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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBREAKING Big Cuts at Social Security
From Josh Marshall three minutes ago: "Okay looking at the details of the memo. But the plan for massive reduction in the size of the social security administration has just dropped. It's happening. More shortly."
He is covering this as breaking news on BlueSky and is asking anyone working for ssa to contact him. He calls it the gutting of the social security administration.
Edited to add that he apparently has obtained an internal memo sent to SS staff.
"A short time ago the Human Resources office of the Social Security Administration sent out what it titled a major 'organizational restructuring" of the agency. As one SSA vet put it to me, this 'we are giving you a chance to leave of your own accord before we fire you." Marshall wrote.
lapfog_1
(31,879 posts)or even complaining.
SheltieLover
(80,208 posts)Gawd, it's at least an hour wait, then they tell you to go to your local office, which fELON is planning to close many of.
Bengus81
(10,141 posts)that hold was maybe five minutes if that.
SheltieLover
(80,208 posts)debm55
(60,297 posts)Last edited Thu Feb 27, 2025, 10:05 PM - Edit history (1)
will never get back. Put on speaker and did my crafts.
The did tell me that I could have call back in 2-3 days. I wasn't staying
around the house for 2-3 days waiting
WestMichRad
(3,229 posts)Many hours on hold that resulted in absolutely nothing.
Theyre severely understaffed now, BEFORE any cuts.
Grins
(9,437 posts)IRS? That was longer, but the issues with IRS callers are more complex.
Wifes husband
(720 posts)They have always been easy to work with
lapfog_1
(31,879 posts)the SSA that she earned from her now deceased ex-husband... I don't remember how many calls, letters, documents, and a few meetings this all took... but the entire process was maybe 8 months.
SheltieLover
(80,208 posts)Anything that serves the people paying the bills is inconvenient at best.
milestogo
(23,056 posts)Its obvious they are already understaffed. After they cut back more I have no idea how they will get anyone to work there. It will go from really bad to impossible.
SheltieLover
(80,208 posts)slightlv
(7,782 posts)The fact they're cutting the administration means not only that wait times on phone and in-person visits will be that much harder to get, but I worry that the few staff that are left in office will be able to keep up with sending out the SS money each month, every month, to each of the current SS recipients... let alone those he's "retiring" from Fed Service right now. (There were still a LOT of Boomers working for the Fed govt when I retired early at 63).
Hubby cleaning out our bank accounts due to falling victim to a scam was hard enough to handle... it'll be just like not getting a social security check on time one month. I've got most of the bills coming due around that 13th of the month date. I worked things to get it that way. And who sends out my annuity check (as small as it is) on the 1st of the month? Since I retired as DoD civilian, does that stay inhouse with DoD... or is that farmed out to SS?
Christ almighty... nearly 70 years old and I'm having to deal with this crap, while also caretaking hubs whose memory is basically shot. I've already instituted changes around here for bill paying, to make it easier on myself and make myself track more each month. Hopefully that'll stop forgotten bills. And clue me in to those invoices I've not gotten for some reason (like hubs throwing one in the trash last month). Always have the money to pay 2 months total + $40 late fee.
Kill Musk... one way or another. Why the hell isn't anyone taking him to court? He wasn't elected to anything, and Congress did NOT create his "special department." He's got teenagers wading through our PI willy-nilly and selling it to who knows who. I know some major Countries that would love to get their hands on our PI.
Of course, no matter what, count on Musk/trump taking it to the SCOTUS and the SCOTUS ruling immunity for trump... with nothing said or done about musk (because trump wants him there to do what project 2025 wants and then take the blame when it all falls to pieces.)
A hell of a lot of people... even more Magas, I'll bet... are gonna find out they depend on the federal government for a lot of payments and/or services. I hope the Magats suffer. I'm sorry to say that, but I have no empathy left. My new phrase: Own the Magats.
calimary
(89,898 posts)FIRMLY attached.
LiberalArkie
(19,754 posts)SheltieLover
(80,208 posts)Anything that serves consumers...
LiberalArkie
(19,754 posts)So therefore, we must have to many people working the phones. Too much free time.
SheltieLover
(80,208 posts)Bird Lady
(1,996 posts)If you can get a human to talk to you will be wasting your time. As a retired dod employee I have geha insurance for health and dental. I now have been waiting for my cards for this year. I have made emergency requests for the cards. My pharmacy has denied my refills because I cant prove I am insured. Ive called opm twice and geha three times, the last time I was assured they were coming. That was a month ago. I have been paying for them for more years than I can remember. No more next open season I will jettison them, if Im still alive.
