Israel brutally killed at least 17,400 children in Gaza. How can anyone defend that?

[HereForTheParty]

Hm?

[Big Blue Marble]

1. Easy, you just blame it on Hamas.

That is the best rationalization available.

[Traildogbob]

27. I was gonna say

Easy, glue your ass to Fox, get a red hat and say Jesus a whole lot. And being a white American male with all that helps.

[malaise]

2. Thank you

Rec

[maxsolomon]

3. It would have been impossible to bomb around the children.

Hamas/Sinwar's intention for 10/7 was to provoke Israel into an indiscriminate reaction. They chose to sacrifice 1,000s of Gazans - of every age. Israel, in its grief and fury, gave Hamas exactly what they wanted.

Spite is when you hurt yourself to hurt another.

Neither party to this 80-year fight has a better idea than killing babies.

[Sewa]

4. I've seen many posters defend it on this site

Pretty disgusting for a Democratic site 😡💀

[Mossfern]

46. NOBODY

defended killing children.
Please document your claim or delete your post.

[AloeVera]

93. I must have been hallucinating or arguing with myself for 15 months.

Yet I recall vividly the many times the bullshit human shields story was pushed right here and I fought against repeatedly. In vain, I might add. The story that was used to DEFEND - rationalize- the needless and shameful indiscriminate killing of CHILDREN.

There were no human shields in Gaza.They were innocent women, children and men who were in the way of Israel's primary goal of of total annihilation and incineration of the Gaza Strip.

The 92% of residential homes that have been destroyed or damaged is proof of that. Hamas was not hiding behind women and children in all those buildings. Those homes had to be destroyed to enact revenge and to further Israel's long-term goals of Israeli sovereignty from the River to the Sea at the expense of Palestinians.

With horror, we watched it all happen. We don't want a repeat.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

59. What bullshit is this?

Nobody is defending the killing of children, but the bottom line is that if the terrorist org., HAMAs, hadn't viciously attacked Israel on 10/7, raping, mutilating, killing and kidnapping innocent civilians, then none of this would have happened, so those children's deaths, and all the deaths in Gaza are on HAMA's shoulders and the Palestinians who supported them in this heinous attack on Israel.

Take you nonsense elsewhere.

[Ms. Toad]

69. In your post denying anyone was defending Israel's bombing of children, you did exactly that.

Attempting to shift the blame for choices made by Israel IS defending the actions arising from that choice.

That is not to say others are blameless, but saying, "Johnny made me do it" when you've just slugged Johnny is not a defense in elementary school, and it is not a defense now. Everyone is responsible for their own actions.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

75. Bullshit.

Last edited Fri Feb 21, 2025, 06:32 PM - Edit history (1)

Those children would still be alive today if HAMAs hadn't viciously attacked Israel on 10/7 and their deaths are on HAMAs and HAMAs only AFAIC and nothing you say will change my mind of the facts so save your reply to me because I really don't care what you think.
Is that clear enough?

[JohnSJ]

80. Thank-you, that is exactly right. Hamas owns this tragedy. If they didn't do October 7, this would have never happened

When Hamas leadership said Palestinian deaths are a necessary sacrifice, and the sick MF actually relished it.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/11/middleeast/sinwar-hamas-israel-ceasefire-hostage-talks-intl/index.html

[Ms. Toad]

83. And those children would be alive today if Israel has not bombed civilian targets in Gaza.

Israel had a choice, and they are responsible for the consequences of that choice.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

84. I'm curious,

what part of I don't care what you think don't you understand?

[Ms. Toad]

86. You are not the only person reading this thread.

So when you make condescending commentary on what I said, I'll respond if I feel like it.

[calguy]

78. With all due respect as a fellow DU'er

But in my opinion, your way of thinking on this contributed to us losing the election to trump. Thanks to your way of thinking, it is very likely that we, under president trump, will bulldoze the entirety of Gaza and turn it into a gambling resort for the richest people in the world. What happens to the Palestinians now? Answer is: “Who the fuck cares? It certainly won’t be the United States.”

[Ms. Toad]

81. Nonsense.

Please cite any post I have ever made which suggested not voting for Harris (or Biden before her) because of concerns about Palestians.

