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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTrump and Musk's latest threat to federal employees was just tweeted by Musk. All it lacks is a whip cracking.
Link to tweet
@elonmusk
Consistent with President @realDonaldTrumps instructions, all federal employees will shortly receive an email requesting to understand what they got done last week.
Failure to respond will be taken as a resignation.
1:46 PM · Feb 22, 2025
dweller
(28,032 posts)I wasnt fn playing golf
Would be my reply
✌🏻
TheBlackAdder
(29,981 posts)underpants
(195,733 posts)Didnt take time to welcome the birth of a new child
Was in charge but not in charge at the same time
Made bombastic claims about money saved
Then on Tuesday
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Deuxcents
(26,214 posts)Attilatheblond
(8,571 posts)TheBlackAdder
(29,981 posts)dchill
(42,660 posts)AloeVera
(4,095 posts)Just another demoralization and denigration tactic. Heartless and stupid.
madaboutharry
(42,031 posts)And BTW: Who will be the people tasked with reading 2.3 million emails detailing work product?
underpants
(195,733 posts)Not that I really know what that means but apparently AI can do that.
To me its like a more sophisticated Ctrl F to look for certain words in a document at work (I do it) or a news article.
Girard442
(6,846 posts)Anyone who has ever managed to hold a job longer than even one day can see how lame this is.
underpants
(195,733 posts)Even if he is in charge its of an agency that overtook the US Digital Service. The head of that cant fire just fire people from Forestry Parks or Commerce.
jls4561
(2,976 posts)His answer:
Cheated at golf.
Bullied better people than me.
Cheated at golf.
Spouted lies.
Cheated at golf.
Had Resolute desk buggers cleaned.
Cheated at golf.
Yep, it should be taken as a resignation.
Baitball Blogger
(51,973 posts)I was busy filling in for Phil, Harry, Sue and Beatrice's work and I'm currently scheduled for a mental breakdown because I haven't slept since you fired them.
DBoon
(24,844 posts)highplainsdem
(61,084 posts)Editing to add that I don't recall Musk using the not-responding-equals-a-resignation bit at Twitter.
haele
(15,240 posts)Always after their executives and upper management fucked around and lost contacts due to scummy dealings or mis-management.
Wounded Bear
(64,055 posts)It's what vulture capitalists do...buy companies, strip them to the floorboards, then dump the residue.
alarimer
(17,146 posts)I mean, technically not even a boss.
What they got done last week? When everyone was terrified of being fired?
Go fuck yourself, Musk. I hope you fucking die.
highplainsdem
(61,084 posts)drugs, playing with a chainsaw onstage, and being a deadbeat dad.
The Madcap
(1,836 posts)"painfully."
underpants
(195,733 posts)When I telework I do have to send a check in email on tasks for the day. My boss just uses it to know Im up and running.
This is ridiculous. I guess federal employees have to constantly monitor their emails on weekends now too.
alarimer
(17,146 posts)My boss doesn't even ask what I'm doing. I'm lucky, I suppose. And the only time we talk on the weekends is usually on Sunday when we are arranging field work for Monday.
I guess Musk thinks if he micromanages them enough, they would quit.
underpants
(195,733 posts)Thats how my boss has run people out. When she first got there. I left and she ran my former supervisor out and came and got me.
We might text but its just if someone is going to be out or late.
tonekat
(2,486 posts)by an angry mob.
hannah
(414 posts)The American people dont deserve this! Its enough
Deuxcents
(26,214 posts)JanMichael
(25,725 posts)The worst until now.
gypsy11
(417 posts)Multinational corporation for 16 years. They did this kind of stuff on the regular. If you were unlucky enough to get a bad manager, you became a target and theyd really ramp up the BS.
Once I passed age 50, I became a target and was driven out. Put on a BS performance plan that I had no way to meet, and got let go. For performance. I could run rings around my very young, inexperienced manager, and I knew a lot more about my job than he did. Therefore, I was a threat to him because thats the kind of guy he was, very Elon like.
Many corporations are like this. Musk has a reputation for fostering toxic, fear-based cultures in his various companies. I see hes now moved that mindset to our civil servants. We absolutely MUST get him out of government.
underpants
(195,733 posts)or a slave rowing galley.
Yeah, it absolutely sucked. No one should have to endure that kind of treatment. It does a number on you. They strip you of your dignity. But Im glad to be out of that kind of environment. Toxic as hell. Bad for the soul. Very sour on any corporate anything now. They dont just treat their employees like shit- they scam their customers on the regular too.
dalton99a
(93,067 posts)Twitter worker fired for not replying to Elon Musk email wins nearly half-million dollar complaint
By Lauren Barry
August 14, 2024 7:22 pm
In November 2022, shortly after multi-billionaire Elon Musk took over Twitter (now known as X), he sent out an email to employees. It looks like that email just cost the company the equivalent of around $600,000.