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Demobrat
(10,297 posts)and somebody called me back on time. And they were lovely.
SheltieLover
(80,208 posts)Wolf Frankula
(3,832 posts)I was put on hold for two hours, then they hung up on me.
Wolf
Wifes husband
(720 posts)SheltieLover
(80,208 posts)Lonestarblue
(13,460 posts)The person who called was incredibly helpful in answering my questions and getting me enrolled. A couple of years ago, I called Medicare to report a fraudulent billing. I was on hold for maybe 3 minutes. The person I spoke with expressed gratitude that I was reporting the fraud (multiple billings for expensive diabetes supplies from a company in another city and for a disease I do not have) since so many people just do not bother. The fraud Musk is hunting for is not committed by government workers. Its committed by private businesses like his.
SheltieLover
(80,208 posts)I totally agree with you about the fraud companies commit!
Glad you had great experiences.
ChazInAz
(3,016 posts)SS deposit didn't happen, tried to contact them.
Tried calling them. Nine hours. Nada.
I have bills to pay.
SheltieLover
(80,208 posts)I hope you get it resolved!
homegirl
(1,964 posts)to seek the services of my local SSA office a few times in the recent past. Each time my wait, without an appointment was around 15-20 minutes. The location seemed to be understaffed, yet my service was polite, speedy and effective.
SheltieLover
(80,208 posts)RoadRunner
(4,719 posts)Im guessing its already on the table.
erronis
(23,771 posts)I'm actually surprised I got mine this month.
At this point it isn't how much $$$ they can steal from this country. It has to be how they can destroy the people.
Irish_Dem
(81,115 posts)Gary 50
(489 posts)before the pitchforks come into play. They need to be made afraid.
Irish_Dem
(81,115 posts)I don't know if or when the public will get mad.
Not just at Musk and Trump but all the other greedy billionaires
and corporations.
If it were me, I would be asking France to loan us their guillotines.
The Madcap
(1,892 posts)NJCher
(43,092 posts)Legally that will go nowhere. This is not an entitlement; it is a system where we paid in and they are legally obligated to pay out.
HighFired49
(489 posts)That word "entitlement" originally meant that since we individually paid for it, we are entitled to the proceeds of our investment when we retire. The R's have used it incorrectly, or given it a bad name, implying that it's something free that we feel entitled to, just because.
NJCher
(43,092 posts)if they misused the word. I'll check on that when I have a little time and change it accordingly.
Bengus81
(10,141 posts)with 50-75 employee's. Drop DEAD fucker...TONIGHT!!
KatyaR
(3,638 posts)they're closing the SS office in Lawton, OK, home to the Fort Sill Army Base. I believe that means people will have to drive anywhere from 50 to almost 100 miles, if not farther, to see someone at an office.
Sky Jewels
(9,148 posts)Soooo, yeah, at least they wont have any trans athletes playing high school sports.
Amaryllis
(11,253 posts)bucolic_frolic
(55,032 posts)yellow dahlia
(5,795 posts)This will be another contract for muskRAT and other techbros waiting in the wings.
I have heard AI is not ready to take on all of this kind of stuff.
But also - how much $ will actually be saved? The cost will just shift to privatization and contracts for the oligarchs, or "piraticization" (as coined by Kid Berwyn).
bluestarone
(22,100 posts)they took SS away from Americans.
senseandsensibility
(24,884 posts)make running the administration of this enormous agency impossible.
There is a lot of damage that can be done without cutting benefits. And by making the agency dysfunctional it will lose some of the enormous popularity it enjoys now.
bluestarone
(22,100 posts)We cannot allow even small illegal victories. When we actually KNOW what the Supreme Court will do to protect TSF we have to make a move!
EndlessWire
(8,103 posts)that it will not lose popularity if it's the only money you're getting to buy food and pay utilities.
senseandsensibility
(24,884 posts)there is someone to mail it to you. But turning non recipients into sceptics is a long-term goal of the libertarian types. They know that if younger people feel the system is broken, they will be less likely to want to pay in or to support politicians that protect social security.
RobinA
(10,478 posts)of where this is going. Eventually our government will just grind to a halt agency by agency. Getting it up and running again will be much harder than shutting it down was.
Diraven
(1,889 posts)That they never took it away. When people just stop getting Social Security because not enough people are left to run it they'll just repeat the conservative mantra that "government doesn't work" so we might as well just stop having one.
synni
(773 posts)The Republicans are hiding from town halls, and the Democrats are doing very little, except for a few of them.
maxsolomon
(38,653 posts)Making a stink on TV isn't actually DOING anything.
