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H2O Man

(78,911 posts)
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 02:19 PM Mar 2025

Nature Deficit Disorder

“The whole year begins:
Look! There is snow on the ground!
Look! There are our tracks!
We walk a little further …..
Look! The snow is gone!
We walk a little further ….
Look! The Maple Tree grows leaves!
The Plants are planted.
The Water runs from the top of the hills.
It becomes medicine.”


Onondaga Chief Paul Waterman
13 Strings of Wampum. 13 Moons



I always like this song that Onondaga Chief Paul Waterman taught me long, long ago. The Haudenosaunee had ceremonies for each of the thirteen months they recognized, based upon the moon's phases. They were, like tribal people around the globe and throughout most of human history, in closer contact with nature than most Americans are today.

Below I have included a link to a good article on “green psychology.” Although it was not my primary field of study in the classroom, the classes I did take have always stuck with me. A section of my library contains a number of books on it as part of my “independent study” over the decades.

Just as the evolution of the frontal lobes in our species was the “fall from grace” described in a book you've likely heard of, our separation from the Natural World is the second fall. It has led to what the below article describes as “Nature Deficit Disorder.” And while that is not in the DSM-5, it can and does play a role in a large number of the book's disorders intensifying, just as surely as “processed” foods contribute to the poor health of citizens today.

For somewhere in the neighborhood of the past six weeks, due to frigid weather and an unpleasant infection that resided in my lungs and sinuses, I was stuck indoors. Now, I am a hermit, and rarely venture into what is often mistakenly called “civilization,” other than to stop at a grocery store. I also stop to fill up the gas tank on my vehicle every couple of months. Likely picked the up infection in one of those two spots. But being inside for an extended period did not help my over-all mood.

I can't say that I was aware of my becoming increasingly grumpy at the time. I did enjoy watching the birds and deer on my lawn, through the window. But it wasn't until I wrote a bit during the state of the union, and read the responses, that I recognized that I needed to get outside more. For I want to be one of the pebbles that Senator Robert F. Kennedy spoke of in his June 6, 1966 “Ripple of Hope” speech in South Africa:

“It is from numberless diverse acts of courage and belief that human history is shaped each time a man stands up for an ideal or acts to improve the lot of others or strikes out against injustice. He sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current that can sweep down the mightiest wall of oppression and resistance.”

It is not a cure-all. But it is essential that we take care of ourselves, in a time when Dr. Bandy Lee has noted that our country is experiencing a mental health crisis. And being “mentally healthy” involves far more than not suffering from a major mental illness. It demands that we take the time to take care of ourselves. I hope that you read the article found at the below link.

Peace,
H2O Man


https://neurolaunch.com/green-psychology/

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Nature Deficit Disorder (Original Post) H2O Man Mar 2025 OP
Will read - thank you! cilla4progress Mar 2025 #1
Thank you! H2O Man Mar 2025 #2
Lovely. cilla4progress Mar 2025 #3
thom Hartman wrote about ADHD being the multigraincracker Mar 2025 #4
Thanks! H2O Man Mar 2025 #5
I have a couple of Cardiologists and they all multigraincracker Mar 2025 #6
I have my H2O Man Mar 2025 #7
I recorded 2 knock outs, both of them me. multigraincracker Mar 2025 #8
Ha! H2O Man Mar 2025 #9
I live in a national forest and I do not get outside to play often enough FirstLight Mar 2025 #10
Right. H2O Man Mar 2025 #16
Here's a K-5 curriculum born of this concept Skvngr Mar 2025 #11
Very nice! H2O Man Mar 2025 #17
I started being a fan of boxing back in the days of Floyd Patterson moniss Mar 2025 #12
I had a casual H2O Man Mar 2025 #18
In some respects the boxing biz and the music biz moniss Mar 2025 #22
I remember the first H2O Man Mar 2025 #23
At one time I was checking into being moniss Mar 2025 #24
Very good. H2O Man Mar 2025 #25
Amen. nt moniss Mar 2025 #26
I don't know why I need reminders Saoirse9 Mar 2025 #13
Right. H2O Man Mar 2025 #19
Thank you so much for your inspiration, H2O Man. I will definitely check it out. wordstroken Mar 2025 #14
Thank you! H2O Man Mar 2025 #20
I read an interesting book about this topic FelineOverlord Mar 2025 #15
Very good! H2O Man Mar 2025 #21
Thanks for the link Bayard Mar 2025 #27
Thank you. H2O Man Mar 2025 #28
Absolutely how I take care of myself Easterncedar Mar 2025 #29
It is so important H2O Man Mar 2025 #30

cilla4progress

(26,520 posts)
1. Will read - thank you!
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 02:27 PM
Mar 2025

My family and I are big subscribers to the belief system you describe.

