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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIt might be a good time to have cash on hand.
Say $500 stashed under the mattress. Not to mention beans, lentils, and maybe some pasta. This may be a little paranoia on my part. But things are moving at the speed of light.
617Blue
(2,526 posts)Are they that crazy? I think so yes.
the_liberal_grandpa
(335 posts)and into a credit union which is not insured by the FDIC rather by the NCUA.
dutch777
(5,115 posts)...it is a risk and certainly if the interest on that cash is critical to you or you otherwise feel at risk, don't, but it will send a message. We have been considering getting a Swiss or Dutch bank account and maybe that is a good alternative.
homegirl
(2,028 posts)minimum $500. in $20, $10 and $5's. Better $1000 in cash.
A smaller metal garbage can, with as many 25lbs.packages of beans and rice as it will hold, and large jar of beef bullion and protein powder, plus a full supply of prescription and over the counter medications and vitamins.
AllyCat
(19,034 posts)that will be safe either way
BannonsLiver
(20,999 posts)If something is connected to federal govt in any way its a target.
Alliepoo
(2,853 posts)Go after the FDIC theyll go after the NCUA. I told Mr Poo to go to the credit union and take everything out of our account except a couple hundred dollars. Then if everything somehow turns around we can go and put the $ back in. If things go down the tubes at least we will have our $$ instead of not being able to get it when theres a run on the banks and credit unions. I found a couple of decent home safes that have good ratings for water and fire damage to use here at home. I dont think Im overreacting in wanting to do this.
mucholderthandirt
(1,798 posts)I don't know that it's any safer there than a regular bank, though. Pretty sure it's FDIC.
I hope people with those "online" banks think long and hard about that. I wouldn't trust those thing in good times, much less what's coming.
TommieMommy
(3,204 posts)Wednesdays
(23,405 posts)Then what?
If things go the way the OP suggests, it'll be a DECADE before this shit gets straightened out.
elocs
(24,486 posts)In practicality, anyone prepping is doing it for a limited amount of time for an emergency or disaster of some kind, not for one lasting years.
Kaleva
(40,473 posts)Last edited Thu Mar 13, 2025, 12:09 PM - Edit history (1)
Also, most preppers don't take into account extended family members, friends, or neighbors.
BannonsLiver
(20,999 posts)IronLionZion
(51,674 posts)Kaleva
(40,473 posts)Qutzupalotl
(15,875 posts)You don't have to outrun the bear, just outrun your friend who is also running away.
Likewise, you don't have to live longer than the crisis, just longer than your neighbors. Then you can eat them.
Light thoughts for a Thursday afternoon
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Keepthesoulalive
(2,446 posts)I always try to have a little extra if people need it. You do the best you can in terms of being prepared for a short term disaster. A depression is a whole different story. A couple of cases of bottled water, canned goods, charcoal or propane grill, extra medications, a small electric generator for your cellphone and internet, a weather radio and a source of water to flush toilets. Everyone may not have the financial resources to do all of these things but do what you can and maybe you can help those who need it.
CanonRay
(16,306 posts)So the country is f'd for the remainder of my life, basically.
Deuxcents
(28,125 posts)My son turns 57 today and he just told me hes worried about his future and his kids future. Theyll never know the country and its promise and he knows it. How we get beyond this for their lives, if we ever do, has him lamenting instead of celebrating his dreams.
elocs
(24,486 posts)We took it all for granted, but who ever saw this coming and happening so quickly?
As a nation, I think we were guilty of national pride, believing the idea and ideals of America would ever die, that we weren't like other nations that rose and fell. But too many of us were complacent while the right worked for decades to attain their goals such as with Roe that those of us thought was a done deal, as safe as a Constitutional amendment--wrong!
We held our Founding Fathers with godlike respect which I would bet they would have said was a mistake. There were just things in the future they never could have anticipated.
It was a pretty good country while it lasted though. The first of my family came here from England nearly 400 years ago. I never thought it would be me in my generation that would see the end of a free America.
(I tend to be a pessimist, preparing and anticipating the worst so if something better happens I can be pleasantly surprised.)
Attilatheblond
(9,438 posts)Only comfort for me is my husband did not live to see all the mess under Trump beyond April of '17, let alone what is going on now.
The best some of us can do is to try and teach actual history before the fascists completely obscure it from Americans.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)I'm also considering changing my account numbers so it would be harder for anyone with access to I.R.S. records (or anything, really) to access my assets.
Dan
(5,333 posts)Unless you can change your SSN, won't work.
