn22]

21. None of which would have happened if Hamas and Gazans hadn't taken hostages

The Bibas family were kidnapped, taken hostage, and died solely because a group of Gazans (not Hamas) decided to do it.

[lapucelle]

23. Sorry, that doesn't work on me. Absent the taking of hostages, none of the hostages would be dead.

And absent Hamas's protracted, brutal, up-close-and-personal 12 hour rape, kidnap, and murder spree on October 7, none of the civilians killed in the war would be dead either.

[Mountainguy]

36. Trying to equate

friendly fire in the fog of war vs executing a baby they took captive.

[Mountainguy]

34. "According to Hamas"

being a major asterisk.

[Beastly Boy]

43. And who, may I ask, abducted them. made them hostages and held them in close proximity to where their leaders

were hiding during IDF bombings?

You can't fuck them off that nonchalantly.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

45. Which, if true, would make HAMAs fucking responsible.

You're being pretty transparent here.

[mcar]

9. Horrific

[LetMyPeopleVote]

15. The Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia has spoken about the scenes in Gaza today of Palestinians cheering on the coffins

The Muslim religious leader was rightfully appalled at the transfer of the coffins by Hamas

Link to tweet

Here is what the Grand Mufti was describing

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[Cha]

19. TY for this, LMPV...

[LetMyPeopleVote]

22. In my county, I am friends with a number of Muslim county precinct chairs

The reaction of this Islamic religious leader does not surprise me

[WDLAL]

29. No wonder other Muslim countries don't want to take in Palestinians.

Too many of them are inhuman filth. I wish decent Palestinians would take out the trash.

[Dave Bowman]

49. Where did I've heard that before? "inhuman filth."

🤔

[WDLAL]

54. Was it directed at people because of who they were or what they did?

I have a problem with it for who they are. If their actions have earned the designation, as in this case, they are inhuman filth.

[AloeVera]

63. Yeah, well...

Demonization is a well-known tactic in the incitement to genocide used by the Nazis. As well as justifying unjust wars, slavery, and evil-doing and oppression of any kind of course.

Far easier to kill without remorse if you think your victims are sub-human. Or, if you can convince others of that, far better chance of escaping accountability for your crimes.

We know what's coming, right?

[Dave Bowman]

65. Yes, History is repeating itself. :(

[WDLAL]

67. I hope you aren't comparing innocent Jews in Germany to Palestinians celebrating

around coffins containing the remains of innocent Jews that they slaughtered.

And notice that I said that I wished decent Palestinians would take out the trash, since it is their trash. I didn’t advocate that anyone else do it.

If you slaughter innocents, you deserve to be dehumanized because that is inhuman.

[Arazi]

30. Just heard one of the bodies is not Shiri Bibas

Reading that on Bluesky so not confirmed yet. The two children have been identified.

It’s a random female body, not any hostage

[Danmel]

37. It has been confirmed

Sick Savages.
Their poor father/husband.
Lost his entire family and now still had no idea where his wife and the mother of his dead babies is.

[Arazi]

38. Yup, just went for a link. It's a serious breach of the agreement

Tried to bamboozle Israel. A huge mistake on Hamas’ part

https://bbc.com/news/articles/cjry3jzedl1o

One of four bodies returned from Gaza to Israel on Thursday is not hostage Shiri Bibas, as claimed by Hamas, the Israeli military said. The news that Shiri Bibas, 33, and her two sons, Ariel and Kfir, who would now be aged five and two, were dead triggered an outpouring of grief in Israel.

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) has informed the Bibas family that the bodies of her sons have been identified after their remains were given to Israel by Hamas on Thursday.

But the third body was not that of their mother, the IDF says. It demanded the return of her body along with the other remaining hostages. Hamas has not yet commented on Israel's claim.

"During the identification process, it was determined that the additional body received is not that of Shiri Bibas, and no match was found for any other hostage. This is an anonymous, unidentified body," the IDF posted on X.

[Meowmee]

41. Disgusting and a war crime of the many they've committed

For anyone who isn’t aware of it yet, Ariel and Kfir were brutally murdered one month after they were kidnapped on 10/7. Shiri’s body is still missing since they returned someone else’s body who can’t be identified yet. Fuck H and everyone who supports them in any way.

[AloeVera]

48. Netanyahu refused to take their bodies 15 months ago.

Hamas told Israel in November 2023 the Bibas family were killed in an Israeli airstrike. They offered to return the bodies and release their hostage father to attend their funeral.

Instead, Netanyahu chose to torment the father and the Bibas family in Israel for 15 more months. Why? Why would he merely say it was a psyop and ignore Hamas' claim, rather than call their bluff and say ok, return them if they are dead?

The answer lies in who Netanyahu and his deranged right-wing Ministers are, and what they wanted to accomplish in Gaza.

Those innocent children, their lives and their deaths were weaponized and continue to be as we will now see a resumption of Israel's murder of innocents.

That - to me at least - is horrific.

The children were "brutally murdered", without a doubt. Whether by indiscriminate bombing - as were the 18,000 Palestinian children - or by Hamas, is a question Israel will never allow us to independently, impartially answer and verify.

We can agree that it was inhuman and a war crime to take children hostage. I just think it's inhuman and a war crime to murder children by any means, including indiscriminate bombing. Even in "war" - which btw this never was.

[Beastly Boy]

50. So now, the torment of the Bibas family is not Hamas' fault.

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Gawd, this is pathetic! And exceedingly disturbing.

[Lancero]

53. Hamas went out of their way to kill Israeli's willing to help them too.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/oded-lifshitz-hostage-slain-by-islamic-jihad-was-journalist-and-peace-activist/

In particular, he spent the last years of his life helping Gazans access better medical care in Israeli hospitals. And what does the Gazan government (ie, Hamas) do in thanks, for his years of trying to help their people? They kill him.

[Happy Hoosier]

57. That's incredibly gross. NT

[LexVegas]

64. Some people refer to these animals as freedom fighters. They accused President Biden of being complicit in genocide.

This was part of an effort to get Trump elected.