We thankfully live very close to nature and spend more time with her than in "man-made" environments.

Our daughter took a job with a nonprofit whose mission is "offering group mentorship and experiential adventures for vulnerable teenagers," and whose byline is "Get Outside. Grow Inside."

Glad to find a soul brother here!

H2O Man

(78,911 posts)
2. Thank you!
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 02:34 PM
Mar 2025

When my children were babies, I always showed them plants, both inside and out of the house. Now the two of them that are parents are doing the same with my granddaughter in Europe and my grandson a couple miles away. My granddaughter is five months old, and really chatters to the trees on their daily walks. My two year old grandson likes to say "hi" to the trees before petting their bark gently.

cilla4progress

(26,520 posts)
3. Lovely.
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 02:41 PM
Mar 2025

On more than one occasion I have wandered our acreage hugging and thanking the trees.

Good to make friends with them early! ❤️

multigraincracker

(37,312 posts)
4. thom Hartman wrote about ADHD being the
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 02:59 PM
Mar 2025

Hunter Gatherer vs the Farmer, normal folks. That’s me, comfortable out in nature and not so much in society.
My major was Clinical Psychology. All of diagnostic terms in the DSM-5 were developed for charging insurance companies. If you answer yes to 5 or more of these 8 you are labeled. Truth be told, there are only general spectrums. Nothing is black and white, only gray.
The Hunter gathers are now only 10% of the population, but they serve an important role.
Not just you. A month or so ago I came down with what I called the crud. Was out slow jogging 5+ miles/day. Today I went to the Rec Center and fast walked 2 and a half miles feel a little better.

H2O Man

(78,911 posts)
5. Thanks!
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 03:42 PM
Mar 2025

I retired just before the DSM-5 was released. I agree 100% that it reflects the insurance dictates. I could go on and on. But I think the first interview with Dr. Bandy Lee for DU covered an important example for understanding the felon now in the White House.

Due to injuries from a 2001 auto wreck, walking fast -- much less jogging -- is no longer an option for me. It took over 2.5 years of PT to get to be able to walk in a reasonably safe manner. Thus, I am limited to doing "psychological jogging" -- which translates to looking out a window as I consume my cup of coffee mornings, and pretending I'm outside running for a good ten miles at a rapid pace -- before I hobble outside! (grin)

multigraincracker

(37,312 posts)
6. I have a couple of Cardiologists and they all
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 03:53 PM
Mar 2025

Tell me the same thing Keep Moving. If not you feet, at least your arms.
To make it simple for dt, he’s fucking nuts.

H2O Man

(78,911 posts)
7. I have my
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 04:04 PM
Mar 2025

younger son, who tells me to keep moving, however slow. Nothing quite like him running laps around my property with 120 lbs on his back, yelling, "C'mon, old man! I'll get you back in 'fight shape' again!" I suspect the 329 boxing matches I engaged in have added to my aches & pains today. I got him to retire after he won his third state Golden Gloves title, warning him he didn't want to end up like me. Another nightmare was when my older daughter started boxing in Boston. Yikes! She fought out of the last gym that Rubin Carter visited. Problem was, she was really good. Luckily, both listened to me.

H2O Man

(78,911 posts)
9. Ha!
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 04:20 PM
Mar 2025

I was good enough to be featured in Boxing Illustrated when I was 13. I did lose a total of nine fights, but beat those guys if I got return bouts. One guy beat me twice, but that was out of nine fights. It's not good for one's long-term health, though. My oldest brother died as the result of head injuries -- most of these sustained in fights he won. None of my children knew him before the damage was very evident, but I was able to explain it to them.

FirstLight

(15,771 posts)
10. I live in a national forest and I do not get outside to play often enough
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 05:13 PM
Mar 2025

As the weather gets cold I slow down and go into hibernation mode. I know I've got seasonal depression as well as my arthritis getting worse year by year. But nothing is better than even going outside and standing in the sunshine with my face turned upwards for at least 15 minutes. I've been closing my computer and watching my nature outside in my yard more often as well. Been through a lot of trauma the past few months and physical issues to boot, sometimes a little sunshine and blue sky can make all the difference in the world!

H2O Man

(78,911 posts)
16. Right.
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 06:47 PM
Mar 2025

The night sky tends to show up better in the winter, so on clear, cold nights, I enjoy just standing on the lawn and looking up. Not for long periods any more ...... certainly nothing close to when I considered it an adventure to sleep out in the bitter cold. I prefer the sun and blue sky!

