I Learned Some More About Magats Today

[gab13by13]

I live among them in my small town. I used to do my taxes by paper and mail them in, now I take them to people at our senior center, mainly because it's free and they send them in electronically.

I still do my taxes just to double check myself.

So the nice elder Magat lady is going over my 1040 form and when she gets to Social Security she shows me the amount that I have to pay taxes on, and then says that Trump is trying to make SS tax free, which it should be.

Of course I then chime in that it will be nice to not pay any taxes on SS if its still there to pay taxes on. She then gives me a lecture about how Trump is just cutting out the fraud and waste from the federal government and tells me about how lazy federal workers are just blowing away our tax dollars.

My wife was with me so I bit my tongue and only said, I hope you are right, you must be a glass half full person, I'm a glass half empty person.

So when Krasnov and Musk tear down our Federal agencies they are only tearing down the lazy people who do nothing. I guess it's going to have to get worse before they catch on, and then it will be too late.

[Irish_Dem]

1. They will have a steep learning curve.

[IbogaProject]

24. They will never learn

They will just blame us as the cause.

[Irish_Dem]

28. Yes some will go to this deaths blaming everyone else

For their mistakes

[CrispyQ]

2. I've never held a government job but I can attest that there are plenty of lazy loafers in the private sector,

& a whole bunch of them managed to float to the top.

[Hugin]

4. It's like a septic tank. n/t

[Demobrat]

10. Been there. Smelled that.

[WhiteTara]

6. Is that called the Peter Principle?

[niyad]

8. Yes

[CrispyQ]

23. I hadn't heard that term before & had to google it.

The Peter Principle
The idea that people will be promoted up to a point where they are no longer qualified, leaving a company full of incompetent employees.

Personally, I think it's more DEI hiring than the Peter Principle. The PP implies they are qualified for all their promotions prior to the last one & that' s not always the case. White straight males get preferential consideration for everything, qualified or not. Some are genuinely qualified & make it to the top, but many of them aren't.

[allegorical oracle]

22. Worked in both public and gov't. sectors. Honestly, I rarely saw any shirkers -- could count them

on one hand. Saw more of them in the private sector. Both had rating evaluations, both expected overtime from workers. Only difference was that the private sector rarely gave raises and didn't pay overtime (everyone was salaried). Gov't. had "step" increases and paid overtime.

[Hugin]

3. I guess eliminating SS is one way to make it tax free.

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Not the way I would choose.

Were there any face eating leopards lurking about? They are allegedly using rock-paper-scissors to determine who gets the bite. I need a first hand source for confirmation.

[allegorical oracle]

26. And the U.S. debt will go down when there are no more workers to pay. Social Security won't be

necessary, either, because life expectancy will drop. Medicaid expenses will shrink, too, because more people will die without proper care.

Wonder if future generations will regard the Trump era as America's "dark ages".

[Hugin]

37. I already do.

Dark times, indeed.

[The Wizard]

62. You describe passive genocide

or GQP population control.

[allegorical oracle]

64. Would call it malignant neglect. It's a feature of autocracies. People are disposable when they are

unable to work. Recall ol' Michelle Bachman barking something about people having to work for their daily bread.

[Aristus]

5. I didn't know there was even that much to learn about them.

MAGAts are simple folk. No measurable human intelligence. No real intrinsic worth as human beings. Fond of MMA and pointless, decades-long blood feuds.

Wave an American flag in their faces, and they will commit any atrocity, break any promise, abrogate any oath, perform any perversion, and murder any innocent person you tell them to.

If we could find some reliable way to keep them holed up in their hovels and not bother those of us who want to live in an honorable country, I would help fund that effort in any way I could.

[mdbl]

7. I used to try and give some of them the benefit of the doubt

But they have proven themselves totally worthless in a functioning society. It should not take more than a decade of shit for them to realize what was being done to them. They are too lazy to find the facts and would rather follow a carnival barker and his fringe news organizations like Fux Nooze.