Titled A Fork in the Road, the email told recipients: If you are sure that you want to be part of the new Twitter, please click yes on the link below, and warned that anyone who didnt respond by 5 p.m. the following day would receive three months of severance.
Recently, the Workplace Relations Commission in Ireland ordered the company to pay up for one of the employees who did not click yes on the email, according to a report from RTE. Gary Rooney, the employee, filed a complaint arguing that Musks email violated Irish law and claiming that the company refused to engage with him. On the other hand, Twitter claimed that Rooney made a conscious decision to resign.
In a 73-page ruling, WRC adjudication officer Michael MacNamee, concluded Mr. Rooneys employment came to an end solely because he did not click yes to the e-mail, since he was blocked from accessing programs he needed to do his work, said RTE. The decision not to click yes, Mr. MacNamee said, was not capable of constituting an act of resignation.
In fact, MacNamee said: No employee when faced with such a situation could possibly be faulted for refusing to be compelled to give an open-ended unqualified assent to any of the proposals.
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Passages
(3,986 posts)Excellent.
tonekat
(2,486 posts)Are much more in favor of the worker than in Calvinist U.S.A..
underpants
(195,733 posts)Sounds like the beginning of a Its Always Sunny in Philadelphia
Passages
(3,986 posts)What they got done? Destroy people's lives.
Mossfern
(4,661 posts)I knew that I was a target.
What I did was to start a document at the beginning of every day, log my phone calls, correspondences, etc on an hourly basis. Yes, it was a pain in the ass in the beginning but quickly became routine.
I also kept newspaper clippings of events and flyers for programs. In the end they did move me, but could not fire me because I knew too much.
Hugin
(37,687 posts)Fight hogwash with hogwash.
I cant believe I am recommending this.
Desert grandma
(1,075 posts)like "I helped secure our national security by...." "I averted terrorist threats by"....I contributed to the safety of the American people by...." Every task should be noted this way. If they are using AI to look for key words, EVERY federal employee should use these words. Muskrat and his goons are so incompetent. Our Democratic leaders need to do more and attract A LOT MORE media attention with their resistance!
haele
(15,240 posts)We're dealing with idiots who think a metrics centered AI will be more efficient in items like program management, engineering, or logistics than human experiance and problem solving.
They're looking at metrics. How many widgets.
And no matter what your job is, if you don't have enough widgets per day or week, you aren't being efficient.
Say, you have a VA ICU nurse in Wyoming - maybe last week was quiet, no patients to watch over during her shifts, even though the previous week, they may have been slammed, and next week, there's a local event that always ends up with a couple patients in ICU. Their answer to this email this week shows they are not needed. Nothing was done. No patients admitted, none cared for, none released.
Or a job as a manager, scientist, researcher, or engineer. Jobs where there's weeks monitoring a situation, going to meetings, dealing with stakeholders and writing reports.
Those jobs "don't need a GS 13" with a cost base of $140k a year including overhead. AI can do the same thing much cheaper, right?
That's where this is heading. The "clever" Technocrats think that they will be able to control the AI and no longer need all those smart, experienced people who understand what gets accurate real world results and tell them they can't do what they want to do.
Technocrats are all about the fun and challenges to making money, rather than tangible progress.
They are emotionally driven to be on top.
If they understood basic logic, the would not ignore that if they create a tool that can act on its own like AI, to create it to recognize efficiency in productivity,
it will logically determine the Technocrats, the bosses, who only "worked" to enrich themselves or their egos, can be replaced far more easily than the actual smart people that did the painstaking but slow work to create any desired result.
Sogo
(7,091 posts)Is this what we can expect from an abolished Dept of Education??
DenaliDemocrat
(1,740 posts)I expect better grammar from a self-proclaimed genius.
madaboutharry
(42,031 posts)the courts open on Monday.
This is tyrannical behavior from an out of control psychopath.
Elon Musk is not the boss of 2.2 million federal employees. He has no legal authority to make this request and no legal authority to override the legal protections that cover the employment of the federal workforce.
The megalomania has taken on a life of its own.
miyazaki
(2,615 posts)haele
(15,240 posts)That's when the expected date of delivery is, and my customer and all the moving parts sets the schedule, not me. My completion milestones are measured in months or years.
This looks like an excuse to replace experienced workers with AI.