Anybody here think this wasn't 100% PLANNED?

[bluestarone]

I sure as fuck DO see what they did. Edit to add, Come on Supreme court, you want to help TSF start WW3?

[dweller]

1. I believe it was a plan

For couchfucker to get it started … Pisswig doesn’t have the guts to stand up to Zelenskyy


✌🏻

[Baitball Blogger]

6. Two against one.

Yes, it was planned and it will backfire.

[maineac]

13. Trump wanted "earth" minerals

Putin needed to change Trump's mindset on minerals, so Vance forced a conflict with Zelenskyy. He made him emotional and defensive, "he's the victim and by the way so was Putin." It was horrible to put the blame on the suffering Urainians.

[maineac]

14. He made Trump defensive and emotional

Just making post clearer

[misanthrope]

40. Yep, they wanted Vance to go on the attack

so Trump could step in and look more measured (they thought). Vance's mindset was tipped off by his laughter at the reporter's derisive question about Zelenskyy's attire. Note that it was the same dig Trump took when Zelenskyy arrived outside.

However, Zelenskyy irked Trump during his defense so Trump began to lash out more than intended. He was agitated by the Ukrainian's lack of utter obsequiousness.

[bucolic_frolic]

2. Rick Wilson told us a week ago, WWIII was imminent

'by the end of February' as I recall.

On edit: Here, I didn't realize I had bookmarked it, but it was unforgettably chilling so I did.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/132261395

[bluestarone]

4. Hell, i'm beginning to fear my own country if their was a ww3

First time in my life i worry about our own Military. That's the truth!

[rubbersole]

27. Pete has everything under control...

[claudette]

3. It was

Fortunately Zelensky was prepared and was so calm in his response to being attacked

[bluestarone]

5. HE was the PROFESSIONAL there.

That's a fact!!

[debm55]

42. Yes. he was the grown up.

[DaBronx]

7. Horrible

I am so ashamed of what happened. So angry. Fucking Vance is an asshole of the worst kind. So disgusted beyond belief. Europe needs to step up cause we can’t be trusted. What a mess. And yes I think it was planned.

[mcar]

8. At the end, FOTUS said

"This was great television."

Totally planned. Fuckwits.

[Wingus Dingus]

9. I have never felt more deeply ashamed to be an American as today.

[groundloop]

48. I've said that a lot lately, nearly every day reaches a new level of shame.

[allegorical oracle]

10. Smelled like a set-up to me. A bushwhack. Now TSF and Putin will finish off Ukraine and

take "all the wealth" -- those rare Earth minerals.

[Liberal In Texas]

11. Yep. It was like a made for TV reality show. Trump was performing for Putin.

He was an embarrassment. Only the magats will love it. And of course Putin and the Russian reporter that was there.

[Luz]

29. Reminded me of a WWF show tag teaming him.

Small wonder all the magats loved it. Its the kind of Idiocracy mentality were dealing with. If he had physically jumped on Zelensky and wrestled with him for 5 min half the country would have orgasmed at the same time. Disgustung. Trump et al are deplorable people.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

12. Of course it was

Guess we should have seen it coming but I thought the rare earth minerals would have been enough to make dipshit behave himself.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

15. This staged stunt was a planned ambush, designed to help a brutal Russian dictator and hurt America's security.

Link to tweet

What just happened in the oval office was a planned ambush, designed to help a brutal Russian dictator and hurt America's security.

Trump has become Putin's lapdog, and America's global power is hemorrhaging as America sides with dictators over democracy. What an embarrassment.

[Nanjeanne]

16. It was planned insofar as the ganging up. I don't think they anticipated Zelenskyy's responses well

And that’s why Trump got more and more out of control. They had their Putin instructions and talking points and wanted to see Zelenskyy fold so they could be the big winners. The Art Of The Deal indeed. The great negotiator is just the apprentice to the great dictator Putin.

[ProfessorGAC]

23. Agreed

The plan was to bully Z.
They likely planned for him to to cower & capitulate.
There is scant evidence that they plan many actual outcomes.

[Best_man23]

31. Well, guess someone forgot to tell them

When you're dealing with a President whose country has been under the gun for 3 years and has (albeit with help) held off the second largest army in the world, such a leader is NOT going to cower and capitulate under bluster.

BTW, someone should have also told Krasnov and Vance the people of any country that puts up a mural with the words "Ukrainians will NEVER be Slaves" is unlikely to just cower and capitulate to the bluster coming from a failed Real Estate developer and a lacky eyeliner wearing Crypto bro wannabe. For all of Krasnov's and Vance's bluster, and all of Putin's bombs and missiles, I'm pretty certain Zelenskyy and Ukrainians would say those things are not nearly as frightening as Hitler's Wehrmacht and SS troops.

[ProfessorGAC]

35. While You're Right...

...who the heck would tell them that?
They're surrounded by cultists & sycophants.
"Great idea boss" is probably the only thing ever heard around there.

[WestMichRad]

32. This!

Spot on.

[LisaM]

17. Of course. Tag team bullies.

What a nasty twosome they are. And that's my polite version of what I think.

[Grumpy Old Guy]

18. I think it was a setup.

I think Vance deliberately blew it up.

Despicable!

[Bev54]

19. 100% setup.

What astounds me is the juvenile mentality, thinking it would make them look strong, like we are all the morons, when they clearly showed they are.