[GoneOffShore]

13. Simple folk?

Kind of like this -

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[Aristus]

14. The trope-namer.

[orangecrush]

15. Yup

[allegorical oracle]

27. Plenty of MAGAts live in McMansions, too. Just saying. One's at Mar-a-Lago. nt

[Aristus]

38. That's 'Ocean-and-Lake', in the 'State of The Flowery Place', now that English is the national language.

I wonder how the MAGAts are going to hold up under that. Redneck and Hillbilly don't count as actual English.

[BarbD]

29. They never ask the question, "Why?"

They just swallow the swill they are fed.

[hadEnuf]

9. This same type of BS goes back to Reagan.

First it was "there is some fraud in welfare". Then it was "there is a lot of fraud in welfare." Then it was "rampant" fraud in welfare. Then "welfare queens". Finally, "all welfare is fraud."

They pulled it with unemployment insurance. Grants. You name it, and they are screaming fraud.

Now they are pulling it with Social Security.

You would think people would have caught on to this by now.

But then again, with TV, internet and talk-radio spewing these lies as fact 24/7 we shouldn't be surprised.

[Justice matters.]

42. Yep. Fascists take away human rights gradually.

The color teevee since the advent of unregulated cable networks turned out to be the beginning of the end of the Constitutional Democratic Republic.

[hadEnuf]

56. Yes. Unregulated is the key word here.

Many saw the power of the TV in the early 1950's when it started becoming popular, especially what could happen if it was left in corporate hands. Hence the Fairness Doctrine to try and keep that in check.

It's been a predictable and downward slide ever since the Fairness Doctrine was repealed. Even though it did not apply to cable, it at least set some kind of standard. Now it's a free-for-all and we are treated to corporate, right-wing propaganda daily, to the point where many are literally brainwashed by it or are simply left with no facts at all.

[Demobrat]

11. I would have asked her why

no tax on SS is not in the budget currently making it’s way through congress. No tax on tips or overtime is.

[oasis]

12. MAGpires are gonna find out soon enough.

Trump doesn’t give a shit about anyone but Trump.

[OMGWTF]

16. Remind fumducks like her that it was St. Ronny Reagan who first taxed our SS benefits.

So he could give his rich buddies more of our money.

[AmericaUnderSiege]

17. I'm glad there are people with the patience to talk to these ignorant drones.

Maintaining community is the most important victory against hate. Comes time to speak assertively, never let go of that kindness.

[Keepthesoulalive]

36. Black folks have been trying for centuries

It doesn’t work.

[AmericaUnderSiege]

40. It does. Good amplifies with time.

The slightest grain of kindness triggers avalanches of the same that we will never see.

We live in the wakes of such contributions from the past.

The enemy are nothing more than animals, and will never be anything else, but the grace of humankind is just getting started.

[Keepthesoulalive]

45. That sounds real good

We live in the real world. Humans have always fought for territory or for demagogues. Judging by the last election we have not evolved. Why don’t you talk to the people of The Ukraine 🇺🇦 and listen to what they have to say.

[AmericaUnderSiege]

47. Humans do this and that, but there are long-term trends.

In terms of Ukraine, I would point out the erroneous use of the term "The" Ukraine as evidence. Nobody does that anymore. It's an independent nation with a deep sense of its own destiny, and that's due to the growth of the free world alone.

[Keepthesoulalive]

49. Okay ,Ukraine.

Now that we have settled that back to the main point. They voted for a mad man and his minions, he is setting the world on fire . When are they going to have that come to Jesus moment? Please stop pretending something will get through to them, they don’t care about others. They may pretend if those social security checks don’t come. But once they get them right back to hating others.

[AmericaUnderSiege]

50. No, we didn't.

It wasn't even a majority, and there's no evidence Russia's murderous war in Ukraine was a significant campaign factor. You're basically accusing Americans of failure to be superheroes.