That said, their exclusion exacerbated the concerns of Palestinians and those who see Netanyahu's actions as beyond the pale. While I don't agree with not voting, Biden and Harris's choice in excluding them almost entirely from the Democratic platform pushed them farther away. It was an unforced error.

[sarisataka]

5. Why is it when something is said that makes Hamas look bad

a 'but Israel' post follows almost immediately?

[Bad Thoughts]

7. Retraumatization

Because we call out Hamas when we hurt, they want us to hurt more.

[AloeVera]

88. No. Because we have been hurting for 15 months.

For the 18,000 dead children.

We wanted to remind you that they should have mattered too. That they DO matter.

And because we see where this is going. More dead Palestinian children.

[Bad Thoughts]

89. The Gazan children should have mattered to Hamas

Hamas made risky decisions in their name by choosing to do a military invasion. They should have stopped themselves for the sake of their children.

Don't start wars.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

91. Exactly, thank you.

This is the point I've been trying to get across, but some just don't get it, if the terrorist org., HAMAs, hadn't invaded Israel on 10/7, then none of this would have happened.

[AloeVera]

92. Gaza's children should matter to everybody.

Just like Israeli children or any other child.

The obvious reality that they actually don't matter much and can be slaughtered indiscriminately is what is wrong and shameful.

[Mountainguy]

9. Very telling

that when somebody starts an anti-hamas thread, someone else feels the need to respond with an anti-Israel thread. "BuT NoBoDy Is DeFeNdInG HaMaS!"

[ratchiweenie]

41. Why is it when something is said that makes Israel look bad

a "but Hamas" post follows almost immediately?

See how easy that is? They are both disgusting and wrong where the war is concerned.

[sarisataka]

64. It is easy to say, but is not true

if you are speaking of OPs.

In a thread about Hamas there likely will be back and forth accusations. What I am referring to is exemplified by this OP. A post was made about the murder of Israeli children in Hamas hands. Shortly after, this post is made. It has been a trend over the last year and more that when a Hamas atrocity is posted there will so be a following anti-Israel OP.

Also if one has been paying attention, you will see a certain lack of commentary condemning Hamas actions by the OPs.

[question everything]

68. Lack of any comments by the OP. Just throwing a flame and then moved to other areas

[MarineCombatEngineer]

60. Strange isn't it. nt

[Behind the Aegis]

62. Strange? No. Expected? Absolutely. n/t

[MarineCombatEngineer]

63. Damn it,

I forgot to include this:

[Behind the Aegis]

65. LOL! I know. I was adding to your sarcasm, with some of my own...

...well, more truth, like your comment.

Like the rising and setting of the sun, some things are just predictable.

[Bad Thoughts]

6. Hamas started the war.

They have the right to lose a war they started. And when representatives of peoples start wars, it is their people who suffer. Only Hamas is to blame.

[Big Blue Marble]

11. This "war" was started a long time ago.

It is far more complicated than Hamas started this war. They started this battle
in a long struggle that has cost both sides. The Palestinian People, the natives of the land,
have truly suffered the most harm over decades.

[Bad Thoughts]

12. On October 6, 2023, there was a ceasefire.

Hamas broke the ceasefire with an invasion--a military action--, and in the process raped and massacred civilians.

They started a war. They got the war they wanted. And more than 2/3rds of Gazans supported them.

[Big Blue Marble]

13. Breaking a ceasefire is not starting a war.

By definition, there has to be an ongoing war to start or break a ceasefire.


I do not really think that you are an appropriate spokesman for the people of Gaza.
When has anyone asked them what they want? Mostly I suspect they want food,
water, electricity, schools for their children and health care facilities to care for
their sick. All things they have been denied for 17 months.

[Bad Thoughts]

15. Gazans have spoken for themselves

They voted for Hamas.
They paraded with Israelis, dead and alive, through the streets, cheering and taking pictures.
They paraded with a woman bleeding from her vagina.

They supported Hamas. Poll after poll shows their supported.
They supported Hamas when the water pipes were unearthed to make rockets.
Read that again: they chose to be thirsty in order to kill Israelis.

And they showed their support when releasing corposes today.
Their children danced and sang in joy as ICRR picked up the coffins desecrated with slogans.

[Big Blue Marble]

16. Your compassion and your ability to process

complex and complicated situations with suffering on all sides is duly noted.

