I was excited about Kamala, but..

[edhopper]

for Christ's Sake! People not voting because they weren't excited? Give me a fucking break! You are picking someone to run the country, think with your fucking head. This isn't deciding if you want to see the next Super Hero movie, it's deciding the fate of the country. You weren't excited about her? Enjoy the down fall of America because you needed to be excited.

[JohnSJ]

1. anyone who didn't vote or voted third party was a vote for trump. I don't care what lame excuse they use, that is the

reality.

[groundloop]

4. I hear ya'.... my dumb fuck sister-in-law voted third party......

"because both major parties are just the same".

I've avoided speaking to her since the election because I know I'll totally lose it.

And besides that, how could someone not be excited for Kamala after the way she destroyed tRump in the debate. She totally exposed him for the blubbering fool that he is.

[JohnSJ]

10. and if you do speak to her probably best to just stick to the weather

[Hekate]

14. Talking about the weather is good

[Orrex]

44. I was savagely attacked on social media by the "she supports genocide" crowd

Curiously, none of their posts--however violent or explicit or harassing or profane--were found to violate community standards.

And that same crowd fell conspicuously silent the moment the election was over. Hmm.

[JohnSJ]

51. VP Harris made clear what she would do if elected

1. Immediate ceasefire
2. Release all hostages
3. Rebuild Gaza and immediate back to the negotiating table for a two state solution.

Trump is doing exactly what he said he would do.

If they didn’t understand that, and still didn’t vote then they are wrapped in their own cult, and we will all pay the price for their foolishness.

[sheshe2]

74. All those protesters...

Miraculously disappeared after trump won. Hm.

[JustAnotherGen]

77. After

Watching what is happening at Barnard, Columbia, and NYU on the local news the past few days (regarding the gentleman arrested by ICE) - I'm not certain we will be seeing protests anywhere much longer.

[Silent Type]

2. +1. The same ignorant voters gave us trump in 2016.

[LisaM]

35. And Bush in 2000. People found Gore boring.

Forget that he would have been one of the best Presidents we ever had (and he would have moved the needle on climate change efforts). Not good enough.

[nowforever]

41. And avoid two wars

Biggest mistake ever.

[LisaM]

49. And avoid 9/11, in my opinion.

Absolutely nuts.

[stage left]

52. Boring Presidents

are my favorites. If the Bushes and the Supremes hadn't stolen the election from Gore what a world this would be.

[soldierant]

60. We'll never be sure that he didn't actually win

and had the Supreme Court take the win away. I saw a bumper sticker in 2004 which read "Re-Elect Al Gore."

[LisaM]

62. Oh, he for sure would have won Florida.

It was because they stopped the counting.

[Meadowoak]

76. Gore did win. The Miami Herald sued and got the right to finish counting the votes, as it turned out Gore won Florida

by 800,000 votes. they finished the vote count in the days before 911. It didn't get much coverage obviously because 911 happened.

[gab13by13]

3. Kamala Harris won the election

[mimitabby]

5. very likely

we're screwed

[Joinfortmill]

37. Yup.

[KS Toronado]

54. Yep, wish we could hurry up & prove it.

Maybe we need to offer like a billion dollars tax free for information on how Muskrat manipulated
the data to show tsf won. Way to many things don't add up properly.

[Polybius]

92. Why is it so hard for you to believe that she lost?

The polls all said tossup.

[Doodley]

6. Where is she?

[live love laugh]

9. Why?

[Doodley]

13. IMHO, she is the among the very best we have.

[Keepthesoulalive]

11. Staying out of it

She can’t help the democrats, she will be a distraction and a lightning rod for the DEI Republican Party.

[leftstreet]

7. Why were Democrats exited about Biden, but not Harris?

Who knows

But it wasn't the independents and conservatives who gave Trump the election. It was the reliably Democratic voters who showed up for Biden but not Harris. Somehow I don't think "excitement" had anything to do with it.