Meanwhile ignoring everything that came before. The Biden administration warned the world over a week before Russia's invasion, which many wouldn't have in order to preserve their strategic advantage, and many dismissed because their own intelligence was too weak to see it. Ukraine was a beach resort for Soviet apparatchiks and Russian oligarchs, and would have stayed that way.

Regardless of what the Kremlin gains in the short-term, one thing you can be certain of: The revenge of the Free World will be spectacular, and not of the gentle sort that Joe Biden inflicted.

[Keepthesoulalive]

51. You keep moving the goalposts

I used Ukraine as an example of humans need to make war , trying to make nice with brain dead , soulless , empathy challenged Americans will not work .

[AmericaUnderSiege]

58. Incoherently slandering Americans is not helping your case.

Ukraine exists as an independent nation because of the West's victory in the Cold War. It further exists because of our years'-long defense of it on every front against the genocidal Russian invasion. Your persistent attempts to ignore that and craft a narrative that somehow one guy erases the whole context seems very...odd.

[Keepthesoulalive]

60. You're being obtuse

I know about the Russians history with the people of Ukraine , how the Russians starved them and fed the mules so they could dispose of the corpses. I also know and live Americans history and its legacy of hate and genocide. I am under no illusions because the hate that has been under the surface is now bubbling over . Please don’t bother to answer, I will not see it.

[AmericaUnderSiege]

61. I'm answering anyway: America stands with Ukraine.

We have never given permission to anyone to do otherwise in our name, and will not.

Media headlines are not reality.

[NoRethugFriends]

53. no you're just making crap up

[AmericaUnderSiege]

59. Gosh, I've never gotten an incoherent insult comment when I counter Russian propaganda.

This is such a novel experience. I am completely thrown for a loop. However will I regain my composure?

[NoRethugFriends]

63. this is what I was referring to

Regardless of what the Kremlin gains in the short-term, one thing you can be certain of: The revenge of the Free World will be spectacular, and not of the gentle sort that Joe Biden inflicted.

[AmericaUnderSiege]

66. If you don't understand something, ask.

We can get meaningless anti-Western insinuations and insults on X.

[NoRethugFriends]

52. respectfully, bull

[AmericaUnderSiege]

55. It's up to you what you fight for.

Disgust with bad folk never runs out if you're staring at the negative all the time. You need to find the light on the other side of the coin or there's no point. Plenty of it to be had for anyone who can see it at all.

[Beringia]

72. I appreciate your take on things. I think there is light too, whatever temporary world events that go on

[AmericaUnderSiege]

73. No point fighting darkness without knowing light.

Light is the point.

[Nimble_Idea]

18. tots n bears

[ToxMarz]

19. Social security was tax-free, until...

Former cult leader Reagan changed that.

Magats

[usonian]

20. They'll all graduate from FAFO University real soon.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219770873

Short version:

[bluestarone]

25. Every state should have this on a huge billboard.

EVERY STATE!

[chia]

21. We need to get past the "bit my tongue" stage. She was probably left thinking she told you.

Not a criticism, since I'm the type to keep my mouth shut in public, but an admonishment to myself that it's past time to speak out, and loudly, when the opportunities present themselves.

[gab13by13]

41. Believe me, I can't wait to rip into Magats,

I learned early on never to debate with them, they will bring you down into the sewer where they are experts. They are zombies, they believe conspiracy theories. No, now I give them zingers that they can't respond to.

Pretty much all of them are racists and bigots, so one day I told the pro in our club house, that I had an idea how to get more people to sign up for our member/guest tournament. I said, bring in a few celebrities to play, like Caitlyn Jenner. No one said a word, just a few hrummphs.

Do not get it why people like Caitlyn love Krasnov?

It wasn't the right time nor place to rip into that tax lady.

[NoRethugFriends]

54. you don't need to debate her. just tell her she's full of shit

[Dem4life1234]

71. Call the idiot a traitor that's what they are

[MichMan]

43. This

Screaming in her face and calling her a motherfucking Nazi lover would be quite satisfying I bet.