[Bad Thoughts]

18. My compassion is fine

No Gazans, no Israelis should have died. The actions of Hamas created a security crisis that required armed intervention. No state anywhere in the world would forgo a military reaction to a military action.

[Big Blue Marble]

20. Are you willing to acknowledge that Israel has culpability in this "war?"

Are you able to recognize that they committed war crimes in Gaza that will
only strengthen Hamas and their ability to recruit new members? After one
year and a half of relentless bombing and destruction, Hamas continues to
be viable because of the anger the Gazans feel for the loss of so many
lives and and wanton destruction of their homes and society. Both sides
have failed.

[Beastly Boy]

23. Are you willing to acknowledge that the culpability for starting the war is on Hamas?

Are you willing to acknowledge that Israel's actions were a response to what Hamas initiated?

If not, you have no standing to ask about Israel's culpability.

[Mountainguy]

99. I'm still trying to wrap my head around how

anyone can clam the Palestinian are natives when the Jews were there since the Iron Age and Palestinians showed up after the conquest of the area by the Ottomans.

[LeftInTX]

25. You think dancing and singing in front of dead kids

coffins is compassionate?????

[moniss]

29. Can I find your comments of condemnation somewhere

for the IDF soldiers posting videos of themselves doing crazy crap regarding prisoners and dead Palestinians?

[LeftInTX]

30. That's also wrong. But it's OK if Hamas does it?

[moniss]

33. Did I say that? I have been unequivocal for a very,

very long time condemning all parties.

[Big Blue Marble]

35. No I think it is horrible.

The compassion I ask about is for the children of Gaza, Israel, Ukraine, Africa and everywhere
that children are forced to suffer the insufficiencies of the adults who repeatedly resort to
inflicting violence on adults and children alike. In this, Israel and Hamas share the blame.

[Mariana]

17. Nearly half of the current population hadn't been born yet when "they voted for Hamas".

[Orrex]

19. Those are fantastic arguments for the all-out destruction of Hamas

Those arguments have absolutely nothing to do with Netanyahu's deliberate murder of tens of thousands of Palestinian children.

Let's eliminate three bullshit rationalizations:
"Hamas started it." Ok. How many Palestinian children does Netanyahu get to murder with impunity before that bullshit excuse loses steam?

"Hamas members were hiding nearby." Ok, by that bullshit logic, every terrorist attack by Hamas can be hand-waved away by asserting that members of the IDF were nearby.

"They voted for Hamas." Who did? Who exactly? Of the current Gaza population, how many were old enough to vote for Hamas in the last election? And how many did so by choice rather than under duress?

Trump won the 2024 election. Can enemies of the US murder us with impunity because "we voted for Trump?"


Hamas is a vile terrorist cult that must be eliminated to its last member. Slaughtering tens of thousands of Palestinian children will not accomplish that.

[Beastly Boy]

34. Why stop there? Let's eliminate just one other bullshit rationalization, OK?

Who is responsible for keeping the Palestinian children out of harm's way? In the language of the Fourth Geneva Convention, "ART. 29. — The Party to the conflict in whose hands protected persons may be, is responsible for the treatment accorded to them
by its agents, irrespective of any individual responsibility which may be incurred."

In whose hands were the Palestinian children during the war? What was the treatment accorded to them by the party in whose hands they were? Oh yeah, Hamas had the means of protecting and feeding them them, the opportunity to protect and feed them, but no motive to protect them whatsoever. In fact, the children's leaders repeatedly went on record to articulate their motives: to "martyr" as many Palestinian civilians as possible, children and all.

Not only did Hamas fail in their responsibility to protect them, they deliberately exposed the children, by placing their armed militants among them at will and at every opportunity, to mortal danger inevitable during wartime. It wasn't a bug in their strategy, it was a feature. Not a single Palestinian child was found in the safety of Hamas tunnels full of stolen food, water and fuel. Not a single civilian. Not a single Hamas terrorist was found starving outside the protection of the tunnels, schools and hospitals they hid inside in blatant violation of international law.

Talk to Hamas about what slaughtering tens of thousands of Palestinian children would accomplish.They appear to have had that idea first.

