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highplainsdem

(61,769 posts)
Wed Mar 5, 2025, 03:17 PM Mar 2025

How Much Should Americans Worry About Elon Musk's Ketamine Use? (Shayla Love, The Atlantic)

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2025/03/ketamine-effects-elon-musk/681911/

How Much Should Americans Worry About Elon Musk’s Ketamine Use?
Excessive use of the drug can make anyone feel like they rule the world.

By Shayla Love
March 5, 2025, 12:53 PM ET


Last month, during Elon Musk’s appearance at the Conservative Political Action Conference, as he hoisted a chain saw in the air, stumbled over some of his words, and questioned whether there was really gold stored in Fort Knox, people on his social-media platform, X, started posting about ketamine.

Musk has said he uses ketamine regularly, so for the past couple of years, public speculation has persisted about how much he takes, whether he’s currently high, or how it might affect his behavior. Last year, Musk told CNN’s Don Lemon that he has a ketamine prescription and uses the drug roughly every other week to help with depression symptoms. When Lemon asked if Musk ever abused ketamine, Musk replied, “I don’t think so. If you use too much ketamine you can't really get work done,” then said that investors in his companies should want him to keep up his drug regimen. Not everyone is convinced. The Wall Street Journal has reported that Musk also takes the drug recreationally, and in 2023, Ronan Farrow reported in The New Yorker that Musk’s “associates” worried that ketamine, “alongside his isolation and his increasingly embattled relationship with the press, might contribute to his tendency to make chaotic and impulsive statements and decisions.” (Musk did not respond to my requests for comment. In a post on X responding to The New Yorker’s story, Musk wrote, “Tragic that Ronan Farrow is a puppet of the establishment and against the people.”)

Ketamine is called a dissociative drug because during a high, which lasts about an hour, people might feel detached from their body, their emotions, or the passage of time. Frequent, heavy recreational use—say, several times a week—has been linked to cognitive effects that last beyond the high, including impaired memory, delusional thinking, superstitious beliefs, and a sense of specialness and importance. You can see why people might wonder about ketamine use from a man who is trying to usher in multi-planetary human life, who has barged into global politics and is attempting to reengineer the U.S. government. With Musk’s new political power, his cognitive and psychological health is of concern not only to shareholders of his companies’ stocks but to all Americans. His late-night posts on X, mass emails to federal employees, and non sequiturs uttered on television have prompted even more questions about his drug use.

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Research has not yet established the side effects of long-term ketamine therapy, but older studies of recreational users offer some insight on heavy, extended dosing. Celia Morgan, now a psychopharmacology professor at the University of Exeter, in England, led a 2010 study that followed 120 recreational ketamine users for a year. Even infrequent users—those who used, on average, roughly three times a month—scored higher on a delusional-thought scale than ex-ketamine users, people who took other drugs, and people who didn’t use drugs at all. Those who averaged 20 uses a month scored even higher. People believed that they were the sole recipients of secret messages, or that society and people around them were especially attuned to them. The psychological profile of a frequent ketamine user, Morgan and her team concluded, was someone who had “profound” impairments in short- and long-term memory and was “distinctly dissociated in their day-to-day existence.” Morgan's study was not designed to determine whether people who are more likely to be delusional are also more likely to recreationally use ketamine, but Morgan told me that stopping the drug, in most cases, will dramatically reduce these side effects.

