I am beginning to believe that trump will be removed from office.

[Klarkashton]

Not sure by what or who. This is all crazy shit.

[BannonsLiver]

1. Unfortunately unless he croaks or strokes were in for the full term.

[PhilosopherKing]

3. Republicans in Congress

Are invertebrates. He could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and they would applaud him.

[brush]

12. The longer the trump/musk insanity/firings last, the more chance that violence will break out.

This craziness can not survive for long.

[pat_k]

24. Any violence would be his excuse to declare martial law.

I try to remain hopeful that the American public will reject his bid to utterly dismantle more than 75 years of commitment the four freedoms and commitment to allies who share those values, but dark thoughts sneak in. One of those dark thoughts is that we will see radical Christian Nationalist loyalists engaged in coordinated efforts to spark violent "anti-Trump" protests that will then be used as the excuse for declaring martial law and usurping every governor's authority over the national guard.

[Mountainguy]

38. There are a million reasons why martial law

isn't manageable here. Even if tried it would fail, and quite rapidly.

[rampartd]

52. trump has used provocateurs and "boogaloo boys" to his purpose before.

notice the proud boys and such have been relatively quiet for a while. that will not last.

[pat_k]

59. Absolutely

Anyone considering attending an opposition event or engaging in some action, must perform due diligence to ensure the sponsors are legitimate advocacy/MAGA opposition organizations that have been in existence for a reasonable period of time and sponsored effective, verified events and activities.

Now more than ever, nothing can be taken for granted. Any assumption that things are as they appear no longer holds. Start from the premise that things may not be as they seem until verified through multiple reliable sources.

[Klarkashton]

7. Very powerful people see a revolt coming and

They don't want that. This is going way too far.

[BannonsLiver]

13. I will remain hopeful but am trying to not get my hopes up at the same time.

It’s an odd dynamic

[brush]

10. and if he doesn't die, effin Vance is no better. We are so screwed.

The cowardly rethugs control all three branches of government and they're too scared of trump to stand up to his admin's insane moves.

[rsdsharp]

15. It doesn't get better after Vance, either.

He’s followed in the top ten in the line of succession by Moses Johnson, Grassley, Rubio, Bessent (Treasury), Hegseth, Bondi, Burgum (Interior), Rollins (Agriculture), and Lutnick (Commerce).

I’m reminded that Nixon chose both Agnew and Ford as his VPs, because he thought they were such weak choices that he wouldn’t be impeached.

[brush]

20. trump's clown car cabinet is even worse than Nixon's. Effin Steven Miller and those...

stupid trump boys recommended many of those abysmally poor cabinet picks. Must be the worse ever.

[yellowdogintexas]

40. Actually, per the 25th Amendment Shady Vance will choose a new VP which could be someone from Congress

or even a Governor. When Nixon resigned, Ford was his VP. Nixon had chosen Ford to replace Agnew who was by then in jail.
When Ford became POTUS, he chose Nelson Rockefeller as VP. So for the remainder of that term neither POTUS or VPOTUS were elected by the nation. If something had happened to Ford, Rockefeller would have succeeded and then HE would have chosen a new VP. I believe Congress votes on the choice.

[brush]

41. I hadn't realized back then when Nixon quit and Agnew was in jail...

and Ford took over and picked Rockefeller as his VP, neither the president or vice-president was elected by the nation.

Has that happened before?

At least Rockefeller was a liberal republican. Such a thing doesn't exist anymore, and hasn't for decades.

The specter of Vance as president is a frightening specter as he's a nasty, little shit as we witnessed his disgraceful performance trying to bully Zelenskyy in the recent Oval office meeting. And the MFer followed that up by disparaging our allies the UK and France last night in an interview, calling them some random country not capable of doing what trump can do to 'help' Ukraine.

Again, a nasty, little shit.

[allegorical oracle]

58. From news clips of last night's BS session, Vance was a regular-jack-in-the-box. nt

[rsdsharp]

44. I guess we should just get rid of the presidential line of succession then,

cause if a catastrophe kills the President and Vice President (and maybe others) Vance will just come back to life and invoke Section 2 of the 25th Amendment.

BTW, Agnew never served a day in jail.