Upthevibe
(10,275 posts)multigraincracker
(38,272 posts)Just really hard to time it.
Attilatheblond
(9,438 posts)I remember photos of Germany after WWI. Yeah, I'm old enough to have read history books that still contained such photos.
Kaleva
(40,473 posts)The Great Depression lasted from 1929 to 1941 and it took a world war where millions died to end it
Silent Type
(12,412 posts)Kaleva
(40,473 posts)Johnny2X2X
(24,571 posts)Forgoing large purchases and a vacation. Now is the time to protect yourself.
If our banking system collapses and the money I have there is gone, the best thing you can own will be guns, to proect yourself from looters.
S/V Loner
(9,568 posts)help you feed yourselves.
Attilatheblond
(9,438 posts)Haven't seen a bunny for about 16 months and I live next to a riparian wildlife 'highway' The coyotes are looking gaunt & desperate, now wandering thru big housing tracts in the middle of the day. Poodles, Poms, and Chihuahuas not safe outside along. Coyotes can scale 6 foot walls. It's pretty sad. I live close enough to a 'sky island' that it isn't rare to have young male bears going thru town to get to the next sky island when their mommas run them off and make young males move to different areas to find mates. (Even bears know it's not good to date you sister or cousin). Hunting here would be a real struggle.
The deer & the antelope aren't playin. The drought has all the critters desperate and dying off. Ah.... progress.
Johnny2X2X
(24,571 posts)To feed thousands of people, you need herds. We have a lot of deer in my suburban neighborhood, but even if all 50-75 were killed, it wouldn't feed the 20,000 people who live within a mile of me for more than a week.
Attilatheblond
(9,438 posts)Saw a 'man in the street' interviewer asking people in a grocery store 'Where does the meat here in the store come from'.
OK, I could almost cut some little kids slack for not knowing, but teens, middle aged people, even some elderly shoppers thought the store 'makes the meat in the back room'.
Truly terrifying levels of ignorance. And one reason one of the first thing W Bush's administration was to get rid of requirement for 'Country or Origin' labeling on food products. Easy to ignore problems faced by farmers/ranchers is nobody knows where dinner came from. Was glad when that was put back on. But we can't make consumers READ and realize the interdependence nations have in order to feed people
MissB
(16,344 posts)Last summer, I was walking our house sitter through the veg garden. I've known her for years; she's attended many family functions. So I know what she likes to eat.
I pointed out the arugula to her. I know she eats it. She couldn't identify it. I guess when it isn't in a clear clamshell container....
CrispyQ
(41,177 posts)We're about to find out, I think.
RobinA
(10,478 posts)as a gigantic Jenga game. It's stable under normal conditions because it's huge and can survive a minor collapse here or there. But there a lot of pieces throughout that, removed, can crash the whole thing. So it looks way stronger than it is due to size. However, also due to size, remove the wrong piece and it will be unable to function.
CrispyQ
(41,177 posts)Those who will not study history, will repeat it. This time on an even bigger scale.
on edit: Every American should have watched this movie after the financial collapse of 2008. "Inside Job" was most excellent too, if you want a documentary of events.
Kaleva
(40,473 posts)In your case, you plan to kill anyone who tries to take some or all of your supplies.
The problem with gun fights is that there's a chance that someone with a bullet or bullets that has your name or the name of loved ones that reside with you on it shows up.
Someone with military training most likely will remain hidden and wait for you to expose yourself and then kill you rather then confronting you directly .
99MainSt
(70 posts)gold becomes the universal currency.
S/V Loner
(9,568 posts)even if they did. The only value they are going to get for the gold is what the buyer wants to pay which will not be anywhere near what it was worth. Not even close and if you dont make the deal he has a buddy around the corner to take all of it. Not a world I would want to rely on.
99MainSt
(70 posts)SWinter
(27 posts)A friend has been collecting silver Liberty and Morgan coins, pre-1964 half dollars, quarters and dimes (which are 90% silver) for trade or to be sold as silver. He keeps very little cash in the bankjust enough to pay the monthly bills. Hes worried the US will become like Venezuela when they went into hyperinflation and their paper currency was useless.
erronis
(24,884 posts)murielm99
(33,144 posts)Actually, I am with you on the ideas in this post. I told my husband that we should start gardening again. We have not done that since the kids left home. There are only two people here to feed now. He said he did not think we were up to the physical work. I told him we could take it slow and have a smaller garden. He is 80 and I am 76.
