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Stunning. New video from The Lincoln Project - Hotline (Original Post) highplainsdem Mar 2025 OP
Lincoln Project is on top of their game Wild blueberry Mar 2025 #1
K&R spanone Mar 2025 #2
Vets' suicide isn't just about untreated PTSD, psychological or physical injury. It's about moral injury. ancianita Mar 2025 #3
Thank you for that reference. It applies to many situations where betrayal of trust is present. erronis Mar 2025 #20
I have a friend who's recently been promoted to "captain" of regional chaplains here below Tampa, where she ancianita Mar 2025 #21
Services replaced by AI - That's straight out of THX 1138! Towlie Mar 2025 #4
Powerful ZDU Mar 2025 #5
That, plus my airwaves are flooded with political commercials thanking Drumpf UTUSN Mar 2025 #6
What state, and cable, satellite or streaming? I'm curious as to Maru Kitteh Mar 2025 #10
Where I am MLWR Mar 2025 #18
Same NOEM ads as MLWR #18 cites. I'm mostly on YouTube but they're also UTUSN Mar 2025 #23
That is amazingly distressing. Had me in tears for our vets and their families. chowder66 Mar 2025 #7
As a Vet and a human being - MaineNative Mar 2025 #8
Welcome to DU! red dog 1 Mar 2025 #11
K&R red dog 1 Mar 2025 #9
Wow. Just wow.... johnnyplankton Mar 2025 #12
Does that apply to General Donnie's PTSD caused by his horrible bone spur and scratch on his cheek? Ping Tung Mar 2025 #13
too close aboard OldSWODog Mar 2025 #14
So bare with my response angrychair Mar 2025 #15
What use is it viewing it here? Run it on TV programs. Preferably a sport one question everything Mar 2025 #16
Just watching this comes so very close to home Otto_Harper Mar 2025 #17
Wow! Excellent! liberalla Mar 2025 #19
This hits too close to home AwakeAtLast Mar 2025 #22

Wild blueberry

(8,200 posts)
1. Lincoln Project is on top of their game
Mon Mar 10, 2025, 12:14 PM
Mar 2025

This is so powerful I started crying.
Great ad. Hope many in the military, their families, and veterans get to see it.
Thank you.

ancianita

(43,168 posts)
3. Vets' suicide isn't just about untreated PTSD, psychological or physical injury. It's about moral injury.
Mon Mar 10, 2025, 12:41 PM
Mar 2025
Psychiatrist Jonathan Shay and colleagues coined the term moral injury to describe experiences where someone who holds legitimate authority has betrayed what is morally right in a high-stakes situation.[5] The concept of moral injury emphasizes the psychological, social, cultural, and spiritual aspects of trauma.[6]

According to the International Centre for Moral Injury, it "involves a profound sense of broken trust in ourselves, our leaders, governments and institutions to act in just and morally 'good' ways" and the experience of "sustained and enduring negative moral emotions - guilt, shame, contempt and anger - that results from the betrayal, violation or suppression of deeply held or shared moral values."[7]

The US Department of Veterans Affairs uses the term moral injury to describe the experiences of military veterans who have witnessed or perpetrated actions in combat that transgressed their deeply held moral beliefs and expectations.[8]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_injury

erronis

(23,240 posts)
20. Thank you for that reference. It applies to many situations where betrayal of trust is present.
Mon Mar 10, 2025, 03:17 PM
Mar 2025

Last edited Mon Mar 10, 2025, 03:59 PM - Edit history (1)

Marriages.
Parents - Children.
Religion.
Friendships.
Contracts.
Governments - citizens.


I know that the first three can lead to suicide. I fear the last one will be a huge trigger.

Added Religion to my list. Abuse of children/parishioners by the trusted "leaders". In my view every religion is a betrayal of trust from the get-go.

ancianita

(43,168 posts)
21. I have a friend who's recently been promoted to "captain" of regional chaplains here below Tampa, where she
Mon Mar 10, 2025, 04:12 PM
Mar 2025

works with Sarasota Police. Her next class with the chaplains at the Sarasota Police Dept's building is about moral injury. It also applies to situations that police encounter where someone is suffering injury but also shows signs of moral injury.

There are some heart and soul things that therapy and/or group counseling aren't equipped to help with.

from the Wikipedia entry:

... Those who have seen and experienced death, mayhem, destruction, and violence and have had their worldviews shattered – the sanctity of life, safety, love, health, peace, etc. – can also suffer moral injury.[2]
The exposure to violence during war times puts the military and veteran population at a higher risk of developing moral injury. According to statistics collected in 2003, 32 percent of American service members deployed to Iraq and to Afghanistan were responsible for the death of an enemy, 60 percent had witnessed both women and children who were either ill or wounded to whom they were unable to provide aid, and 20 percent reported being responsible for the death of a non-combatant.