When the Repukes need to pass a CR to keep the Fedrul Gubmint open on March 15th, you'll see the Senate Dems doing plenty.
Hieronymus Phact
(743 posts)"Making a stink on TV isn't actually DOING anything."
Yes it is! it's raising awareness, It's getting the word out, its one of the few things they CAN do as the minority.
chouchou
(3,125 posts)We need to hammer-into-the-public how disgusting this administration is going to screw us..
maxsolomon
(38,653 posts)MAGA holds the Executive and Legislative branches, and the Judicial branch is sorely compromised with their hand-selected ideologues.
Democratic Pols can only stop this slashing agenda through legislation. The CR to keep the Fedrul Gubmint open is that opportunity. 2 weeks from now.
I'm so aware of what's going on my mental health is impacted. Low Information Voters? They don't listen no matter how loud Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders gets.
Hieronymus Phact
(743 posts)Is that a joke? what part of having virtually no power over over legislation are you not understanding. They have some, SOME Tiny leverage for votes they're needed for, but that's it. They have no power to do anything "through legislation." That's why they need to be vocal and visible in the media.
maxsolomon
(38,653 posts)Repukes will have to compromise to get it through the Senate or the Gubmint shuts down.
They don't have power to stop a Reconciliation bill.
The slashing agenda is being done outside the Legislative Branch. The Dems cannot stop that with speeches. They haven't stopped it in the 2 weeks since I made my last comment in this thread. It wasn't a joke.
bluestarone
(22,100 posts)WE Americans will surprise lots of people
ancianita
(43,302 posts)They love their grands, but the expense and sacrifices of their own lives and livelihoods would totally shift them into stealth attack mode.
Srkdqltr
(9,729 posts)It was faster and he did all the fileing . He took a portion of our first check, but it was worth it.
dalton99a
(94,061 posts)CoopersDad
(3,319 posts)Im just saying, were all worried and dont need unnecessary worry.
Thanks for the post!
senseandsensibility
(24,884 posts)I can appreciate that. Just quoting Marshall. But how will they run the agency if they fire the workers? One thing we know. It won't go smoothly because everything they do is chaos.
orangecrush
(30,162 posts)Your benefits may not show up.
Silent Type
(12,412 posts)55K employees seems excessive. Its not like some employees have to calculate payments with a pencil and adding machine. But Im not for cutting positions without some study. They do handle disability hearings, etc. Would not want those impacted. Also think attribution would tighten things up, if thats really necessary.
Ive worked for government and private employers. There are inefficiencies in both.
Wifes husband
(720 posts)Last edited Fri Feb 28, 2025, 01:55 AM - Edit history (1)
56,000 people should be enough.
After all, everyone of those people are completely trained, no performance reviews have to be conducted. No one retires or quits so that there is no problem finding qualified and completely trained people.
No one has to answer the phone. None of those 70,000,000 people have questions. Luckily, answering those questions does not require trained personal.
No computers have problems, none have to be bought and set up. There is never a software glitch.
Congress never changes the rules so that they never have to be analyzed and implemented.
No one tries to game the system, so they don't have to have people checking to maintain the integrity of the system.
What we need to do is get a bunch of arrogant, snot nosed children, with no credentials or experience to just try to overhaul an unbelievably complicated system in a couple of weeks.
Piece of cake
Silent Type
(12,412 posts)is different.
I bet no human has even looked at my SS account in 10 years. Again, they do other stuff.
Wifes husband
(720 posts)There is a lot of work involved in "just pushing the button". Lot of overtime, missed weekends, etc.
And it sure looks like people appreciate it.
But, I give up.
wishstar
(5,828 posts)There are many more eligibility variables with SSI because it is "needs based" where income, savings, property, family living arrangements and changing circumstances determine benefit amounts for disabled children and adults and seniors with low income.
Unlike Social Security, the over 7 million SSI recipients have to be contacted for redeterminations every year (or more if they have had changes). This program is not paid from SS trusts funds but from general revenues but is administered alongside Social Security by the field offices Federal employees. So it's not like they just plug in someone's initial data and are done with them.
https://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/chartbooks/fast_facts/2024/fast_facts24.html
WestMichRad
(3,229 posts)
just trashing the staffing so that the organization cant function effectively any more. Then will come the demand that it be privatized, cuz government doesnt function. And once privatized, money would begin to disappear mysteriously
. and SS benefits would then spiral downward.
