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senseandsensibility

(24,884 posts)
Thu Feb 27, 2025, 07:01 PM Feb 2025

BREAKING Big Cuts at Social Security

From Josh Marshall three minutes ago: "Okay looking at the details of the memo. But the plan for massive reduction in the size of the social security administration has just dropped. It's happening. More shortly."

He is covering this as breaking news on BlueSky and is asking anyone working for ssa to contact him. He calls it the gutting of the social security administration.

Edited to add that he apparently has obtained an internal memo sent to SS staff.
"A short time ago the Human Resources office of the Social Security Administration sent out what it titled a major 'organizational restructuring" of the agency. As one SSA vet put it to me, this 'we are giving you a chance to leave of your own accord before we fire you." Marshall wrote.

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BREAKING Big Cuts at Social Security (Original Post) senseandsensibility Feb 2025 OP
good luck getting anything changed about your SS payments lapfog_1 Feb 2025 #1
Have you ever tried to call SSA? SheltieLover Feb 2025 #4
I did when I signed up back in 2018 and it didn't take long that I remember. Called Medicare two days ago Bengus81 Feb 2025 #6
Lucky you! SheltieLover Feb 2025 #11
Last week , mine took two hours.then they had to get a manager. Three hours on the phone. Three hours that I debm55 Feb 2025 #62
Took my spouse about 4 months to land an appointment to just talk with them. WestMichRad Feb 2025 #68
Mine was less than a minute. Grins Feb 2025 #33
Medicare gets a bad reputation Wifes husband Feb 2025 #47
I went months of calling to get my sister lapfog_1 Feb 2025 #7
Ridiculous! SheltieLover Feb 2025 #12
Whether you are dealing with Social Security or Medicare, its a nightmare. milestogo Feb 2025 #28
Right! SheltieLover Feb 2025 #45
Yes, they've been complaining (like the IRS) that they're significantly understaffed. slightlv Feb 2025 #80
We should make sure that EVERY SINGLE ONE of these complaints has trump's name attached. calimary Feb 2025 #97
Kind of like calling the health insurance company LiberalArkie Feb 2025 #82
Exactly! SheltieLover Feb 2025 #86
All because an executive caught one of the call center people having the time between calls to check email. LiberalArkie Feb 2025 #91
Right... SheltieLover Feb 2025 #92
Worse Bird Lady Feb 2025 #101
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Feb 2025 #40
I was given a time for a callback Demobrat Feb 2025 #60
Lucky you! SheltieLover Feb 2025 #87
I tried to call a month ago Wolf Frankula Feb 2025 #61
It helps to call during the evening. At least for me. Wifes husband Feb 2025 #70
That's typical of many experiences SheltieLover Feb 2025 #88
I called SS when I retired, left a message, and got a callback within half an hour. Lonestarblue Feb 2025 #85
Ty for reporting G he fraud! SheltieLover Feb 2025 #89
Nine hours for me. ChazInAz Feb 2025 #93
Sorry to hear this. SheltieLover Feb 2025 #94
I have had occassion homegirl Feb 2025 #78
Kicking SheltieLover Feb 2025 #2
How long before the wanker goes after benefits? RoadRunner Feb 2025 #3
Oh, yes. Those cash outflows to recipients look like prey to musk/putin/orangutang erronis Feb 2025 #13
It's both. Destroy the US and Americans, and steal as much money as possible. Irish_Dem Feb 2025 #43
How much will these nazi billionaires have to take from us Gary 50 Feb 2025 #53
Both Trump and Musk want to be trillionaires. Irish_Dem Feb 2025 #54
And dull the blades... The Madcap Feb 2025 #66
not that this will stop him, but NJCher Feb 2025 #63
It is an entitlement HighFired49 Feb 2025 #98
wouldn't surprise me NJCher Feb 2025 #102
Yeah...72 million on SS and Medicare. Hell Trump they could probaby do everything Bengus81 Feb 2025 #5
Just saw this after in local news that KatyaR Feb 2025 #8
Well, Oklahoma loves it some right wing Nazis Sky Jewels Feb 2025 #81
link to memo all employees at SSA got: Amaryllis Feb 2025 #9
It'll all be done with AI and Zoom. And a fake generative AI person who looks real. bucolic_frolic Feb 2025 #10
When computers call me, I hang up. yellow dahlia Feb 2025 #17
I'm thinking that they would have a war on their hands if bluestarone Feb 2025 #14
It seems they are doing what they can to senseandsensibility Feb 2025 #16
Well, they keep pushing the limits slowly to see what they CAN continue to do. bluestarone Feb 2025 #19
Just want to point out EndlessWire Feb 2025 #26
True, assuming senseandsensibility Feb 2025 #34
That's My Sense RobinA Feb 2025 #95
They'll claim Diraven Feb 2025 #20
And how would the people win this war? synni Feb 2025 #35
