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Celerity

(54,405 posts)
Fri Mar 7, 2025, 09:57 PM Mar 2025

How Did America Not See This Apocalypse Coming?





https://newrepublic.com/article/192315/trump-economy-recession-ukraine-russia-world-war-apocalypse

https://archive.ph/eC8LH



On Friday, as he and Vice President JD Vance tore into Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy in the Oval Office on live TV, President Donald Trump briefly broke the fourth wall. “This,” Trump said as he surveyed the cameras surrounding them, “is going to make great television.”

It was a moment that summed up Trump’s political project. Here he was, screaming at the leader of a free nation that had been invaded by a longtime American rival three years earlier and who, until recently, had been feted in Washington by leaders of both parties. But more than that, Trump was radically altering America’s foreign policy in real time, shifting the balance of power globally in favor of authoritarianism, and starting a chain reaction that could lead to Russia invading other neighbors and possibly even triggering World War III. It was compelling television, certainly.

Three days later, it happened again. As Trump spoke on live television Monday about the tariffs he was slapping the following day on goods from neighbors Mexico and Canada, as well as longtime trading partner China—tariffs that pretty much every expert agrees risk hurtling America into recession—you could watch, in the bottom right corner of Fox News’s feed, the stock market plummet. Over the course of 20 seconds, the market fell by three points per second; by the end of the day, more than $3 trillion—the total gains for the first two months of the year—had been wiped out. It was, to be fair, pretty great television—particularly once the Curb Your Enthusiasm theme was

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David Leavitt (@davidleavitt.bsky.social) 2025-03-04T06:14:40.966Z" target="_blank">added.

Trump’s experience as the decade-long host of The Apprentice, where he played the straight-talking rich boss, has always been crucial to understanding both his appeal and his approach to politics. He sees the presidency as a television show, and his decisions are often driven by the desire to make good television above all else. This can lend a sense of unreality to his presidency, as if what we’re watching either isn’t real or is an exaggerated version of reality.

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How Did America Not See This Apocalypse Coming? (Original Post) Celerity Mar 2025 OP
It's because as a society, we're apparently just fucking stupid. Ocelot II Mar 2025 #1
54% of Americans have a literacy level *below* sixth grade. Duncan Grant Mar 2025 #8
And that's a big problem. Many of us are in relatively highly educated bubbles... DSandra Mar 2025 #18
I live in a multicultural, multilingual, west coast city, that's not a bubble. Duncan Grant Mar 2025 #19
Yes but we don't realize how "special" it is to be educated, given that the majority of Americans don't seem... DSandra Mar 2025 #23
In fairness, literacy isn't the only metric for intelligence. meadowlander Mar 2025 #24
Important distinction -- thx! (nt) Duncan Grant Mar 2025 #35
i might have been skeptical about demons rampartd Mar 2025 #36
I understand the demon thing. xmas74 Mar 2025 #42
How? Because he accomplished so little his first term, voters were reassured andym Mar 2025 #2
Yes. A LOT of people worked overtime to prevent the worst of what his instincts were telling him to do... Blasphemer Mar 2025 #9
Too many people voted with their fucking wallets. Initech Mar 2025 #30
Keep in mind that voting with one's wallet is a very common tendency across modern American history andym Mar 2025 #41
I saw it coming. Scrivener7 Mar 2025 #3
He has poor political instincts, or none at all. bucolic_frolic Mar 2025 #4
Trump is from Queens... appmanga Mar 2025 #33
I said in 2016 boy are we fucked now kacekwl Mar 2025 #5
NO ONE READ PROJECT 2025 vapor2 Mar 2025 #6
Stupidity, maybe? Thinking America was somehow better/stronger/more stable than it actually is, maybe? Solly Mack Mar 2025 #7
Fox News and other pernicious propaganda outlets Mysterian Mar 2025 #10
Millions in the U.S. are resentful and vindictive. Trump is their therapist. Duncan Grant Mar 2025 #11
A lot of America DID see this coming. Buns_of_Fire Mar 2025 #12
I saw it coming when he said "Russia if you're listening" wendyb-NC Mar 2025 #13
Ignorance apathy and stupidity. The Third Doctor Mar 2025 #14
Celebrity status has more value than just being a decent human being Blue Owl Mar 2025 #15
I saw this coming four years ago, Trump only lost in 2020 because of COVID DSandra Mar 2025 #16
They did not care what he was going to do William769 Mar 2025 #17
I did and I voted against him 3 fucking times. rickyhall Mar 2025 #20
I did and I voted against him 3 fucking times. rickyhall Mar 2025 #21
They have been talking about doing this since I was in the 6th grade. Blue Full Moon Mar 2025 #22
'70s conservative movement's think tanks, evangelicals, fundraising and advertising by direct mail betsuni Mar 2025 #37
They voted their racism and against the image that the cult propaganda mill projects about Dems. usonian Mar 2025 #25
a majority of his voters did NAZI this coming. lapfog_1 Mar 2025 #26
How did The New Republic not see it? That's the question... FakeNoose Mar 2025 #27
Because half of this country is too busy being distracted by the shiny objects on Fox and social media. Initech Mar 2025 #28
Article's subheading.... krkaufman Mar 2025 #29
he is so physically ugly Demovictory9 Mar 2025 #31
This voter didn't choose him. mdbl Mar 2025 #32
How? ReRe Mar 2025 #34
"Why didn't Democrats stop/why did they allow _____ ?" What are you talking about? betsuni Mar 2025 #38
Republicans have been against E.D.U.C.A.T.I.O.N. ReRe Mar 2025 #40
No, no, no---Fuck that shit. Paladin Mar 2025 #39
America has been living in a diminishing commercial bubble Uncle Joe Mar 2025 #43

