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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI will get killed for this but I think Amy Comey Barrett
may come around. I hope so.
skylucy
(4,024 posts)drray23
(8,792 posts)We have had supreme court judges who, over time switched from one party to another once on the court. Since it's a lifetime appointment they can do as they wish.
Ms. Toad
(38,655 posts)Since they are untouchable (as long as they behave themselves), they are not beholden to the person or party that appointed them. And, over time, justices see enough that they tend to become more just.
Of course there are some notable exceptions - Thomas and Alito being two of them.
Frasier Balzov
(5,064 posts)is that he benefited from affirmative action, which he now ideologically opposes.
Pulling the ladder up after him.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)More than one teacher took him under their wing, including a nun in grade school who taught him Standard American, instead of the Gullah he had been born and raised with.
And so it went. Seeing that he was bright and studious, help was offered, and he took it.
However, he disapproved of Affirmative Action that could help others not so fortunate. Moreover, he deeply resented that anyone should think he might have been a beneficiary.
What you see now is just a continuation.
Ms. Toad
(38,655 posts)I think he's still pissed about Anita Thomas - and still pissed about not really being accepted in the good ol white boys club. Just pissed in general. Kind of like Trump in that way.
littlemissmartypants
(33,746 posts)Metro135
(403 posts)His mother literally raised him on her social security benefits, and as soon as he gets into Congress he wants to destroy the social safety net
raccoon
(32,393 posts)paul91046
(30 posts)ALL BUT ONE TURNED LIBERAL!!!! HELLO EARL WARREN....BROWN VERSUS BOARD OF EDUCATION.... HELLO DAVID SOUTER.
She maybe brainwashed as to a woman's Roman society certainly has morals. She's put her money where her mouth is. Her adoptions are admirable. Fingers crossed.
unblock
(56,200 posts)Not never, but pretty damn close.
Voltaire2
(15,377 posts)MrSkunkB
(83 posts)We have to stop following politics like a sport/streaming show.
proud patriot
(102,514 posts)they both have young children .
dchill
(42,660 posts)The ones who don't are Conservatives on the Court. I wouldn't kill you, in any case.
WarGamer
(18,620 posts)Trump MUST pay for work ALREADY COMPLETED.
SCOTUS DID NOT rule on the legality of Trump's cuts... just in the case of paying for a job already done.
Retrograde
(11,423 posts)where she has close contact with people outside her bubble - I hope she proves capable of learning
rampartd
(4,641 posts)i imagine the stochastic terrorism has begun. death threats. swatting. the usual maga fun.
Amaryllis
(11,305 posts)rubbersole
(11,225 posts)..in the metaphorical handshake ropeline was of someone filled with disgust. Like women look at misogynistic ugly pigs. IMHO
bucolic_frolic
(55,181 posts)Not totally steeped in white male, corporate culture. She is a bit more practical. Not always, but sometimes.
John1956PA
(4,972 posts)She was new to the court at the time, and, of course, she voted with the conservatives. However, I wondered at the time why she did not write a concurring opinion. He failure to come through with some hot anti-choice rhetoric gave me pause to ponder.
Quixote1818
(31,156 posts)madaboutharry
(42,034 posts)I wouldnt hold my breath for a sudden epiphany or her turning into the next Justice Souter, but I do think Alito and the rest of the Gang of Four have alienated her. I think the other women on the court are having an influence. It seems she is moving slowly to the right side of center, which is a definite improvement.
I also think she finds Trump repulsive.
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Wiz Imp
(10,024 posts)Strelnikov_
(8,171 posts)She may be OG Conservative.
OG Conservatives hate Orange Julius.
littlemissmartypants
(33,746 posts)It's extremely naive to believe that a miniscule Facebook clip of an extended exchange between a group of people, which doesn't include the person in question, is representative of the reaction of the excluded person.
What is posted in that clip was her reaction after she smiled at him. She smiled while he was addressing her directly, her personally, face-to-face. That's what I was talking about, and I know what I saw.
There's no referant to account for her expression afterward. She could have been reacting to his odor at that point. It's entirely up for interpretation.
In my opinion, all of her facial expressions look fake and as if she's in pain. She is, after all, a Republican.
Wiz Imp
(10,024 posts)I've watched the full video of Trump shaking hands with the Generals (or whoever they were) then the Supreme Court members over a dozen times now, and I don't see her facial expression ever come close to a smile. She keeps a very stoic look on her face the whole time except for when she responds to Trump saying thank you by apparently saying thank you back. Anthony Kennedy who was beside her gave Trump a big smile. Oh, and the extended exchange between Trump and Barret lasted less than 2 seconds.