[JohnSJ]

12. Actually independents did contribute. Labor split the vote, Latinos

split the vote, women didn’t come out in the numbers expected, the Joe Rogan fan boys went for trump, and the protesters didn’t vote.

It all added up I believe.

[womanofthehills]

23. According to YouGov poll 19 million who voted for Biden in 2020 didn't vote - main reason given - genocide

"From 2020 to 2024, Democrats saw a staggering dropoff in support at the presidential level, with some 19 million people who voted for Joe Biden staying home (or not mailing in their ballots) in 2024. Now, a new survey conducted by YouGov suggests Biden’s support for Israel’s unrelenting assault on Gaza played a surprisingly large role in the choice of those previous Biden supporters not to vote. (Read the full poll here.)

The top reason those non-voters cited, above the economy at 24 percent and immigration at 11 percent, was Gaza: a full 29 percent cited the ongoing onslaught as the top reason they didn’t cast a vote in 2024.

Looking narrowly at states that swung from Biden in 2020 to Trump in 2024, the number is smaller. But in those states, 20 percent still cited Gaza as the reason they didn’t vote again. The poll was paid for by the Institute for Middle East Understanding Policy Project, which has been an outspoken critic of Israel’s assault on Gaza."


"The survey showed that the issue of Gaza was most salient among white voters, 34 percent of whom said it was the top reason they didn’t vote for Harris, and Hispanic voters (27 percent), while less so with black voters (just 9 percent)."

https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/kamala-harris-gaza-israel-biden-election-poll

[yardwork]

32. Fuck this shit.

And your source is shit, too.

[Steven Maurer]

57. It was an IMEU poll, and biased as well

Here's an explanation why: https://cauldronllc.substack.com/p/accidentally-leading-respondents

>>snip>>
Notably, in the original YouGov question, all the planks are roughly similar in length and language intensity. If you’re reading through and selecting between “immigration”, “inflation”, etc, you don’t have any good cues as to what the people running the poll care about. My one note is that “environment and energy” is framed to be softer than either a “climate” or “energy” plank individually, which is a little odd. But I get needing to compress categories together for length.

However, in the IMEU poll, “Ending Israel’s violence in Gaza” is much more loaded, intense language than the rest of the planks. Imagine you’re taking this poll with no idea what it’s about- you’re essentially being asked to choose between pretty neutral statements like “healthcare”, etc, and “ending violence”. That’s a strong cue as to which is the “correct” answer!

[IzzaNuDay]

66. they gonna see genocide alright

but they won’t have to go far… their neighborhood, city, state, and perhaps the entire country.

[mackdaddy]

71. So they ended up voting FOR Genocide and Ethnic Cleansing. And Trump tower Gaza.

How did that work out for them?

[Mr. Evil]

27. He is a white MAN.

People just can't seem to get out of their own way sometimes. Kamala Harris was clearly, immensely more qualified. But, her being a smart woman of color was just too much for a lot of people. Un-fucking-believable!

[leftstreet]

39. Obama. Hope Change. Universal Healthcare

well, the healthcare thing...

but just sayin

[Hekate]

58. I watched a supremely qualified white woman "lose" to Trump. Then I watched a supremely qualified...

…old white man beat Trump. Then the Dem Party ditched him at the last minute during the next campaign against Trump, for being too old. So we ran another supremely qualified woman against Trump, this time mixed-race, and she also “lost” to Trump.

Obama was exciting, and he was Black — but he was also male.

The common thread about who loses to Trump is that they are women. Not their color, their gender. Women. Apparently missing the most essential qualification to win the American presidency — a penis.

We have a real misogyny problem in the USA.

[leftstreet]

64. And when a GOPer female wins POTUS?

Won't everyone need to reevaluate this perspective?

[Hekate]

69. We'll see if IOKYAR can win out over the misogyny, which imo has hit historic levels not seen since 1900

Have you listened to GOP leaders like JD Vance and Whiskey Pete Hegseth? Their behavior speaks even louder than their vile words.

