So he ups the tariffs of steel and aluminum from Canada to 50%

[malaise]

from tomorrow and down go the markets again.

This Slobfather convict doesn’t have an effin clue what he’s doing.

[Walleye]

1. Destruction is what he is doing and that's why he's there

[SheltieLover]

20. Absolutely!

Fucking ruskie asset kraznov.

[Attilatheblond]

27. Punishing all for not keeping him in 2020

Retribution is his primary drive. It's a DNA thing, nurtured by horrible parenting and too many yes men along his path.

[Walleye]

79. He really does hate Americans, it's obvious

[NotHardly]

34. It's intentional. He's a vengeful angry little man.

[Justice matters.]

40. Yep. Putler's wet dream coming true.

More and more each day that passes by.

[mwmisses4289]

2. For whatever reason

it's got into its head that countries pay for tariffs, not businesses and consumers. That's money that it wants in its pockets. With it, it is always about the money, doesn't care how it gets it.

[Think. Again.]

7. That's not true...

...he knows tariffs raise prices for the buyer, he also knows how to successfully lie his ass off.

[mwmisses4289]

16. That is also true, but it is in an effort to

get more money in its pockets, no matter what it has to do to get it there.

[Think. Again.]

17. I agree, but let's not pretend he isn't doing all this intentionally.

[SheltieLover]

22. His actions are very much intentional to the detriment of the US to please pootin and empower China

[BComplex]

50. Tariffs are TAXES. This is how he plans to pay for some of the tax cuts for billionaires

without making the deficit a whole lot worse.

Who says republicans are great on lowering "taxes". They always find a way to either increase fines, licenses, or fees to make up for "taxes". In fact, health insurance payments to for profit health insurance companies are, in my mind, TAXES, that would better be paid to medicare so every American could have health insurance.

Tens of millions of republicans vote for "lower taxes" republicans, but they never "look over there!" to where they are paying double for something else.

[Wifes husband]

76. I agree

This is all about tax cuts. They will use the lie about the tariffs to effectively increase taxes on consumers. This will fund the tax cuts.
I believe they will get away with this for about a year.

Theft, pure and simple

[SheltieLover]

21. Surely he knows the consumer pays

We end up paying for ALL their fuck ups.

[Attilatheblond]

25. But, he's not the 'consumer' so he doesn't care. Figures everyone is an idiot and he has them all mesmerized.

Evidently staff hasn't let him catch any glimpse of those Sanders rallies.

[SheltieLover]

26. Right, he doesn't care. But he knows.

[Attilatheblond]

29. G' morning, Dear SheltieLover!

Wish we could meet up for coffee, or lunch sometime.

[SheltieLover]

43. That would be fun!

Where are you? Memphis region here atm.

[Attilatheblond]

48. Alas, AZ borderlands here

But if you ever get down this way, I know places to get good Mexican food, and a small old city that has the most interesting festivals where old hippies and young rabble rousers abound.

[SheltieLover]

49. Sounds like a good time!

Not much chance I'll be traveling, but will let you know.

I wouldn't suggest anyone travel to this red hellhole.

[Norrrm]

69. Who gets the money from tariffs?

Who gets the money from tariffs?

A tariff is a tax, usually paid by the customer.
Sometimes by the selling country but not often.
It is not called a tax, but my wallet does not know the difference.

https://tinyurl.com/25cw2c5b

A quick primer on tariffs: They’re a tax on imported goods — clothes, shoes, toys, car parts, appliances, you name it. But the extra money does not come from the foreign companies that produce those goods. The American company doing the importing pays the money to the US Treasury.
(That means the gov't.--- the administration.)
They don't seem to mention that they are collecting more taxes.

[Emile]

3. The Great Trump Economic Expansion is shrinking

[Baitball Blogger]

4. He did this today?

[C_U_L8R]

5. And the stock market tanks, again.

He needs to resign or there will be no stocks left to trade.

[TheBlackAdder]

37. Thanks Obama!

[roscoeroscoe]

66. I wish those were still funny

Such innocent times, back then

[brush]

6. Correct. We might end up with darkened homes if Canada cuts energy exports to norhtern US states...

depending on Canadian energy exports. Dumb trump still doesn't get how tariffs work...and that Canada has the cards o this.

trump loves to say that to Ukrainian Pres. Zelenskyy. Now he doesn't have the cards.

