To all the Democrats who voted to censure Al Green

[erodriguez]

Fuck you.

And fuck the leadership who allowed it to happen.

The message that is being delivered to democratic voters is total surrender.

If you will not fight, step aside.

[liberal N proud]

1. Why would they do that?

[erodriguez]

2. These Dems think that if they appease MAGA that somehow they'll keep their jobs.

[Oopsie Daisy]

16. Really? Is that what they think? How do you know?

[Karasu]

17. Frankly, it doesn't matter how they think. No Dems should be doing this under fascism. At all. There isn't a single

valid reason for them to censure other Dems anymore (short of actively aiding and abetting this regime, which no Dem should be doing anyhow).

Only unflattering ones.

[Think. Again.]

101. I read that post as an opinion, ...

...perhaps you should have asked "why do you think that?" instead of "how do you know?".

[Oopsie Daisy]

114. LOL - That's a very generous and unrealistic interpretation.

I checked again, and there was no "I think" or "I believe" or "it seems" or "maybe" or "IMHO" ... it was stated as fact, as something that writer knew. I find that it's best to take people at their word. They said what they said, and if they meant something different, then they would have written something different.

If they felt it needed clarification (especially after being asked a direct question) then they are certainly welcome to return and expound on their statements and declarations. That poster has returned to this thread multiple times, so it's not as though they've been absent and unaware of the comments.

That's interesting.

[Think. Again.]

118. Just as your "statement"...

...that my post was "a very generous and unrealistic interpretation." (which is obviously your opinion of my post), stated opinions don't necessarily need any kind of qualifier when they're made.

[Oopsie Daisy]

119. Oh brother. 🤡🤣

He made a declarative statement about someone ELSE'S thought process and motivation. It was presented as a statement of fact. How did he know? Is he a mind reader? Did they tell him so? If he actually did NOT know what was inside their minds, then a qualifier is needed. On the other hand, when someone makes a statement about their OWN opinions and observations and descriptions, it's obvious and easily understood where the opinion originates, especially when one isn't pretending to be a mind-reader.

👋🚶🛑🙄🪰

[Think. Again.]

120. Nice try.

[Oopsie Daisy]

123. That's a classic! Thank you!

When someone responds with the phrase 'nice try,' it lets me know that my post was read, and my points are being acknowledged, but without presenting counterarguments. This type of dismissive approach reveals a position of weakness by trying to undermine the argument without actually engaging with its content, which diverts attention from the actual discussion.

Checkmate. I win. Good game.

Goodbye. See ya 'round.

[Think. Again.]

125. My apologies...

Perhaps I should have wrote...

"In my opinion, that was a nice try."

[Emile]

126. +1 winner 🏆

[Oopsie Daisy]

135. No do-overs. Besides, it would not have changed anything anyway.

My response would have been the same. The checkmate still stands.

Nice game. See ya round.

Bye.

[Think. Again.]

136. I wish I could just declare MY self a winner whenever I wanted. Oh well.

[Oopsie Daisy]

139. Well don't give up hope. When/if you actually win an argument/debate *

* then you'll certainly be entitled to do just that. Hang in there! Good luck.

Goodbye, again.

[Think. Again.]

141. I guess I'm just not competitive.

[Oopsie Daisy]

142. Well, how about that! Will wonders never cease?

There's something we can agree on!

Goodbye again!

[NotHardly]

28. That's the long way of saying they're cowards.

If you sit at the table with Nazi's because you want to keep your job, you're a Nazi too.

[Baron2024]

63. Not Even A Nazi

But rather a Quisling and a sycophant.

[coffeebeforepants]

90. And I would think

That just the opposite will happen. They all need to be primaried.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

103. ZERO chance of that happening!!

[LSparkle]

130. Who GIVES them their fucking jobs??? WE the voters!

Fuck them! They’ve forgotten WHO THEY WORK FOR.

[kelly1mm]

3. Vote to censure or step down? nt

[LeftInTX]

8. Censure: Punishment was likely standing in the well and listening to Maga Mike

Likely no loss of voting privileges.

[bottomofthehill]

112. Correct

[walkingman]

6. I think it was probably because they did not want congress to become a shouting match between

each side - in other words to try and work within the system to try and resolve our differences.