GOP has invited in the Proud Boys and other groups that lie awake at night fondling their guns and worrying about White Replacement and the duty of white women to pop out white babies whether they want to or not. White nationalists think giving women the right to vote was a monumental mistake — and lo and behold, there’s a push to tighten up the ability to vote that hinges on stopping people who have changed their names because it must be fraudulent. Who goes around changing their names? you ask. Ahem, most women who get married, actually. And then if they divorce and remarry they do it again.

So sure. IOKYAR covers a multitude of sins, but I’m not so sure it will cover the backward rush of the right wing.

IOKYAR: It’s OK If You’re a Republican

[erpowers]

86. Will They Nominate a Female

Do you really think the Republican Party will nominate a female for President? Which female, other than maybe Ivanka Trump, do you think they will nominate?

[Marcuse]

89. !

[erpowers]

90. Highly Doubt They Would WIn

I highly doubt they would win in the primaries, or in the general election.

[Marcuse]

91. Me too.

[live love laugh]

8. Some of these narratives are just bullshit propaganda.

[3catwoman3]

15. Any excuse for a Democrat not voting for the Democratic candidate(s) is...

...a piss-poor excuse.

Supreme Court seats was reason enough to vote for HIllary, regardless of anything else, but people couldn't see that in 2016, and keeping Trump from a second term should have been reason enough this time.

[DonCoquixote]

16. the ugly fact is

America does not think with it's head.

I am already dreading the 2030 election, where WILL VOTE DEM PERIOD, but I can sense that the faction that loves Bill MARR and James Carville will try to find some "charismatic" who acts barely to the left of Trump.

[RubyRose]

36. Don't you mean 2028?

[DonCoquixote]

38. yes

but the oint still sticks

[CrispyQ]

17. Everyone who didn't vote democratic is to blame, but

the ones who piss me off the most are the 6.3 million who voted for Biden in 2020 but not for Harris in 2024.

WTF?

[Eliot Rosewater]

18. How is that "nose holding"working out for you folks now?

You remember, when you told people you’d have to hold your nose to vote for Hillary Clinton and every time you said it at least one person who heard it decided there’s no reason to bother to vote at all if the candidates are that bad 🤬

(not directed at OP)

[surrealAmerican]

19. Vast numbers of Americans rarely (or never) vote at all.

They need convincing, not blaming.

We also need to make it easier to vote.

[Greyhead]

81. Make it easier to vote?

Haven’t we been trying that? Now we have the Save Act. Its goal is to stop women from voting because more women vote for dems. They could give a shit about the women in their party.

[chia]

20. Sign of the times... I misread your last line and though you said "...you needed to be executed."

🫤

[TBF]

21. You're assuming here that Elon did not rig the vote -

given that even his toddler understands that he did, this is just another way to divide people.

[Hekate]

59. Sometime after the polls were closed and all, Trump said it out loud in a little speech. He thanked Musk...

…for making sure the voting machines worked in his favor.

Caveat:
Not an exact quote. Don’t have date and time for you. Source was a bit of video on my TV. I just about sprayed coffee all over my iPad. And I sure as hell remember it.

[milestogo]

22. We live in that kind of culture.

[bluboid]

24. whoa!!! brilliantly put!

thank you, edhopper!

[alarimer]

25. I hate politics as a team sport

You don't have to be a superfan of whoever it is. After all, they work for US, not the other way around.

[LudwigPastorius]

26. They wanted to be entertained.

Well, how about the biggest disaster movie they’ve ever seen?

Watch, in amazement, as Trump turns the Ship of State into the Titanic!

[Initech]

28. If the government is your primary form of entertainment...

You really need to rethink your life choices! Like seriously, put down the bong and back away from the computer very slowly.

[Mr. Evil]

29. If I really need to be excited about something

that fucking bad, I'll go to a strip club.