Skvngr

(53 posts)
11. Here's a K-5 curriculum born of this concept
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 05:17 PM
Mar 2025

It was developed by my mother who's recently passed, myself and sister are carrying her work forward.

https://livingclassroomlearninglab.org/

This is not an advertisement or solicitation as the curriculum is free to use.

moniss

(8,909 posts)
12. I started being a fan of boxing back in the days of Floyd Patterson
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 05:27 PM
Mar 2025

and Ingemar Johansson and for anybody who doesn't know the story of the trilogy of fights and the friendship they should because it beats the hell out of what most of boxing became later.

H2O Man

(78,911 posts)
18. I had a casual
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 07:04 PM
Mar 2025

friendship with Floyd back when he was the commissioner in NYS. It started when he came in the locker room at a fight card, saw me from behind, and due to my hair said, "Miss, you can't be in here!" We would laugh about that for years.

Not only were he and Ingemar friends after their trilogy, but Johansson became close friends with the next champion, Charles "Sonny" Liston. After Sonny's second fight with Ali, no domestic promoter wanted anything to do with him. Thus, Ingemar brought Sonny to Sweden and promoted a few fights for Liston. It was really the first time Sonny was greeted by a public that really liked him. And, of course, years later Patterson moved there.

Boxing has always been a curious sport. I have liked almost all the fighters I've ever met. And most of the trainers. Far fewer of the managers, and in 60+ years, I've only met one fairly honest promoter. My great grandfather's brother was a boxer. Jersey Joe Walcott worked for my grandfather's construction company before he made real money in the ring. Grandpa's brother was a pro fighter, and eventually a sparring partner for two heavyweight champions who had the misfortune of fighting the great Joe Louis. Later, he promoted his friend Carmen Basilio's first six fights.

Today is the anniversary of the 1971 "Fight of the Century." (Also, of some people in PA breaking into an FBI office and stealing documents that would uncover Hoover's spying on citizens.)

moniss

(8,909 posts)
22. In some respects the boxing biz and the music biz
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 10:09 PM
Mar 2025

are similar in the charlatans at the top calling the shots. I miss the days when the fight schedule had more connection to rankings even though we know the rankings could be manipulated and often were. It seems now that getting fights scheduled between fighters ranked close together or trying to come up the ladder is something that seems to take a couple of years. I am glad that boxers aren't on a grind like it was and their health is being given more priority. But when the Number 4 guy takes 2 years to fight the number 7 guy it doesn't build the anticipation the way it used to.

But then again I'm very old school about a great many things and I come from the era when it was called "going to the fights" and maybe I've always been partial to fighters who can also box more than boxers who can't fight. I am a big supporter of amateur boxing and Golden Gloves, Chicago Park District etc. I'm a guy that likes to watch the development, the training etc. of both amateur and pro but a lot of people just want to watch the title fights in the pro ranks.

H2O Man

(78,911 posts)
23. I remember the first
Sun Mar 9, 2025, 02:03 PM
Mar 2025

time my son watched film of Patterson in the amateurs. I think that a lot of people are only familiar with his career after he first won the heavyweight title. There was a heck of a lot more to his boxing career than that.

Watching amateurs is important. I remember sitting in the locker room at the Golden Gloves 50+ years ago. Cus D'Amato was there, with Cyclone Hart. Eugene asked him if he wanted to go upstairs to watch the fights? Cus said no, that he could see everything he needed to from where he was. That always stuck with me.

There are some guys that stand out. I have a picture from way back, of ayoung amateur then known as Eddie Gregory. Everyone knew that he was going to be a force in the pro ranks.

moniss

(8,909 posts)
24. At one time I was checking into being
Sun Mar 9, 2025, 07:17 PM
Mar 2025

a judge or referee. My need to dedicate to my business held me back. I really appreciated the idea of good judging and especially the role of a good referee. I remember watching the Golden Gloves matches at the local level and how important it was for the good refs to pay close attention to not letting a fighter at that young age take too many shots.

I particularly remember being ringside when one young man who seemed very new and clearly outmatched took a hard punch to the face. He dropped his hands to his side but stayed on his feet but not moving and the ref instantly jumped in and stopped the fight. The young man was out on his feet but hadn't fallen. No need for letting another punch take place.

H2O Man

(78,911 posts)
25. Very good.
Sun Mar 9, 2025, 07:30 PM
Mar 2025

Long ago, between fighting then training amateur and pro fighters, I served as a judge. It was AAU back then, not today's USA. My brother served as a referee a couple of times.