[Beastly Boy]

22. When you violate a cease fire by crossing the international border, massacring 1000 civilians on the other side,

take 200 of them hostage and send 5000 missiles across the border into civilian population centers, make no mistake: you are starting a war. A war that is certain to deny civilians the necessities of living peacefully as you described them.

And if you want to nitpick technicalities, you are re-starting the war that the previous cease fire put a stop to. The consequences described in your concerns are absolutely identical.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

61. Well then maybe HAMAs shouldn't have broken a working cease fire

and attacked Israel?
Think maybe all this wouldn't have happened if only HAMAs had stayed on their side of the border?

[EdmondDantes_]

24. And Israel was breaking international law by continuing to expand their settlements

No side is innocent in this. Palestinians voted for Hamas, Hamas is a terrorist organization, Israelites voted for their own right wing government giving more power to those looking to expand. Nearby Arab countries have long used the Palestinians to distract from their own authoritarian governments. The US and Europe haven't been good at investing in peace there. All of the killing sucks and unfortunately it seems likely to continue given nobody seems willing to look "weak" by honestly negotiating, or maybe nobody has enough strength within their own group to actually take the risk of moving towards peace.

The situation isn't nearly as one sided as either side wants to admit.

[Beastly Boy]

36. In Gaza?

I understand that the situation isn't nearly as one-sided, but how do false equivalencies help this situation?

[moniss]

28. Israel was caught conducting covert operations in Gaza during

that supposed ceasefire as well. As I have said many times before the whole thing is one continuous, long "getting at each other" with disingenuous governments all around the Middle East and the world claiming how they "care" when their true motivation is always shown to be their own interests. You can go all the way back to Sikes-Picot etc.

[Beastly Boy]

37. Did any of those alleged covert operations involve taking hostages?

Did any of them end the cease fire and restart the war?

[intheflow]

45. An argument can be made that covert operations restarted the war.

Spying is, after all, an international war crime. Settlers continued to move into Gaza after the ceasefire agreement that banned settler expansion into the West Bank. You might consider them benign, nonviolent actions but to Palestinians, and most of the World Court, Israel was not keeping its ceasefire promises, violated international law, and thus, instigated the violent end to the ceasefire.

[Beastly Boy]

47. That argument cannot be made: the fact is the covert operations didn't restart the war. Hamas attack on Israel did.

This is the reason I didn't even question the accuracy of the allegations. I don't need to debate opinions when I have facts.

[intheflow]

50. Is spying illegal?

Is ignoring international law and ceasefire agreements illegal? Part of the ceasefire was that settlers wouldn't move to Gaza any more. Israel violated that agreement, and thus, brought the bombing upon themselves.

And before you try to spin this as I'm antisemitic, let me just add, I don't conflate the Israel government with the Israeli people. as you do. So let me recap:: Israeli government bad, Israeli people good. Many, many Jews in Israel do not approve of Netanyahu's actions in Gaza, as evidenced by the ever-increasing calls to remove him and his rightwing government. So you don't like Trump's authoritarianism but you seem just fine with Netanyahu's.

[Beastly Boy]

90. Yes it is. So is jaywalking. Neither constitutes violaion unless it disregards the specific terms of the agreement.

You have yet to move beyond speculation and innuendo in demonstrating what you allege to be violations by Israel which, according your rather odd statement, "brought the bombing (of Israel?) upon themselves". Hamas, on the other hand, ENDED the cease fire, thus rendering the entire agreement null and void. You know about comparing apples to pork bellies, no?

And don't get prematurely defensive - it takes a lot more than you've got to trigger me into calling anyone an antisemite.

[sarisataka]

49. Where do you get the idea spying is a war crime?

Spies are protected under the Hague and Geneva Conventions against summary punishment. If the "spy" is a military person in uniform, they are not even considered spy under international law.

[intheflow]

52. First, the Hague decision only applies to wartime spying.

It's unclear if a ceasefire during a conflict is still considered a war as a ceasefire is only a stop-gap measure an not a formal end to hostilities. But let's go with the assumption that a ceasefire = peace, as the claim seems to be that Hamas broke the peace on Oct 7. Peacetime spying is likely illegal in international law, as per the Chicago Journal of International Law (from the University of Chicago Law School): https://cjil.uchicago.edu/print-archive/enforcing-prohibition-international-espionage#heading-2.