[LaRaven]

30. I believe a good percentage of those that did not vote

May have been purged or ‘misplaced’. I received a notice that my mail in ballot was at the post office. It was never delivered to the registrar — no explanation why. And I’m from a blue state!

There should be an investigation as to where these ‘non voters’ went. The stakes were way too high to stay home! (not to mention all the Ruskie bomb threats:huh

[yobrault1]

31. The first time Trudeau was elected, the entire

country voted Liberal. People didn't need to be inspired, they were motivated to get Stephen f'n Harper OUT! I was appalled during the election how many f'n americans needed to be inspired. It was grotesque to say the least. How the f do you nullify a people so completely, they need to be inspired to save their own necks. Everyone wants to be treated like they are some special kind of snowflake and make candidates inspire them. Dems were telling everyone that it would be far worse than the first term, that it may very well be the last election, shit even Cheeto in Charge was saying that openly and still 90+ million were not inspired to do something about it. Unfrick'nbelievable!!!

[sop]

33. I no longer have these arguments with a lot of Democrats, there are too many politically illiterate people out there.

Trouble is disenchanted Democrats find a reason to stay home, but Republicans find a reason vote.

[Joinfortmill]

34. Amen.

[progree]

42. Enjoy your stay

What in . What in bloody hell is wrong with people like you?! You honestly think trying to guilt people who didn't vote for Kamala is a winning strategy? Kamala was a lazy, alcoholic hack

. etc. etc.

[Dave Bowman]

46. I missed that one by less than a minute. Lazy alcoholic, really? They were projecting, methinks.

[RandomNumbers]

55. Yikes. Thank you

for showing us a little bit of what we missed.

I always wonder. You have reminded me that perhaps I should be happy not to know.

[progree]

72. And I missed #63, just above yours. Darn /nt

[slightlv]

45. People who didn't vote for Kamala, or didn't vote at all because they didn't like their choices,

should have several very serious sit-downs with themselves to understand why they do such things, and think the way they think. My opinion is they're racist, whether or not they realize it. "Black friends" or "female friends" may be okay to them, non threatening... but a black or female president having power over their lives? Not even, I believe they think (and maybe not even deep down). And have one person who ticks off both of those boxes I think kicked in their survival guide. And why? My guess is they think they're going to end up being treated just as bad as they treated black females, or blacks, or women in general.

[Just Jerome]

47. My favorites are

"Would you have a beer with him/her?"

Or

"Would you have them to your house for dinner?"

NOT VOTING FOR A DRINKING BUDDY NOR A DINNER GUEST !!!!

[edhopper]

48. And remember

this is what the MSM talks about, rather than policy or agenda or qualifications.

[elocs]

50. I was excited and thought she would win but I still went and voted for her

as I have for whoever is the Democratic or Liberal candidate in the race for over 50 years now.
Too many Democrats are complacent, cocky, and overconfident. Look at where it has got us.

[TNNurse]

53. Does this mean they decided he was more exciting??

Hope they suffer long and hard.

[BOSSHOG]

56. Anytime Im voting against a Republican I'm excited.

It’s a happy occasion.

[ReRe]

61. So, they just didn't vote at all?

It's the lamest childish reason I ever heard for not voting. People like that have probably never voted in their lives, edhopper. I understand how upset you are about their reason, but they're lame, shallow, stupid, air-headed. Life is a beach to those people. You just need to realize that there are people like that out there in our populace. It takes all kinds. Let's just be thankful there's more people like you and DU/us than of them. But, it is maddening.

[Oopsie Daisy]

65. They were "UNCOMMITTED" and they never showed up again *

* because someone (I'm not naming-names for obvious reasons) told them to. A kneecapping saboteur.

[Seasider]

67. Her campaign staff let her down

It was basically Biden’s campaign team. She should’ve fired them all and hired new people when she became the candidate. These were the idiots who thought debating Trump in June a good idea and campaigning with Liz Cheney would help her win.