Nothing at all to worry about!
Joinfortmill
(21,080 posts)There is so much wrong with our system that I was not aware of.
Magoo48
(6,720 posts)And, if we dont get off our collective asses soon and really find some creative ways to fuck with these people, they will bury us. The magnitude of the response we must quickly unleash is unprecedented. Can we do it? Will we do it? What we need most, in my opinion, are some willing organizers to show up where there are large communities of us to help get us started.
Stay tuned.
orangecrush
(30,162 posts)PatrickforB
(15,420 posts)be advocates for Social Security and Medicare but they suck in terms of actually doing it.
Amaryllis
(11,253 posts)PatrickforB
(15,420 posts)years.
Let me just ask you this. What do we have to show for these Democrats who have fought tirelessly for us all these years?
Trump? DOGE? The rise of the Klan and American Nazis? A nationwide abortion ban? A media that is so biased we as a people no longer know truth from lies? RFK already refusing to even plan for next year's flu vaccine?
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. I'm just saying it is time for the Democrats to get mean and ugly. Make these people fight tooth and nail for every inch.
Time for US to learn to play the long game because we're going to have to.
Amaryllis
(11,253 posts)But it has been hard to get DUers involved. Seems many would rather just complain.
Cha
(318,802 posts)Magoo48
(6,720 posts)Linda ladeewolf
(1,138 posts)It is my hope that he holds rallies all over the nation and helps us organize. He will know where to hit them the hardest legally and what methods will be most effective. I think hes been preparing for it where the rest are throwing up their hands in despair. Timothy Snyder is very good and Malcolm Nance as well. We will get it together in time.
Wiz Imp
(9,933 posts)Just imagine what this is gonna do. It may take years for some people before they start getting their benefits.
https://community.aarp.org/t5/Social-Security/Huge-delays-in-Social-Security-processing-new-retirement/m-p/2492283
senseandsensibility
(24,884 posts)and they have a new task that wasn't funded: The SS Fairness Act signed by Biden. How will they proceed with that now?
Quakerfriend
(5,882 posts)I applied online to begin receiving retirement benefits on 10/23/24. The approval finally came through on 2/18/25. 🙄
Luckily, I was not depending on that income.
Wiz Imp
(9,933 posts)Skittles
(171,556 posts)applying for benefits four months ahead is encouraged
Silent Type
(12,412 posts)dont rely on more people. I dont support firing people without a thorough evaluation, using attrition over several years, helping with reassignment, etc., if RIFs are necessary.
Fortunately, a few agency heads have been able to convince trump/musk that their back of a napkin calculations on dismissals wont work.
Wiz Imp
(9,933 posts)Downsizing Staff Will Make It Harder to Receive Social Security Payments
Already, the Social Security Administration (SSA) has a backlog of claims on track to exceed 2 million beneficiaries (PDF), even if current staffing levels remain flat. Shortages in trained staff in recent years have increased the number of pending claims, increasing wait times. On average, applicants for SSDI and SSI disability benefits currently wait seven months for an initial eligibility determination, twice the prepandemic wait time.
In 2023, a fully trained disability examiner resolved an average of 579 initial eligibility determinations a year (PDF). But staffing shortages mean fully trained examiners must take time to train new hires, reducing their productivity. The number of fully trained disability examiners who were not training others dropped from 6,627 in 2018 to 5,252 in 2023, and pending claims increased. More staffing cuts will likely prolong this trend, leading to even larger backlogs.
Without enough staff to address claim backlogs, wait times to receive benefits increase, which can place people with disabilities at risk of serious negative health and financial outcomes. Since the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic, wait times have increased by 100 percent, now taking more than six months on average for an initial decision to be made.
When it comes to Social SEcurity, it may well not be possible to squeeze any more savings out of the benefit review process.
https://blog.ssa.gov/the-tough-necessary-work-to-reduce-disability-wait-times/
In total, over the past four years, Congress has funded SSAs operating costs at a level almost $3 billion below budget requests. This underfunding which began in 2018 led to an increase in pending disability claims by 94%, a processing backlog jump of 60%, and a tripling in the time it takes to answer calls on our 800-number.
PatrickforB
(15,420 posts)Because we have to DO something about these fucking pieces of human excrement.
I've paid full boat into Social Security and Medicare for FORTY YEARS and those fucks better not fuck it up.