Where are Dems supposed to do something? In Congress? maxsolomon Feb 2025 #41
Wrong Hieronymus Phact Feb 2025 #49
Oh Yeah..Your words are true. chouchou Feb 2025 #58
No, I'm right. "Raising awareness" is not the same as DOING SOMETHING to stop it. maxsolomon Feb 2025 #99
Democratic Pols can only stop this slashing agenda through legislation. ??? Hieronymus Phact Mar 2025 #110
They have power in the upcoming CR negotiations maxsolomon Mar 2025 #111
We'll see bluestarone Feb 2025 #46
It would be a youth backed war, too, since younguns don't need one more thing to burden their lives. ancianita Feb 2025 #52
Husband was supposed to get ss after an injury. He was rejected at first, we went to a ss lawyer. Srkdqltr Feb 2025 #15
Kick dalton99a Feb 2025 #18
Cuts in staff, not cuts in benefits, correct? CoopersDad Feb 2025 #21
Right senseandsensibility Feb 2025 #23
With massive cuts in staff orangecrush Feb 2025 #29
Honestly, SS should be pretty much automated beyond signing up. Don't want anyone fired but Silent Type Feb 2025 #48
All they have to do is administer 70,000,000 acounts Wifes husband Feb 2025 #74
70 M accounts that pushing a couple of buttons sends checks, etc. Now, disability and the like Silent Type Feb 2025 #77
Yeah. I tried to illustrate the "other stuff" Wifes husband Feb 2025 #79
SS offices also handle Supplemental Security Income which is very complicated wishstar Feb 2025 #83
Yeah, they're not cutting benefits (yet)... WestMichRad Feb 2025 #67
They are such assholes. Joinfortmill Feb 2025 #22
I am one of the millions of geezers in this nation. Magoo48 Feb 2025 #24
Truth orangecrush Feb 2025 #30
Yep call your worthless lizards in Congress, AND ring the AARP phone off the hook. Those jerks claim to PatrickforB Feb 2025 #32
MIne are not worthless. Wyden and Merkley have worked tirelessly for us. IT's not fair to generalize like that. Amaryllis Feb 2025 #39
Sorry, Amaryllis, but I've worked hard, hard, hard all my life and I've paid in full-boat to Social Security for FORTY PatrickforB Feb 2025 #65
Check out Indivisible. https://indivisible.org/ They are doing alll the things you ask for. A Wonderful organization. Amaryllis Feb 2025 #42
Okay.. TY! Cha Feb 2025 #64
Yes, I've investigated them. Looks good. Magoo48 Feb 2025 #96
Bernie Sanders knows how to fuck with them. Linda ladeewolf Feb 2025 #55
There's already Huge delays in Social Security processing new retirement applications Wiz Imp Feb 2025 #25
Yes senseandsensibility Feb 2025 #27
Yes, they need more workers not fewer. Quakerfriend Feb 2025 #38
I'm glad you finally got approved ... Wiz Imp Feb 2025 #50
in all fairness Skittles Feb 2025 #56
In this case I have no idea what caused that, but I bet money the system can be improved in ways that Silent Type Feb 2025 #71
It's been pretty well documented that delays at the SSA can be traced directly to under staffing. Wiz Imp Feb 2025 #72
OK, massive blowback. All of us on here should be calling our senators and representative DAILY on this exact issue. PatrickforB Feb 2025 #31
Civil service protection? TimeToGo Feb 2025 #36
Step one is firing staff. Sibelius Fan Feb 2025 #37
Yes, you describe exactly what I fear. nt intrepidity Feb 2025 #76
I recently had excellent service from my local SS office (all over the phone) irt my spousal benefit increase Raftergirl Feb 2025 #44
I'm 64, turn 65 in December, I've been getting SSDI since 2007. mentalsolstice Feb 2025 #51
You know, even before a corporation changes a logo... Trueblue Texan Feb 2025 #57
UGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Farmgirl1961 Feb 2025 #59
Wondering about this too. I had planned to wait. The stress these traitors are causing American citizens! mahina Feb 2025 #73
After thinking about it... Farmgirl1961 Mar 2025 #109
Could you change the title to "Social Security Administration"? HereForTheParty Feb 2025 #69
it's not just the people being cut Skittles Feb 2025 #75
Oh, guys! Don't worry, Musk has an AI to run the government, no people needed! Just wait... mucholderthandirt Feb 2025 #84
I hope that people HarryM Feb 2025 #90
The government shutdown isn't in mid-March. It is underway now. Bluetus Feb 2025 #100
Hmmmm BrianTheEVGuy Feb 2025 #103
When magats start to feel the pain louis-t Feb 2025 #104
I don't think the people timms139 Feb 2025 #105
I had to wait three weeks for a callback mdbl Feb 2025 #106
They can't trash SSI directly DENVERPOPS Feb 2025 #107
You can only speak with a human at the SS office in my major metropolis snot Feb 2025 #108

SheltieLover

(80,208 posts)
4. Have you ever tried to call SSA?
Thu Feb 27, 2025, 07:04 PM
Feb 2025

Gawd, it's at least an hour wait, then they tell you to go to your local office, which fELON is planning to close many of.

