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https://politicalwire.com/2025/03/04/u-s-downgraded-to-non-democracy/U.S. Downgraded to Non-Democracy
March 4, 2025 at 7:25 am EST By Taegan Goddard
dweller
(28,423 posts)State of the
of the.
. 😐 😟 😖
✌🏻
Hugin
(37,849 posts)Is that the word youre looking for?
BlueMTexpat
(15,690 posts)Hugin
(37,849 posts)Dystopia is good. Too good.
Simeon Salus
(1,638 posts)"a profound state of unease or dissatisfaction"
The opposite of euphoria.
Hugin
(37,849 posts)Unfortunately.
live love laugh
(16,384 posts)rpannier
(24,927 posts)They'll be placing the Stars and Bars next to a statue of Jefferson Davis
Hugin
(37,849 posts)The shining city on the hill is no more. Now just another shaft.
Johnny2X2X
(24,216 posts)You cannot have a functioning democracy without a free press. I think the oligarchy took full control over the media a few years ago and that Trump winning in 2024 was assured because of that. So yeah, we will get to vote in 2026 and 2028, but it's such an uninformed and misinformed populace that it's now just an illusion of choice. People (not individuals, but the whole) are incapable of resisting the mass media which successfully fills their heads with doubt about even the most basic facts. And we are seeing an oligarchy that is acting like they know the will of the people no longer matters. No matter how severly they destroy the democracy and the economy, they know it doesn;t matter for elections anymore because their media machine will convince enough people that everything is great, that everything is Biden's fault, or that they are the only ones who have the solutions.
And this river of shit that is the media and social media is only going to get deeper. Resistance will become harder and harder as the truth becomes so obscure that even DUers will have trouble with it. We actually saw a lot of this in 2024 where objectively, the best economy for working people in 60 years was painted as terrible by DU posters over and over and over.
hadEnuf
(3,621 posts)Many, many of us saw exactly what the right-wing was up to with the media, but we blew it. We blew it big time.
We can still make an impact however if we start seizing ways to use the media to our benefit and set the narrative. Going on Fox news and other RW entities is simply an invite to an ambush. We need our own media.
ck4829
(37,769 posts)BlueWaveNeverEnd
(14,272 posts)angrychair
(12,295 posts)I've had a deep seated hatred of reality TV from the beginning.
generalbetrayus
(1,870 posts)defacto7
(14,162 posts)It would be nice to see the original. I'm not a member of Politicalwire.
Lonestarblue
(13,487 posts)defacto7
(14,162 posts)Ms. Toad
(38,648 posts)Here is a link to polityproject - https://www.systemicpeace.org/polityproject.html . (The link was in the brief article from Political wire.) Have fun digging. My quick look tells me it will take longer than I have right now.
The only specific link to the United states returns a 404 error - I assume because the recent change and the page hasn't been updated.
The major media will probably have a deeper dive than I have time to do into the data more in a few days. There were major stories after US was downgraded to a fragile democracy in 2017, when you-know-who took office the first time.
Emile
(42,315 posts)KewlKat
(5,810 posts)wiggs
(8,816 posts)Ms. Toad
(38,648 posts)when we were downgraded to a fragile democracy. I expect there will be a report soon.
state of stupid
(150 posts)ColoradoHoosier
(40 posts)It sure reads like one of those that come out of a satirical site or podcast, then gets picked up by a legit outfit. I'm not finding this anywhere else. 40 years of this stuff has taught me to be cautious about things like this.
Ok, just saw the link, so it does seem legit, at least in the view of Polity
Paladin
(32,354 posts)Hugin
(37,849 posts)
NOTE: The USA dropped below the "democracy threshold" (+6) on the POLITY scale in 2020 and was considered an anocracy (+5) at the end of the year 2020; the USA score for 2021 returned to democracy (+8).
Beginning on 1 July 2024, due to the US Supreme Court ruling granting the US Presidency broad, legal immunity, the USA is noted by the Polity Project as experiencing a regime transition through, at least, 20 January 2025. As of the latter date, the USA is coded EXREC=8, "Competitive Elections"; EXCONST=1 "Unlimited Executive Authority"; and POLCOMP=6 "Factional/Restricted Competition." Polity scores: DEMOC=4; AUTOC=4; POLITY=0.
The USA is no longer considered a democracy and lies at the cusp of autocracy; it has experienced a Presidental Coup and an Adverse Regime Change event (8-point drop in its POLITY score).
From: https://www.systemicpeace.org/index.html
I'd been looking for specific information about the change and didn't stumble onto that page. The site is not easy to navigate.