Personally I think it was chickenshit for the GOP to initiate the effort and I personally don't think they should have joined in the effort.

The Trump party is so off the rails that I am not sure if "decorum" is going to be possible and I have said for decades....

Never underestimate nasty white people.

[NotHardly]

31. congress to become a shouting match ... We could only such courage would appear amongst the DEMS

Better to fight on the floor of Congress than in the streets across an armed America.

[Magoo48]

34. There is no functioning system.

[hadEnuf]

44. Exactly.

What system?

The administrative war against the depraved Nazis isn't going to work.

[Meowmee]

69. R stood up and shouted at AG, that was a shouting match

[EndlessWire]

73. What a racist thing to say.

It is offensive.

I personally wouldn't have minded if punches had been thrown. "Work within the system?" What? When the USSC gave Trump permission to do anything he wants to the country without retribution, our Government was lost. Got news for the weak Dem leadership---we are not going to be able to resolve our differences with the so called GOP. It doesn't exist anymore. It is now the TP party.

I thought that modest paddle protest signs were subdued but probably all they could do. They should have shown up wearing khaki. The SOTU was really the SOTD (State of The Dictatorship). We are in deep trouble. No need to be polite about it.

[walkingman]

74. As a white person, I take no pleasure in speaking the truth - based on US history. There is no limit to their cruelty.

[Cirsium]

87. Not racist

Racism doesn't "go both ways" although the right wingers have successfully gotten most white people to think that it does.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

104. SO TRUE!!

[Think. Again.]

110. Rascism takes advantage of...

...the already oppressed positions of various races to further oppress them.

White people are simply not oppressed in the U.S., and so racism against whites simply can't exist.

There is no such thing as "reverse rascism" if that means to further disadvantage a race that is not already disadvantaged.

[EndlessWire]

132. LOL!

Why are you joining this ridiculous reasoning of racial animus when I tell you I am offended by generalities of dislike toward White people? It is a weak, nonsensical position that quite boggles the mind. If you think that bigotry gets to avoid being bigotry because it comes from an "oppressed race" and that it is not a two way street because of some logically twisted thinking, there is something wrong here.

I tell you I am offended and immediately the same-old same-old comes out. No consideration of feelings or attitudes. "It couldn't possibly be racial prejudice because, you know, I am oppressed" and so goes the excuses. If you read these answers from my point of view, it is laughable. If my behavior fell to this, I'd get clobbered. I have been in the past when the abuse of this board just came out in waves for absolutely nothing that I did. Yet, here I don't even get to tell you that I am offended by racial slurs.

You guys want what exactly from me? A free pass? I get it. I see it. Here I stand, with you and for you, yet you feel free to insult me. Whatever. Teach your children well.

For the record, I stand with Al Green, I hate Trump et al. with all my heart and soul, but not because they are White, but because they are vicious, souless monsters about to visit hell upon us. I believe that White, Christian males are the only ones that will not be touched, and I have said so. I've got nothing to hide, and you won't catch me making racial slurs, because I don't believe in that, unless you want to call MAGA a race. But, they come in all colors, so there's that.

I'm done with this thread, so rest easy! I apologize to all balding men for praying for Rump's hair to fall out. I guess it is insensitive, but it is the only way I can rage while praying to be saved from this monster. He would so be under pressure if his hair would completely fall out. Maybe we can agree on that.

[Think. Again.]

134. I suspect the majority of his hair has already fallen out...

...and that means nothing to me.

[Cirsium]

138. OK, so you are offended

You are offended. You could have said "that offends me." But you didn't. You said it was racist.

Racism is not about being offended, although the right wing and white supremacist propagandists have been pushing that idea for a long time. Do you want to know what is really offensive? Equating racism with being offended.

“The ‘reverse racism’ card is often pulled by white people when people of color call out racism and discrimination, or create spaces for themselves … that white people aren’t a part of. The impulse behind the reverse racism argument seems to be a desire to prove that people of color don’t have it that bad, they’re not the only ones that are put at a disadvantage or targeted because of their race. It’s like the Racism Olympics. And it’s patently untrue”

Zeba Blay “4 ‘Reverse Racism’ Myths That Need To Stop.”