[no_hypocrisy]

20. Only thing missing: Trump didn't declare war against Ukraine.

Maybe that's tomorrow.

[bluestarone]

22. Yea, we're at a moment that ANYTHING is possible!

Never hated our government as much as THIS one!

[jeffreyi]

43. And sending arms to putin.

[Sneederbunk]

21. Vance well-rehearsed.

Designated provacateur.

[Irish_Dem]

26. Who is Vance working for?

[spudspud]

24. Absolutely a set up.

It would be awesome if when Trump goes to see the King of England, they send out a midget clown pretending to be the king to present Trump the Nobel Dunce Prize.

[rubbersole]

25. donnie is 100% optics.

When you're so shallow you would drown in a kiddie pool....

[Johonny]

28. Paet of it was planned

The you haven't said thank you and campaigned for Harris shit. But after Zelensky drops the ocean protects you, but Russia will come for you eventually too.

Trump clearly loses it. Zelensky called his hand to his face and Trump blathers like a moron after that.

[greatauntoftriplets]

30. No doubt that it was planned.

[no_hypocrisy]

33. So I'm thinking . . . .

Yeah, it sure was a set-up.

But did Trump really expect to get the Ukraine Rare Earth Minerals even as a barter -- or was it used to lure Zelenskyy to DC in order to humiliate him in front of the media? To force a fight? (It was never about peace.) That Trump would team with Russia against Ukraine and get the RE Minerals after Ukraine succumbed to both countries?

[twodogsbarking]

34. The plan was definitely "We'll make you an offer you can't accept".

[misanthrope]

36. It was plainly transparent

I heard press pool reporters said administration members were talking prior to the event that "this is going to be big."

Trump's team is never as subtle or clever as they believe they are.

[Raine]

37. I think they're too stupid to plan it and carry it out. 😖 nt

[Beringia]

38. Agreed, dumb as rocks, just greedy

[SheltieLover]

39. Absolute ambush & tag team

[Gore1FL]

44. Planned? Perhaps.

It didn't go according to that plan, I don't think.

[bluestarone]

46. Oh, i think it went as

Planned.

[Gore1FL]

47. I don't think it had the desired outcome, though. nt

[Ilsa]

45. 100% planned. I'm surprised Vance didn't try to slap

Pres. Zelenskyy.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

49. Trump officials fume at Zelenskyy for disregarding advice before meeting

This may not have been a staged stunt but trump's over-reaction to President Zelenskyy not following the script that trump want to present to the world. trump wanted to sign the rare earths/raw earths mineral deal that had on security guarantees to score a political victory. trump want to "discuss" securities guarantees at a later date (perhaps after Putin was declared the victor and got everything he wanted. President Zelensky brought up security guarantees and what we saw on Friday was an over-reaction to trump not getting what he wanted.

Trump officials fume at Zelenskyy for disregarding advice before meeting: Officials say minerals deal would serve as commitment to US security guarantee and Ukraine leader shouldn’t have pressed issue

Inside the Trump White House, officials blamed the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, for…

— #TuckFrump (@realtuckfrumper.bsky.social) 2025-03-01T21:14:12Z

Trump officials fume at Zelenskyy for disregarding advice before meeting: Officials say minerals deal would serve as commitment to US security guarantee and Ukraine leader shouldn’t have pressed issue

Inside the Trump White House, officials blamed the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, for…

Link to tweet

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/01/trump-officials-zelenskyy

Inside the Trump White House, officials blamed the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, for the meltdown in the Oval Office on Friday, and expressed frustration that he pushed for security guarantees even though the US had made clear they wanted to negotiate that later, according to people familiar with the matter.

The officials had told their Ukrainian counterparts in advance of the meeting that Trump wanted to sign an economic partnership this week at a ministerial level, as aides worked on the details about security guarantees.

Trump saw the minerals deal as the first phase of a broader economic partnership and told aides it showed the US was effectively making a commitment on security guarantees, because the agreement deal would mean the US had a vested interest in Ukraine’s economic prosperity.

The officials believed that had all been communicated to Ukraine, as was the advice that senators gave Zelenskyy on Friday morning to praise Trump and not litigate the issue of wanting stronger security guarantees to his face.

To Trump’s aides, Zelenskyy did not heed that advice when he expressed skepticism at JD Vance’s view of making peace with Russia and, in their view, lectured the US vice-president on the history of Russia’s aggression towards Ukraine that started in 2014 with the annexation of Crimea......

Trump officials said privately on Saturday that Trump still wants to sign the minerals deal, but an immediate reset appeared unlikely with Trump scheduled to attend a fundraising dinner for the Maga Inc super political action committee in Palm Beach and Zelenskyy’s departure from the US for the UK......

Appearing on Fox News that evening, Zelenskyy referred to Ronald Reagan’s dictum that “peace is more than just an absence of war” and suggested that because Putin had broken dozens of ceasefire agreements already, more work was needed to reach “a just and lasting peace”. Trump appeared unimpressed when he boarded Marine One en route to Palm Beach, telling reporters[b ] that Zelenskyy needed to say publicly that he wanted to make peace and stop saying “negative things” about Putin.

trump trusts Putin and wanted this rare earths/raw earths mineral deal without explicit security guarantees becuase trump trusts Putin. President Zelensky was correct in NOT trusting Putin which pissed off trump and Vance.

To me this means that Friday was not a planned event but another example of trump's temper/stupidity getting in the way of negotiating a real peace.