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LetMyPeopleVote

(179,868 posts)
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 04:25 PM Mar 2025

'I'm getting mad': Judge reams Trump lawyers and threatens mass rehiring over 'sham' docs

You do not lie or try to mislead a federal judge. This judge is pissed



https://www.rawstory.com/william-alsup-trump-lawyers/

U.S. District Court Judge William Alsup blasted attorneys for the Trump administration after he said he suspected they were lying and giving him "sham" documents.

At a hearing on Thursday, Alsup became angry after acting Office of Personnel Management (OPM) Director Charles Ezell refused an order to testify on the Trump administration's mass firings. The case was brought in February by the American Federation of Government Employees.

"You will not bring the people in here to be cross-examined. You're afraid to do so because you know cross-examination would reveal the truth," the judge told government lawyers, according to Slate's Mark Joseph Stern.

"I tend to doubt that you're telling me the truth whenever we hear all the evidence eventually. Why can't you bring your people in to be cross-examined or deposed at their convenience?" he continued. "I said two hours for Mr. Ezell. A deposition at his convenience. And you withdrew his declaration rather than do that? Come on. That's a sham. It upsets me, I want you to know that."

"I've been practicing in this court for over 50 years and I know how we get at the truth. And you're not helping me get at the truth. You're giving me press releases, sham documents. I'm getting mad."

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'I'm getting mad': Judge reams Trump lawyers and threatens mass rehiring over 'sham' docs (Original Post) LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2025 OP
A trump lawyer lying? BOSSHOG Mar 2025 #1
I'm shocked. progressoid Mar 2025 #5
This judge was pissed LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2025 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author vapor2 Mar 2025 #3
More of THIS please! ...and more REPORTING on it!!!! FirstLight Mar 2025 #4
Let me switch to CNN and see if this is the top story. LisaM Mar 2025 #9
yep! not surprising... :( FirstLight Mar 2025 #11
I guess we can add "I'm getting mad" to the long list of meaningless judicial utterances. PSPS Mar 2025 #6
Agreed. Who is actually empowered to enforce a punishment - a fine, a censure, imprisonment, etc.? TheRickles Mar 2025 #7
US Marshals. That's their job. paleotn Mar 2025 #14
Where's Howard Beale when you NEED him... BattleRow Mar 2025 #12
And Abbie Hoffman ewcordon Mar 2025 #18
Saddle up and head them off at the pass! Or better yet incarcerate them for contempt. Ford_Prefect Mar 2025 #8
In an update Figarosmom Mar 2025 #10
when are we going to see some of these people in jail!!!!!!??????? AllaN01Bear Mar 2025 #13
Going to be a while, unfortunately. paleotn Mar 2025 #15
Yup republianmushroom Mar 2025 #19
Okay, judgy mcjudge, forget about AG legally blonde Bondi -- just double down on the scapegoat blame game. ancianita Mar 2025 #23
Slooooooooooooooooooooooow waaaaaaaaaaaaaalk paleotn Mar 2025 #27
These are not criminal cases. These are cases of fighting executive orders or a president's allowing a third party ancianita Mar 2025 #16
So what sort(s) of penalty would be appropriate here? TheRickles Mar 2025 #21
What sorts of penalties depends on the laws being broken. Examine these cases so you can determine them. ancianita Mar 2025 #22
Thanks for these links - it's an impressive list, to be sure. TheRickles Mar 2025 #24
49 months and counting republianmushroom Mar 2025 #17
The Judge was not pleased telling Trump admin lawyers and accused them of hiding the truth LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2025 #20
You ain't fooling this guy. He's on to you. oasis Mar 2025 #25
Federal judge pulls no punches in ordering Trump administration to rehire the probationary employees they fired LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2025 #26

Response to LetMyPeopleVote (Original post)

FirstLight

(15,771 posts)
4. More of THIS please! ...and more REPORTING on it!!!!
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 04:58 PM
Mar 2025

With us feeling *so* overwhelmed and overpowered as a people, we need to hear and see more of those who are doing the hard work of calling out for TRUTH...!!

LisaM

(29,634 posts)
9. Let me switch to CNN and see if this is the top story.
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 06:11 PM
Mar 2025

Nope. It's Jake Tapper bothering AOC and blaming Democrats for everything.

PSPS

(15,321 posts)
6. I guess we can add "I'm getting mad" to the long list of meaningless judicial utterances.
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 05:42 PM
Mar 2025

Wake me when anyone is actually held to account for their malfeasance.

TheRickles

(3,386 posts)
7. Agreed. Who is actually empowered to enforce a punishment - a fine, a censure, imprisonment, etc.?
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 05:47 PM
Mar 2025

It seems like these legal processes can go on forever, and no one is ever actually punished in any concrete or tangible way.

BattleRow

(2,449 posts)
12. Where's Howard Beale when you NEED him...
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 06:37 PM
Mar 2025

"Im mad as hell and I'm not taking it anymore!"

ancianita

(43,307 posts)
23. Okay, judgy mcjudge, forget about AG legally blonde Bondi -- just double down on the scapegoat blame game.
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 09:06 PM
Mar 2025

paleotn

(22,218 posts)
27. Slooooooooooooooooooooooow waaaaaaaaaaaaaalk
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 06:24 PM
Mar 2025

I stand by my comment. If there is a hell, I hope to hell Merrick Garland ends up there. He failed his country. Sometimes I wonder if it was on purpose.

ancianita

(43,307 posts)
16. These are not criminal cases. These are cases of fighting executive orders or a president's allowing a third party
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 07:10 PM
Mar 2025

to examine the government's "waste and inefficiency" through DOGE.

ancianita

(43,307 posts)
22. What sorts of penalties depends on the laws being broken. Examine these cases so you can determine them.
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 09:03 PM
Mar 2025

Neither of us are lawyers, so we'd have to spend a lot of time looking up the case law made by the 121 cases of plaintiffs, but they revolve around constitutional amendments being broken.
https://www.justsecurity.org/107087/tracker-litigation-legal-challenges-trump-administration/


I've already written an OP on the cases being litigated so far. https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220130096#post10

TheRickles

(3,386 posts)
24. Thanks for these links - it's an impressive list, to be sure.
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 07:28 AM
Mar 2025

I was mainly wondering about this one case in the OP, where the judge has scolded the lawyers for giving him "sham" documents. The fired workers may end up being re-hired, but are these lawyers likely to suffer any sort of penalty for their conduct? Thanks.

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,868 posts)
26. Federal judge pulls no punches in ordering Trump administration to rehire the probationary employees they fired
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 06:10 PM
Mar 2025
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