“Racism has nothing to do with feelings. It is a measurable reality that white people are not subject to, regardless of their income or status”

But what if they’re actually offended by something you said? If someone called you the n-word, wouldn’t you think it offensive?

Yes. But it is only offensive because it is inextricably tethered to the list of egregious acts that the weaker-skinned population actually commit against black people. You can’t separate the word “nigger” from 500 years of slavery, 100 years of Jim Crow, thousands of lynchings and the violation of constitutional rights. All of that is embedded in the word. That’s why it conjures up so much animosity.

That is also why there is no equivalent to the n-word. Even the word “cracker” denotes power and—while it might remind them of the embarrassingly shameful history of white supremacy—it doesn’t carry the same dehumanizing connotation. That’s why there is no word that is “like the n-word.”

- Harriot, Michael. “Reverse Racism, Explained”

Reverse racism is a myth because it attempts to ignore the power/privilege dynamic between the individuals/groups involved; the myth of reverse racism assumes that racism occurs on a so-called level playing field, when in actuality, it does not. One claim of “reverse racism” that is often made is in relation to affirmative actions programs: programs that were created to help ensure that non-white individuals are given equal consideration and opportunities, whether it is in regards to employment, school, or scholarships etc. For white individuals, programs such as this might feel like something is being “taken away.” Zeba Blay outlines how white people often “believe deserving white students are discriminated against while academically unqualified students are given highly coveted college or company positions ― just because they happen to tick the ‘ethnic minority’ box. This argument ignores the fact that affirmative action did not come out of nowhere ― there was a need for a system that would address the decades of under representation of people of color both academically and in the job world.” Sherover-Marcuse explains how “affirmative action programs are attempts to repair the results of institutionalized racism by setting guidelines and establishing procedures for finding qualified applicants from all segments of the population” . In other words, these programs do not privilege people of color but are an attempt to “level” the not-so-level playing field that has historically privileged a certain type of candidate.

https://www.aclrc.com/issues/anti-racism/cared/the-basics-level-1/myth-of-reverse-racism/

Reverse Racism is a Myth

“I am white, middle-class, and able-bodied. I would like to think that I’m a good dancer, even though my family and close friends have yet to agree with me. Though this has not happened, if a racialized person were to say in a public setting (or even to me alone) that “white people can’t dance” and therefore I can’t possibly be a good dancer, my feelings would be hurt. This statement is an example of racial prejudice because it makes an assumption about an entire group of people based on an assumption about skin colour/race—but it is not racism. The articulation of this statement in no way affects my life in any material way. I can continue to dance unhindered, because there is no power behind this statement to change my real opportunities to dance. I can sign up for/pay for dance classes; I won’t be questioned about my ability to pay, and I would bet the classes would be filled predominantly by people like me (white, female, middle-class, able-bodied). The assertion that “white people can’t dance” circulates as a joke but does not hold any kind of systemic power to oppress white people and stop them from dancing. After all, how long have European/North American ballet companies been dominated by white people and white dancers, and why? Who tells who they can’t dance and in ways that literally ban them from doing so?”

https://www.aclrc.com/issues/anti-racism/cared/the-basics-level-2/facilitator-stories/#Reverse

[GiqueCee]

32. Showing true colors?

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siding with Republicans under ANY circumstances in the current political climate is unforgivable. They thought they were saving their jobs? No. They just lost them.

[erodriguez]

4. Here is the list

On Thursday, the 10 Democrats who voted with Republicans to censure Green were: Ami Bera of California, Ed Case of Hawaii, Jim Costa of California, Laura Gillen of New York, Jim Himes of Connecticut, Chrissy Houlahan of Pennsylvania, Marcy Kaptur of Ohio, Jared Moskowitz of Florida, Marie Gluesenkamp Perez of Washington and Tom Suozzi of New York.

[OnDoutside]

10. Jared Moskowitz is a surprise.

[Aviation Pro]

13. No, he's not a surprise

Read his bio.

[ButchMcMuffin]

36. That Fuck'n smurf!

[calimary]

21. So was Marcy Kaptur.

I thought she was better than that. Silly me.

