My blood just ran cold (again). On MSNBC this morning, they showed a clip of Elon Musk saying

[Raven]

that all the money was in Social Security and that Democrats recruit illegals to come to the country and then they put them on Social Security and that's how they get new Democratic voters. Aha! says Elon, this is where the fraud is!

My first thought was that this is going to be the key assault on Social Security and that 30-40% of the people in this country are going to believe it. This is taking the illegal alien boogeyman that got Trump elected and letting it loose on millions of seniors who depend on Social Security to live.

[Norbert]

1. Trump is still the biggest liar in history

But Eloin is closing the gap.

[elocs]

36. Yes, and where did it get him? n/t

[Emile]

2. The fraud is the Republican party.

[Karasu]

75. Damn crime syndicate that should have been dissolved after 1/6. Absolutely no one should have considered it a legitimate

political party after that.

[wcmagumba]

3. Sickening and scary for me as one of those retired with SS as only income people...

[TommieMommy]

7. Me too ☹️ I'm petrified

[rambler_american]

29. If they take away our SS

they will awaken a sleeping giant of old people with nothing to lose. Under those circumstances we can be very dangerous.

[wcmagumba]

30. True, I might have to run over them with my house (which will be my car)....

[elocs]

39. Fortunately for me, I will need to find a job if there is a job to be found.

Just yesterday when I bought groceries, the stores that previously would be posting help-wanted signs as you walked in the door, well, those signs are gone now.

Damn, 50 years ago when I graduated from college I was thinking about emigrating to Australia. I wish I would have now. Yes, hindsight is 20/20.

[SharonAnn]

4. When in fact, they pay into Social Security but will never get it for themselves.

[Qutzupalotl]

46. Thank you. This needs to be shouted.

Came here to say just that.

[Daleuhlmann]

76. I agree--an "inconvenient truth."

This is a little-known truth that MAGA will continue to ignore.

[DBoon]

51. Exactly

They buy bogus social security cards with fake numbers that look good enough for a less than honest employer. Social Security is deducted from their paycheck but the illegal immigrant can never collect since their card is not official.

[liberalgunwilltravel]

5. Elon

Needs to disappear.

[elleng]

58. QUICKLY!!!

[homegirl]

77. Elon should lose

his citizenship and be deported back to South Africa!

[multigraincracker]

6. Hank Musk. Then eat the rich.

I’m serious.

[AllyCat]

8. Yup.

[LymphocyteLover]

10. Hank?

or with a G?

[multigraincracker]

43. Yep. Sorry.

[yorkster]

11. Just tax 'em. We need the money.

Raise the damn cap if and when we come out of this..

[lastlib]

26. Amend Shakespeare:

"The first thing we do, let's kill all the billionaires."

That's a good start.

[Joinfortmill]

9. Musk is a menace to the country & the world.

[LymphocyteLover]

12. It's a truly dumb but incredibly evil lie

This man is evil and deranged beyond belief

[C Moon]

74. And let me guess: there were no rebuttals to his lies.

[LymphocyteLover]

80. I'm sure there were some, but they don't get the same attention, and probably don't show up

on FoxNews/NewsMax/OANN/etc

[surfered]

13. How is this guy in the rocket/satellite business which relies on science,

when he seems to believe every damn fool, fact free conspiracy theory that oozes out of the right wing fever swamp?

[AndyTiedye]

72. Please, Elon, Take a Ride on One of Your Own Rockets!

[BBbats]

14. Now we have to.worry!

A large segment of the USA is going to believe that bullshit.
Although I have other income SS is about 50% of mine & how I pay my rent.
I know people who work (or used to work) for the local SS administration & they're terrified.

[MadameButterfly]

20. But same segment will want their SS checks, or their parents'

so they'll just want it taken from the immigrants. How does Musk make money taking it just from the people who don't exist?

[3Hotdogs]

16. What was the response of the "host?"

[SunSeeker]

49. He nodded in agreement. nt

[Irish_Dem]

17. Musk is convincing Americans SS is evil, wrong, bad.

As an excuse to destroy it.