And you know what? IF there is another election..............................ever.................................here in 'Murika, I will gather all the old folks like me in my representatives district (heavily red) and we will stump for whatever lame candidate the Democrats run against her. Hell, my Siamese cat would be better than her.
Fuck! Fucking assholes.
You know there will be a reckoning for Eyore and Trump and the rest of this mobbed up bunch. Maybe not in my life but these pieces of crap will end up in the dock for crimes against humanity and I am rooting for us to bring back the guillotine.
TimeToGo
(1,443 posts)Sibelius Fan
(24,801 posts)Step two is arbitrarily stopping benefit payments to a large number of recipients in the name of eliminating fraud. There will be no fraud, but benefits will still cease being paid.
Step three is good luck trying to reclaim your falsely suspended benefits when theres no one left at the office to call.
intrepidity
(8,581 posts)Raftergirl
(1,853 posts)as my H just had applied in October. SS actually contacted me by mail telling me I was eligible to apply and name of person and number to call. He got his first deposit in January and I got my SS boost in my January deposit.
Im thrilled we were able to get it all done before the Nazis took over.
mentalsolstice
(4,653 posts)Supposedly, the way it used work, once you turn 65 your benefits turns from SSDI to regular SS benefits, and youre free from the work limitations of SSDI. Frankly, Im scared of what the next six months might mean for people on SSDI who will be transitioning to regular SS.
Trueblue Texan
(4,427 posts)...they put extensive time and study into it. These MFERs couldn't care less, no in fact, they INTEND to wreck the systems we rely on. They are going in slashing and destroying and they have no intention of trying to understand what they are doing...what's to understand? They are TRYING to create confusion and unrest to bring our nation to its knees. No study required for mass destruction.
Farmgirl1961
(1,665 posts)I'm 63 -- will be 64 in October. I am eligible to collect my SS benefits, but was planning on waiting until 67 to get full benefits (as the monthly payment is significantly higher)... but now I'm wondering if I should start the application to collect sooner... in the event there aren't employees, or an agency or the benefits to pay out. Thoughts? BTW, my husband filed for his benefits back in December and is supposed to start receiving his benefits any day now (finally cleared the last step about a week ago).
mahina
(20,633 posts)Farmgirl1961
(1,665 posts)I really need to wait until I am closer to 65 to apply. I am on OHP (Oregons Medicaid program) and the state marketplace options arent that good). I know that things may change down the road with respect to OHP funding and coverage but at the moment I need to get all my medical services covered.
HereForTheParty
(915 posts)Otherwise it's clickbait.
Skittles
(171,556 posts)the workers left are overworked, demoralized, and live in fear of layoffs
the misery from Trump.2 spreads far and wide
mucholderthandirt
(1,783 posts)It will all work perfectly and we'll be so happy we don't have to bother calling anyone, or waiting in line at some dump of an office. It's going to be a utopia! Really. Why are you looking at me like that?
HarryM
(462 posts)At very least contact their Legislators. If and when they do this, they will find out that they are burying themselves
Bluetus
(2,737 posts)But the major media is not reporting it.
There is no point in fighting to keep 1/3 of the government open in March. The best scenario is to confront this all head on -- no cooperation on anything until all the firings have been annulled. and DOGE eliminated. If the Good Old Putin party has enough votes to move forward without us, so be it. Then we can devote 100% of our time to the PR battles.
BrianTheEVGuy
(697 posts)I want to be sad, but seniors overwhelmingly supported Trump.
If someone must be harmed by Trump, let it be those who supported him. I will work to help the non-Trump minority while reminding MAGA seniors that theyre getting exactly what they voted for and exactly what they deserve.
louis-t
(24,612 posts)they will turn against him. Already started, but not enough. 50% of his voters need to turn against him. Be vigilant, be aware. It's gonna be a bumpy ride.
timms139
(538 posts)will let them screw up their benefits and not take up arms at that point to take the country back . I think that will be the red line for this bunch of quacks to cross .
mdbl
(8,636 posts)And they did call. Now I hope everything gets processed.
DENVERPOPS
(13,003 posts)so they do the next best thing; Neuter them
Reagan was infamous for doing that to many Federal Regulatory Agencies.......And now, Trump and the Republican party are outright trying to do away with them entirely. And not just the ones Reagan castrated to the point of being in-effective, but a bunch of other federal regulatory agencies at the same time......
snot
(11,792 posts)on certain weekdays, and the line outside the office to do so is around the block.
And I've seen no sign of inefficiency among the employees I've managed to deal with.
This will be a disaster.