Duncan Grant

(8,920 posts)
8. 54% of Americans have a literacy level *below* sixth grade.
Fri Mar 7, 2025, 10:20 PM
Mar 2025

(This will come as no surprise to you, Ocelot ll, but I thought I’d drop it here just for perspective.)

Do 54% of adults have a literacy level below 6th grade level?

Yes, approximately 54% of American adults have a literacy level below the equivalent of a sixth-grade level. This means that they struggle with basic reading and comprehension skills.


Explains a lot, but not all. You’ll be shocked to learn there are people who believe demons walk this earth. Not metaphorically — literal straight from hell, college educated, demons. What a country.

DSandra

(1,719 posts)
18. And that's a big problem. Many of us are in relatively highly educated bubbles...
Fri Mar 7, 2025, 10:47 PM
Mar 2025

and can't understand how the world is from relatively uneducated people's perspectives, nor understand how most of America is much less educated than us.

Duncan Grant

(8,920 posts)
19. I live in a multicultural, multilingual, west coast city, that's not a bubble.
Fri Mar 7, 2025, 11:15 PM
Mar 2025

I believe ignorance and isolation is the bubble. White supremacy is definitely a bubble. Conversely, being “woke” is a bubble buster. An isolationist foreign policy supports the bubble. Over-reliance on personal belief systems enable the bubble. Religion forms bubbles.

Long story short — critical thinking, the ability to live in a multicultural/multilingual world destroys bubbles. And maybe that’s a message worth “evangelizing” with initiatives like, DEI (diversity, equity and inclusion).

DSandra

(1,719 posts)
23. Yes but we don't realize how "special" it is to be educated, given that the majority of Americans don't seem...
Fri Mar 7, 2025, 11:48 PM
Mar 2025

to be anywhere as educated and as informed about politics and other things. Many have thought of the president as some sort of dictator for a long time, well before Trump.

We see all the bad stuff that Trump and Republicans are doing, but many Americans may not realize how bad it is because they are so uninformed.

meadowlander

(5,133 posts)
24. In fairness, literacy isn't the only metric for intelligence.
Fri Mar 7, 2025, 11:59 PM
Mar 2025

21% of Americans speak English as a second language which would impact their score on an English-language literacy test but doesn't automatically make them stupid or uninformed.

Not saying there aren't an awful lot of actually stupid folk out there, but I don't think it's 54%.

rampartd

(4,628 posts)
36. i might have been skeptical about demons
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 03:32 AM
Mar 2025

but it is difficult to understand trump's power without considering the possibility of a faustian contract.

xmas74

(30,055 posts)
42. I understand the demon thing.
Sun Mar 9, 2025, 01:55 PM
Mar 2025

I dated a few men who could wear that well. One if them might actually scare a real demon, if they existed.

andym

(6,066 posts)
2. How? Because he accomplished so little his first term, voters were reassured
Fri Mar 7, 2025, 10:01 PM
Mar 2025

What they didn't realize was that Trump's incompetence was papered over by people with government experience who stopped much of his poor judgement from being realized.