[sarisataka]

53. It can be illegal but it is not a "war crime"

Enforcement is left to the countries, not the ICC

[intheflow]

54. Fair enough.

[uponit7771]

82. That's not a justification for needlessly trusting BB not to murder

[Mosby]

8. Hamas killed 17,400 kids.

How can any liberal defend that?

What the fuck happened to progressives?

I thought we were the smart ones?

[cabotnn22]

10. Hamas killed children in Gaza, not Israel

Hamas uses human shields. War sucks and there is always collateral damage, unfortunately. If Hamas hadn't attacked Israel, those kids would be alive.

The fact that you can't tell the difference between war vs deliberately invading people's homes, killing them, their pets, abducting innocent civilians and holding them hostage is absolutely amazing to me. Unfuckingbelievable.

And now, because of Hamas's actions, more Palestinians will die. After they brutally murdered two children and didn't even return the mother's body with them - they stuffed an unknown body into Shiri's casket - there is no way the ceasefire will hold.

Oh, and Hamas admitted to planting bombs in Tel Aviv buses today. The only reason they went off when no one was on them was because Hamas were too stupid to tell time and set the detonator with the wrong hour.

Hamas needs to be wiped out and, God willing, they will be. No fucking mercy for them. And to be honest, after seeing the celebratory mood from Hamas and the Gazans as the bodies were handed over today - the cheering, the music - I really don't care what happens to the "citizens" of Gaza. They are Hamas.

Even in Nazi Germany there were Germans who risked their lives to help the Jews. In Gaza? Not one person did a damned thing.

[Violet_Crumble]

31. A questionnaire n for everyone who recced that post

'- I really don't care what happens to the "citizens" of Gaza. They are Hamas.'

I saw one of you a few posts up asking what had become of progressives and liberals. Liberals and progressives don't approve of bigoted shit like that comment. It's exactly the same as me saying ' I really don't care what happens to the "citizens" of the US. They are MAGA.'

[Beastly Boy]

39. As someone who rec'd the post, I must point out that its premise has been taken completely out of context.

If you want your questioned answered correctly, here is what it pertains to, and this is what I will respond to:

"And to be honest, after seeing the celebratory mood from Hamas and the Gazans as the bodies were handed over today - the cheering, the music - I really don't care what happens to the "citizens" of Gaza. They are Hamas."

It was on you to be accurate about what you are asking for, and you failed to do so. But now that the discrepancy between your version and the original has been made clear, I can answer you without hesitation:

No, I don't care for the people being referred to in this quote. If they cheer for Hamas, they ARE Hamas. Naturally, I am not, and neither did the post you are questioning, refer to the Palestinians who didn't cheer for Hamas. So let's not pretend that this is what prompted your questioning. This is not even close to being exactly the same as you saying ' I really don't care what happens to the "citizens" of the US. They are MAGA.'

Notwithstanding this failed attempt at false equivalency, the MAGA sentiment you equivocate with what has been actually said is not exactly unheard of among progressives and liberals.

[RandomNumbers]

14. You misspelled Hamas. nt

[TomSlick]

21. The Israel / Hamas conflict needs a good leaving alone here.

Hamas is a terrorist organization that terrorizes Palestinians and Israel. Israel is an ostensibly civilized state that indiscriminately bombs civilian areas and seeks to deny humanitarian civilian aid.

While both sides are fairly subject to criticism, however anyone here criticizing Hamas is anti-Palestinian, while anyone criticizing the Israeli government is anti-Semitic. The dispute is not susceptible to rational debate here.

[OAITW r.2.0]

26. I think it was Israel's 9/11.

You know, shock and awe. Bibi was colluding with Hamas before the attack. Did he get played? Or was this to keep him from being held accountable for corruption?

[Sneederbunk]

32. And like 9/11 the response was ultimately crazy.

[maxsolomon]

44. I'd argue it was a normal expected response for homo sapiens, not crazy.

10/7 was intended to cloud Israel's reason and provoke a violent reaction that was ultimately short-sighted.

What did 10/7 cost Israel? The support of most of the planet - except for US Zionists. That is Hamas' "victory".

[H2O Man]

38. Killing babies & children is wrong.

There is no justification, no matter who does it.

