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BREAKING: Donald Trump is reportedly furious because his latest threats to leave NATO have backfired as European leaders are proposing to replace the US in NATO with Ukraine, start curb stomping Russia all together, and then make Trump utterly irrelevant in all the negotiations.
SheltieLover
(82,772 posts)Nice to see you again!
Tfg is irrelevant to everyone.
LearnedHand
(5,693 posts)SheltieLover
(82,772 posts)LearnedHand
(5,693 posts)2naSalit
(104,963 posts)SheltieLover
(82,772 posts)SheltieLover
(82,772 posts)Frasier Balzov
(5,170 posts)England and France.
Any others?
BannonsLiver
(21,034 posts)Frasier Balzov
(5,170 posts)But that does make the one a glaring target.
BannonsLiver
(21,034 posts)Theres been talk that Germany may create its own nuke program, but I dont see many other countries in Europe that would be candidates to follow suit. Maybe the Finns, given their history with Russia.
Frasier Balzov
(5,170 posts)BannonsLiver
(21,034 posts)ToxMarz
(3,192 posts)Might be a better use of their rare earth mineral wealth than giving it away to TSF.
colorado_ufo
(6,270 posts)Ukraine had nukes and gave them up for peace? If so, time to get them back.
Frasier Balzov
(5,170 posts)So although Ukraine had custody of some nukes, they weren't Ukraine's to keep and use.
Nevertheless, Ukraine gave them up because the West talked them into it with a security guarantee.
rubbersole
(11,351 posts)Putin is peeing on the bed himself.
Volaris
(11,857 posts)The tech isn't beyond their capabilities. Allies will find a way to get them the Pu they'd need.
ScotLass
(34 posts)UK is made up of 4 countries not just England.
Big Blue Marble
(5,714 posts)Germany is about to become a nuclear power.
BlueSpot
(1,351 posts)So, yeah, a few others.
spanone
(142,267 posts)We are now the bad guys along with Iran, North Korea and Russia...
LuvLoogie
(9,063 posts)malaise
(299,747 posts)No shit! 😀.
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MLWR
(1,153 posts)I applaud their efforts.
Figarosmom
(14,840 posts)No one in the world cares about what tsf says or does. They have discovered that telling him he's full of shit works. Even his " buddy" putin shits on him.
Lulu KC
(8,920 posts)Sometimes it really helps to think
things all the way through.
rubbersole
(11,351 posts)3catwoman3
(30,232 posts)No shit, to quote the OP.
Amaryllis
(11,569 posts)Hekate
(100,135 posts)ShazzieB
(23,099 posts)republianmushroom
(22,933 posts)rurallib
(64,940 posts)what no one else ever could - bring Europe together.
GiqueCee
(5,102 posts)Make it so.
SpankMe
(3,810 posts)...it can no longer veto Ukraine becoming part of NATO. Cool backlash there.
colorado_ufo
(6,270 posts)They might block it.
DENVERPOPS
(13,003 posts)our airbase out of Turkey. It is strategically placed in Turkey to cover the South East & Western NATO European countries.
Pulling it would be a massive "I Love You Putin" from Trump..............besides Turkey losing the U.S. Protection from Putin.
Evolve Dammit
(21,857 posts)sop
(19,933 posts)When the North Atlantic Treaty was signed in 1949, no provision was included for removing a member state. The U.S. could only be removed as a member state if it fails to follow the duties set forth by the NATO treaty.
RainCaster
(13,950 posts)He will require a 2/3 vote of both Houses to do that
sop
(19,933 posts)that the president cannot unilaterally withdraw America from NATO without an act of Congress, or unless two-thirds of the Senate concur. Trump still believes he has the right to withdraw unilaterally, relying on the Constitution which states the president has the power to negotiate treaties. The Constitution, however, doesn't say the president has the power to break treaties. Like every crazy thing Trump does, this will end up in the courts.
Trump could "Quiet Quit" NATO, refusing to participate in any way, and effectively ending the United States' involvement. No one really knows how that would work. Trump might withdraw from active participation in NATO, but still try to veto Ukraine joining the alliance. Russia would like that.
ShazzieB
(23,099 posts)Like removing birthright citizenship from the Constitution with an executive order!
Someone needs to tell him that the SCOTUS immunity decision only shields him from criminal prosecution. He seems to think that immunity = omnipotence.
BonnieJW
(3,159 posts)He don't need no stinkin congress
Raven123
(8,049 posts)mdbl
(9,005 posts)Can't blame them.
Moostache
(11,353 posts)I would like to start a movement to leave the former United States and become a protectorate of Canada and NATO. I would like to extend this to the non-contiguous portions of the former USA and the coastal state territories that would also join in such an effort.
There is a conceivable way to both break up the USA AND ensure mutual assured destruction remains as the worldwide nuclear deterrent that has prevented nuclear war for 80 years...
I don't want any part of the USA any longer. I refuse to support a lawless country with lawless appointees and gutless, craven political hacks and thieves lining their pockets while the once proud nation sinks into chaos and ruin. I'll take my chances as a satellite state of the EU or Canada or Mexico or a NATO signatory.
HeartsCanHope
(1,809 posts)In the last election we won back our right to an abortion, but all our legislature seems to do is try to find ways to overturn this state constitutional amendment. Our state has so many other problems, but denying women healthcare seems to be all the Christo-Facists focus on. I am so tired of all the hate and misogyny, but my husband's job is keeping us here for the foreseeable future.
markie
(24,124 posts)kick us out
HeartsCanHope
(1,809 posts)Epic trolling!
Cha
(321,626 posts)debsy
(1,102 posts)dem4decades
(14,687 posts)Skittles
(173,666 posts)we are rooting against those fascist fucks Trump and Musk
Blue Owl
(60,139 posts)4catsmom
(667 posts)Kick Trump to the curb. The US is useless while he's in office
AntiFascist
(13,756 posts)or in Japanese, Trump is making America a cartoon version of itself.
airplaneman
(1,406 posts)But he can probably single handedly get us kicked out.
-Airplane
True Dough
(27,691 posts)I'm in that line! Hope to see more "no shits" spewing from you, pbmus.
gademocrat7
(12,085 posts)We need it.
GoreWon2000
(1,461 posts)by the new leaders of the free world.