Blasphemer

(3,623 posts)
9. Yes. A LOT of people worked overtime to prevent the worst of what his instincts were telling him to do...
Fri Mar 7, 2025, 10:22 PM
Mar 2025

Activists on the left, the courts, Dems, even members of the GOP. He was reigned in on multiple fronts. He inherited Obama's economy and the Dems bailed the country out during the pandemic. They never got to see the real DJT.

Initech

(108,772 posts)
30. Too many people voted with their fucking wallets.
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 12:49 AM
Mar 2025

And with the shiny objects on Fox, Newsmax, OAN, social media.

andym

(6,066 posts)
41. Keep in mind that voting with one's wallet is a very common tendency across modern American history
Sun Mar 9, 2025, 01:49 PM
Mar 2025

so that is to be expected, and needs to be carefully addressed. That's why Trump was out there on the campaign trail calling America an economic dystopia, when the economy was strong. He was amplifying the idea that inflation meant the USA was in a recession, which it was not.

bucolic_frolic

(55,129 posts)
4. He has poor political instincts, or none at all.
Fri Mar 7, 2025, 10:05 PM
Mar 2025

He's a gambler, with a showman's grasp on con jobs. Polling by gut feelings, then act on it. Rigid mental certainty.

With apologies to NYers, I attribute this to a distinctly Brooklyn area undercurrent of personality because a strain of it runs in my family. Yes it's authoritarian.

appmanga

(1,492 posts)
33. Trump is from Queens...
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 01:03 AM
Mar 2025

...and is essentially what you'd get if Archie Bunker actually became president. And one of the most interesting and disappointing things Norman Lear found out is lots of people didn't see Archie as a foil and ignoramus; they saw him as the character they rooted for. And as time has gone by, his bigotry is mitigated by people who's opinions boil down to Archie was decent because he wasn't a violent racist.

I was born and raised in Brooklyn and I can't recall ever encountering anyone from there being as stupid as Trump.

kacekwl

(9,144 posts)
5. I said in 2016 boy are we fucked now
Fri Mar 7, 2025, 10:12 PM
Mar 2025

Then to my amazement it happened again. He said what he was going to do and for once he told the truth.

vapor2

(4,506 posts)
6. NO ONE READ PROJECT 2025
Fri Mar 7, 2025, 10:15 PM
Mar 2025

I wanted to vomit when trump waved his finger in Zelinsky's face. I would have grabbed that finger if it was in my face. Merkley asked trump sycophants if he is a Russian asset. Chris Landau said trump had a special gift of making deals (and killing people in the process)

Solly Mack

(96,940 posts)
7. Stupidity, maybe? Thinking America was somehow better/stronger/more stable than it actually is, maybe?
Fri Mar 7, 2025, 10:18 PM
Mar 2025

Mysterian

(6,482 posts)
10. Fox News and other pernicious propaganda outlets
Fri Mar 7, 2025, 10:30 PM
Mar 2025

Evil people have overwhelmed gullible people with propaganda.

Duncan Grant

(8,920 posts)
11. Millions in the U.S. are resentful and vindictive. Trump is their therapist.
Fri Mar 7, 2025, 10:31 PM
Mar 2025

The real tragedy, imho, is we’re fighting each other in a culture war. We should be fighting a worldwide class war. I hope I live so long…

Buns_of_Fire

(19,161 posts)
12. A lot of America DID see this coming.
Fri Mar 7, 2025, 10:32 PM
Mar 2025

The disturbing part is how many of them saw it coming and WELCOMED it.

DSandra

(1,719 posts)
16. I saw this coming four years ago, Trump only lost in 2020 because of COVID
Fri Mar 7, 2025, 10:40 PM
Mar 2025

I did the best I could to prepare for this (although I had to deal with tough headwinds.)

Biden did nothing to stop the momentum that was still behind Trump. It was Dems' job to get Trump disqualified from running again and the party failed.

William769

(59,147 posts)
17. They did not care what he was going to do
Fri Mar 7, 2025, 10:41 PM
Mar 2025

They just wanted a white supremacist President & they didn't care how they got him.

