My unsubstantiated theory about Ukraine

[Pototan]

Here's my theory of which I have no proof, but a lot of common sense to my conjecture.

First off, Russia did assist the Trump campaign in 2016, and Putin and Trump's friendship goes back years (Trump Moscow). It wasn't a coincidence that Manafort was chosen as Trump's campaign manager. Mueller's report in section 2 explains that he couldn't recommend collusion because of the of the obstruction. Last time I looked, obstruction of justice is a crime.

Now, fast forward to Helsinki and Putin and Trump's private meeting. Trump sent his American interpreter out of the meeting and took his (or her) notes. Trump and Putin were one on one and Trump trusted Putin's interpreter.

So, now, here's my unproven theory. Putin told Trump that he wanted Ukraine. Trump said, "not during my first term. It could cost me re-election. I'd like to fuck Zelenskyy as much as you, but not this year. Wait until the beginning of my second term (2021) and then I won't back him. You can walk in."

Putin agreed. It made sense to him. It gave him time to prepare for the invasion. Then Biden won in 2020, and January 6 happened. Then the Trump indictments hit and it looked like Trump was cooked. No chance for a second term.

Putin then executed his agreement with Trump while Biden was President. To everyone's shock, Trump wins the 2024 election. Now, Putin and Trump are salvaging the initial agreement from 2019. Trump is engineering a Ukraine surrender,

[True Dough]

1. Sincerely hope

Europe prevents that outcome.

[Walleye]

2. I think that's a reasonable conclusion. They've cooked up some kind of deal.

That was why Trump was so panicked when he lost he knew he couldn’t keep up his end of the deal. He’s probably scared of Putin. He only respects people that really scare him and where does Melania fit into this? Manafort is an outright traitor. He worked for no salary that’s suspicious right there Kellyanne was only too willing to be the face of that campaign

[Pototan]

4. Melania is Slovak

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One of the only other countries in the EU, besides Hungary and Romania, that supports Russia.

Corrected on edit
My error. Although Slovenia and Slovakia are often confused and quite similar in history, culture and geography, you are correct. They are two different countries. Slovenia is supportive of Ukraine and Slovakia is not.

Sorry for the mistake and thank you for the correctio, Texas Towelie

[Walleye]

5. I always think Manchurian candidate when I see her. Angela Lansbury played such a chilling role in that performance

[TexasTowelie]

8. Melania is from Slovenia.

Two different countries.

[Pototan]

10. Corrected on edit

Please read reply #4.

Thank you for the correction

[kkmarie]

9. Melania rare appearance

She made a rare appearance when Orban was at the golf motel. She was all smiles with orban. I don't know if she's ever smiled that much in public. And she definitely didn't smile in her artistic photo shoots, you know the photos that russian tv couldn't stop showing.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/melania-trump-stuns-white-power-181545609.html

[MadameButterfly]

17. Ukraine may be a Trump deal with Russia but Melania is probably not a part of it

One of the only other countries in the EU, besides Hungary and Romania, that supports Russia.

My reading is that Slovakia considers Russia a terrorists state, Slovenia turned against Russia over the invasion of Ukraine, and Romania is fighting off a Russian-supported coup to install a pro-Russian leader. So far they have protected themselves better than we did.

I can find no evidence that Melania is a spy or an asset of Putin. There is a lot of evidence that Donal Trump is. Clearly his private conversations with Putin are suspicious. It is logical to suspect that Ukraine was part of some transactional deal. One may wonder if Trump has received advice on how to install a dictatorship, as well as assistance.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/romania-detains-plotting-coup-collusion-russia-rcna195155

[Americanme]

3. I've always felt

that Putin was waiting for America to quit NATO, as he probably ordered trump to do. When Biden won, Putin knew we wouldn't be quitting NATO anytime soon, so he went ahead with his invasion.

[Walleye]

6. He didn't count on the fact that Joe was going to help strengthen NATO

[Irish_Dem]

7. Good basic theory, but there is more to it.

You need to add more of the quid pro quo.

Putin says Trump can have North and Central American.
Putin gets Europe, Xi gets the Pacific.

The Axis of Evil is born with US a prime member.

[Blue Full Moon]

11. They had to arrange to make sure he got elected.

[Blue Full Moon]

12. This would also apply to Gaza.

Kushner went in his first 4 years to work out a deal. The hairbrained idea of putting luxury hotels started then. Biden tried to work out a deal. Netanyahu told him he would wait for Trump.

[Pototan]

19. I agree

[sunnybrook]

13. I would say your theory sounds

HIGHLY likely.

[Buckeyeblue]

14. Probably right on with one exception

I bet Putin suggested waiting until Trump's second term. Trump isn't a strategic thinker. He's an in the moment thinker. Probably in the moment reactor is more like it.

After Trump's defeat, Putin decided to execute on his plan. I think he thought it would be easy but he didn't realize (shame on him) how bad of shape his military was in.

Now it's turned into something different. I think the European resolve to stand up to Putin is at an all time high. Trump thinks he's helping Putin by being tough on Ukraine. But I think it's the opposite. European military could inflict a great deal if damage on Russia which could lead to Putin's demise.

[Joinfortmill]

15. This!

[lostnfound]

16. No 'friendship' with putin only subservience and sycophancy. Otherwise, sure. Nt

[MadameButterfly]

18. Ukraine, Trump, Putin, Melania

One of the only other countries in the EU, besides Hungary and Romania, that supports Russia.

My reading is that Slovakia considers Russia a terrorists state, Slovenia turned against Russia over the invasion of Ukraine, and Romania is fighting off a Russian-supported coup to install a pro-Russian leader. So far they have protected themselves better than we did.

I can find no evidence that Melania is a spy or an asset of Putin. There is a lot of evidence that Donal Trump is. Clearly his private conversations with Putin are suspicious. It is logical to suspect that Ukraine was part of some transactional deal. One may wonder if Trump has received advice on how to install a dictatorship, as well as assistance.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/romania-detains-plotting-coup-collusion-russia-rcna195155

[republianmushroom]

20. The convicted felon is a russian asset, a traitor to the USA. IMO

[Pototan]

21. I agree