In between winning his first and second Golden Gloves titles, I once stopped a fight where I didn't like the way my son's legs responded to two punches. My cousin helping with corner work was furious and swearing at me. My son insisted he was fine, and that I was wrong to stop it. I later learned my boy was ahead on the cards. But that didn't matter to me. I'll note that 45 minutes after the fight, my son wasn't sure how it had ended.

My brothers and my friend Frank Barry died after getting knocked out in an amateur bout in Syracuse ..... I think it was in 1973, but am not positive without checking. On the ride home, I remember thinking, "Poor Frank." But being as ignorant as any young fighter, I never took note of my brother and I having fought in that same ring. But by the time I stopped fighting and trained fighters, I understood the very real risks. No "win" is worth serious damage.

Saoirse9

(3,943 posts)
13. I don't know why I need reminders
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 05:35 PM
Mar 2025

To get out in the sunshine and enjoy nature. But I do!

So thank you for the reminder.

I am trying not to pay attention to every atrocity from trump camp but I do sometimes get obsessed all over again when I see a particularly egregious headline.

Gonna be a long 4 years so practicing self care from the beginning is a good idea.

H2O Man

(78,911 posts)
19. Right.
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 07:08 PM
Mar 2025

We all need reminders, I suspect.

Last night, rather than watch "true crime" to relax before bed, I watched a lot of music on youtube. I am confident that you know that involved lots of Beatles film. And, of course, some later Lennon music. That beats the heck out of watching the news, especially from domestic sources. I had watched a bit of news from European sources earlier in the day, but had to stop because they were primarily focused on what a dangerous shithead the felon is.

wordstroken

(1,406 posts)
14. Thank you so much for your inspiration, H2O Man. I will definitely check it out.
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 06:04 PM
Mar 2025

With the country’s current mental turmoil — especially here in red, red southwest Florida — the saving grace is my rural acreage home I bought 24 years ago. Surrounded by a bazillion trees, I can power walk my daily goal of 5 - 6 miles while watching my pups romp and play, all without leaving my backyard. When the news starts closing in, I head outside, talk to the trees, breathe in lungs full of fresh air, walk to my favorite roller skating organ music, and the world is right again.
At least for a while.

Again, thanks for your excellent communications.

H2O Man

(78,911 posts)
20. Thank you!
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 07:12 PM
Mar 2025

I'm fortunate that my property has woods, fields, a swamp, and a pond. I've only been out to the pond once this year, in early January. But I'll soon be spending much more time out there. My sons build a large fire pit there, and bring out lads of firewood for me. They also put a one-room cabin out there.

H2O Man

(78,911 posts)
21. Very good!
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 07:22 PM
Mar 2025

Thank you for this! I appreciate it.

There was an LA Times study done a few years back. In 2008, 45% of kids ages 6 to 12 participated in at least one sport. By 2018, it had dropped to 38%. Next month, I'll be speaking about this general topic to an audience in a town in the next county over. I do think cell phones play a role ..... a while back, I went to pick up my younger daughter at her college. There were more than a dozen students in a lobby there, all busy pecking away on their cell phones.

More, the kids I grew up with in a very rural area all got together for baseball, football, boxing, etc. When I talk to them these days, they all say their children and grandchildren spend most of their spare time on the computer or a cell phone. I think that, along with the unhealthy American diet, play a significant role in the rise of disease and depression the younger generations are experiencing.

Bayard

(29,211 posts)
27. Thanks for the link
Mon Mar 10, 2025, 12:06 AM
Mar 2025

I will read it tomorrow. And I agree--Nature is one of our few refuges these days.

Easterncedar

(5,971 posts)
29. Absolutely how I take care of myself
Mon Mar 10, 2025, 09:21 AM
Mar 2025

I had a lovely walk with an older new friend recently on a visit to Maryland. She showed me her favorite old trees and we did some hugging of them. There were bluebirds, too, and we agreed this was the tonic we both needed.

H2O Man

(78,911 posts)
30. It is so important
Mon Mar 10, 2025, 11:56 AM
Mar 2025

to do!

I just got in from taking the dog for a walk. Most of the snow and ice has melted, and we are supposed to get some warm, sunny weather this week. While I was writing the OP, I had taken her out, slipped and fell on the ice, and have been a one-armed man since ..... but not the one that Dr. Kimble was searching four. So I'm slower when in comes to chores -- such as folding laundry, which is easier when I can use two arms & hands -- but I am in a good mood!

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