Blue Full Moon

(3,484 posts)
22. They have been talking about doing this since I was in the 6th grade.
Fri Mar 7, 2025, 11:44 PM
Mar 2025

Probably before that. That is when I knew because a teacher I had discussed it in class. It's also why I have always voted for the Democratic Party straight ticket.

betsuni

(29,075 posts)
37. '70s conservative movement's think tanks, evangelicals, fundraising and advertising by direct mail
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 08:27 AM
Mar 2025

developing decade by decade into the radical non-governing mess of a party we have today. Newt Gingrich in the '90s and later G.W. Bush found out that Republican voters weren't ideological, didn't want to eliminate government. Now everyone's nutty.

usonian

(25,300 posts)
25. They voted their racism and against the image that the cult propaganda mill projects about Dems.
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 12:07 AM
Mar 2025


And were suckered into supporting oligarchs, being ripped off to give welfare to the rich, and got bitcoin and tech bros in charge.





Complete collection here:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219770873

lapfog_1

(31,904 posts)
26. a majority of his voters did NAZI this coming.
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 12:11 AM
Mar 2025

but they like a NAZI leader so... seig heil!!!

FakeNoose

(41,622 posts)
27. How did The New Republic not see it? That's the question...
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 12:24 AM
Mar 2025

We've all seen what was happening ever since Chump weaseled out of the coup attempt of January 6, 2021.

Initech

(108,772 posts)
28. Because half of this country is too busy being distracted by the shiny objects on Fox and social media.
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 12:34 AM
Mar 2025

Right wing propaganda is a virus. It is not something to mess with. It has rotted more minds than any amount of crack, heroin and crystal meth combined.

krkaufman

(13,961 posts)
29. Article's subheading....
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 12:47 AM
Mar 2025
Trump is doing what he promised on the campaign trail: wreaking economic havoc on America and destroying the rules-based international order. More than half of voters chose him anyway.


… isn’t what I consider accurate. Trump promised to lower prices, and various other things, but he vehemently denied any knowledge of Project 2025. This is the fever dream of the Right Wing manifested, but nobody voted for this because nobody campaigned on these actions.

As for seeing it coming, nearly 50% of the voting population saw it coming, knowing Ttump was lying about Project 2025, like everything else.

p.s. But a caveat/correction… Trump *did* effectively campaign on feeding Ukraine to Russia, and he’s overtly functioned as Putin’s puppet for years, so the foreign policy shift can’t be viewed as a surprise by anybody.

mdbl

(8,650 posts)
32. This voter didn't choose him.
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 12:53 AM
Mar 2025

I never realized just how many stupid voters there are until this election. As soon as the WWE Chick gets done F'ing up the department of education - they will get even dumber, if you can imagine.

ReRe

(12,189 posts)
34. How?
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 01:31 AM
Mar 2025

Well apparently over half of our population doesn't know how to read, write or think, or some combination of the 3. And who's fault is that? I say it's our government's fault. There is no reason why we can't educate all of our citizens. We have no excuse. It's the 21st Century, for God's sake. There is only one Party that faithfully votes against Education down thru the passage of time. Shame on the Democratic Party for letting this happen. If the Dem Party had to go Corporate, then Education should have been a strict shut-down-the-country-over-my-damn-body-cause to fight for in exchange. And if our country survives this horrible nightmare and returns to down to earth Democracy, the Democratic Party absolutely must lay down the fucking law that we educate all of our rural communities!
Period. Full stop.

ReRe

(12,189 posts)
40. Republicans have been against E.D.U.C.A.T.I.O.N.
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 08:27 PM
Mar 2025

since time began. The only reason we have a Dept of Education at all is because of Democrats! Did you just read my reply up to a certain word and then read no more? I'm having a tangle with stress this evening and will have to get back to you on this. I'm not against Dems. I'm just against the things they don't do.

 

Paladin

(32,354 posts)
39. No, no, no---Fuck that shit.
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 09:07 AM
Mar 2025

PLENTY of us saw it coming, New Republic. And we sure don't need any whiney-assed scolding from you, or the NY Times, or any other member of the U.S. mainstream media, now that the Godawful damage is done.

"An exaggerated version of reality"? Here, let me help you out, New Republic: the phrase you're looking for is "Fucking sociopolitical nightmare." Thanks for absolutely nothing...

Uncle Joe

(65,127 posts)
43. America has been living in a diminishing commercial bubble
Sun Mar 9, 2025, 02:17 PM
Mar 2025

for about half a century.

People, and even nations generally can't perceive any opposing or discomforting concepts or ideas outside of their bubble.

Thanks for the thread Celerity

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