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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTesla stock down nearly 10% today. Looks like Elon better sic his cost saving hackers on that little problem.
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Aviation Pro
(15,152 posts)Value, what's this value you speak of?
Blues Heron
(8,159 posts)These guys hate losing money!
Walleye
(43,516 posts)winstars
(4,275 posts)MLAA
(19,640 posts)Forget that little thing you heard about Dunning-Kruger, its fake news!
ProfessorGAC
(75,535 posts)...it's still up over 34% on the last 365 days, so there won't be a stockholder revolt just yet.
There should be, but there won't be.
It's down 41% over 6 months though, so some investors are taking a beating.
Yavin4
(37,182 posts)I have no idea of what it could be.
ProfessorGAC
(75,535 posts)The big holders got it early so their profits are still enormous. Just not as enormous.
And while the stock is inflated like a tech stock, they can't sell appreciable amounts without causing a downward spiral.
I think they're basically stuck with a mountain of paper profit, but as long as they still have 15-18x what they put in (the IPO price was $17) over 14 years, they're still happy with the 22.5%/year growth.
I don't think they have special knowledge, just luck.
edhopper
(36,944 posts)it was in the $20 to $40 range until 2020, when the promise of self driving cars drove the price over $300.
It's Market Cap is still 4X that of Toyota, the worlds biggest car maker.
A more realistic price is down another 75%.
ProfessorGAC
(75,535 posts)Based on revenues, assets & earnings I think it should be much lower than Toyota. Closer to GM, I would think, which is around $48 per share.
edhopper
(36,944 posts)It's the PE Ratio. The other auto makers have a PE of 6 to 10.
Tesla's PE is 80. When it is down to 10, the stock will be priced right. That is a 75% to 80% drop.
Share price is also due to total number of shares, which differ from company to company, that is why PE and Market Cap matter.
ProfessorGAC
(75,535 posts)10 is too high for a P/E given their revenues & margins.
In addition, their P/E is not 80. It's 112+.
edhopper
(36,944 posts)I was being generous with the PE of 10, as that is the high end of Auto makers.
The PE was something I did a quick search for, so I accept it if yours is more accurate.
Johnny2X2X
(23,641 posts)"I bought this before we knew he was crazy."
The brand is destroyed. Customer satisfaction was very high with Tesla, but people simply won't own them anymore as it makes you a target now.