[debsy]

35. Jim Himes is a surprise

He is a good representative for the people of Connecticut. He is progressive and speaks truth to power. I wonder if it about upholding the decorum of the House for someone like him. Still, it is sad. I stand with Al Green on this issue.

[OnDoutside]

77. Wasn't he one of the first to dive in on President Biden ?

[Cherrycheeks]

54. Not a surprise.

My friend and I were discussing our distrust in him last year. I was surprised about Marcy Kaptur.

[shanti]

42. Ugh, my rep is on this list

Shame on you, Ami Bera!

[BurnDoubt]

96. Bigger Picture

Straight out the gate, I believe NO Democrat should EVER cast a vote with Republicans to advance their agenda. If they see what a spine is, maybe they can grow one.

[mountain grammy]

50. Very disappointing

Glad to see no CO reps on this list

[FoxNewsSucks]

5. Couldn't agree more.

Message sent to Democrats w/spines - get rid of it.

[biophile]

7. It seems as if Houlihan is getting roasted

Her constituents are not holding back.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

14. Good! I voted for her and will be sharing my displeasure.

[berniesandersmittens]

9. There's no good explanation for these votes nt

[NewHendoLib]

11. Cowardice

[berniesandersmittens]

24. That's an observable probability

I want to be able to justify my beliefs to the current actions of the party. Of course the majority Dems voted their (my) conscience.

Trying desperately to square their votes with even one reason. Unless their families are being threatened, how can they do this to a fellow party member, let alone one who repeesents a large portion of ourbase?

Un.believable.to.see.this.happen

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

105. Cant believe that vote--shouldve walked out en masse from the State of the NAzi Fascist Union (SNAFU) speech in SUPPORT!

[Karasu]

19. Indeed there is not.

[erodriguez]

12. Suozzi calling green a bonehead.

Suozzi — a centrist Democrat who flipped a red seat during a special election last year — lamented that instead of concentrating on the details in Trump’s speech, Americans are talking about Green’s protest.

“Instead of focusing on protecting Social Security, Medicaid, and Medicare, and instead of addressing rising costs, fixing immigration, and Ukraine, too many Americans are talking about a member of Congress being removed from the chamber,” Suozzi wrote on social platform X. “This is not helpful.”

“I’m serious about building bipartisan coalitions to tackle these pressing concerns. It’s the only way. Both parties must hold themselves to the same standards we expect from the other side,” he added. “I am angry about plenty that the President is doing and what he said the other night, but the punch, counterpunch is not working.”

On Wednesday night, Suozzi told CNN’s Kaitlan Collins on “The Source” that Green’s display was “wrong” and “boneheaded.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5180324-10-house-democrats-censure-al-green/

[MustLoveBeagles]

15. Appeasement never works

[durablend]

18. "Bipartisan coalitions" tra lalalalala

They're still not getting it, are they?

[Karasu]

30. No one should still be clinging to that bullshit. That ship sailed ages ago. It's the wishful thinking mentality of

another time that we are never returning to.

[BlueKota]

71. There is no bipartisanship

in an oligarchy. These people who still want to reach across the aisle and hold hands with the other side are in serious need of a wake up call.

Being oh so polite and respectful is just making it look like they don't think what tsf and muskrat is anything to be alarmed or angry at.

People need to be alarmed and need to get angry, if the historical patterns hold true.

[Kingofalldems]

22. Bad things about Democrats.

[Bettie]

58. Do you think that the Dems in question

did a GOOD thing? Or is it that you think Green did a terrible thing in daring to speak up?

[Phoenix61]

56. Talk about not reading the room.

Decorum was buried a while back. Imagine what “they” would be talking about if not one single Dem graced that disgusting speech with their presence. Or if they were there, one of them walked out every time tdump told a lie.

[johnnyfins]

85. How is it possible that Al Green

Got tossed for violating the decorum rule, but all of the assholes on the other side, singing: "Na Na Na Na Hey Hey Goodbye", as he was leaving, were not in violation of the same rule?

[yankee87]

20. What the actual fuck?

MAGA sticks together no matter what. Democrats should ever never vote against any other Democrat. We are in total war.

[William769]

23. This is just wrong being censured for standing up for the American people?

& this is fucked up, Democrats voting for it.