The MAGAs will probably believe it.

[hadEnuf]

28. Screw the MAGAs. They are mentally ill psychopaths who want to sacrifice themselves to their Fuhrer.

They do not represent the country. Mandate my ass.

We need some damn leadership that will take this dangerous insanity head on, not ping-pong paddles and pink clothing.

Sorry, but it needs to be said. We are at frigging war.

[slightlv]

67. I absolutely agree we're at war. It may be a cold war at the moment,

but it could heat up to boiling at any given moment. All it needs is that -one- catalyzing event for the shit to hit the fan. I kept thinking when they were throwing all the civil service employees out of work that that would be the catalyzing event. But no, it keeps happening and is slipping so far back in the news that no one *seems* to care anymore.

I've got news for trump. He is NOT my president. He doesn't want anything to do with me because I'm a good democrat, and I don't agree with his way of (criminally) doing business. And I'll never agree with him. There is no way this is going to turn out good for anybody. Just ask someone who knew someone in business during the 1930's and '40's. People throwing themselves out of windows because they went broke. We went from the Roaring 20's to the Gilded Age to Isolationism, Protectionism, and Tariffs... which gave us the Great Depression. Only when we could get Hoover out of office could any headway begin to be made.

trump is emulating the 1930s to a tee. I only hope this time, it's his butt falling out of one of the top stories of his hotel becauses he's lost so much money due to his tariffs (or, please Universe! gone broke).

[Walleye]

79. And we should never, ever, side with Russia on anything

[slightlv]

81. In general, I agree with your statement. They have always had a primary mission

pf trashing and the destruction of the United States. I had hopes in the beginning with Boris Yeltsin, but even he couldn't out-putin the putin FSB. Plus, he was a drinker whom I think drowned a lot of his regrets. I wonder if, after all these many, many decades if the Russian people are so far into the putin mindset that they can't see the advantages of capitalism - as well as seeing it's faults. I'm so far against free market capitalism, as to almost be totally against it as an economic model. But regulated capitalism, I support. I don't know if the Russian people could get their head around the model after all this time. And freedom? What does freedom feel like to people who have never really been free? I guess we, here in the States, are about to find out. Although I figure our freedoms will be earned back long after I'm in the grave.

[Walleye]

82. Sad but true on all of that

[Emile]

18. Look for a National Social Security Advantage 401k plan

to give people an option. This option will underfund the traditional Social Security and eventually (rather quickly) kill Social Security as we know it.

[betsuni]

19. Story used to be that Democrats showered minorities with free stuff and benefits in exchange for votes.

Now it's recruiting immigrants!

A non-right-wing similar attack, that minority voters vote for Democrats because they have Stockholm syndrome. A horribly offensive sick 2016 DU post saying that is still up. The "identity politics" attack.

[Americanme]

21. If non-citizens are voting and drawing social security checks

why has it not gone to court? Where is the proof? If this claim was true, the radical right could not resist using it non-stop. Elon is lying, and getting away with it.

[MadameButterfly]

23. You would think it wouldn't be hard to win this debate

but in a fact free media environment...How do you reach people stupid enough to believe this stuff?

[MadameButterfly]

22. This claim makes no sense

"putting them on social security" should mean they pay in. Which many of them do.
Is he convincing people the immigrants come in and start receiving SS while young, working, and healthy, which nobody does?
Is he saying we are recruiting old immigrants to come in and take SS after never paying in?
Do people really think you can receive a SS check without paying in, wherever you come from?

The only difference between illegal immigrants and us is they never reap the benefits of what they pay in. We are robbing them, not the other way around. I know this piece is too subtle to MAGAs, but the rest is just so blatantly obvious, I don't know how any of the people who fall for it graduated from 3rd grade.

[kkmarie]

41. You need a social security number. H1B visa pay into it

You must meet the criteria for obtaining one. And illegal immigrant is not included in the criteria. However the Space nazis H1B visa workers get numbers and pay into social security which means Space Nazi companies pay into it for those H1B visa workers. Space nazi most likely doesn't like paying into these programs.