[chia]

48. Not my style. The thing is, the tax preparer brought up Trump first. She injected politics into her work.

In that scenario, I see nothing wrong with handing her back some truth. I'm so tired of their in-your-face proselytizing as if they never expect to get pushback.

[Johonny]

30. Trump a proven fraudster, is absolutely trusted

By these people. It is amazing. I guess it is easier to believe in fantasy than to face reality. But Trump reality can't be avoided forever. Not now, thanks to people like her. Morons.

[pandr32]

31. Yep. They've completely gobbled the bs cover story.

Then they offer no resistance.

[MiHale]

32. They must have to pee quite a bit...

because of all the kool-aid they drink.

[IronLionZion]

33. MAGAts always think someone else is the "lazy people who do nothing"

so they might be in for a rude shock to find out that wealthiest super genius in the world finds them to be "fraud, waste, and abuse".

[Dem4life1234]

70. They love to use that lazy word

They use that bullshit for black people, too.

But funny, they never mention the amount of days that orange loaf golfs or how the bearded idiot took a vacation after only a month of working?

And wasteful, fraud, they can't see all the waste going towards Elon's shitty rockets.

They are a bunch of walking contradictions...they should start being known as traitors. I have written them off.

[Orrex]

34. I'd love to see every single Trump voter and supporter starving in the streets

Literally dying from the policies that they voted for, and I'll cheerfully spit in their faces when they beg me for help.

Fuck. Every. Last. One. Of. Them.

[Wednesdays]

57. They won't be dying of starvation

But once another pandemic hits, and I mean a BAD pandemic (what with RFK Jr. in charge), they'll be dropping like flies.

[Orrex]

67. And I'll be ok with that.

The problem, as with their vote, is that their proudly willful ignorance will hurt innocent people around them.

[Blue Full Moon]

35. Taxing SS started with Reagan

President Reagan signed legislation in 1983 that began taxing Social Security benefits. The legislation was passed by Congress with bipartisan support.

[MichMan]

44. Yep, Reagan had a Dem congress his entire two terms

They passed everything before he could sign it into law

[progree]

39. Does she know that income taxes on Social Security GO INTO THE S.S. TRUST FUND? Prolonging its life

and when the SS Trust fund is exhausted, S.S. will still pay benefits matching payroll tax revenue PLUS INCOME TAXES ON SOCIAL SECURITY revenue. At least that's the way current law is written. I have no assurance it will stay that way, either thru MAGAT congressional action, or some future illegal executive action.

Anyway, under current law, after SS Trust Funds exhaustion, without income taxation of SS benefits, benefit payments will be less, only what payroll taxes alone can support.

This is not yet another linkless assertion of opinion as fact by some message board rando --

https://www.ssa.gov/policy/trust-funds-summary.html

In 2022, an estimated 48 percent of beneficiaries paid income taxes on part of their benefits. Receipts from these taxes go to the OASDI Trust Funds and Medicare's Hospital Insurance Trust Fund. In 2023, income to the combined OASDI trust funds from the taxation of benefits amounted to $51 billion.

Some more debunking of S.S. myths and memes -- with links to official sources as they were in the Biden administration, including a Social Security trustees report signed by four top Biden administration officials including then Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143369508#post9

[Ferrets are Cool]

46. Must be nice to live in a State of Denial...until that state bottoms up.

[tinymontgomery]

65. My wife has me bit my tongue also

But I would have liked to have said, you mean the lazy folks that you're sending mine and everybody's else's tax forms to, those people. I guess I people will have a hard time getting their refunds back (if they're getting any back) with all the lazy folks getting fired.

[SupportSanity]

68. Finding lazy people in the federal government is like finding truth in a Trump speech.

What a treat that must've been!

[Dem4life1234]

69. They are envious of federal workers

Fed workers have good health benefits, pension, bosses who treat them right, etc.

Magas do not.

Which is why they are always ranting about them.

Ugly human beings.