Bengus81

(10,141 posts)
6. I did when I signed up back in 2018 and it didn't take long that I remember. Called Medicare two days ago
Thu Feb 27, 2025, 07:07 PM
Feb 2025

that hold was maybe five minutes if that.

debm55

(60,297 posts)
62. Last week , mine took two hours.then they had to get a manager. Three hours on the phone. Three hours that I
Thu Feb 27, 2025, 09:05 PM
Feb 2025

Last edited Thu Feb 27, 2025, 10:05 PM - Edit history (1)

will never get back. Put on speaker and did my crafts. The did tell me that I could have call back in 2-3 days. I wasn't staying
around the house for 2-3 days waiting

WestMichRad

(3,229 posts)
68. Took my spouse about 4 months to land an appointment to just talk with them.
Thu Feb 27, 2025, 09:41 PM
Feb 2025

Many hours on hold that resulted in absolutely nothing.

They’re severely understaffed now, BEFORE any cuts.

Grins

(9,437 posts)
33. Mine was less than a minute.
Thu Feb 27, 2025, 08:01 PM
Feb 2025

IRS? That was longer, but the issues with IRS callers are more complex.

lapfog_1

(31,879 posts)
7. I went months of calling to get my sister
Thu Feb 27, 2025, 07:08 PM
Feb 2025

the SSA that she earned from her now deceased ex-husband... I don't remember how many calls, letters, documents, and a few meetings this all took... but the entire process was maybe 8 months.

milestogo

(23,056 posts)
28. Whether you are dealing with Social Security or Medicare, its a nightmare.
Thu Feb 27, 2025, 07:56 PM
Feb 2025

Its obvious they are already understaffed. After they cut back more I have no idea how they will get anyone to work there. It will go from really bad to impossible.

slightlv

(7,782 posts)
80. Yes, they've been complaining (like the IRS) that they're significantly understaffed.
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 01:57 AM
Feb 2025

The fact they're cutting the administration means not only that wait times on phone and in-person visits will be that much harder to get, but I worry that the few staff that are left in office will be able to keep up with sending out the SS money each month, every month, to each of the current SS recipients... let alone those he's "retiring" from Fed Service right now. (There were still a LOT of Boomers working for the Fed govt when I retired early at 63).

Hubby cleaning out our bank accounts due to falling victim to a scam was hard enough to handle... it'll be just like not getting a social security check on time one month. I've got most of the bills coming due around that 13th of the month date. I worked things to get it that way. And who sends out my annuity check (as small as it is) on the 1st of the month? Since I retired as DoD civilian, does that stay inhouse with DoD... or is that farmed out to SS?

Christ almighty... nearly 70 years old and I'm having to deal with this crap, while also caretaking hubs whose memory is basically shot. I've already instituted changes around here for bill paying, to make it easier on myself and make myself track more each month. Hopefully that'll stop forgotten bills. And clue me in to those invoices I've not gotten for some reason (like hubs throwing one in the trash last month). Always have the money to pay 2 months total + $40 late fee.

Kill Musk... one way or another. Why the hell isn't anyone taking him to court? He wasn't elected to anything, and Congress did NOT create his "special department." He's got teenagers wading through our PI willy-nilly and selling it to who knows who. I know some major Countries that would love to get their hands on our PI.

Of course, no matter what, count on Musk/trump taking it to the SCOTUS and the SCOTUS ruling immunity for trump... with nothing said or done about musk (because trump wants him there to do what project 2025 wants and then take the blame when it all falls to pieces.)

A hell of a lot of people... even more Magas, I'll bet... are gonna find out they depend on the federal government for a lot of payments and/or services. I hope the Magats suffer. I'm sorry to say that, but I have no empathy left. My new phrase: Own the Magats.

calimary

(89,898 posts)
97. We should make sure that EVERY SINGLE ONE of these complaints has trump's name attached.
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 12:18 PM
Feb 2025

FIRMLY attached.

LiberalArkie

(19,754 posts)
91. All because an executive caught one of the call center people having the time between calls to check email.
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 09:46 AM
Feb 2025

So therefore, we must have to many people working the phones. Too much free time.

Bird Lady

(1,996 posts)
101. Worse
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 01:49 PM
Feb 2025

If you can get a human to talk to you will be wasting your time. As a retired dod employee I have geha insurance for health and dental. I now have been waiting for my cards for this year. I have made emergency requests for the cards. My pharmacy has denied my refills because I can’t prove I am insured. I’ve called opm twice and geha three times, the last time I was assured they were coming. That was a month ago. I have been paying for them for more years than I can remember. No more next open season I will jettison them, if I’m still alive.

Response to SheltieLover (Reply #4)

Demobrat

(10,297 posts)
60. I was given a time for a callback
Thu Feb 27, 2025, 08:59 PM
Feb 2025

and somebody called me back on time. And they were lovely.

Lonestarblue

(13,460 posts)
85. I called SS when I retired, left a message, and got a callback within half an hour.
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 09:34 AM
Feb 2025

The person who called was incredibly helpful in answering my questions and getting me enrolled. A couple of years ago, I called Medicare to report a fraudulent billing. I was on hold for maybe 3 minutes. The person I spoke with expressed gratitude that I was reporting the fraud (multiple billings for expensive diabetes supplies from a company in another city and for a disease I do not have) since so many people just do not bother. The fraud Musk is hunting for is not committed by government workers. It’s committed by private businesses like his.

