BREAKING: Another near collision on a runway in Chicago.

[Beachnutt]

Flying is very dangerous under trump.
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/shocking-video-shows-near-miss-between-southwest-airlines-flight-jet-on-runway-at-midway-airport/3682589/

[SheltieLover]

1. I'll never get on another plane.

If I can't drive or float to wherever it is, I will not go.

[Beachnutt]

2. I'm with you,

No flying for me at least until these fools are out of office.

[SheltieLover]

8. Absolutely!

[nitpicked]

7. Issac Asimov

Famously took trains and any other means rather than flying.

[SheltieLover]

9. I guess if we were meant to fly, we would have wings, right?

I used to enjoy flying, did a lot when younger as my brother was a private pilot.

Not with these fools running things into the ground for pootin & Boeing's sh8ft from quality to greed.

[Ocelot II]

16. "If God had wanted humans to fly, why did he build trains?"

I was a general aviation flight instructor for years, and I also worked at a major airline until I retired. Safety procedures and FAA compliance were strictly enforced, and I'm sure the airlines are still emphasizing safety, since nobody wants a crash. But if the rabid DOGE is cutting FAA staff, more accidents are inevitable. Airlines follow FAA regulations as to flight operations and maintenance, but if they aren't getting guidance or oversight, shit will happen. It always does, even if nobody is intentionally cutting corners. And there's already a shortage of air traffic controllers, which is the scariest aspect of it all. TCAS is great but it's no substitute for the radar and eyeballs of ATC, whose planning keeps pilots from having to rely on TCAS except in the rarest circumstances. TCAS avoidance maneuvers have their own hazards. I don't want to fly any more either.

[markodochartaigh]

40. . "If God had wanted humans to fly, why did he build trains?"

Of course using similar logic the Trump voters could be said to deserve what they are getting.
"If God didn't want them sheared why did he make them sheep?"

[erronis]

21. I have relatives on the other side of this country and other side of the world. I will not fly no more, never.

It isn't just the trmp shit-show. My animosity to airlines started 20+ years ago and the "security apparatus" exacerbated a bad situation.

I hate airports now. I hate parking.
I hate being treated as cattle.
I hate the deregulation which allowed horrible price gouging.
I hate the lack of transparency on pricing.
I hate the discomfort as seats are moved closer and closer so the first-class can spread their flabby butts.
I like the personnel who try to make it better but I hate the management/companies who want to make more $$$$$.

[SheltieLover]

24. I especially detest being treated like cattle!

But agree 100% with all you've said.

[slightlv]

41. Exactly, erronis! I echo you.

After 9/11, I had a flight planned to a conference in Florida. I was still planning on going (this was before they grounded everything) but my family begged me to stay off planes.

And then we got the TSA. I was working at the time, and figured I was being treated like a child in so many aspects of my life, I didn't need one more. When they started making everyone take off their shoes, that was the last straw. It's not safety to me, it's performance art and a jobs program.

Today, I have so much metal in my body that I set off alarms walking INTO a store. No way would I even attempt to get on a plane these days! And it's too bad... as a younger person, I enjoyed flying. People dressed up, were on their best behavior, you could look forward to an interesting meal, and you felt like you were treated special. Nowdays... not so much.

[Prairie Gates]

3. I had an almost landed plane take off again at SFO once

It was extremely unnerving.

The pilots of the Southwest airlines flight saved the day right there. What the fuck was that little plane doing?

[Demobrat]

38. I was on a flight to Albuquerque once

where the landing had to be aborted because of the wind. Lots of screaming on that flight.

[nitpicked]

4. Another link

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/southwest-jet-and-a-private-plane-avoid-a-near-miss-at-chicago-midway-airport/ar-AA1zLV3P?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=749f0762826445479090469748a1ef72&ei=55

[Passages]

5. Since January 20th, America keeps winning and winning.

[rustysgurl]

6. Future trip this summer to a convention in Montana

I am driving ... I don't care how long it takes and how many hotels I have to stay in. I'm not trusting my life 30,000 feet in the air (or on the ground) to the current airline transportation system. My brother-in-law works for the FAA (ground maintenance supervisor) and he doesn't fly ANYWHERE. So telling.

And just like that, lack of passengers = airline profits plummeting = stock prices plummeting = airline employee layoffs and airlines going under = SO MUCH WINNING!

[Maru Kitteh]

44. What town in MT are you coming to & where from? I'm in the Flathead Valley.

Don’t know where you are coming from but Montana, well, it’s big. Depending on where you’re coming from and going to I might have a tip or two to make your trip more pleasant. Maybe. Some parts of Montana I know next to nothing about.