Moral injury also exists for doctors and nurses in healthcare environments.

Situations in which moral distress is experienced may be caused by:

Hierarchical imbalances, such as a nurse being unable to challenge a decision made by a senior physician[33]
Legal requirements, such as a necessary treatment being banned[33]
Resource limitations, such as needing to triage patients while knowing that some will die as a result[33]
Moral injury can occur among physicians and other care providers which affect their mental health and well-being. The concept of moral injury in healthcare is the expansion of the discussion around compassion fatigue and burnout.[34]

Physicians in the United States were caught in situations that prevented them from doing what they perceive is the right course of action, i.e. taking care of the patient well. Instead, they were caught in double and triple and quadruple binds between their obligations of electronic health records, their own student loans, the requirements for patient load through the hospital and number of procedures performed.[34] Often, physicians are trained to the gold standard but due to institutional double-binds, cannot actually execute that best-in-class treatment.

Nurses, particularly those who work in intensive-care settings, are highly likely to experience moral injury or burnout.[35][36] The injury stems from the proximity to secondary trauma and the inability provide the optimal level of care.[37]

Moral injury has been studied in medical students working within the National Health Service (NHS).[38] NHS doctors come to psychological harm as a result of not being able to give patients the care that they need in an under-resourced NHS.[39]....

Towlie

(5,561 posts)
4. Services replaced by AI - That's straight out of THX 1138!
Mon Mar 10, 2025, 12:50 PM
Mar 2025
THX 1138 (1971)

THX 1138 (Robert Duvall) seeks help but he gets a canned response that's revealed to come from a tape recorder.

UTUSN

(77,350 posts)
6. That, plus my airwaves are flooded with political commercials thanking Drumpf
Mon Mar 10, 2025, 01:03 PM
Mar 2025

for "securing the border" and other self-propaganda, narrated by the Homeland Security incompetent and other Drumpf appointees. Partisan propaganda paid for by us. And how does that fit with their claims to cut waste (not a question).




Maru Kitteh

(31,452 posts)
10. What state, and cable, satellite or streaming? I'm curious as to
Mon Mar 10, 2025, 02:05 PM
Mar 2025

how different our experiences are out here. Who is running the propaganda ads where you are?

MLWR

(920 posts)
18. Where I am
Mon Mar 10, 2025, 03:03 PM
Mar 2025

in New Mexico these "ads" are on television and most are starring Kristi Noem, Comrade Krasnov's Sec. of Homeland Security.

UTUSN

(77,350 posts)
23. Same NOEM ads as MLWR #18 cites. I'm mostly on YouTube but they're also
Mon Mar 10, 2025, 04:55 PM
Mar 2025

on the Sinclair type affiliate and such.



MaineNative

(83 posts)
8. As a Vet and a human being -
Mon Mar 10, 2025, 02:03 PM
Mar 2025

This shook me to the core. It has to end, and the two nozzles responsible must be held accountable.

OldSWODog

(134 posts)
14. too close aboard
Mon Mar 10, 2025, 02:24 PM
Mar 2025

...spent my enlisted time of ten years as a 91F (army) and 8485 (navy) working inpatient psych and out patient counseling...lots of broken folks back then and we barely knew what PTSD was (much less Moral Injury)...my brothers and sisters deserve so much more than this...I weep. OSD

angrychair

(11,946 posts)
15. So bare with my response
Mon Mar 10, 2025, 02:58 PM
Mar 2025

Because it may seem cold at first but it's not and it goes to the heart of what is happening right now.
I truly, deeply, despise veteran charities. They shouldn't exist.
The fact that they do exist fosters the argument, made by Republicans, that since there are charities and private resources out there for veterans to use, it justifies the cutting of federal resources. (I might add this is that same justification used to cut funding for the poor)

That is bullshit. We made a promise and we are not living up to that promise. One hundred percent of a veteran's needs should be dealt with by the VA. No ifs. No ands. No buts. 100%. Anything else is an insult to the service and sacrifice.

question everything

(51,895 posts)
16. What use is it viewing it here? Run it on TV programs. Preferably a sport one
Mon Mar 10, 2025, 02:59 PM
Mar 2025

If you need to fund it, I will gladly contribute.


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