SheltieLover

(80,208 posts)
89. Ty for reporting G he fraud!
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 09:46 AM
Feb 2025

I totally agree with you about the fraud companies commit!

Glad you had great experiences.

ChazInAz

(3,016 posts)
93. Nine hours for me.
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 10:02 AM
Feb 2025

SS deposit didn't happen, tried to contact them.
Tried calling them. Nine hours. Nada.
I have bills to pay.

homegirl

(1,964 posts)
78. I have had occassion
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 01:06 AM
Feb 2025

to seek the services of my local SSA office a few times in the recent past. Each time my wait, without an appointment was around 15-20 minutes. The location seemed to be understaffed, yet my service was polite, speedy and effective.

erronis

(23,771 posts)
13. Oh, yes. Those cash outflows to recipients look like prey to musk/putin/orangutang
Thu Feb 27, 2025, 07:25 PM
Feb 2025

I'm actually surprised I got mine this month.

At this point it isn't how much $$$ they can steal from this country. It has to be how they can destroy the people.

Gary 50

(489 posts)
53. How much will these nazi billionaires have to take from us
Thu Feb 27, 2025, 08:44 PM
Feb 2025

before the pitchforks come into play. They need to be made afraid.

Irish_Dem

(81,115 posts)
54. Both Trump and Musk want to be trillionaires.
Thu Feb 27, 2025, 08:47 PM
Feb 2025

I don't know if or when the public will get mad.
Not just at Musk and Trump but all the other greedy billionaires
and corporations.

If it were me, I would be asking France to loan us their guillotines.

NJCher

(43,092 posts)
63. not that this will stop him, but
Thu Feb 27, 2025, 09:10 PM
Feb 2025

Legally that will go nowhere. This is not an entitlement; it is a system where we paid in and they are legally obligated to pay out.

HighFired49

(489 posts)
98. It is an entitlement
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 01:33 PM
Feb 2025

That word "entitlement" originally meant that since we individually paid for it, we are entitled to the proceeds of our investment when we retire. The R's have used it incorrectly, or given it a bad name, implying that it's something free that we feel entitled to, just because.

NJCher

(43,092 posts)
102. wouldn't surprise me
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 01:52 PM
Feb 2025

if they misused the word. I'll check on that when I have a little time and change it accordingly.

Bengus81

(10,141 posts)
5. Yeah...72 million on SS and Medicare. Hell Trump they could probaby do everything
Thu Feb 27, 2025, 07:05 PM
Feb 2025

with 50-75 employee's. Drop DEAD fucker...TONIGHT!!

KatyaR

(3,638 posts)
8. Just saw this after in local news that
Thu Feb 27, 2025, 07:08 PM
Feb 2025

they're closing the SS office in Lawton, OK, home to the Fort Sill Army Base. I believe that means people will have to drive anywhere from 50 to almost 100 miles, if not farther, to see someone at an office.

 

Sky Jewels

(9,148 posts)
81. Well, Oklahoma loves it some right wing Nazis
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 02:56 AM
Feb 2025

Soooo, yeah, at least they won’t have any trans athletes playing high school sports.

yellow dahlia

(5,795 posts)
17. When computers call me, I hang up.
Thu Feb 27, 2025, 07:35 PM
Feb 2025

This will be another contract for muskRAT and other techbros waiting in the wings.

I have heard AI is not ready to take on all of this kind of stuff.

But also - how much $ will actually be saved? The cost will just shift to privatization and contracts for the oligarchs, or "piraticization" (as coined by Kid Berwyn).

senseandsensibility

(24,884 posts)
16. It seems they are doing what they can to
Thu Feb 27, 2025, 07:35 PM
Feb 2025

make running the administration of this enormous agency impossible. There is a lot of damage that can be done without cutting benefits. And by making the agency dysfunctional it will lose some of the enormous popularity it enjoys now.

bluestarone

(22,100 posts)
19. Well, they keep pushing the limits slowly to see what they CAN continue to do.
Thu Feb 27, 2025, 07:46 PM
Feb 2025

We cannot allow even small illegal victories. When we actually KNOW what the Supreme Court will do to protect TSF we have to make a move!

EndlessWire

(8,103 posts)
26. Just want to point out
Thu Feb 27, 2025, 07:53 PM
Feb 2025

that it will not lose popularity if it's the only money you're getting to buy food and pay utilities.

senseandsensibility

(24,884 posts)
34. True, assuming
Thu Feb 27, 2025, 08:02 PM
Feb 2025

there is someone to mail it to you. But turning non recipients into sceptics is a long-term goal of the libertarian types. They know that if younger people feel the system is broken, they will be less likely to want to pay in or to support politicians that protect social security.

RobinA

(10,478 posts)
95. That's My Sense
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 10:19 AM
Feb 2025

of where this is going. Eventually our government will just grind to a halt agency by agency. Getting it up and running again will be much harder than shutting it down was.