[rustysgurl]

60. Thanks for the offer of info.

I'll be in the Billings area toward the end of June.

[Maru Kitteh]

61. Not too familiar with Billings but the end of June in MT is GLORIOUS.

There is no bad place to be in Montana in late June. Anywhere you drive from the plains to Glacier Country will be breathtaking. Enjoy, and safe travels.

[bdamomma]

56. Your last comment

And just like that, lack of passengers = airline profits plummeting = stock prices plummeting = airline employee layoffs and airlines going under = SO MUCH WINNING!


That is what exactly will happen. Airline executives will not be happy. This will affect many flight passengers not only flight passengers in the US but other countries too.

The US is a needed hub to other parts of the world. Many of us do not have private jets!!!

[boonecreek]

10. Ground control screwup?

Just glad that Southwest pilot was alert.

[LudwigPastorius]

29. Hard to say.

There is plenty of audio posted on YouTube of pilots either oblivious to, or intentionally ignoring, ATC commands.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

36. Here it is:

Victor at vas aviation is quick these days

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[Maru Kitteh]

46. Southwest was SO fucking calm. Jesus. Obviously,

“How’d that happen” is pilot for WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU GUYS DOING OVER THERE! and as a professional I understand keeping ones comportment in a storm and then having your emotions later but WOW.

[Ocelot II]

57. Pilots train for those sorts of incidents.

It's a regular thing during simulator training. They wouldn't have been happy about it but they didn't freak out. The crew on the ground that crossed the runway when they were told to hold short would have been pretty rattled, though, when they saw the Southwest plane fly over them, and then when they were told to call the tower. No pilot wants to make that phone call.

[Ocelot II]

50. Clearly a pilot brain fart, not an ATC error.

ATC told him twice to hold short at 31C; the first time he got it wrong but the second time he even read it back correctly and crossed 31C anyhow. I'm guessing there was some kind of distraction or work overload. Even so, MDW is a goat rodeo - too much traffic for an airport that small and with that many runways.

[LeftInTX]

11. Yikes! That video.

[Lovie777]

12. Oh shit.....

[Emile]

13. Chicago downtown Midway airport.

[Lonestarblue]

14. Wow, that was close. I would think the pilot of the business jet could have seen the Southwest plane landing.

[Ocelot II]

15. MDW is scary on a good day. It wasn't designed for scheduled airline service,

the runways are short and there are lots of locations for possible runway incursions. It became an overflow airport for ORD but it really should service only general aviation. The colored circles on this chart are labeled "HS," which means "hot spot," to warn pilots to be especially careful when crossing at these points. I'd be interested to know exactly where this incident occurred and whether it was at a hot spot, but somebody's ass will be in a sling for sure - that is, assuming the FAA will have anybody left to deal with the problem after the rabid DOGE is done with it.

[erronis]

30. Thanks for that overview, Ocelot II. Even that high-level shows the complications.

I'm sure as we zoom into all the interactions at the physical level, 24 hours a day it becomes much more complex.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

37. Here it is:

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[LeftInTX]

49. We flew SW into Midway in 1987

We thought we would save money. The car rental was a huge rip off. They tried billing us in km instead of miles, which was double. (50 miles was billed as 100 miles)
Hubby pointed it out. They said, "It's all the same"
Never again.
They really didn't want us there.

I did not fly SW again until 2024. As to why they chose Midway instead of O'Hare is beyond me

[Ocelot II]

51. At that time they probably couldn't get slots at ORD.

Now they are the dominant airline at MDW, which is a good deal for them.

[Blue Owl]

17. It's not like we had any warning signs or anything

Like when tRump's own goddamned "Trump Shuttle Inc" airline went bankrupt in 1992, for example....

[Pull_Left]

18. It was "dangerous" before if that's how you measure danger

To be put into context, "near-miss" were at record levels in 2023 (1,700) and in 2024 with over 1,100 incidences in the US - out of 54 million flights.

The fault this time is with one person - the pilot of the private jet who didn't listen to ground control and placed a hundred people in jeopardy.

Not that it won't get worse with the tinkering by the aristocrats (or rather the aristocats)

https://airguide.info/faa-reports-1100-runway-near-misses-in-2024-showing-improvement-from-2023/

[AllyCat]

53. Welcome to DU Pull_Left!

Thank you for your comment. Interesting indeed.

[Pull_Left]

59. Thank you much!

Been a looong time first go-to for news

[moonbeam23]

19. We don't need no stinkin' authorization

we are BILLIONAIRES!