[Dave says]

35. He's planning to invade Canada anyway

According to Malcom Nance*, he’s really preparing to invade Canada and Greenland. Shutting off electricity to the northern states is just the sort of thing he can use as the excuse to invade.

Just f’king crazy as hell!


* Nance had a podcast where he said this. It’s a few days old now but can be googled up.

[brush]

39. Hmmm? The US against Canada, Greenland and NATO. Should be interesting.

trump is an insane nut ball...like independent, sovereign nations will just roll over and not fight back.

[Dave says]

51. Yeah, right? Mad Caligula.

Hopefully some sane people in the military talk him out of it.

[brush]

62. I wish but he and Hedseth fired the top brass in the military...DEI of course...

since the Joint Chiefs chair was a Black four star general and a woman sec'y of the Navy.

Hedseth. Still can't believe that a part-time FOX weekend anchor, drunk and rapist who was a low-level Major who never commande more than a 150 man platoon is now head of the Defense Dept's 3 million employees...and making decisions on America's national security.

[unc70]

70. 3 million employees, not 300 million

[brush]

72. Right, thanks for the correx on that typo. Will edit.

[NEOH]

8. I remember Mary Trump saying...

I remember Mary Trump saying to the effect that he’s going to try and take us all down with him.

[sop]

9. Everything is personal for this imbecile, retribution is his only response: "I hit them back 10 times as hard."

“Fight back. Much as it pays to emphasize the positive, there are times when the only choice is confrontation. In most cases I’m very easy to get along with. I’m very good to people who are good to me. But when people treat me badly or unfairly or try to take advantage of me, my general attitude, all my life, has been to fight back very hard. The risk is that you’ll make a bad situation worse, and I certainly don’t recommend this approach to everyone. But my experience is that if you’re fighting for something you believe in, even if it means alienating some people along the way, things usually work out for the best in the end.” (Trump: The Art of the Deal)

[calimary]

33. A most informative quote.

Hey donald, your way of doing things is alienating most of the rest of the world - against you, but unfortunately, against the rest of us, too.

[Think. Again.]

10. Aaaaaaaannnnd....

....there goes the U.S. construction and manufacturing industries.

[Omnipresent]

11. All of this could end if melania would just crush up a bunch of sleeping pills into his diet coke.

C’mon mel, You get rid of him, we get rid of him!
This can be our shared goal!

[Wounded Bear]

15. She won't. Might chip a nail opening the pop top...nt

[GoodRaisin]

12. Next will be Canada defying Krasnov shutting off electricity to northern states.

Will it reach the point that Krasnov just shuts down trade with Canada altogether?

[Bad Thoughts]

13. Don't think it's a mistake

Trump thinks like Putin (who thinks like Stalin): pain, conflict and strife are requirements for progress.

[madville]

14. It's all a game

When they eventually cancel the tariffs the markets shoot back up maybe higher than before. Sell high, make the market go down, buy low, get a 20-30% gain when it goes back up. That’s how all these huge funds and billionaires manipulate it, with some political help of course.

[Think. Again.]

18. No, the damage he is doing...

...to specific industries (like construction and manufacturing with these new tariffs) will takes years for those industries to recover from. It isn't just day traders in the market, some investors work from a company's or an industry's actual numbers.

[madville]

24. We'll see

I’d wager that in 6-9 months when this tariff battle is just a memory that the markets will be back at or near a record high. Even with the most recent decline the markets are still up 7% over the last 12 months.

[Think. Again.]

32. I guess that's good for strictly index traders.

[madville]

58. Good for many folks with a 401k

When the market dips you get more shares for the same contribution, if I was still contributing to mine I’d bump it up 5-10% of my check during this downturn, it has always come back higher.

Of course once one gets closer to retirement age or retires they should have transitioned to lower risk investment vehicles and not have to worry about the volatility so much.

[peggysue2]

19. Agent Orange is fulfilling a personal vendetta

Canada has said NO to him. something he finds absolutely objectionable. So now, he wants to jump up and down, bellow and put evermore higher tariffs in place.