Diraven

(1,889 posts)
20. They'll claim
Thu Feb 27, 2025, 07:47 PM
Feb 2025

That they never took it away. When people just stop getting Social Security because not enough people are left to run it they'll just repeat the conservative mantra that "government doesn't work" so we might as well just stop having one.

synni

(773 posts)
35. And how would the people win this war?
Thu Feb 27, 2025, 08:02 PM
Feb 2025

The Republicans are hiding from town halls, and the Democrats are doing very little, except for a few of them.

maxsolomon

(38,653 posts)
41. Where are Dems supposed to do something? In Congress?
Thu Feb 27, 2025, 08:13 PM
Feb 2025

Making a stink on TV isn't actually DOING anything.

When the Repukes need to pass a CR to keep the Fedrul Gubmint open on March 15th, you'll see the Senate Dems doing plenty.

Hieronymus Phact

(743 posts)
49. Wrong
Thu Feb 27, 2025, 08:32 PM
Feb 2025

"Making a stink on TV isn't actually DOING anything."

Yes it is! it's raising awareness, It's getting the word out, its one of the few things they CAN do as the minority.

chouchou

(3,125 posts)
58. Oh Yeah..Your words are true.
Thu Feb 27, 2025, 08:55 PM
Feb 2025

We need to hammer-into-the-public how disgusting this administration is going to screw us..

maxsolomon

(38,653 posts)
99. No, I'm right. "Raising awareness" is not the same as DOING SOMETHING to stop it.
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 01:37 PM
Feb 2025

MAGA holds the Executive and Legislative branches, and the Judicial branch is sorely compromised with their hand-selected ideologues.

Democratic Pols can only stop this slashing agenda through legislation. The CR to keep the Fedrul Gubmint open is that opportunity. 2 weeks from now.

I'm so aware of what's going on my mental health is impacted. Low Information Voters? They don't listen no matter how loud Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders gets.

Hieronymus Phact

(743 posts)
110. Democratic Pols can only stop this slashing agenda through legislation. ???
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 12:17 PM
Mar 2025

Is that a joke? what part of having virtually no power over over legislation are you not understanding. They have some, SOME Tiny leverage for votes they're needed for, but that's it. They have no power to do anything "through legislation." That's why they need to be vocal and visible in the media.

maxsolomon

(38,653 posts)
111. They have power in the upcoming CR negotiations
Mon Mar 10, 2025, 12:30 PM
Mar 2025

Repukes will have to compromise to get it through the Senate or the Gubmint shuts down.

They don't have power to stop a Reconciliation bill.

The slashing agenda is being done outside the Legislative Branch. The Dems cannot stop that with speeches. They haven't stopped it in the 2 weeks since I made my last comment in this thread. It wasn't a joke.

ancianita

(43,302 posts)
52. It would be a youth backed war, too, since younguns don't need one more thing to burden their lives.
Thu Feb 27, 2025, 08:43 PM
Feb 2025

They love their grands, but the expense and sacrifices of their own lives and livelihoods would totally shift them into stealth attack mode.

Srkdqltr

(9,729 posts)
15. Husband was supposed to get ss after an injury. He was rejected at first, we went to a ss lawyer.
Thu Feb 27, 2025, 07:34 PM
Feb 2025

It was faster and he did all the fileing . He took a portion of our first check, but it was worth it.

CoopersDad

(3,319 posts)
21. Cuts in staff, not cuts in benefits, correct?
Thu Feb 27, 2025, 07:48 PM
Feb 2025

I’m just saying, we’re all worried and don’t need unnecessary worry.

Thanks for the post!

senseandsensibility

(24,884 posts)
23. Right
Thu Feb 27, 2025, 07:51 PM
Feb 2025

I can appreciate that. Just quoting Marshall. But how will they run the agency if they fire the workers? One thing we know. It won't go smoothly because everything they do is chaos.

 

Silent Type

(12,412 posts)
48. Honestly, SS should be pretty much automated beyond signing up. Don't want anyone fired but
Thu Feb 27, 2025, 08:30 PM
Feb 2025

55K employees seems excessive. It’s not like some employees have to calculate payments with a pencil and adding machine. But I’m not for cutting positions without some study. They do handle disability hearings, etc. Would not want those impacted. Also think attribution would tighten things up, if that’s really necessary.

I’ve worked for government and private employers. There are inefficiencies in both.

Wifes husband

(720 posts)
74. All they have to do is administer 70,000,000 acounts
Thu Feb 27, 2025, 11:34 PM
Feb 2025

Last edited Fri Feb 28, 2025, 01:55 AM - Edit history (1)

56,000 people should be enough.

After all, everyone of those people are completely trained, no performance reviews have to be conducted. No one retires or quits so that there is no problem finding qualified and completely trained people.

No one has to answer the phone. None of those 70,000,000 people have questions. Luckily, answering those questions does not require trained personal.

No computers have problems, none have to be bought and set up. There is never a software glitch.