[MadameButterfly]

42. So is that the whole reason why they've been trying to crash SS all these years?

They don't like paying in their share so they want to destroy it for everybody?
They can't see that providing a retirement for their workers is a benefit that attracts workers along with pay, medical, etc?

I was mystified that there was such a passionate hate for this program by anybody. Now I know. Not impressed by the reason.

[Lifeafter70]

61. Yes and those non citizens who qualify and

Pay into ss do collect benifits..They are not illegal. There are many factors that qualify non citizens for benefits.
All musks sees is they are not citizens. He disregards the facts that qualifies them the right to collect benifits

[MadameButterfly]

63. I've read often that there are immigrants who pay in but don't draw benefits

This might be from temporary workers who just don't put in enough years to qualify. There is a minimum amount of years for everybody before you qualify for benefits

[Lifeafter70]

64. You could be right.

Years ago when I worked in the restaurant industry, we had a few without green cards.
They did have social security cards not sure if they were real or not. They would claim the max to avoid a lot of taxes deducted from their checks. Since they couldn't legally file a return. Every few years they would supply a new ss card. My employer knew and didn't care (cheap labor). The workers were just trying to feed their families.
That being said they still had dedications for ss that they would never be able to collect.

[dlk]

24. Republicans have bern salivating over the Social Security trust fund for decades

The pillaging is just getting ramped up.

That’s the thing about people with no conscience; they can do anything.

[Puppyjive]

25. Big lie

Illegals can't get social security cards. They have to provide proof that they are here legally. Foreigners do not qualify for SSI and those that are here legally can get a card so they can work. They must contribute and be vested to draw anything out of social security. Musk is lying so bad.

[live love laugh]

27. The voting habits of immigrants was always the reason for Republicans attacking them.

[MadameButterfly]

73. and the voting habits of some men

though they also are learning that they can dupe immigrants as easily as they can dupe white men as shown by hispanic male voting statistics in the last election.

[IronLionZion]

31. Corruption everywhere except with SpaceX and Starlink contracts apparently.

Those are clean as a whistle.

Musk's DOGE found efficiencies by eliminating the Pentagon's office of reducing civilian deaths. No fraud, waste, or abuse with their multi-billion dollar weapons contracts of course.

[OneGrassRoot]

32. My brain can't process something here...

We know they are gutting and pilgering these agencies but they’re telling MAGA we’re finding all this fraud and waste.

Wouldn’t that lead MAGA to believe that they’re making things more solvent and providing more $$ to the taxpayer?

What a rude awakening they shall have.

[Mysterian]

33. Well, that's an easily disproven lie

If that's all he's got, he's got nuthin.

[Historic NY]

34. Douche bag Musk doesn't know what SS or SSI

are. Doesn't seem to know that employers who pay them wage have to contribute to SS also. Doesn't seem to know most illegals will never see a dime of SS

[elocs]

35. My morning dose of good news on DU to start my day. I never read anything here

these days that gives me any hope. None.
But, but, but...the midterms! It's delusional and naive to believe that we will have free and fair, not rigged midterm elections. When Trump and Musk both know that Republicans would get their asses kicked.
As Democrats, we are reaping the consequences of too many of us being complacent, cocky, and overconfident. After all, who other than the nut-job Magas would ever vote for Trump? Well, we found out, didn't we?

And then there was Trump whining and crying for 4 years about a stolen election while all that time he and Musk and the magas were planning how to steal the '24 election. That's why at the end of the campaign that Trump said things and acted like he didn't care if he won because he knew the fix in all the swing states was in. What were the odds that he would win every single one of the swing states?

Whatever happened to the 6 million votes that Biden received in '20 against Trump that Harris never got in 24?

[AllaN01Bear]

37. i have heard this bs all my adult life .

[mymomwasright]

38. Someone (who?) needs to make factually him proove his goofball claims!

-Name the persons with ballot proof they voted illegally and prove they exist.

-Name the dead persons and financial proof that money was deposited in their accounts with each circumstance.