I told him he would be glad to have a supper of green beans if that was all we could get. I am beginning to think I should find a place other than the bank to keep a reasonable amount of cash. I would not keep it in the house. Thieves would look for it here if things get bad enough. I live in a red area.
erronis
(24,884 posts)But I like your idea of having a small garden. Just like the Brits did during WW-II - Victory Gardens. And green beans are mighty versatile!
I'm not sure how valuable cash will be. Perhaps stockpile rubles or yuan?
KatyaR
(3,643 posts)Limits the bending over.
Check out the book Square Foot Gardening. Perfect for raised beds.
murielm99
(33,144 posts)We can have any size garden we want. We would keep it small because there are only two of us. We would keep it hidden well to the back to discourage thieves, if it came to that. We have a few apple trees, too.
William769
(59,147 posts)twodogsbarking
(19,741 posts)Deuxcents
(28,125 posts)I used to laugh about it. Not laughing now
sweetapogee
(1,217 posts)there is a lot that could be said about this subject, too much for a brief post. The overall idea is to have the resources to sustain basic functions for 6-12 months. In an emergency, that is how much time it would probably take for things to stabilize.
In general terms, and I will probably leave some things out, but what is needed is shelter, food, water, barter items, self-defense and transportation. It ranges from shelf stable foods and some amount of currency, a safe place to stay, communication, lighting, heat and cooking sources, food/water, fuel, tools and repair supplies and an overall plan if things go sideways.
I always say this to people I know who ask, the absolute best thing we can do to prepare for an event like this is to get rid of debt, consumer debt in particular. While not practical for many, living in a paid for home in a rural area with acreage is one of our biggest assets. We occasionally do a dry run where we kill the electricity for a few days and practice managing our place under those conditions. It is a commitment. It took us about 2 years to gather up all the stuff we think would be most useful to have.
TommyT139
(2,485 posts)If you have the time and energy.
padfun
(1,930 posts)I have a wallet in one pocket of my cargo pants with $3000 in $100's and a wallet with $1000 in twenties in another pocket. That can vary by a few hundred but twice a month, i fill it back up. I have a third pocket that has about $40-50 that I use at stores.
In the past, I have bought cars and stuff on site when someone is desperate and needs cash, so I like to be prepared.
BTW, I don't go out and walk around dangerous places.
chia
(2,847 posts)the_liberal_grandpa
(335 posts)I agreen on keeping some cash around in case the financial shit hits the fan. I also suggest getting cheap am/fm radio should communictions should go down (cell phone, internet) you will need to go old school to get weather and news.
homegirl
(2,028 posts)solar, batteries, plug in and wind up-plus radio and flashlight!
NNadir
(38,817 posts)It's the only way in which she acts like a Mormon.
I used to laugh at her about this, but a few hurricanes, plagues, and nut cases in the White House have disabled me of that idea.
The effects of extreme global heating have left me fairly certain that we may see famines soon enough. If that sounds paranoid, I really don't care. What we are living through now would have seemed paranoid 10 years ago. Crops depend on weather stability and that's disappearing as fast as US power and the value of Tesla stock.
Hope22
(4,953 posts)I have a favorite meat market that has great canned meat. Back in those days I told my husband I wanted to buy several cases of it just to be prepared. He thought it was too expensive and was not interested. Now, hes a big guy and he loves a meal so I simply reminded him that beans and rice would have to do then and without a complaint! It took about ten seconds for him to see the light. A vat of beans and veggies with a piece of meat seemed more promising I guess! It doesnt cost anything to set food aside. It will all be eaten. I hope they can turn this thing around before we get to that level of existence!
dutch777
(5,115 posts)it when they see an unusual amount of cash withdrawals.
defacto7
(14,162 posts)years. It just looks like a regular habit and like I spend a lot of cash.
dutch777
(5,115 posts)As I have no intent on shielding assets for tax purposes, just want some $$$ in a place that might be less affected by a Trump declared bank holiday or worse. Given the interconnected nature of the world financial market not sure there is anyplace reasonably safe/legal and readily accessible that wouldn't get affected in some way at least in the short term.
defacto7
(14,162 posts)But we had a pretty good thing going for a while and it seemed relatively safe to have US dollars in a bank. But things are changing, changing fast. So my contingencies don't seem so far fetched anymore. I'm so diversified, sometimes I forget where I put it.
Hope22
(4,953 posts)Nuts, raisins and popcorn for luxury. Not too soon to do it!