[question everything]

42. IDF: Captors of Bibas children 'brutally murdered them with their bare hands'

Military spokesperson dismisses Hamas claims Kfir and Ariel Bibas killed in Israeli airstrike, says captors mutilated bodies to cover up the crime and demands return of their mother Shiri Bibas

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/by9cdwiqyx

[intheflow]

48. Question Everything... unless it comes from IDF's spokespeople.

Then it's the god-honest truth.

We have no idea what really happened with those children. It is equally likely that they were killed by Hamas or by Israeli bombs. No one has seen the bodies so we have no way of knowing if the bodies bombed or tortured. I don't have any trust in the truth of what either side says at this point.

[question everything]

51. Did you bother to read? Yes, IDF spokespeople. And their father was notified and saw the unspeakable

[Arazi]

56. Hamas videotaped the father getting the news that his kids were murdered

Hamas played the tape of the shocked and weeping father as propaganda over and over and you’re questioning whether Hamas might have deliberately killed them?

[madaboutharry]

57. The bodies have indeed been seen.

They were examined by forensic scientists who terminated that they were murdered with "bare hands and then mutilated."

[AloeVera]

96. "Mutilated to cover up their crime" is what I read.

How awful if true.

Do we know it's true? We don't.

Israeli pathologists also claimed to show the body of a burned baby. Yet there were no babies burned on Oct 7th.

Forgive my skepticism. What happened to the Bibas children is horrible and the truth of what happened is important. For their memory but also for the sake of the still living kids who may soon be dead at the hands of Israel.

I find it hard to believe that Hamas - or another group - would murder their prized hostages and in the middle of a ceasefire, no less. Then immediately, still during the 2023 ceasefire, not only inform Israel but offer to return their bodies and release their father as well.

It was a risky move on their part, especially if indeed they had killed the children themselves. The evidence would have been fresh and undeniable. The outrage would have done what it is doing now, 15 months later: guarantee more bombardment, more killing.

I also question why Netanyahu chose to ignore Hamas' claim the children and their mother had been killed. I think those poor children were used by him. He made the determination they were more useful to him for people to hope they were still alive while he continued his rampage on Gaza. Then, 15 months later, he determined knowledge of their deaths would now be more useful - to kill any chance of the 2025 ceasefire progressing to Phase II. This is why the return of dead hostages was included in the final stage of Phase I.

It's diabolical, like what bombs and missiles do to young bodies. They mutilate horribly.

Does it not make more sense that the Bibas family were killed by bombs that cause actual mutilation, than to believe that Hamas killed them against their own best interests and then diabolically mutilated them to "cover up their crime" and then risked exposure and condemnation?

To me it looks like the Israeli findings were a foregone conclusion and a case of starting with a premise or desired conclusion and then looking for "evidence" to prove it. Of course Israel does not want to admit its indiscriminate bombing killed that family.

But of course you can believe what you want, as can we all. A little critical thinking is important, though, when both sides lie. Even the family said, they don't want Israel to use the deaths as a pretext to continue the war. I agree with them and especially don't want to see what could be lies and propaganda used to instill more hatred and outrage to kill more kids.

Enough bloodshed already, don't you agree?

[madaboutharry]

97. Their father, Yarden Bibas, has verified the findings.

He personally requested for the findings to be released to the public so that the world knows how his children were murdered.

Are you calling Yarden Bibas a liar?

[AloeVera]

98. I see.

Rather than rebut my argument or even give it consideration, you accuse me of something heinous that I didn't do or say.

This is one of many reasons I no longer engage with most of Israel's supporters.

I'll just say that the grieving father is in no position - emotionally, mentally or professionally - to determine whether the "findings" are true or not.

Release the findings and allow independent, qualified experts to verify it by examining the bodies. Chances of the latter happening? Nada.

[Mosby]

66. We're getting into Jeffrey Dahmer territory now.

Where did this psychopathy come from? What has happened to Palestinian society?

Dear God.

[artemisia1]

40. Any person of basic decency cannot. However, the AIPAC type peoples, the Fundies and MAGAs accept any talking point to

avoid facing the truth. We know who would follow fascist (MAGA) movements and ethnic cleansing now. We don't have to guess. It's our neighbors, coworkers, family and "friends"...