Money and vindictiveness are the only things that matter to the man.

My money is on Canada. Elbows Up!

[Attilatheblond]

23. Cannot get it thru his FAT HEAD that not everyone will cower and obey

Ah, the saddness of old bullies who keep meeting brave people.

[GoodRaisin]

54. Pretty soon the catsup will start to fly as Canada keeps resisting Krasnov

and cuts off the Northern states heat. Northern DUers better have your overcoats on and firewood ready to burn. Krasnov will not care if you are cold, he’ll be toasty warm and eating comfort food.

[Attilatheblond]

55. Catsup, too, will run out. With no one to pick tomatoes, no catsup hitting walls.

It'll be all shit hitting all walls all the time.

[ShazzieB]

65. This article has an interactive map showing which states get electricity from Canada.

If you don't know if your state relies on Canada for electricity, you can find out here: https://www.newsweek.com/states-impacted-canada-cuts-electricity-exports-tariffs-map-2039498

[gab13by13]

28. Right now the DOW is down over 400 points, 1%

[Bernardo de La Paz]

82. Dow is 30 stocks. It is a relic, not really representative. . . . nt

[Demsrule86]

30. There goes Ford and GM...might as well padlock the door.s

You know Ohio especially the Cleveland are had made a real comeback GM Parma was saved by Biden...as were two Ford plants - one already closed. But no Trump has to destroy our last real manufacturing...Get him out...25th or show some spine and impeach him...he needs to go and soon.

[bif]

31. So his plan is to completely fuck up the economy?

No one does it better!

[et tu]

36. he has all the cards!

and the deck is marked-

[malaise]

47. He has two cards

Joker Muskrat and joker Slobfather Donvict - the draft dodging tough guys.

[et tu]

81. wild crazy cards! nt

[sakabatou]

38. It's going to be an even worse nightmare...

[Javaman]

41. He hates it when people stand up to his bullshit

He always crumbles when they do.

Now it’s more of, “fuck you, I’ll do what I want, you can’t force me to do anything”

No one is forcing him do a thing, the idiot did this to himself.

But he’s the whining kid on the playground that brought the ball and is pissed because there are better players there than him, so he’s taking his ball home, but then he realizes, they have a ball as well, so rather than leave, he tries to piss on the other ball so no one will play with it

[malaise]

44. Typical effin bully

and draft dodger - an effin cartoon character/reality TV show star. A sociopathic narcissistic convicted felon. All his greatness is in his own twisted brain.

[gab13by13]

42. DOW right now is down over 500 points, 1.3%

[Bernardo de La Paz]

83. Dow is 30 stocks. It is a relic, not really representative. . . . nt

[c-rational]

45. Actuallly malaise, I believe he knows exactly what he is doing and that is tanking our economy.

Tariffs for US is like Brexit for Britain. I do believe puti is influencing him.

[IronLionZion]

46. He's lowering prices through efficiency

any MAGAt who still believes MAGA is good for the economy or business is a complete idiot. Tax cuts will never make up for what these idiotic policies are costing us. And they will never trickle down to anyone.

[gab13by13]

59. So we are going to get deflation instead of recession?

[IronLionZion]

67. Or both, they go hand in hand. Lower demand can lower prices.

but tariffs can cause recession and inflation by killing jobs and raising prices to pay the tariffs.

[ananda]

52. This is all reptile brain and totally reactionary.

Not only does he not have a clue, he doesn't
fucking care as long as he has power to react.

[flashman13]

53. If he wanted to tank the economy, what would he do differently?

The plan is to impoverish several 100 million people. In their desperation they will be willing to do all of the shit work, for far less than the aliens he is going to deport. Hungry people will do just about anything to stay alive.

[Sibelius Fan]

56. Wreck the economy, businesses close, billionaires rush in to buy failed businesses at

fire-sale prices, economy eventually recovers, top 1% now account for top 2%.

[bigtree]

57. nutty. Canada's going after our electricity next (critical btw in production of aluminum)

Canada is the top source of U.S. steel imports, followed by Brazil, Mexico, South Korea, and Vietnam.