Hugin
(37,849 posts)It was very much about the methodology and charts of trends.
Ms. Toad
(38,648 posts)Oopsie Daisy
(6,670 posts)* just goes to what appears to be a catch-all landing page with no specific mention of the "downgrade" and no links to any documents or studies that support or justify the downgrade.
NOTICE Regarding POLITY Project Updates
From 1994-2020, CSP/INSCR data resources, such as the Polity and Coups datasets, were generously supported with funding from the US Government (through our association with the Political Instability Task Force, PITF). That financial support was terminated on 29 February, 2020, after PITF consultant Michael D. Ward (d.) developed an algorithm for automated coding of polity scores (AI) for the PITF. This created a bit of a dilemma for further updates to the Polity data series. Updated scores would be used to compare, and verify, the automated scoring outputs. As such, further updates of Polity and other CSP/INSCR data resources are embargoed and/or delayed until a new funding mechanism is found and implemented.
NOTE: The USA dropped below the "democracy threshold" (+6) on the POLITY scale in 2020 and
was considered an anocracy (+5) at the end of the year 2020; the USA score for 2021 returned to democracy (+8).
Beginning on 1 July 2024, due to the US Supreme Court ruling granting the US Presidency broad, legal immunity,
the USA is noted by the Polity Project as experiencing a regime transition through, at least, 20 January 2025.
As of the latter date, the USA is coded EXREC=8, "Competitive Elections"; EXCONST=1 "Unlimited Executive Authority";
and POLCOMP=6 "Factional/Restricted Competition." Polity scores: DEMOC=4; AUTOC=4; POLITY=0.
The USA is no longer considered a democracy and lies at the cusp of autocracy; it has experienced a
Presidental Coup and an Adverse Regime Change event (8-point drop in its POLITY score).
Users of the Polity data series should be aware that Polity measures patterns of authority demonstrated and observed in political behaviors involving interaction events between and within state and non-state entities. Polity measures political practices rather than promises or proclamations. In 2016, CSP changed the coding for Political Competition in the USA to Factional Competition (i.e., POLCOMP=7); this coding change dropped the USA's POLITY score to +8. According to the PITF Global Model, this change to "factional competition" placed the USA at high risk of impending political instability (i.e., adverse regime change and/or onset of "systematic and sustained" political violence; possible worst case would be the "collapse of central authority" ). The CSP COUP dataset lists an "attempted coup" (COUP=2) for the USA on 6 January 2021 and a successful coup (COUP=1) on 20 January 2025.
NOTE: The Polity5 Regime Narrative for the United States identifies all Polity code changes and
covers the entire period since its date of independence in 1776 through early 2025.
For the full list of countries covered by Polity5 Regime Narratives click here.
Polity5 data through 2018 is available on the INSCR Data page.
Wiz Imp
(10,023 posts)AloeVera
(4,266 posts)I'd like to see their analysis and evidence. Seems like an important thing to throw out there.
Oopsie Daisy
(6,670 posts)AloeVera
(4,266 posts)Unfair voter laws, voter suppression, gerrymandering etc have made free and fair elections a thing of the past. It was a disaster in the making, in slo-mo and by increments but the large design was deliberate and methodical. Subversion of democracy, to maintain white power.
January 20, 2025 could be viewed as the successful culmination of all that.
Perhaps Polity sees it that way too. In any case their finding is very interesting indeed. I hope it gets some attention.
KPN
(17,379 posts)Wiz Imp
(10,023 posts)Is It Really a Coup?
Historian Ruth Ben-Ghiat calls it a new kind of coup, writing in Lucid about Elon Musks seeming power sharing with Trump: And here is where the U.S. 2025 situation starts to look different. The point of personalist rule is to reinforce the strongman. There is only room for one authoritarian leader at the top of the power vertical. Here there are two. It is unusual, but it is still an effort to use extra-legal, undemocratic practices to radically alter American democracy, undoing the balance of power the Founding Fathers established between the three branches of government by consolidating power in the hands of the presidency as a complacent, Republican-led Congress looks on.
Monday night, Heather Cox Richardson started her nightly column by explaining that if Republicans wanted to do away with the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), the federal agency the Trump administration suddenly shuttered over the weekend, they could do that legally. Republicans now control the White House and Congress. There is a 6-3 majority of justices appointed by Republican presidents on the Supreme Court. But instead of doing it lawfully, with Congress passing a bill for Donald Trump to sign, Richardson writes, They are permitting unelected billionaire Elon Musk, whose investment of $290 million in Trump and other Republican candidates in the 2024 election apparently has bought him freedom to run the government, to override Congress and enact whatever his own policies are by rooting around in government agencies and cancelling those programs that he, personally, dislikes.