[uponit7771]

40. DoD has failed 7 audits in a row, little to no smoke for them

[DENVERPOPS]

44. Trump, Musk, and Putin

are the equivalent of putting a bunch of monkeys in a closed room with a basket of hand grenades........

[ReRe]

45. Nah, they won't buy it

Most Seniors still have a working brain, you know.

[senseandsensibility]

47. This is a scary one, and of course

I blame the press for not leading with this LIE. That is the story. He's lying. In addition, the Dems need to be out in front calling this a LIE.

[wishstar]

48. Truth is employers bring in workers and help them get work papers and SS numbers

so their workers from Mexico can work here legally where they pay into the SS system and can often get driver's licenses to be able to work. Many of these employers are Republicans. At one time this country offered pathway to citizenship or at least legal residency so some of these workers eventually have been eligible to draw their earned SS benefits. Many of them who have become citizens voted Republican. Many others have paid into the SS trust fund but never get a penny back if not here long enough or deported or decided to go back.

[Initech]

50. Can we please send Elon on a one way trip to Mars already?

[Meowmee]

52. More outrageous LIES from eloon

[Diraven]

53. Telegraphing their next move

When people stop getting their Social Security checks because they fired half the employees and hacked the computers they're totally going to say the payments aren't making it to seniors because all their money is being stolen by illegal immigrants.

[totodeinhere]

54. Musk is so full of shit.

To qualify for SS you have to work and have payroll deductions for approximately 10 years.

[CousinIT]

55. Good luck getting Democrats to debunk any of it though the facts are readily available.

These are from articles I've seen just today detailing the FACTS about Social Security. And I'm sorry but Democrats are not hitting on this hard enough. It's like pulling teeth to get them to even talk about it.









And there is always THIS: https://www.ncpssm.org/documents/2024-opeds-and-letters/7-myths-that-undermine-social-security/

[dchill]

56. Somehow, I think Elon believes that.

Ketamine dreams.

[CousinIT]

57. I have yet to apply (retirement in 1-4 years or so) and I'm SCARED SHITLESS that it won't even BE there when I do. nt

[OldBaldy1701E]

78. Oh, it won't be.

I am pretty sure that 45 years of paying into that fund was a nice thing for those who got to use it, but I will never see a penny of it. I will be allowed to starve in the street and slowly die in the gutter because the rich are too busy taking advantage of the next generation with this corrupted societal model.

[VMA131Marine]

59. Who is running the country? Musk or Trump?

Because it sounds like Musk is!

[markodochartaigh]

60. One good talking point for young people

who aren't concerned about the destruction of Social Security is to let them know that many states have filial responsibility laws. They soon may be forced to take in Mom and Dad.

[KS Toronado]

62. Any MAGAt that would believe that shit needs to be asked

"Well if it's that easy to do, why haven't you done it?" "Afraid you'll find out that it's impossible
to do the way Muskrat describes it?"

[kimbutgar]

65. Mr lack of empathy doesn't realize that by destroying social security and Medicare a lot of people even

MAGAs are going to be affected and it will affect his bottom line also.

Sorry can’t buy that Tesla because I have to help out my family members financially now who lost their social security and Medicare.

[Cirsium]

66. Musk knows he is lying

He had a little smirk on his face while he claimed that Democrats were bringing illegal aliens into the country and putting them on Social Security.

[SuperCGB]

68. Guess even MAGAs didn't believe the story about 150 yr olds getting Social Swcurity!

I have heard that the goal is to take Social Security payments so that we seniors can’t pay our mortgages. Then the billionaires and hedge funds can just buy our houses very cheaply.

[Blue Owl]

69. Musk is an outright lying piece of shit

Fuck this guy and the orange asshole he rode in on

[Daleuhlmann]

71. This Nazi Liar Will Say and Do ANYTHING to Divide This Country and Screw Fixed-Income Americans!

If this lie gains traction, then retired Americans like my broher and sister can say goodbye to their hard-earned retirement and social security. What an evil man this is!