[madaboutharry]

58. AIPAC type people?

What exactly is an AIPAC type person?

[madaboutharry]

95. The definition of The Dual Loyalty Canard.

Allegations of Dual loyalty

…one of the oldest antisemitic canards, whereby Jewish citizens are accused “of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.”

Simply referred to as the “dual loyalty” charge, antisemites alleges that the true allegiance of Jews is to their fellow Jews and that therefore they are inherently disloyal citizens and cannot be trusted. In casting the Jew as the other, this antisemitic trope, which has existed for thousands of years, has been used to scapegoat, harass, and vilify Jews, and at times has even led to murder.

This canard is different from the concern over a conflict of interest, which occurs when individual relationships or interests may influence decisions or actions, but is not dependent on an individual’s identity. Rather, the dual loyalty charge levied against Jews is inherently designed to target and discredit them and to call into question their loyalty to their country of residence simply because they are Jewish— to portray them as a dangerous fifth column.

According to Dr. Deborah E. Lipstadt, the Biden administration’s nominee to serve as antisemitism envoy, “The dual loyalty canard that has plagued Jews is the fertile soil in which centuries of these stereotypes have taken root and grown.”

https://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/news/defining-antisemitism-dual-loyalty

Sometimes it is necessary to point out important things.

[artemisia1]

101. Take it outside.

[Jose Garcia]

43. Hamas started a war it knew it couldn't win and hid behind civilians

Isreal showed immense restraint. Other countries would have flattened Gaza in days killing most of the inhabitants.

[Happy Hoosier]

55. Wait till you hear how many kids died in WWII....

I'm not trying to downplay NutandYahoo's war crimes. But wars are nasty, and people die in them. UI do ask WTF Hamas THOUGHT was going to happen? I tell you, THIS. They wanted this to happen. They just thought it would result in a regional war that would bring down Israel. It did not.

The fact that so many kids died is absolutely tragic. But the fact that so many kids dies is not the only issue at play here. You should know that.

[question everything]

67. Curious why the OP just threw a flaming comment, and never bothered to respond

dare I say: to be informed?

[Mosby]

70. Are the Bibas children innocent? People want to know.

Link to tweet

[Behind the Aegis]

71. Oh the fucking goddamned irony.

[sarisataka]

77. I have to wonder, if these were Jewish trans kids

would they still be worthy of protecting? Or would their Jewishness and colonizer status outweigh their being trans...

Who am I kidding? We all know the answer, the Nuremburg laws spelled it out in detail.

[cabotnn22]

87. Repulsive

The sheer idiocy of people rarely surprises me, but every once in a while - I am, indeed, surprised. This person does realize that he/she just essentially said that, if Israeli babies are "colonizers" then Gazan children are combatants, right?

I really am amazed that people do not know the history of the region. Israel is decolonization in action. A native people returning to their ancestral homeland.

[Mosby]

72. This sums up my feelings.

Link to tweet

[Mosby]

73. May those who supported the Palestinians be haunted forever

May those who supported the Palestinians be haunted forever

You were duped

You were tricked

You helped monsters

Link to tweet

[Mosby]

74. They celebrated killing little babies.

Link to tweet

[no_hypocrisy]

76. To paraphrase Shakespeare: A Pox upon both your Houses!

[Mosby]

79. Palestinians get paid to murder, up to 40K per year.

Link to tweet

They celebrate their psychopaths.

[Progressive dog]

85. I haven't seen anyone defending that on DU.

HAMAS is a terrorist organization that attacked Israel from Gaza and murdered children and non cambat adults, took some hostage and brutally treated them and then hid behind and under civilians in Gaza.
I would prefer that Israel had tried harder to protect civilians but I also don't think that Israel should needlessly allow these murderers to go free. What nation would allow an attack like that on their civilians and not respond with whatever force was necessary to prevent more murders? HAMAS could have surrendered to protect their people. They didn't. They wanted this to happen and it did.

[LexVegas]

100. How can anyone refer to Hamas as freedom fighters? nt

[C0RI0LANUS]

102. These IDF soldiers served in Gaza and the West Bank. I do not doubt their patriotism or their love of Israel.

Link:

https://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/

[David__77]

103. Thank you for your post.