TomJulie
(131 posts)We have a couple weeks of Hormel and Dinty Moore large cans of beef stew and chili in our cabinets, We eat some occasionally and replace it with fresh cans. It's not the tastiest stuff in the world but it's edible and it's cheaper than buying MRE's and will last a couple years.
FB47243
(67 posts)Ammo
Lots of ammo.
markodochartaigh
(5,545 posts)power stations already. It has been covered in the US news. I think that it is no stretch of the imagination to think that there might be attacks on water utilities as well. We can only go three days without water, generally speaking. I think 5 gallons of water for each person in the household might be good.
I'm fortunate on the food side. Between yuca, mangoes, sapodillas, etc. my five acres produces more than enough to feed me. Of course the mangoes, especially, make me a target of thieves even during the best of times.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,625 posts)cash on hand for goods and services may be the least of our problems.
Hotler
(13,747 posts)moonscape
(5,817 posts)female self on the CA coast that I should get a gun.
I fired a gun once in my early 20s on a skeet range.
multigraincracker
(38,272 posts)Bought Ewell Gibbions Stalking the Wild Asparagus many years ago. I'm surrounded by lots of forest. I won't starve. I have a 22 single shot rifle and a couple of thousand rounds.
I've had no debt for many years.
All of my hobbies more than pay for themselves. It has not only been fun, it's all been valuable to me just in case.
Traildogbob
(13,298 posts)Helena hit us here in WNC, we had no power, no net, and no phones for a long time. No money could be withdrawn from banks except a few hundred, and those lines, in drive through only, were longer than gas lines for 10 gallons only. With cash.. Nothing could be purchased at any store or gas station, also limited amount, cash only.
Those same limitation could be unforced nationwide, and power, Cells, and Net could
all be shut down. .
Those few weeks were horrifying. Anger and rage was all over. On a nation wide scale, lunatics will be roaming and taking with deadly force.
Having a wallet or mattress full of cash will do little.
The billionaires will make crypto the only coin of the realm. Walking around with a block of gold and knife to shave off an once here and there, will get ya robbed and stabbed.
The potential for all hell to break out is near, like the end of time clock with only seconds left.
All hell is coming down from one party and Fux er al.
And with a previous election could have all been avoided. And all non participants, (I dont do politics) will not be immune. Hell, most of em will die without a cell phone. Shoulda voted asses.
I think a whole lot of desperate people will seek revenge on the party and media of smirking assholes. MTG and Vance ranted about people approaching them in restaurants. Just wait!!
Like a crazy drunken red necks last words, Watch ees! The instigators of said hell will not be able to hide.
Trump Making it all Great. Red hats will be targets for vengeance.
Not a lot of fun for anyone. Mass graves and diseases, with only Kennedy Jr on emergency broadcasts offering cure remedies. And Fux will broadcast through it all the with press secretary Barbie smirking away, telling you its not happening, just some radical left ANTIFA acting up.
Bad news MAGA. NASCAR will not be.
Cheers all, happy early spring.
defacto7
(14,162 posts)even if it turns out to be nothing. I'm covered in either case, I hope.
C_U_L8R
(49,612 posts)This Trump crash came on fast.
Figarosmom
(14,532 posts)I started cashing my checks and bringing them home instead of depositing back in Nov.. And always have extre beans dried and canned, tomato products and pasta on hand.
JanMichael
(25,725 posts)617Blue
(2,526 posts)wishstar
(5,842 posts)No power for about 3 weeks with most stores and gas stations (if even open) only taking cash while banks and ATM's were shut down.
BBbats
(318 posts)Was hoping to have a decent retirement.
Collect my SS. Have a fun part time job at a small Music store(instruments,CD's,records,etc.).
Still play a couple times a month in an Oldies/Rock band.
Was hoping to get some travel overseas in. Kicked Cancer about 15 months ago & felt liberated.
Now................I Dunno!
MissB
(16,344 posts)I have plenty of stuff on hand.
I'm planting more food than normal in the yard/garden this year. I give away a lot of eggs each week. My canning supplies are stocked up for years (extra boxes of new lids, plenty of canning jars). House is paid for.
If things go too far south, none of that particularly matters. In the end, it'd be nice to have America back.
DFW
(60,707 posts)We try to keep 5000 around, and it still disappears faster than water on a hot Dallas sidewalk in the summer.
TomJulie
(131 posts)My wife & I have always kept at least $1K on hand available. We've done this no matter who the Prez is. Hopefully, we won't need to use it.