[berniesandersmittens]

25. Rec

[NotHardly]

26. For those Dems who voted to censure... F*CK you cowards

[moniss]

27. Yet they allow Marge and Bobo to go off on people. nt

[Karasu]

33. Yep. If you're going to be the pearl-clutching decorum police, you had damn well better apply that to everyone.

Funny how so many have just kind of given up on that thought process when it comes to holding fucking Republicans accountable for literally anything they say or do. It's like once American conservatives all started talking like fucking Twitter trolls, the decorum police just gave up and started focusing more on other Dems. Hypocritical, performative nonsense.

[TomSlick]

29. These Democrats are looking to the next election.

Not voting to censure Green would look like they favor Representatives shouting at a SOTU while shaking a cane at Trump.

Green said he was guilty of disruptive behavior and welcomed censure. This was a meaningless vote that avoided hard questions in the next election.

Keep your eyes on the prize. The mid-terms are critical.

[hadEnuf]

48. Are we back to the 3 dimensional chess again?

Keeping our powder dry?

[TomSlick]

68. Just recognizing the long game for the prize.

Civil disobedience is morally acceptable but it comes with a price. That is why it is courageous.

If a member of Congress disrupts a joint session there will be consequences. It is good trouble but it's still trouble.

Representative Green felt compelled to violate the rules of decorum. Good for him. He agreed that he violated the rules and welcomed censure as a badge of honor. Better yet for him.

Democrats in contested districts cannot be seen to countenance a Representative shouting during the SOTU while shaking his cane. Representative Green wanted to be censured. The Democrats that voted for censure gave him what he wanted. Voting against censure would have accomplished nothing other than to provide ammunition in the general election.

If avoiding meaningless gestures that will be costly in retaking the House is keeping your powder dry, then "Put your trust in God, my boys, and keep your powder dry."

[bottomofthehill]

116. Let's see how Mr Green chose to talk about himself

https://m.

&pp=ygUOYWwgZ3JlZW4gdHJ1bXA%3D

[hatrack]

55. WHAT next election? Yes, let's be orderly and polite, and maybe Trump will be nice to us!!

Pathetic. Get a grip.

[TBF]

62. The "we need to wait for the midterms" people are

getting on my last nerve. The midterms? It's been what - has it even been 6 weeks? All the damage they've done already is crashing DC. Housing market, crashing. Unemployment, through the roof. Do folks realize what will happen if they stop sending those social security, medicaid, and medicare checks? Elon Musk does not care. At.All. But it will be our friends and neighbors in very dire straits.

[TomSlick]

72. In my dark hours, I share your concern about whether there will be another election.

In calmer moments, I remain confident that the Republic will hold in the end.

Whichever is true, there is no alternative to being prepared for the midterms. Defeatism can only result in defeat. Giving in to defeatism is surrender. We must prepare and work for victory.

[hatrack]

78. If voting to censure someone in Congress for calling bullshit isn't defeatism, I don't know what is

The wolf is at the door, and at least some Democratic members are worried about whether to use the red or white place settings before inviting him in for dinner.

[TomSlick]

98. Not making a futile and politically suicidal vote is not defeatism. It's keeping your eye on the prize.

REP Green welcomed censure and wears it as a badge of honor. He knew his actions were contrary to the rules of the House and that he would be censured. It was political theater. Voting for the censure was a cost-free way to avoid political ads with a picture of a screaming REP Green shaking his cane at Trump with the caption "REP ????? voted to support this!"

The Democrats are positioned to retake the House in the midterms. The party holding the White House usually looses congressional seats in a midterm. With Trump tanking the economy, dismantling the government, threatening to annex Canada, and siding with Putin against Ukraine, the Democrats should end up with a decisive majority IF the Democrats can resist the temptation to form circular firing squads.

Trump is self-destructing. Just wait until we start seeing TV coverage of seniors be evicted from nursing homes because of cuts to Medicaid. By November, 2026, the voters will be ready for a change.

I support Democrats and will not attack one on DU for not committing political suicide.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

109. Sad but true!! Fuck bein polite... Al Green had it right!!

[TBF]

61. You need to keep your eye on the prize -

actual people will DIE without Medicaid. That is what my rep Al Green was trying to get across. The health care of Americans should matter to every member of DU. This isn't some game on the X-box. This is real life with serious outcomes for people. Al Green understands that, but it appears plenty on DU do not.