[yellowdogintexas]

46. My bad. I really thought he went to jail. Either way he was gone, so 25th amendment applied

The old line of succession would be the only recourse if the POTUS and VPOTUS were killed at the same time. So the Speaker would be the new POTUS and then choose someone to be VPOTUS> Either way, if it were to happen that way now, we would be spared the promotion of Grassley to the White House

[Lonestarblue]

56. Vance would probably choose coke head Don, Jr.

[vapor2]

2. PLEASE

[Ocelot II]

4. Then what, Vance?

I'm not sure that's much of an improvement.

[SomewhereInTheMiddle]

47. While Vance is bad, I think he lacks the "charisma" for lack of a better term ...

that the Old Man has that makes his followers revere/fear him so blindly. I think Vance would lack the seemingly bottomless control the Old Man has over Congress. They might not fear his unproven influence over the voters.

He also lacks the family based grift-support structure the Organization offers.

I think Vance would be as bad as any non-Orange Repub we've seen since Bush the Elder. But he would not be as bad overall as the Old Man.

I would be willing to take that chance, with no better future on offer.

[Straw Man]

48. Agreed.

It's not that Vance has no charisma; it's that he has anti-charisma. He is thoroughly unlikeable, even by those who share his repugnant political beliefs. He's too awkward and whiny, with none of the swagger that impresses the rubes. I think he would flounder while MAGA devolved into backstabbing and intrigues. In any case, that's what I hope would happen.

I don't agree with those who say that Trump is only the symptom and that another comparable figurehead could take over. I think MAGA was the perfect confluence of spokesmonster and loathsome agenda, a marriage made in the bowels of hell that wouldn't have nearly the same clout with a different monster as its face.

[Ocelot II]

51. Trump is uniquely awful.

Vance’s awfulness is more like Lindsey Graham’s - snotty and shrill but laughable. You dislike the guy on sight.

[Ocelot II]

50. I agree - Vance won't inspire a personality cult

like Trump has done, and he doesn’t have that insatiable need to grift off everything all the time. He’s kind of a pissant, really, and will wear out his welcome fairly quickly. But he has his own moneybag backers like Thiel, and a lot of retrograde ideas, so he would suck more than the average Republican.

[elleng]

5. :thumbsup:

[Maru Kitteh]

6. Okay I'm sorry, but I just literally laughed out loud. Scared the cat.

Not this year friend. Not next year either. Not happening.

This fun ride is just getting started. Buckle up.

[Silent Type]

8. Rubio, Vance, oligarchs, etc., are going to start thinking 25th Amendment as some point.

Especially if early mid-term polls look bad for GOPers. Not sure that’s better than trump, though.

[Prairie Gates]

19. Mid-terms!

[surfered]

9. The GOP is all in on Trump. There is nothing that he can say or do that will cause them to grow a .....spine

[Takket]

11. there is absolutely zero chance of that happening (not from congress anyway)

people in the house are introducing bills to put him on currency and mount rushmore. so that should tell you how upset they are about what he's doing. i actually wouldn't be surprised if he was impeached. only takes 3 rethugs to do that. but 20 rethugs to convict in the senate? no way.

only way he is getting remove is a large group of angry people

[dweller]

25. So you're saying

It’s doable ?
🤔

asking for 70m Social Security recipients …


✌🏻

[RockRaven]

14. Until you hypothesize who/how, there is no reason to consider its possibleness.

It isn't even a complete thought.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

16. Since Putin is in charge, he will find a replacement.

There’s somebody being controlled by Putin right now that will be put in. I’m sure he’s grooming someone right now.

[Ace Rothstein]

17. People said this throughout the first term.

Then they said he wouldn't be the nominee in '24. Then they said he'd get crushed. He's not going away til he croaks.

[Prairie Gates]

18. Spoiler alert:

No he won't.

[Dan]

21. Well, the Speaker of the House (Johnson) seems to be starting to stand up to Trump.

Maybe, the GOP is starting to read the tea leaves that the MAGA are pissed too. And, once the stupid realize that they are being played then the con has gone too far.

[rickyhall]

22. Rubio best choice?

[artemisia1]

23. Ya think? /nt

[Trust_Reality]

26. Best possible case...

Numerous Republicans in congress/senate decide to save democracy by resigning leaving the Dems with strong enough majorities to impeach and remove Trump, then Vance - quickly.

Otherwise the Republican party will go down in history as the party that killed the (once) greatest democracy the world has ever seen.