[Meowmee]

68. Yes they did this and are responsible for what is happening now

And what already happened, millions dying from covid etc. Most will never admit it so there’s no point talking to them. That is one of the biggest problems here in addition to the fact that the system has no standards for who can run for office and no way to immediately remove a lunatic who is dangerous.

[Beartracks]

70. That, or "i didn't like either choice." Um... "Neither" wasn't an option.

It's not like you're shopping and don't like the selection and can go home empty-handed. One of those two candidates was going to be your President, so why would you want everyone else to pick the one you get? If you find yourself thinking "I don't like either candidate," then what you need to do is ask yourself, "If I let everyone else pick for me, which one do I hope it is?" -- and then you go to your polling place and cast your ballot for that person.

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[YoshidaYui]

73. WELCOME TO

DUMFUCKISTAN.....

[betsuni]

75. The idea one must be "inspired" to vote was used from 2016 to discourage voting for Democrats.

The fairy tale is that anti-establishment candidates pass the purity tests and are righteous, moral, authentic, inspiring. The voter's moral virtue remains intact. Establishment candidates are corrupt, immoral monsters beholden to billionaires and oligarchs out to get the nice anti-establishments. Voters cannot be morally inspired and must remain pure by not voting for Democrats even if it means Republicans win. It's all about you and your imaginary moral purity so who cares how that affects the country!

Polarizing like this has been damaging and still done by the same person and people. You can go to a forum for supporters of the Democratic Party and see discussion after discussion angrily bashing Democrats about things that aren't true. Soup of the Day is that Democrats do nothing while only the anti-establishment savior is doing anything, only he can rescue us.

[2naSalit]

78. So...

What if all those alleged nonvoters were actual voters who weren't counted?

[Playingmantis]

79. "She laughed too much" is what one bozo told me..

so she voted for a sexual predator instead!

Ya! That's how millions think..


Well how's the market doing?

Although Trumpers are like those that insisted the Titanic was unsinkable ..even as the waters were closing in over their heads!

[jimmy the one]

80. Far better qualified than trump, but....

She was far better qualified than trump, as well as more civil decent and fair minded rather than an obnoxious corrupt undereducated political punk as trump is and always was.
But in my mind it was unforgivable and stupid for her not to visit the Mexican border her first 3 years as veep in charge of immigration.
Then on interview she said she 'hadn't visited Europe either' and I winced, knowing fox would rake her thru coals for that. And they did.
Eh, nobody's perfect. But do not be stupid.

[kansasobama]

82. A women and not a white is a dangerous combination

In a racist, sexist society. It is depressing many Dems also fall into this category. That is why they sat on couch and not vote

Then, sprinkle in some Gaza voters like Rashida, some Hispanics who were angry about Hispanic migrants, some Asians angry about long immigration waiting list, some African American men enamoured with Trump, and many white women who just cannot vote for anyone but Republican even if that man will decimate them.

[Emile]

83. I don't believe for a minute that Trump won

every battleground state.

[Lokee11]

84. Sure seemed to me -

Like one side had a lot of excitement, people lining up around the block and packed venues and then there was another side that had fairly empty venues while the "featured" speaker did things like play music for 30+ minutes and perform fellatio on microphones.

Kind of strange how that is what I remember - doesn't the Mandela effect usually happen with things far in the past not so recent

Just wonder why my memory fails me like that???

[edhopper]

85. I think the supporters

who went to the rallies were more excited by Kamala.
I think the swing voters, who are fickle and uniformed were not. Many stayed home because they couldn't be bothered, or voted for Trump for inane reasons. And Harris didn't "excite" them.

[Lokee11]

87. Yeah - Maybe I was in my own Echo Chamber

But that ECHO was really loud

[edhopper]

88. You have to remember

many voters did not pay attention and did not hear good things about Kamala or the nutso things Trump was doing and saying. They are gleefully uninformed and proud they "don't do politics". Then they vote based on how they feel that day.
"Is Biden running for President?", was the most Googled question election day.