You're gonna sit and clutch your pearls until mid-terms? How many people will die by then?

[Orrex]

92. That's one hell of a way to spin it

Absent any substantive principled stands, we’re left with a party that seems to prioritize appeasement and aisle-reaching more than anything else.

[OldBaldy1701E]

100. You mean the rigged one that is coming up?

Assuming they even want to go through the motions?

Yeah, there will be no more 'elections'. There will be 'appointments'... you know... like a king does.

[lonely bird]

37. Ummmm...

Fuck the decorum, we go high BULLSHIT.

This. Is. War.

Storm the headquarters.

[kimbutgar]

38. I will be donating money to their primary challengers in my state next election.

This is why we are so screwed ! Traitorous Democrats!

[Evolve Dammit]

39. Watch the British Parliament and see how it's done. Loud exchanges and part of the process.

[SunSeeker]

40. Where's the censure resolution against Rep. Gooden who committed ASSAULT?

Republican Rep. Lance Gooden basically committed assault by ripping the sign out of Democratic Rep. Melanie Stansbury's hands at Trump’s Joint Session speech.

Where's the censure resolution against Representative Gooden???

[Dogberry57]

52. Agreed

I asked the same question to my representative, Dan Newhouse, who sponsored the reprimand. He never replies to my inquiries.

[padah513]

64. I bet if she was a he and his name was Melvin he wouldn't have done it.

[1WorldHope]

41. I called all 10. Spoke to 9.

Several were answering machines. 1 vm was full. The others said that they were very busy today. I started each call by asking what they were thinking. I ended with, you gotta do better or get out of the way. We are in the middle of a coup and every Dem needs to stick together. Everyone I spoke to was polite except for the last guy on Tom Souzza's call he was a bit testy. He said Tom really wanted to push back. I asked what stopped him. He said Mr. Johnson was leading. I said, huh? And he hung up.

[ancianita]

45. RIGHT ON! Good for you! Thanks! I myself emailed three leaders with words to the same effect.

They reached out to me on Gmail and I let 'em have it.

[ancianita]

43. I just sent scathing versions of your message to party vice chair David Hogg, Chair Ken Martin, and Rep Elissa Slotkin.

Because you're right -- fuck those ten and the leadership. I'd post it here but would probably get alerted.

[NH Ethylene]

47. I could support them voting for the censure

Because it's disrespectful to yell out repeatedly during an address. And anyone doing so should know they are taking this risk and they believe it is worth it. BUT, that consequence should apply to everyone equally and not split along party lines, and that is not the reality. So if MTG gets away with it then so should a Dem.

[SunSeeker]

60. Rep. Al Green was calling out Trump's lies, MTG was herself lying as she interrupted Biden. Big difference.

It should be a violation of decorum to lie.

[Oopsie Daisy]

65. Being disruptive only makes Trump look more "presidential" *

* and while I understand, share and agree with his anger and outrage — I think it was a mistake. A "fist pumping" and "hell yeah" moment for the most progressive Democrats... but for the the square states and flat states and fly-over states... it makes the Democrats look bad.

Just my opinion... as long as everyone is sharing, I thought I'd share mine too.

[Joinfortmill]

49. Amen

[djacq]

51. Where's the Unity?

[The Wizard]

53. They might have done this to

keep their seats in swing districts

[Cherrycheeks]

57. That's what tbey always say that

This time they can't try that shit. Everybody is angry.

[ForgedCrank]

59. We're going

to have to present ourselves as the professionals if we can ever hope to turn this mess around. We chastise Republicans when they pull shenanigans, and we shouldn't be condoning such behavior for ourselves either. Frankly, the behavior the other night during the speech was unacceptable in my opinion. A few people in that crowd made us all look bad because that is where the focus was. We have to present ourselves better as this sort of stuff is seriously counterproductive.
I know this isn't a very popular opinion, but the raw reality is that we have to attract more independent and moderate types in order to pickup the numbers we need. This means concessions, like it or not. Taking the hard line on everything is a losing strategy, and Impressing our own voters gains us nothing. The entire thing was ill-advised in my opinion. Green should not have done what he did.

