Dem Sen Heard Yelling: 'This Will Not Be A Normal Shutdown'

[Just_Vote_Dem]

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/live-blog/senate-democrats-cr-republicans

One senator, who was identified by reporters at other outlets as Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY), was heard shouting at her colleagues from inside the meeting room that they are “complicit in the shutdown,” and imploring them to recognize that this “will not be a normal shutdown.”

“The VA will not be functioning,” the senator said. “The various NIH trials … will be shut down.”

“He will declare a state of emergency,” the senator told her colleagues, seemingly referring to a potential action President Trump might take if Congress does not pass a spending bill before the government runs out of funding midnight Friday.

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I'm feeling ill now....

[yardwork]

1. NIH trials are ALREADY shut down.

I don't think people understand the gravity of the situation. Allowing this bill to pass would be suicide.

[Jit423]

19. Beat me to it. So is the VA and jobs are already lost. A shutdown might put the brakes on this madness.

Opposition will a chance to really organize and do some "bullying" of their own.

[Ollie Garkie]

30. Yup...

Why bother to fund shit if Trump is just gonna arbitrarily shut shit down anyway?

[617Blue]

2. God they are so weak and scared.

[Buddyzbuddy]

37. Not they. Gillibrand, Fetterman.

Please be specific. Too broad a brush does damage to our party as a whole. It's a disservice to those that are fighting the good fight.

[617Blue]

40. You're right. I just don't understand what they are thinking.

They keep getting played time and again.

[choie]

53. And Schumer

[Buddyzbuddy]

60. Nvrm, update follows. I read here on DU that Schumer endorses a shutdown.

SCHUMER YOU F.CKING COWARD. Let somebody with guts take the reins. You are part of the reason we lost. You couldn't exhibit passion if your ass was on fire. You, a leader, riiight. Just get in line behind Fetterman and Gillibrand. When will you get to go to the club in Floriduh?
When you can't get the "leader" to do what's needed, you've lost the battle.
COWARD! COWARD!COWARD!

[AkFemDem]

56. Let's lay this at the feet of...

Chuck Schumer first and foremost because HE is the senate minority leader!!! He is the captain of this shipwreck.

[haele]

3. She's right, but this situation is a festering *rump bandaid.

Pull it off quick and let it all collapse quickly, exposing the underlying infection while people are still paying attention and not all the pieces are in place, or pull it off slow, allowing the infection to fester until everyone is too exhausted to fight and all the pieces are in place for it to take over.

[radius777]

28. Bingo - fight fire with fire. The problem with the

resistance to Trump over the years is that it has continued to adhere to norms - that Trump/Repubs themselves don't follow.

[Magoo48]

31. Good point. Also, millions of people still believe the buck stops with the president.

Don’t vote for any version of this bill which gives the orange menace one more iota of power.

[Bluetus]

44. I hear you, but that's not enough

Dems should be demanding that all of this illegal firing and sabotage stop immediately and entirely, and that Congress return to its Constitutional role.

And explain that to the people.

[Lovie777]

4. Hear say..................

[likesmountains 52]

5. I don't even know what the right choice is anymore....

[Just_Vote_Dem]

11. That's because either way we lose, and the pukes know it n/t

[Bluetus]

46. No that is wrong. The government is already in shutdown.

we must stop fearing a "possible shutdown". it is already upon us. This is the only big leverage we have at the moment, and that is only because the media will pay no attention until they perceive an "official shutdown".

There is zero point in negotiating with Republicans at this point. We should be placing our objectives and demands in front of the media and the American people and proceeding as if the full shutdown is already underway.

This is the only course that makes any sense. Capitulating with what Trump and the Republicans want to do places us fully into authoritarian mode.

And to hell with Gillibrand and Fetterman. Let Trump declare state of emergency and martial law. How is that any worse than letting Trump have zero limits under this GOP bill?

Some people will wake up when Trump declares martial law. The sooner the better.

[lame54]

6. It comes down to one question...

Which one do THEY prefer
Vote against that one

[LiberalArkie]

21. They want the same as always. Get 95% of what they want and toss the Democrats a pre chewed bone and the D's

will vote yea. Every single time.

My vote would be NO. They have to be stopped where they are to blame... No bi-partisan bill

[JohnSJ]

7. Perhaps someone should point out to Gillibrand, who led the charge in Al Franken's removal, that if this CR

passes in the form it is in, it will take power away from Congress and give it to the sociopath.

[Captain Zero]

36. She was wrong about Al Franken; wrong on this

Too.

We need to bring this to a head and pop it.

[Jose Garcia]

8. Government shutdowns should not be normal occurrences

[JustAnotherGen]

9. Good - and her voters need to know

She's voting for an extension of the 2017 Jobs and Tax cut act.

The one that put a cap on the SALT deduction.

During the TEA Party years - their politicians trembled at the sight or sound of them. She doesn't fear her voters. Now is a good time for the grass roots to find a primary challenger.

She doesn't get it. I'm 100% onboard with a shut down. We are at least 50% of the way there.

[bamagal62]

42. Yeah, that cap on SALT

Is BS. I can’t stand Gillibrand. Should have been primaried years ago.

[newdeal2]

10. I suggest they speak to someone who actually knows how Trump acts

Like a Pelosi.

Cowering in fear of a bully sets a precedent too that will be hard to live down.

[Nanjeanne]

12. Shut it down. End of story. NYers call her office !

[HarryM]

32. I just emailed her yesterday

I'll shoot out another short one right now.

[Nanjeanne]

35. This is different. We were asking to vote NO on the bill. Now it's worse. They are willing to vote Yes on

Cloture which means they hate the bill but will let Rs pass it with 51 votes rather than block the bill they hate because the government will shut down. From where I sit it’s already shut down and I can’t imagine handi g the republicans this kind of victory so they can co ti us to rape the American people.