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How Much Should Americans Worry About Elon Musk's Ketamine Use? (Shayla Love, The Atlantic) (Original Post) highplainsdem Mar 2025 OP
An overdose that leads to a permanent nap would be fine LW1977 Mar 2025 #1
We are in ruins... LaRaven Mar 2025 #2
He was already delusional but that stuff cranked it to 11. Dave Bowman Mar 2025 #3
I think Musk may be bipolar in addition to being a serious drug addict. Irish_Dem Mar 2025 #4
I just brought up my identical independent impression in Post #5. n/t Hugin Mar 2025 #7
I think so too. Haggard Celine Mar 2025 #9
Yes he is trying to self medicate, it is not the right med for his disorder. Irish_Dem Mar 2025 #12
Skum is on a cocktail well beyond merely ketamine... Hugin Mar 2025 #5
I agree. Irish_Dem Mar 2025 #14
At the frequency and doses he's taking... a hell of a lot (unless he achieves the "solution" dose)... hlthe2b Mar 2025 #6
Drug abuse never ends well. Dulcinea Mar 2025 #8
Worked out pretty well for Junkie Bob. bluesbassman Mar 2025 #10
I've never had it. Mosby Mar 2025 #11
I'm concerned he's... lame54 Mar 2025 #13
I had it once in a hospital C_U_L8R Mar 2025 #15

Irish_Dem

(81,019 posts)
4. I think Musk may be bipolar in addition to being a serious drug addict.
Wed Mar 5, 2025, 03:28 PM
Mar 2025

Also narcissistic personality disorder.

His bipolar may involve psychotic thoughts.

Haggard Celine

(17,802 posts)
9. I think so too.
Wed Mar 5, 2025, 03:37 PM
Mar 2025

I think he's using ketamine to feel better, not just to treat some symptoms. Don't know what else he's taking, but this could be very dangerous for him and the rest of us as well.

Irish_Dem

(81,019 posts)
12. Yes he is trying to self medicate, it is not the right med for his disorder.
Wed Mar 5, 2025, 03:45 PM
Mar 2025

Making him much worse.

We can assume he is taking other drugs too.

Yes quite dangerous for the world.
And he is working with Trump who is also severely mentally ill, a ruthless psychopath.

A very bad combination.

Hugin

(37,818 posts)
5. Skum is on a cocktail well beyond merely ketamine...
Wed Mar 5, 2025, 03:30 PM
Mar 2025

Uppers, downers, and I am sure some things most of us have never heard of.

On top of his pre-existing personality (bipolar? he sure acts like it.) disorders and claimed autism.

He’s a disaster. The type of disaster that only gets worse with stress and a lack of sleep.

Irish_Dem

(81,019 posts)
14. I agree.
Wed Mar 5, 2025, 03:53 PM
Mar 2025

It is reasonable to assume that a person who is addicted and abuses one drug is doing the same with other drugs.

Yes we can see that he is not getting much sleep which is due to bipolar and stimulant use?
Then he has to take downers to get some sleep.

Bipolar is a mood disorder, but yes he also has at least one maybe two personality disorders.
Narcissism and Borderline PDs.
Probably antisocial PD like Trump.

Very dangerous people working in tandem.

hlthe2b

(113,739 posts)
6. At the frequency and doses he's taking... a hell of a lot (unless he achieves the "solution" dose)...
Wed Mar 5, 2025, 03:30 PM
Mar 2025

It irks me because ketamine is a very useful drug in the right hands and can be extremely safely used for any manner of indications in humans and animals (again, in the right hands).

This abuse is only adding to the difficulties in obtaining (legally), safely storing, and transporting. Yes, it is a scheduled drug (III) already. Obviously that doesn't seem to mean anything to some really corrupt physicians (and others) diverting it.

 

Mosby

(19,491 posts)
11. I've never had it.
Wed Mar 5, 2025, 03:43 PM
Mar 2025

I would try it though, but I'm not really into "dissociative" drugs.

Never did the mdma stuff either, don't think I would try that.

C_U_L8R

(49,315 posts)
15. I had it once in a hospital
Wed Mar 5, 2025, 03:57 PM
Mar 2025

And it was the most terrifying experience ever (and I thought I was well-versed in psychedelics). It was totally dissociative… as in this universe disappears and you are entirely somewhere else. That really zapped me for months after. I would not recommend this drug at all. And if Musk takes it regularly, his screws aren’t just loose, they are gonzo.

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