Trump and Vance obviously planned their outbursts at Zelenskyy to create an excuse to surrender Ukraine to Russia

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Shady Vance is increasingly looking like the Trump-whisperer, conspiring and performing their bullying act together today, and yesterday in the presser with Keir Starmer, all to facilitate and cover for their already intended abandonment of Ukraine's defense and protection.

Trump's obviously already pre-written post on his propaganda site which read, "Ukraine isn't ready for peace" was the first self-serving surrender of an American ally to a foreign enemy by a U.S. president since Roosevelt hemmed and hawed over militarily confronting Germany as Jews were being rounded up and slaughtered by Hitler.

I'm glad Vance thought to remind everyone watching who Zelenskyy looked to for support in the election; not making any definitive choice between candidates, but experiencing support and opposition together, in real time, as Trump was actively urging Congress to vote against aid to Ukraine, even as Putin was reducing their cities to shards, carpet bombing residential neighborhoods, and hospitals, and schools.

As we watch Trump try to use the reality and threat of further Russian genocide as leverage against Ukraine, we should be reminded that it was just a little while ago he was promising to "use Ukraine aid as leverage against Russia."

“I want to reach an agreement,” Trump said in Dec. 2024, according to Time. “The only way you’re going to reach an agreement is not to abandon (Ukraine).”

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1. Ganged up on by idiot frat boys

I bet those two clowns were having 'fun'. So rapey and despicable.

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2. Looked like two car salesmen tag-teaming a buyer who doesn't want to finance with them!

Pathetic!

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5. both of them just hollering shit like they were on a party chat line

...it's wild to see how the press reconstructs the broken babble and reports out the flamebait intact for them.

This, though, is stupid at a level most Americans can understand and reject.

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3. I think it was staged too. Everything those two MFs do is staged.

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4. just amateur stuff

..for rubes.

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6. Yea, it was staged. But it backfired on them, IMO

They looked like raving bullies and the world (with the exception of Russia and the Magats) was appalled and disgusted. This will reverberate, and not in a good way.

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7. they're really bad at this

...but their arrogance, and that of the cheerleaders and yes men around them, drives them forward.

It's the plodding determination of a cabal that's convinced themselves one election made them the owner of everything American, including Americans.

Their world view is like teenagers with a new fast car, believing high horsepower gives them the right to the road.

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8. Trump officials fume at Zelenskyy for disregarding advice before meeting

This may not have been a staged stunt but trump's over-reaction to President Zelenskyy not following the script that trump want to present to the world. trump wanted to sign the rare earths/raw earths mineral deal that had on security guarantees to score a political victory. trump want to "discuss" securities guarantees at a later date (perhaps after Putin was declared the victor and got everything he wanted. President Zelensky brought up security guarantees and what we saw on Friday was an over-reaction to trump not getting what he wanted.

Trump officials fume at Zelenskyy for disregarding advice before meeting: Officials say minerals deal would serve as commitment to US security guarantee and Ukraine leader shouldn’t have pressed issue

Inside the Trump White House, officials blamed the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, for…

— #TuckFrump (@realtuckfrumper.bsky.social) 2025-03-01T21:14:12Z

Trump officials fume at Zelenskyy for disregarding advice before meeting: Officials say minerals deal would serve as commitment to US security guarantee and Ukraine leader shouldn’t have pressed issue

Inside the Trump White House, officials blamed the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, for…

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/01/trump-officials-zelenskyy

Inside the Trump White House, officials blamed the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, for the meltdown in the Oval Office on Friday, and expressed frustration that he pushed for security guarantees even though the US had made clear they wanted to negotiate that later, according to people familiar with the matter.

The officials had told their Ukrainian counterparts in advance of the meeting that Trump wanted to sign an economic partnership this week at a ministerial level, as aides worked on the details about security guarantees.

Trump saw the minerals deal as the first phase of a broader economic partnership and told aides it showed the US was effectively making a commitment on security guarantees, because the agreement deal would mean the US had a vested interest in Ukraine’s economic prosperity.

The officials believed that had all been communicated to Ukraine, as was the advice that senators gave Zelenskyy on Friday morning to praise Trump and not litigate the issue of wanting stronger security guarantees to his face.

To Trump’s aides, Zelenskyy did not heed that advice when he expressed skepticism at JD Vance’s view of making peace with Russia and, in their view, lectured the US vice-president on the history of Russia’s aggression towards Ukraine that started in 2014 with the annexation of Crimea......

Trump officials said privately on Saturday that Trump still wants to sign the minerals deal, but an immediate reset appeared unlikely with Trump scheduled to attend a fundraising dinner for the Maga Inc super political action committee in Palm Beach and Zelenskyy’s departure from the US for the UK......

Appearing on Fox News that evening, Zelenskyy referred to Ronald Reagan’s dictum that “peace is more than just an absence of war” and suggested that because Putin had broken dozens of ceasefire agreements already, more work was needed to reach “a just and lasting peace”. Trump appeared unimpressed when he boarded Marine One en route to Palm Beach, telling reporters[b ] that Zelenskyy needed to say publicly that he wanted to make peace and stop saying “negative things” about Putin.

trump trusts Putin and wanted this rare earths/raw earths mineral deal without explicit security guarantees becuase trump trusts Putin. President Zelensky was correct in NOT trusting Putin which pissed off trump and Vance.

To me this means that Friday was not a planned event but another example of trump's temper/stupidity getting in the way of negotiating a real peace.