[tornado34jh]

67. They have to stop this appeasement junk. It's time to fight hard

This is why I have been critical of the fact that too many of these people are trying to appeal to the other side when that isn't going to help. The Republicans are expecting that the Democrats won't be aggressive and put up a fight. The Democrats who voted to censure Al Green are exactly the type of people I am critical about. They don't get how critical of a situation we are in with this bastard of a government.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

106. 100+... there is no appeasing Nazis, EVER!!

[tornado34jh]

144. That is showing weakness to me in the sense that you are trying something that obviously won't work

Keep in mind, this isn't the same political party we are facing compared to say 20-25 years ago. That is long gone. Since 2008, when Obama took office, the GOP has been pushing further to the right. This isn't the Republicans of the early 2000s. The Democrats in Congress have to stop thinking that the GOP is what it was back then. It is no longer. Appeasement no longer works with these cult people.

[Meowmee]

70. No D should have voted for this

None should have voted for any nominees either.

[Initech]

75. I will not sit down and watch these assholes, scumbags and dipshit losers burn my country down.

[Sky Jewels]

76. Primary their traitorous asses!!!

😡

[MayReasonRule]

80. A List Of The Ten...

[Linda ladeewolf]

81. They should all have walked out! Every damn one of them!

[bdamomma]

82. Step aside!!!!!!

is correct. Sliding in with the treasonous GQP, are they fucking stupid.

[WorkDoctor]

83. Only Fighting Dems wanted

by their constituents. No "bipartisanship" when the other side is made up entirely of abusers and apologists for abusers.

"Comity" was Biden's trademark and look what it got him. The old days of civility are long gone. Street brawls and lies are the new norms. I don't want us to lie, but do want to see fighters on our side. Warriors for justice wanted. Apply here. No others need apply.

[flashman13]

84. Nancy Pelosi would never have allowed Democrats to vote to censure their own.

Neither Jefferies or Schumer are in control of their caucus. It's time for new leadership.

[BigMike2028]

86. To all the Democrats who voted to censure Al Green

Let's recall them.

[bottomofthehill]

115. Can't recall House Members

[dchill]

88. Be it resolved: Democrats must maintain decorum at all times...

...while Republicans lie, cheat and steal and their treasonous, Putin-pimping convicted felon autocrat spews lie after lie after lie and crudely insults his immediate predecessor. That'll work.

Aside to Hakeem: You know 10 votes is a very small minority of what is already a minority, right?

[republianmushroom]

89. Agree with this poster.

[ellise]

91. TO DUMB ASS DEMS!!!

This is the problem…WE NEVER FUCKING STICK TOGETHER..
TELL ME PLEASE…WHAT DID THAT ACCOMPLISH…OTHER THAN TO Show them HOW STUPID DEMOCRATS ARE.

[BigDemVoter]

93. They should all stick together in a united front.

Rep Green did nothing illegal. P*$$Y-Grabber is a traitor a felon and a rapist, and he was impeached twice. The repigs circled the wagons despite all of the corruption and crime, and now we have him again.

Why can't these folks wake up? I don't want to criticize all Dems, but the party has a reputation for not being combative enough as a whole.

[berksdem]

94. I left a blistering

and expletive VM for our asshole in PA-06!

[mimitabby]

95. I sent postcards to each of them today

Praising Green and letting them know I was very disappointed in them

[Dem4life1234]

97. They should be primaried

Republicans stay on code.

These idiots need to learn how to stay on code.

His constituents will literally perish without healthcare and he is concerned.

Shame on those meek morons who voted to censure him.

Matter of fact, I am disgusted that more of those Dem politicians didn't walk out when he was removed.


Why can't this fucking party learn to damn stay on code??????? This isn't the time to play kind against fascists.

Why don't they learn???

[Betty Boom]

99. Agree

And I am so disappointed in Jefferies. Not only because he clearly doesn’t have control of his caucus, but because of his milquetoast demeanor and passivity every time I see him interviewed. I found myself dozing off at his lack of ability to produce sound bites Good Lord, they are beating us every time leadership appears on TV. When are we going to realize that we need to dump down the message to the level of a sixth grader?