Congress never changes the rules so that they never have to be analyzed and implemented.

No one tries to game the system, so they don't have to have people checking to maintain the integrity of the system.


What we need to do is get a bunch of arrogant, snot nosed children, with no credentials or experience to just try to overhaul an unbelievably complicated system in a couple of weeks.

Piece of cake

 

Silent Type

(12,412 posts)
77. 70 M accounts that pushing a couple of buttons sends checks, etc. Now, disability and the like
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 12:59 AM
Feb 2025

is different.

I bet no human has even looked at my SS account in 10 years. Again, they do other stuff.

Wifes husband

(720 posts)
79. Yeah. I tried to illustrate the "other stuff"
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 01:53 AM
Feb 2025

There is a lot of work involved in "just pushing the button". Lot of overtime, missed weekends, etc.

And it sure looks like people appreciate it.

But, I give up.

wishstar

(5,828 posts)
83. SS offices also handle Supplemental Security Income which is very complicated
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 07:33 AM
Feb 2025

There are many more eligibility variables with SSI because it is "needs based" where income, savings, property, family living arrangements and changing circumstances determine benefit amounts for disabled children and adults and seniors with low income.

Unlike Social Security, the over 7 million SSI recipients have to be contacted for redeterminations every year (or more if they have had changes). This program is not paid from SS trusts funds but from general revenues but is administered alongside Social Security by the field offices Federal employees. So it's not like they just plug in someone's initial data and are done with them.

https://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/chartbooks/fast_facts/2024/fast_facts24.html

WestMichRad

(3,229 posts)
67. Yeah, they're not cutting benefits (yet)...
Thu Feb 27, 2025, 09:37 PM
Feb 2025

… just trashing the staffing so that the organization can’t function effectively any more. Then will come the demand that it be privatized, cuz “government doesn’t function.” And once privatized, money would begin to disappear mysteriously…. and SS benefits would then spiral downward.

Nothing at all to worry about!

Magoo48

(6,720 posts)
24. I am one of the millions of geezers in this nation.
Thu Feb 27, 2025, 07:53 PM
Feb 2025

And, if we don’t get off our collective asses soon and really find some creative ways to fuck with these people, they will bury us. The magnitude of the response we must quickly unleash is unprecedented. Can we do it? Will we do it? What we need most, in my opinion, are some willing organizers to show up where there are large communities of us to help get us started.
Stay tuned.

PatrickforB

(15,420 posts)
32. Yep call your worthless lizards in Congress, AND ring the AARP phone off the hook. Those jerks claim to
Thu Feb 27, 2025, 08:00 PM
Feb 2025

be advocates for Social Security and Medicare but they suck in terms of actually doing it.

Amaryllis

(11,253 posts)
39. MIne are not worthless. Wyden and Merkley have worked tirelessly for us. IT's not fair to generalize like that.
Thu Feb 27, 2025, 08:10 PM
Feb 2025

PatrickforB

(15,420 posts)
65. Sorry, Amaryllis, but I've worked hard, hard, hard all my life and I've paid in full-boat to Social Security for FORTY
Thu Feb 27, 2025, 09:30 PM
Feb 2025

years.

Let me just ask you this. What do we have to show for these Democrats who have fought tirelessly for us all these years?

Trump? DOGE? The rise of the Klan and American Nazis? A nationwide abortion ban? A media that is so biased we as a people no longer know truth from lies? RFK already refusing to even plan for next year's flu vaccine?

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. I'm just saying it is time for the Democrats to get mean and ugly. Make these people fight tooth and nail for every inch.

Time for US to learn to play the long game because we're going to have to.

Amaryllis

(11,253 posts)
42. Check out Indivisible. https://indivisible.org/ They are doing alll the things you ask for. A Wonderful organization.
Thu Feb 27, 2025, 08:13 PM
Feb 2025

But it has been hard to get DUers involved. Seems many would rather just complain.

Linda ladeewolf

(1,138 posts)
55. Bernie Sanders knows how to fuck with them.
Thu Feb 27, 2025, 08:48 PM
Feb 2025

It is my hope that he holds rallies all over the nation and helps us organize. He will know where to hit them the hardest legally and what methods will be most effective. I think he’s been preparing for it where the rest are throwing up their hands in despair. Timothy Snyder is very good and Malcolm Nance as well. We will get it together in time.

Wiz Imp

(9,933 posts)
25. There's already Huge delays in Social Security processing new retirement applications
Thu Feb 27, 2025, 07:53 PM
Feb 2025

Just imagine what this is gonna do. It may take years for some people before they start getting their benefits.

https://community.aarp.org/t5/Social-Security/Huge-delays-in-Social-Security-processing-new-retirement/m-p/2492283

senseandsensibility

(24,884 posts)
27. Yes
Thu Feb 27, 2025, 07:56 PM
Feb 2025

and they have a new task that wasn't funded: The SS Fairness Act signed by Biden. How will they proceed with that now?