Midway is always a nightmare...has been for 40 years, at least.

Whose bright idea was it to put strip malls right next to the runways?

[erronis]

31. Cheap land. Nobody want to live there because of the noise. And commercial spin-offs.

Look at rental car agencies for example.

[flashman13]

20. The video shows a massive disaster was avoided by no more than a couple of seconds.

Damned good flying by the SW pilots. Those big commercial jets have very impressive capabilities in an emergency situation.

[RJ-MacReady]

22. Another opportunity to show trumps chaos

Democrats should be out there every single day blaming all of this on trump, if the roles were reversed they would be! It doesn't matter if its not entirely accurate. We need to stop worrying about that right now. Winning and stopping trump is priority. No more going high, period. When they go low kick them in the teeth.

[Pachamama]

23. Oh shit was that close

Thankfully the pilots on Southwest were able to respond in time and pull up and abort landing on that plane

[Initech]

25. This shit is pissing me off to no end.

Fuck Elon, Trump, and Charlie Kirk. I hope they answer to Satan.

[Beachnutt]

26. And the folks on the flight probably had no clue

what almost happened and why.

[AllyCat]

27. I have chills. The pilots on that Southwest plane are skilled and were heroes in this near miss.

Unreal.

[erronis]

28. Just imagine a drunk pilot like Pete Hesgeth was in charge of that SouthWest jet.

Oh, it's ok. He's not a pilot, he's a false-newscaster.

Well, now he's in "charge" of the nation's Department of Defense. What could possibly go wrong?

Right, Pete? Hic.

[Aviation Pro]

32. Pilot error

Challenger 350 was told to hold short of 31C after crossing 31L and didn’t.

[Disaffected]

39. Yes, that's exactly what it was.

It is perverse to blame this on anyone but the 350 pilot.

[yellowcanine]

43. But the tower is still partly to blame.

Planes should not be so close on runways that one mistake by a pilot results in a near collision.

[Aviation Pro]

45. That's why there's standard phraseology and readback

….

[Disaffected]

47. In a busy airport?

Having planes hold short of a cleared for takeoff or landing runway is pretty much SOP is it not?

What procedure did the tower not perform properly?

I expect in general aviation there are a myriad of instances where one mistake by a pilot could result in an accident.

In any case, blaming this incident on deficiencies in the administration or FAA seems quite a stretch (unless we want to act like Republicans).

[Ocelot II]

52. Not in this case. ATC gave hold-short instructions twice,

and the pilot of the small jet got them wrong the first time, ATC repeated them, and the second time the pilot repeated the instruction correctly but crossed 31C anyhow, Clear pilot error, ATC not to blame.

[helpisontheway]

33. Very nervous about our flight to Paris/Italy next month

We can go anytime. However, my mom would be absolutely devastated if we canceled the trip. It will be her first time overseas. And will likely be her only chance. Praying for a safe trip…

[bdamomma]

54. I can understand

why people are reluctant and extremely cautious about these recent air accidents.

I have recently read an article about Boston Logan Airport and their safety measures. The people contacted and interviewed were Massport Fire Chief, Chief Security Officer, and the Deputy Director of Aviation. All fears were eased by their report.

I wonder if there's a reference of who to call to answer passenger flight concerns.

[IronLionZion]

34. I'm nervous about flying until Dems are back in charge

Grocery prices are still going up. The main thing going down in the Trump administration are planes. Musk will fire more ATCs and FAA officials for "performance" and "DEI".

[usaf-vet]

35. Paging Sean Duffy....paging Sean Duffy..... paging Sean Duffy.

You should remember that some of your nine kids will someday be flying in the airspace you are helping to make unsafe.

You and they will not always have the luxury of flying on private jets. That Southwest pilot likely saved the lives of passengers on his plane and the small jet.

[yellowcanine]

42. "President Plane Crash" strikes again.

Tired air traffic controllers working too many shifts and too much multi-tasking.

[Disaffected]

48. Except this was a pilot error,

not ATC.

[Vogon_Glory]

55. Are these near-collisions occurring before or after Eloon and his band started playing with air traffic control?

If afterwards Elon’s “move fast and break things” philosophy is putting the lives and safety of thousands of American air travelers at risk.

[Ocelot II]

58. In fact, those incidents have been happening for years, and there has been

extensive pilot training and improved taxiway/runway signage and lighting. Some larger airports have advanced airport surveillance technology. The FAA has been installing new systems, https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/faa-install-new-runway-safety-technology, but how much do you wanna bet DOGE will kill that off, too?