[Think. Again.]

102. "Centrist Dems" have always tried to move the party from the left...

....toward the "center", which is a rightward movement.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

107. SO true... good luck to them with that!!

[Think. Again.]

108. Up until now, they've been very successful.

We'll have to wait and see if the Democratic Party continues to allow that rightward creep, or if we pull hard back to the Left where the Party has always belonged.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

111. We won't have to wait and see much longer... the time to act and stand up to the Nazi-in-Chief is NOW!!

This country won't survive two more years of this shit!!

[betsuni]

113. How was the 2024 Democratic Party platform more to the Right than previous platforms?

What are examples of this supposed "rightward creep"? Can anybody provide evidence of it? The party has always been liberal Democratic.

[Think. Again.]

117. Perhaps this will help...

"Center" = middle, between Left and right.

"Centrist Democrat" = a Democrat who's position is in the middle of the Left and the right.

Moving the Democratic Party toward the right has been a decades-long effort by such groups as Third Way etc. Obviously, this rightward pull is celebrated by (if not actually helped along or maybe even instigated by) the rightwing.

It's been common knowledge for years. Here's just a sampling of recent media discussions on the rightward creep, there is plenty more out there...

https://www.counterpunch.org/2025/03/06/the-return-of-regressive-third-way-politics-to-the-democrats/

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/a-new-moderate-way-forward-for-the-democratic-party.html

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2025/3/5/2307583/-Democrats-could-move-to-the-middle-but-should-they

https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/11/08/united-states-election-democratic-party/

[betsuni]

121. So zero evidence of any rightward shift in policy. Just opinions in media about Third Way. It's a think tank

and their latest announcement started with criticizing messaging and that the Democratic Party ignores the economy and focuses too much on identity politics (same as what Bernie Sanders always says).

There has not been a rightward shift in the Democratic Party. The mistake was those assuming American voters were democratic socialist anti-establishment populists, which of course they aren't.

[Think. Again.]

122. I disagree...

...I think that so many Dem Senators voting "Yes" for so many extremely rightwing Cabinet nominees shows a definite rightward lean.

[Emile]

124. That's excellent evidence!

[AZProgressive]

128. A lot of Sanders supporters did complain about identity politics

I wasn't one of them. In 2020 Bernie campaigned on economic & racial justice. Basically he was left wing on economic & social issues. It was the centrists or third way that weaponized identity politics against Bernie in 2016 but after Bernie lost the centrists moved away from being left wing on social issues and want to move to the right on those issues. Before most centrist or moderate Democrats were right wing on economic issues but at least you could count on them to be left wing on social issues.

As far as right ward shift the most obvious example is immigration -- under Obama Democrats supported comprehensive immigration reform but in 2024 they endorsed a hard right border bill.

[Passages]

129. I want to see a statue dedicated to Al Green's proud trouble.

[samnsara]

131. the lone Wash state dem is a hispanic woman who was just elected

...in a DEEP RED county. I can see her conflict but couldnt she just abstain from voting?

[Emile]

133. She should have voted not to censure. Two

years from now the voters would long forget how she voted on this. No reason for her vote to censure.

[totodeinhere]

137. You are not thinking logically. The pukes have a razor thin majority in the House

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and pending the results of upcoming special elections they might even lose their majority. So the Democrats need every vote they can get. The last thing we need is to say "fuck you" to a group of Democrats whose votes we desperately need to hold on to.

[Emile]

143. The last thing we need is a small group of centrist Dems voting against the

Democratic party and their peers. They are the ones who are saying FUCK YOU!

[Dawson Leery]

140. Primary Them All!!!

[LS0999]

145. Was the Georgia Neanderthal censured when she pulled that stunt on Biden?

Certainly not from her own party.

[gulliver]

146. Nah, it was the right thing to do. Green probably wanted it.

Green's elected, so I respect him. (He had a right to play risky, not being an unelected, self-selected "volunteer pseudo-saint influencer." ) Green will be in the news after the censure defending Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid (and hopefully smacking Trumpies). It's much, much better than the result from the pink clothes and auction paddles stunts. Green took one for the team.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

147. He sure did... gotta love him for that!!