[Upthevibe]

27. Trust_Reality.........

This is my hope exactly! Thanks for posting your thoughts.

I mean 45 is literally taking Russia's side! When we think about the magnitude of that act it's mind-boggling.

I made a quick list today of Republicans who I could see possibly doing this. I'm not sure how accurate I am so I'll need to do a little more research and then tomorrow I'll be calling some of their offices.

[Omnipresent]

55. Not going to happen.

They all act like spectators, just waiting to see what happens next.
It’s easy for these republican fuckers to be two faced, hypocrites!

[Upthevibe]

28. Klarkashton..........

I hear where you're coming from.

I mean taking Russia's side could be too much.............

[dchill]

29. "...removed from office..."

By whom? Putin? He's the only one with the power to do it at this point.

[pnwest]

30. I think we're past that point. The coup is complete.

Putin is in charge and trump is literally the useful, polarizing, rage-inducing idiot that Putin needs in place. He's not going anywhere unless he dies in office.

[Eddie Haskell 60]

31. Not a chance

Any Republican that steps out of line will be primaried and Musk will pour $$$ into their opponent.

[JDAcme]

32. Any kind of exit

works for me. Only hope Vance and Johnson go down the same way.

[paul91046]

35. This might be wishful thinking

I believe Vance only took the job cuz he figures Trump's going to croak. If that happens... Please God please God please God... And we all know there isn't one... I'm hoping Vance might go back to some of the things he believed before he drank the Kool-Aid. His liberal wife might have some influence on him. I know, this might be a pipe dream, probably is.

[AmericaUnderSiege]

33. Could be, but don't count on it.

There's a mental incapacity clause in the Constitution that Congress has in pocket. His hamfisted attempts to demobilize the American military and generations-old alliances on behalf of Kremlin orders is a pretty blatant dare to be removed from power.

Setting aside the morality and strategy, he's stealing a lot of money out of a lot of pockets very quickly, with no legal authority to do so (NATO is a treaty, meaning he needs a supermajority to end or even modify it).

Still, chaos is a ladder, as the saying goes, so don't rest hopes on "the system" rescuing the republic. The critters of DC mostly feel fine with this. Hard-working, middle-class people having their livelihoods stolen by a tyrant has not interrupted the cocktail parties.

[rubbersole]

34. Trump isn't the snake, he's the rattle.

Project 2025 (Koch network) took years to formulate/finance but just weeks to implement. Oh, it's working better than they hoped. tsf is a replaceable cog in a wheel, useful for the appearance of election legitimacy. tsf can't spell 'project'. Musk agreed to be the evil country destroying demon because he loves the role.
We're sooo fucked.

[alarimer]

36. I certainly hope so

One way or another. That doesn't solve the problem of Vance, who will probably let Musk continue marauding.

[William769]

37. putin will not allow it.

[Raine]

39. If only but it was tried and no go. 😕 nt

[the_liberal_grandpa]

42. One way or the other. Your lips to Gods ears.

[Vinca]

43. Assuming we still have Congressional elections next year, it wouldn't be surprising at all to see

Republicans suffer the biggest clobbering in history. At that point removal might be an option. In the meantime, they're just going to kiss his ass and throw rose petals in his path. We would also have to get rid of JD because he's equally bad and more connected to Project 2025 than Trump. The Democratic Speaker would be POTUS if we can oust them both.

[Johnny2X2X]

45. By who?

Only a military coup can save our democracy now.

[DFW]

49. Only one factor can bring that about now.

That is Mother Nature. Either some aspect of his health fails, or we’re stuck.

Don’t wait for a toady Republican congress to impeach him and remove him from office. If Trumpsk were to declare a “deal” dissolving the United States, and making its territory the newest Oblast of the Russian Federation, the Republicans in Congress would unanimously vote for it, and the Roberts Court would find it constitutional.

[biocube]

53. Eventually the rich could get tired of him destabilizing markets.

Once you start threatening the wealth of the rich and powerful all bets are off. That was not nearly as much of an issue in his first term as it is now.

[Deminpenn]

54. For some reason, I think this too

Don't know how, just a gut feel.

[Oopsie Daisy]

57. By the 2A ... that's my prediction. Crazier things have happened.

[Emile]

60. My fingers are crossed. 🫰