I don't know what else to say. If you think that was a smile, then that is what you saw and that is fine. However, I have yet to find a single other person online who thought she smiled at him.
madaboutharry
(42,034 posts)The clips I saw of her last night showed something different. She looked repulsed by him.
littlemissmartypants
(33,746 posts)Any "clips" of the program. I turned the television back on in hopes that the ordeal was over only to find out that he wasn't quite finished making his victory lap out of the chamber.
So what I watched wasn't an after the fact clip. It was the actual exchange as presented on live television.
Eugene
(67,105 posts)Like John Roberts, she is sympathetic the Christian right cause,
but she won't sacrifice her own or the court's legitimacy
covering for TSF's ham-fisted power grabs.
MacKasey
(1,519 posts)She should have resigned on January 20th 2021 and let Joe Biden pick her replacement.
FullySupportDems
(448 posts)I feel like maybe this rational ruling by the scotus is just meant help them get through the next, sure to be outrageous, ruling. It's cover. I hope I am wrong, it's just my thoughts.
elleng
(141,926 posts)and I've thought so since one of her first votes; she is not a knee-jerk decider.
hamsterjill
(17,583 posts)That is a big mistake and one that we do not have the luxury of indulging in. If she gives us a bone once in a while, smile and take it. But never, absolutely NEVER, forget who she is and what she believes - AND who she is beholden to for the position she has.
Kaleva
(40,366 posts)There are only three conservative justices they like. Of the rest, Roberts gets the worst abuse, followed by Barrett and then Kavanaugh.
hamsterjill
(17,583 posts)She was appointed by Trump and everything he does has a price tag. To believe any other way is naive.
Our side cannot afford to give some of them the benefit of the doubt.
It is literally all or nothing.
Kaleva
(40,366 posts)Judges, members of Cabinet, members of WH staff, appointments to administrative positions such as Gen Milley.
hamsterjill
(17,583 posts)But dont start telling me to give them any quarter. That is what got us into this fucking mess to begin with.
If you want to make nice with them, that is your privilege. But I am never going to forget what AMC took away from American women when she participated in dismantling Roe.
So we disagree and we will continue to disagree. No need to continue to try to convince me. Ive seen too much and I am highly unlikely to ever change my stance.
Have a nice day.
totodeinhere
(13,688 posts)in the long run can give her cover. Don't ever trust her.
hamsterjill
(17,583 posts)They (none of them who were appointed by Trump) can never be trusted and it is foolish to even suggest otherwise.
I completely agree with your post. We can never forget who they are.
leftyladyfrommo
(20,008 posts)I just want justices that support our constitution and the rule of law.
bluestarone
(22,199 posts)I feel she WILL defend our constitution. (I hope) Cannot 100% count on this tho.
blogslug
(39,167 posts)but, watching her face and Kavanaugh's while they were shaking hands with Donald, looks to me like they fucking hate him.
Quixote1818
(31,156 posts)ReRe
(12,189 posts)It looked like he shook Kavanaugh's hand but not hers Could that be the reason for her reaction?
Carlitos Brigante
(26,848 posts)Skittles
(171,745 posts)that perhaps the SC doesn't like being called out as being Trump whores, even if they ARE Trump whores
Kaleva
(40,366 posts)IbogaProject
(5,921 posts)But she is still anti-choice, but better than Alito and Thomas.
multigraincracker
(37,665 posts)Its where you fall on the curve even when it comes to DJT, Im sure there is a human somewhere worse than him. I like to use him as a model. If I do something, I ask myself is this what he would do. If it is, I know its wrong.
But thats just me.
Morbius
(997 posts)I believe the right assumed she'd fall in line on every decision, and (at least) this time she followed the law. The Constitution is pretty clear on this; Congress allocates the funds and the executive does not have the privilege of deciding not to use them as directed. Barrett will receive blow back for this; you can count on that. The real question is what she does next time. Will she cave to pressure? I suspect she will, but I hope I'm wrong.
VGNonly
(8,495 posts)When nominated for the SC, he was considered a solid conservative choice by GWH Bush. By the time he retired, he was a solid liberal jurist.
V850i
(125 posts)I almost think Russia has been playing the long game, compromising person after person in the GOP and on strategically chosen judges, ever since they stared with T in 1987. T got their names from Putin who certainly has kompromat on some of the judges in the pool that the Heritage foundation gave T.