Richardson concluded: The replacement of our constitutional system of government with the whims of an unelected private citizen is a coup. The U.S. president has no authority to cut programs created and funded by Congress, and a private citizen tapped by a president has even less standing to try anything so radical.
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Ms. Toad
(38,648 posts)It is the grab of executive power after inauguration.
AloeVera
(4,266 posts)The wording used is "succesful coup on 20 January 2025".
I interpret it as his election being a coup. The culmination of years of effort to degrade democracy and fair elections, resulting in an illegitimate "winner".
Ms. Toad
(38,648 posts)On January 20, Trump took office and signed 24 executive orders - many of which claim power which the executive branch does not possess. That action is the coup.
If you read the information on polity project, they focus on actions - not promises. Anything prior to inauguration was just promises. The actions began on January 20, via the signing of executive orders.
Had they meant the election, they would have made the change on Nov 5, or shortly thereafter, not waited until he took office.
AloeVera
(4,266 posts)I took a longer view of how the coup was made possible, rather than the actual coup - which no doubt it is. And I forgot the EO's were signed on the 20th. So your argument makes good sense.
Ms. Toad
(38,648 posts)He had talked about 200 on day 1. There have been fewer than 100 so far - even though it seems like a whole lot more.
AloeVera
(4,266 posts)If he underperformed, let's hope it continues. But the ones he has put through, and the whole Elon lunacy, Ukraine, the attack on Canada etc are bad enough.
Hotler
(13,747 posts)chouchou
(3,148 posts)wolfie001
(7,688 posts)........a bottle of champagne over this news. Pigs all three. Abysmal hubbies too.
BlueTsunami2018
(4,992 posts)Derpity derp.
I dont know how we survive this.
Someone has to step up and do what needs to be done.
BarbD
(1,438 posts)No one can do it alone.
Justice matters.
(9,794 posts)or *would* be.
The Brave in the Home is absent atm.
BarbD
(1,438 posts)We can't give up the ship. I absolutely refuse to surrender to these ass hole idiots.
Joinfortmill
(21,188 posts)reACTIONary
(7,169 posts)The Polity study was initiated in the late 1960s by Ted Robert Gurr and is now continued by Monty G. Marshall, one of Gurr's students. It was sponsored by the Political Instability Task Force (PITF) until February 2020.[9] The PITF is funded by the Central Intelligence Agency.[10]
The data series has been criticized for its methodology, Americentrism, and connections to the CIA. Seva Gunitsky, an assistant professor at the University of Toronto, stated that the data series was appropriate "for research that examines constraints on governing elites, but not for studying the expansion of suffrage over the nineteenth century".
Shipwack
(3,067 posts)Why would a CIA influenced, Americacentric institution declare us a non-democracy? Youd think they would declare the exact opposite
🤔
reACTIONary
(7,169 posts).... the way conspiratorial thinking works.
OMGWTF
(5,133 posts)HarryM
(464 posts)to traitorous scum.
unblock
(56,199 posts)Now, whether an election or two can restore our democracy is another question, it's not yet clear the fascists can keep power.
But they certainly have it now, and it's abundantly clear that their governing is not reflecting the will of the people.
They're pissing off even their own supporters and showing zero sign of being responsive to that. In fact, they're canceling town halls to avoid listening to their own constituents.
This is not a democracy.
spanone
(141,648 posts)Ping Tung
(4,370 posts)
Montauk6
(9,339 posts)
HarryM
(464 posts)It's time for a French Revolution Solution?
hay rick
(9,611 posts)In that case, what's the best path forward?
BarbD
(1,438 posts)Just where do we go from here?
hay rick
(9,611 posts)It is difficult to contend that American democracy has not already failed. If Kamala had won we would still be stuck with a parasitic oligarchical class of looters that exercises effective veto power over most legislation via a captive Supreme Court, the Senate filibuster hurdle, the ability to intimidate Congress with the unlimited spending unleashed by Citizens United, and their ability to frame the terms of public debate in both traditional and social media.
We need a good bulldozer, as opposed to the malignant bulldozer of Musk/Trump. I don't see a real democracy that serves the best interests of the people as a real option in the near future.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)Passages
(4,173 posts)blm
(114,662 posts)Thanks, baby sis
SunSeeker
(58,285 posts)Marie Marie
(11,318 posts)He is finally being recognized as one of those strong man dictators. he so greatly admires.