Quakerfriend

(5,882 posts)
38. Yes, they need more workers not fewer.
Thu Feb 27, 2025, 08:07 PM
Feb 2025

I applied online to begin receiving retirement benefits on 10/23/24. The approval finally came through on 2/18/25. 🙄

Luckily, I was not depending on that income.

Wiz Imp

(9,933 posts)
50. I'm glad you finally got approved ...
Thu Feb 27, 2025, 08:33 PM
Feb 2025
but never should have had to wait that long. Now you just have to hope they don't mess with the payments.
 

Silent Type

(12,412 posts)
71. In this case I have no idea what caused that, but I bet money the system can be improved in ways that
Thu Feb 27, 2025, 10:52 PM
Feb 2025

don’t rely on more people. I don’t support firing people without a thorough evaluation, using attrition over several years, helping with reassignment, etc., if RIFs are necessary.

Fortunately, a few agency heads have been able to convince trump/musk that their back of a napkin calculations on dismissals won’t work.

Wiz Imp

(9,933 posts)
72. It's been pretty well documented that delays at the SSA can be traced directly to under staffing.
Thu Feb 27, 2025, 11:20 PM
Feb 2025
https://www.urban.org/urban-wire/downsizing-staff-will-make-it-harder-receive-social-security-payments#:~:text=Shortages%20in%20trained%20staff%20in,twice%20the%20prepandemic%20wait%20time.

Downsizing Staff Will Make It Harder to Receive Social Security Payments

For the more than 1 million Americans with pending decisions for Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI) and Supplemental Security Income (SSI) disability benefits, the Trump administration’s efforts to downsize the federal workforce will assuredly make it harder to receive approval, meaning even longer wait times to receive their benefits.

Already, the Social Security Administration (SSA) has a backlog of claims on track to exceed 2 million beneficiaries (PDF), even if current staffing levels remain flat. Shortages in trained staff in recent years have increased the number of pending claims, increasing wait times. On average, applicants for SSDI and SSI disability benefits currently wait seven months for an initial eligibility determination, twice the prepandemic wait time.

In 2023, a fully trained disability examiner resolved an average of 579 initial eligibility determinations a year (PDF). But staffing shortages mean fully trained examiners must take time to train new hires, reducing their productivity. The number of fully trained disability examiners who were not training others dropped from 6,627 in 2018 to 5,252 in 2023, and pending claims increased. More staffing cuts will likely prolong this trend, leading to even larger backlogs.

Without enough staff to address claim backlogs, wait times to receive benefits increase, which can place people with disabilities at risk of serious negative health and financial outcomes. Since the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic, wait times have increased by 100 percent, now taking more than six months on average for an initial decision to be made.


When it comes to Social SEcurity, it may well not be possible to squeeze any more savings out of the benefit review process.

https://blog.ssa.gov/the-tough-necessary-work-to-reduce-disability-wait-times/

Consider this: As recently as 2018, SSA’s operating budget represented 1.2% of the annual benefits it pays, an overhead rate much lower than insurance companies. At that time, DDS offices could make an initial determination, on average, in less than four months. Today, though, SSA’s budget has shrunk to 0.94% of annual benefits, leading to challenges such as hiring and keeping state-level staff at DDS offices. As a result, turnaround times on initial determinations have roughly doubled. We want to work with Congress to secure the increases in the President’s 2025 budget, which is a big step in the right direction to help SSA to improve service levels and reduce wait times.

In total, over the past four years, Congress has funded SSA’s operating costs at a level almost $3 billion below budget requests. This underfunding – which began in 2018 – led to an increase in pending disability claims by 94%, a processing backlog jump of 60%, and a tripling in the time it takes to answer calls on our 800-number.

PatrickforB

(15,420 posts)
31. OK, massive blowback. All of us on here should be calling our senators and representative DAILY on this exact issue.
Thu Feb 27, 2025, 07:59 PM
Feb 2025

Because we have to DO something about these fucking pieces of human excrement.

I've paid full boat into Social Security and Medicare for FORTY YEARS and those fucks better not fuck it up.

And you know what? IF there is another election..............................ever.................................here in 'Murika, I will gather all the old folks like me in my representatives district (heavily red) and we will stump for whatever lame candidate the Democrats run against her. Hell, my Siamese cat would be better than her.

Fuck! Fucking assholes.

You know there will be a reckoning for Eyore and Trump and the rest of this mobbed up bunch. Maybe not in my life but these pieces of crap will end up in the dock for crimes against humanity and I am rooting for us to bring back the guillotine.

Sibelius Fan

(24,801 posts)
37. Step one is firing staff.
Thu Feb 27, 2025, 08:06 PM
Feb 2025

Step two is arbitrarily stopping benefit payments to a large number of recipients in the name of “eliminating fraud.” There will be no fraud, but benefits will still cease being paid.

Step three is good luck trying to reclaim your falsely suspended benefits when there’s no one left at the office to call.

Raftergirl

(1,853 posts)
44. I recently had excellent service from my local SS office (all over the phone) irt my spousal benefit increase
Thu Feb 27, 2025, 08:16 PM
Feb 2025

as my H just had applied in October. SS actually contacted me by mail telling me I was eligible to apply and name of person and number to call. He got his first deposit in January and I got my SS boost in my January deposit.