The United States imported nearly 6 million metric tons of steel from Canada in 2024, roughly 23% of its total steel imports that year. Brazil accounted for 4 million metric tons, or about 16% of all imports. Mexico exported just over 3 million metric tons of steel to the U.S., about 12% of U.S. steel imports.

Steel imports from Canada have hovered between 5 million and 6 million metric tons for over a decade, while imports from Mexico have stayed between around 2.5 million and 4.5 million metric tons.

Canada 5.95
Brazil 4.08
Mexico 3.19


Canada is the top source of U.S. aluminum imports, followed by the UAE, China, Russia, and Bahrain.

The U.S. imported just over 3 million metric tons of aluminum from Canada in 2024, roughly 58% of total U.S. aluminum imports that year. Since 2010, Canadian aluminum has accounted for between 40% and 60%, roughly, of U.S. aluminum imports.

The UAE is a distant second, supplying 350,000 metric tons of aluminum to the United States, around 9% of U.S. imports.

The United States produced 670,000 metric tons of primary aluminum in 2024, down from 1 million metric tons in 2020 and 1.1 million metric tons in 2019. China is the world’s largest producer of aluminum by far. China pumped out 43 million metric tons of aluminum in 2024. India was a distant second, producing 4.2 million metric tons of aluminum that year.

Just two companies -- Alcoa (NYSE:AA) and Century Aluminum (NASDAQ:CENX) -- are currently producing primary aluminum in the United States across four smelters.

https://www.fool.com/research/steel-and-aluminum-tariffs-imports/?msockid=254b8d44e20567991f9a98d0e3ed665f

[William769]

60. He knows what he's doing.

He's destroying America to appease putin.

[Moostache]

61. IF he ever tries to invade Canada, I am volunteering for the Canadian side on day 1

ANY United States service member that obeys an illegal order to invade a peaceful, neighboring ally on the orders of a depraved madman is no longer a countryman and immediately an enemy of mine, period. War crimes will be committed and illegal orders given, the choice to obey or stand on oaths will be presented,

We (the side of right and justice) may lose early battles; and I may die in the fight as a consequence; but I will take death with honor over servile obedience to a homicidal lunatic any day. This has escalated to the point where one must decide where their loyalty and allegiance truly lies - to principles or to symbols, to justice or to tyranny, to cooperation or to coercion.

History will eventually celebrate the defeat of Donald Trump and the implosion of the first American Republic. In the aftermath and rebuilding era, please remember to get the Second Constitution correct and build iron-clad walls between the co-equal branches of the republic.

[LS0999]

77. This is when blue states should secede and join up with NATO

If maggots still want to invade the NATO should Invade the red states and destroy that MAGA/NAZI ideology once and for all. Nazism was stopped before and it can be stopped again.

[redstatebluegirl]

63. Yes he does. He is trying to crash the market for his handler Putin.

[Fil1957]

64. I guess he never heard the sage advice,

"when your in a hole, stop digging"

[gab13by13]

68. DOW is down over 600 points, 1.5%, right now.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

84. Dow is 30 stocks. It is a relic, not really representative. . . . nt

[surfered]

71. Someone on DU raised a good point: if Trump thinks foreign governments pay the tariff,

when does Trump’s government start paying the tariffs imposed by Canada, Mexico, and China? Does the Republican continuing resolution include that expense?

[Tootbsb]

73. The russian asset is doing as he is told. /end

[moonshinegnomie]

74. Congress could stop this if they had a backbone

Pass a veto proof law requiring Congress to affirm and tarriffs within 30 days or else they are repealed. Pass it with veto proof majority

(But we know they don’t have a backbone

[malaise]

78. They could impeach him and make it stick

That is all

[gab13by13]

75. DOW right now down over 700 points, 1.75%

[Bernardo de La Paz]

85. Dow is 30 stocks. It is a relic, not really representative. . . . nt

[CousinIT]

80. Oh I think he knows exactly what he's doing: alienating our closest allies/trading partners to enrich the billionaires..

....and if it crashes the economy, so be it.

Because the billionaires will get a lot richer, regardless.

The rest of us, with no jobs, decimated 401Ks and cut or canceled Social Security & Medicare will be fucked. But they don't give a rat's ass about us.