Karasu
(2,003 posts)Montauk6
(9,339 posts)
Meowmee
(9,212 posts)Evolve Dammit
(21,779 posts)ReRe
(12,189 posts)an entire society is judged by one asshole and his people at the top.
Celerity
(54,448 posts)


https://ash.harvard.edu/articles/from-crisis-to-action-turning-the-tide-on-democratic-erosion-through-organizing/
According to the Polity Project, an organization that ranks and categorizes governments worldwide, the U.S. government is classified as a non-democracy as of February 2025, a downgrade from its previous status as a democracy. In response to this decline, a panel of Harvard scholars convened last week for a webinar to discuss how civil society groups can protect and promote democracy in such times of crisis. The Polity Projects assessment hinges on what it calls an executive coup an attempt to concentrate all decision-making power within the executive branch. Erica Chenoweth, academic dean for faculty development and Frank Stanton Professor of the First Amendment at the Harvard Kennedy School (HKS), drew on this analysis to frame the discussion, highlighting the role of social mobilization and organizing in resisting democratic backsliding.
Recognizing the Urgency of this Moment
Building on the projects classification of the United States as a non-democracy, Steven Levitsky, David Rockefeller Professor of Latin American Studies and professor of government at Harvard University, warned that aspects of the Trump administration reflect patterns of competitive authoritarianism, where freely elected officials consolidate power by stacking leadership positions with loyalists. When competitive authoritarianism is executed in a systematic way, as weve begun to see in the last month, what it does is tilt the playing field against the opposition and in favor of the incumbent, explained Levitsky.
Echoing concerns about the countrys trajectory, Cornell William Brooks, Hauser Professor of the Practice of Nonprofit Organizations and professor of the practice of public leadership and social justice at HKS, called this an exceedingly dangerous moment in our republic. He added that efforts to erase the countrys unique identity as a multiracial democracy signaled further erosion. Taken together, these dynamics create what Marshall Ganz, Rita E. Hauser Senior Lecturer in Leadership, Organizing, and Civil Society at HKS, described as a rock-bottom moment. He continued, The thing about rock-bottom moments is that you realize that you cannot keep doing what youve been doing and expect an outcome thats any different. Rock-bottom moments mean you must change; you must be open to change, and you must consider where we are.
Strong Principles Power Effective Movements
To emerge from this rock-bottom moment, Ganz emphasized the necessity of coming together with a spirit of hope without that, progress is impossible. He argued that before people power can be exercised, organizing must be grounded in a clearly defined cause and a set of shared values: If youre going to fight, you need to know what youre fighting for Those of us who share democratic values know that its challenging to bring people to the center of politics in a real way, but thats what we have to do. Building on Ganzs assessment, Brooks expanded on the path forward. While Ganz highlighted the immaterial elements necessary for building a foundation for social mobilization, Brooks focused on the practical aspects of organizing, underscoring the need for a broad, diverse coalition of advocates. In this moment, I want to suggest that we are going to need, more than we certainly have in recent memory, a kind of multivalent, multilingual, multigenerational form of advocacy, he said. Which is to say, we have to have advocacy at the grassroots.
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ShazzieB
(22,612 posts)Not that I wasn't depressed (and angry) enough already!
How I feel right now:

Beartracks
(14,609 posts)... all the way to today's oligarchs by way of the Kremlin. Playing the long game, buying up the media, pooh-poohing and demonizing those who warned about what they were doing, spreading vast amounts of disinformation, and then lucking into the most incredibly pliant, populist stooge.
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coprolite
(365 posts)I attended a book signing and lecture by Chris La Tray, Montana's Poet Laureate.
Chris a member of the Little Shell Tribe of Chippewa Indians, was sympathetic about the Harris' loss to Trump and reminded group about the long game.
It took the Little Shell Tribe a hundred and fifty years of lobbying Congress to finally fulfill Congress' obligation to set aside reservation lands that were promised to them in treaties.
His point, the democrats need to be in this for the long game, don't give up, keep pushing, one election are a time, always progress, even if it take awhile.
Beartracks
(14,609 posts)That being the one who, even if not perfect in your eyes or all-in on your favorite issue, is at least pulling in the same direction that you want to go. Democrats, indeed all progressives and liberals and anyone who leans that way, need to employ relentless incrementalism at every opportunity.
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marmar
(79,759 posts)Initech
(108,788 posts)May you all rot in the hottest of hells for this!
Joinfortmill
(21,188 posts)DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS, STAND UP TO THE RUSSIAN ASSET, KRASNOV.
Daily press conferences would be helpful. Just saying. DO F*CKING SOMETHING USEFUL!