I’m thrilled we were able to get it all done before the Nazi’s took over.

mentalsolstice

(4,653 posts)
51. I'm 64, turn 65 in December, I've been getting SSDI since 2007.
Thu Feb 27, 2025, 08:34 PM
Feb 2025

Supposedly, the way it used work, once you turn 65 your benefits turns from SSDI to regular SS benefits, and you’re free from the work limitations of SSDI. Frankly, I’m scared of what the next six months might mean for people on SSDI who will be transitioning to regular SS.

Trueblue Texan

(4,427 posts)
57. You know, even before a corporation changes a logo...
Thu Feb 27, 2025, 08:51 PM
Feb 2025

...they put extensive time and study into it. These MFERs couldn't care less, no in fact, they INTEND to wreck the systems we rely on. They are going in slashing and destroying and they have no intention of trying to understand what they are doing...what's to understand? They are TRYING to create confusion and unrest to bring our nation to its knees. No study required for mass destruction.

Farmgirl1961

(1,665 posts)
59. UGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thu Feb 27, 2025, 08:55 PM
Feb 2025

I'm 63 -- will be 64 in October. I am eligible to collect my SS benefits, but was planning on waiting until 67 to get full benefits (as the monthly payment is significantly higher)... but now I'm wondering if I should start the application to collect sooner... in the event there aren't employees, or an agency or the benefits to pay out. Thoughts? BTW, my husband filed for his benefits back in December and is supposed to start receiving his benefits any day now (finally cleared the last step about a week ago).

mahina

(20,633 posts)
73. Wondering about this too. I had planned to wait. The stress these traitors are causing American citizens!
Thu Feb 27, 2025, 11:30 PM
Feb 2025

Farmgirl1961

(1,665 posts)
109. After thinking about it...
Thu Mar 6, 2025, 03:55 PM
Mar 2025

I really need to wait until I am closer to 65 to apply. I am on OHP (Oregon’s Medicaid program) and the state marketplace options aren’t that good). I know that things may change down the road with respect to OHP funding and coverage but at the moment I need to get all my medical services covered.

Skittles

(171,556 posts)
75. it's not just the people being cut
Thu Feb 27, 2025, 11:45 PM
Feb 2025

the workers left are overworked, demoralized, and live in fear of layoffs

the misery from Trump.2 spreads far and wide

mucholderthandirt

(1,783 posts)
84. Oh, guys! Don't worry, Musk has an AI to run the government, no people needed! Just wait...
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 09:13 AM
Feb 2025

It will all work perfectly and we'll be so happy we don't have to bother calling anyone, or waiting in line at some dump of an office. It's going to be a utopia! Really. Why are you looking at me like that?

HarryM

(462 posts)
90. I hope that people
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 09:46 AM
Feb 2025

At very least contact their Legislators. If and when they do this, they will find out that they are burying themselves

Bluetus

(2,737 posts)
100. The government shutdown isn't in mid-March. It is underway now.
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 01:38 PM
Feb 2025

But the major media is not reporting it.

There is no point in fighting to keep 1/3 of the government open in March. The best scenario is to confront this all head on -- no cooperation on anything until all the firings have been annulled. and DOGE eliminated. If the Good Old Putin party has enough votes to move forward without us, so be it. Then we can devote 100% of our time to the PR battles.

BrianTheEVGuy

(697 posts)
103. Hmmmm
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 02:27 PM
Feb 2025

I want to be sad, but seniors overwhelmingly supported Trump.

If someone must be harmed by Trump, let it be those who supported him. I will work to help the non-Trump minority while reminding MAGA seniors that they’re getting exactly what they voted for — and exactly what they deserve.

louis-t

(24,612 posts)
104. When magats start to feel the pain
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 03:12 PM
Feb 2025

they will turn against him. Already started, but not enough. 50% of his voters need to turn against him. Be vigilant, be aware. It's gonna be a bumpy ride.

timms139

(538 posts)
105. I don't think the people
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 03:30 PM
Feb 2025

will let them screw up their benefits and not take up arms at that point to take the country back . I think that will be the red line for this bunch of quacks to cross .

mdbl

(8,636 posts)
106. I had to wait three weeks for a callback
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 03:57 PM
Feb 2025

And they did call. Now I hope everything gets processed.

DENVERPOPS

(13,003 posts)
107. They can't trash SSI directly
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 05:01 PM
Feb 2025

so they do the next best thing; Neuter them

Reagan was infamous for doing that to many Federal Regulatory Agencies.......And now, Trump and the Republican party are outright trying to do away with them entirely. And not just the ones Reagan castrated to the point of being in-effective, but a bunch of other federal regulatory agencies at the same time......

snot

(11,792 posts)
108. You can only speak with a human at the SS office in my major metropolis
Fri Feb 28, 2025, 05:49 PM
Feb 2025

on certain weekdays, and the line outside the office to do so is around the block.

And I've seen no sign of inefficiency among the employees I've managed to deal with.

This will be a disaster.

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