This latest ruling will have little practical impact, and will likely be undone as other cases are winding their way through the system that challenges the President's power to spend monies where he wants. In somewhat similar cases Biden lost those SC cases where it was Congressional power vs Executive power, but with T in there I am certain it will go the other way, This latest ruling was a bone to fool the public and media into thinking the SC still calls balls and strikes. ACB is in on the scheme so she was free to vote to uphold the lower court ruling for now.
JoseBalow
(9,500 posts)No.
Pris
(157 posts)nilram
(3,549 posts)That was the reason for the look on her face last night. My theory and I'm sticking to it.
B.See
(8,532 posts)REICH are absolutely furious with her, reportedly having gone so far as to brand her a "DEI hire," for her siding with liberal justices against Trump's cruel and inhumane world aid sabotage.
MAGA Rages at DEI Pick Amy Coney Barrett for Defying Trump - Daily Beast
Though perhaps these so-called 'Christians' failed to consider that maybe a justice, who hails from a Catholic majority city, herself a product of a devout Catholic family,
just wasn't ready to be party to Trump's act of world genocide, and on Ash Wednesday, no less.
Which is not to excuse Barrett for being part and parcel to other reich wing ratfuckery. Of which there was aplenty,
But maybe this time, on this day, it was a bridge too far.
GoodRaisin
(10,924 posts)Thats more than can be said for the 4 partisans.
ShazzieB
(22,616 posts)I feel like she is starting to think for herself a little bit as time goes on, instead of always going with the hard liners.
JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)she has been involved with, she is NOT in the mold of Alito, Gorsuch, Thomas, and Kavanaugh.
She is not blindly devoted to a particular ideology whose personal beliefs will twist the Constitution's interpretation to conform to those personal beliefs, as her male counterparts on that court do.
In other words, she will try to separate her personal bias and prejudices when interpreting cases before the court. The Alitos' and Thomas' have absolutely no problem making rulings based on their own prejudices rather than an honest interpretation of the Constitution.
At least that is my observation.
JDAcme
(35 posts)enough about the evolution of justice David Souter but I would assume George Bush Sr. thought he was appointing a conservative. Thankfully, it didnt work out that way. Things are different today. The Federalist Society acts as the gatekeeper of the Supreme Court, and its hard to see how someone with an open mind could wiggle in past that gatekeeper. Hugo Black had been a member of the KKK, and he became one of the most liberal justices in the Courts history. So, maybe theres hope.
ReRe
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Clarence Thomas to replace Thurgood Marshall.
rubbersole
(11,225 posts)...GHW's wife said of the hurricane Katrina refugees flowing into the Huston Astrodome - "They were so disadvantaged, this is working out very well for them." Maybe daddy Prescott and his Nazi ties had an influence on this decision. Uncle Clarence is the most obviously corrupt Justice in history. His wife is worse than he is.
ReRe
(12,189 posts)The rich should just keep their mouths shut.
They think they are saying something kind,
but invariably their words cut like glass.
Klarkashton
(5,306 posts)That's all I have to say about it.
JI7
(93,630 posts)Someone I would disagree with on most issues.
But she is doing things based on her views and what she thinks is right instead of doing things based on what Trump wants.
Skittles
(171,745 posts)JI7
(93,630 posts)But just hope she isn't a Trump ass kisser.
Meowmee
(9,212 posts)Jacson6
(2,018 posts)Mr. Sparkle
(3,713 posts)don't get your hopes up. Maybe she is not a big a monster as the others but she still is a religious conservative.
JustAnotherGen
(38,057 posts)Very carefully. When it comes to a state challenging a total abortion ban law -
She'll go home to the Theocrats.
Forgive me - but I hate anything and everything Magat and will never trust any of those people.
Blasphemer
(3,623 posts)So, shes not inclined to be cruel like the others. Thats something.
travelingthrulife
(5,201 posts)leftyladyfrommo
(20,008 posts)Johnny2X2X
(24,217 posts)When she was nominated, he said, "on a couple issues, she's flat out wrong. But you could do a lot worse and she will not roll over for anyone."
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Emile
(42,318 posts)crud
(1,257 posts)for their powers of persuasion. There is a lot that goes on in those chambers that we do not see. The conservative men on the court are pretty disgusting humans and women hating assholes, so it wouldn't be a stretch to think she is repulsed by them and drawn to side with the liberals.
brush
(61,033 posts)most of the time.