The response to shut down should be they are will to shut down the government in order to save it and our democracy

[HarryM]

38. The Gist of what was in my email

Told her that she must vote no on cloture. I know how this works.

[flamingdem]

13. For once let's do the thing they don't expect.

They expect dems to cave. For once let's call their bluff.

[senseandsensibility]

14. Gillibrand bringing the same fighting political instinct

to this fight that she brought to the Al Franken controversy, I see.

[SocialDemocrat61]

18. She issued a statement on social media

as did 38 other Senators on the same day, including Warren, Sanders, Harris and Booker. And the first to go on TV to call for Franken to resign was Harris, who later got Franken’s seat on the Judiciary committee.

[rzemanfl]

26. +1. n/t

[usonian]

15. Things will remain the same until they don't.

An emergency is not an insurrection. But IANAL.

[BeyondGeography]

16. And these are normal times?

I’m trying not to get sucked in because I think I have a better chance of tomahawk dunking on LeBron this weekend than Senate Democrats digging in and taking a hard stand against Trump/Musk, but what exactly does Gillibrand think is “normal” right now that she fears undoing in a shutdown?

[OrlandoDem2]

17. This!! Thank you!! Someone tell the Senator to shut it down and let voters know Trump is shitting in America!

[W_HAMILTON]

20. Kirsten, it's not our problem.

Republicans have full control of the federal government.

If it shuts down on their watch, it is on them -- not us.

[PatSeg]

22. True, though they will still blame us

and their brainless base will believe them.

[Still Waters]

45. That's my concern--Trump & Musk will blame the Democrats for the shutdown

and use that for the excuse to stop Social Security and Medicare payments

[SocialDemocrat61]

58. So will the corporate media

They love blaming democrats for things republicans are responsible for

[Prairie Gates]

23. Gillibrand always got her finger on the chicken switch

She had the same unhinged reaction to Al Franken.

[Raven123]

24. What's a normal shutdown?

I’m confused. I thought we are experiencing an abnormal shutdown now.

[SSJVegeta]

25. I mean, shes right

None of this shit is "normal."

[cer7711]

27. SHUT IT DOWN!!!

The orange fascist bastard wants to xfr trillions to his billionaire class buddies while the working-- and middle-classes are reduced to utter despair and poverty: serfs in their own country.

Better to shut it down now to MINIMIZE the looming financial catasrophe that will otherwise result. Share the pain amongst ALL classes.

I cannot believe I am saying this; nor how fast and how far we have already fallen.

This is an absolute nightmare.

PS. Fort Knox gold sold off for crypto, anyone? Bond villain madness!

[Klarkashton]

29. Who cares if he declares a national emergency?

What's he going to do about it? Send the army in to patrol the streets? JFC this place has gone mad in 6 fucking weeks.

[angrychair]

33. Martial Law is bullshit scare tactic

I've already written an OP on this. It's not realistic, feasible or tolerable.
More importantly it is impossible to enact martial law on a nation of 365 million people over 300,000 sq mi. Just not realistic...even if you count militia groups.
Esp so if you consider a significant portion of active duty military would not participate in an domestic conflict on US soil.

[Luvcatz14]

34. What would Repubs do?

If they were in our shoes? We all know the answer to that. We have to stop bringing a casseroles to these fights!!

[Javaman]

39. The orange asshole threats are real BUT

Now he’s freaking out. He knows if it doesn’t get passed, it’s all on him and dogebag

So please, Kirsten, just stop.

[Buddyzbuddy]

41. SHUT IT DOWN!

It's the Republicans watch. They own this. Democrats have very few buttons to push. This is a big one. We, the public are already experiencing suffering at the hands of the Felon and his administration. Don't buckle. The Republicans doubt your fortitude, prove them wrong. Everybody gets hurt in a fight which is why most don't want to fight and they are counting on that fear.
The news is superficially covering this administration and there actions. Let them try to ignore this. Not gonna happen.

[markodochartaigh]

43. The Republicans brought the bull into the china shop.

The appropriate thing for the Democratic politicians to do is to step outside the china shop so that when people start to stare it doesn't look like "both sides" were egging the bull on.

[moonbeam23]

47. You can always count on

Gillibrand to screw up something important...will NEVER forgive her for what she did to Al Franken!

[Exp]

48. She's right. I say give the Pukes enough rope to hang themselves.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220130455

[Markus Che]

49. This is going to be bad

It can either get bad quickly or we can slowly go there. If Democrats let the government shut down, it will put more people in the street. If DJT declares martial law, there may trouble, but sooner or later he will call out the military anyway. It is just a matter of time.

[johnnyfins]

50. The sooner he goes full dictator

The sooner he can be opposed/deposed on those terms.

[AllyCat]

51. It's already not functioning!!

[doc03]

52. All that tough talk and they cave again as expected. nt

[ImNotGod]

54. Too fucking bad, its not normal for an unelected president musk to be running the country. SHUT IT THE FUCK DOWN!!!

[ImNotGod]

55. I don't think our party will ever recover caving to the fascists, maybe the straw that breaks the camel's weak back. nt

[Kid Berwyn]

57. Putinslips declares a National Emergency...

...takes out the Constitution, Congress, the Courts and rule of law and deputizes the Michigan Militia and all their various twisted NAZI incarnations across kkklanland.

Thank you for the heads-up, Sen. Gillibrand.

[poozwah]

59. gillotine

thanks to her, al franken is no longer a senator. just remember that.

[flamingdem]

61. I will never, ever forget that

Miss Al