Looks like Schumer will be on MSNBC next, maybe he will explain what he meant by a shutdown would let dump cut more.

[Eko]

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220135514

[senseandsensibility]

1. Okay, watching on a slight delay

Thanks for the heads up. I do hope Chris grills him.

[Eko]

2. Same

[EarlG]

3. Curious to hear what he has to say

If there’s a convincing explanation that this is the right course, fine. I just haven’t heard that yet

[Eko]

4. Says cause dump would get to decide what is essential services.

Keep open what he wants and close what he wants and no judge could decided differently.

[allegorical oracle]

8. Seems to be making the point that they want a shutdown...that the shutdown would give

them unfettered power to further loot the gov't. He says the CR holds them to some restrictions but is horrible. "Why does Musk and Trump and Voight want this (shutdown)," he says. "I had to give people this warning."

Schumer also said a shutdown would give them the availability to shut down the courts and the courts have been one of the best ways we've had to stop them (or slow them down).

[Eko]

9. Ya.

[thinkingagain]

12. Can the Dems slip something in the CR

That would limit his powers to like
6 minutes or some such so it looks like he has it but is actually limited time
Not 6 months!!!! ( cross off months put minutes )

Probably wishful thinking probably not a real possibility

[mr715]

21. Nope.

No power here. We are doing kabuki theater and we forgot to put on our kimono.

[mr715]

5. If he is on MSNBC

he is selling to his own party. Which suggests it is a big loss and he is trying to make excuses

[Lovie777]

6. Not really...............

[JohnSJ]

13. You are right People may not buy his argument, but what he is saying is that he believes the shut down would hurt more

people, and that the republicans would actually want the shut down so they can blame the Democrats.

Even though he thinks the CR is terrible and will open the door to draconian legislation, he feels that more people would be hurt if the government is shut down.

[mr715]

23. Can they vote present?

Do they need to be on the news drawing attention to our political impotence?

"Hey media, I'd like to announce that I've changed my stance 12 times in 2 days despite there is no reason for me to participate in this process. Please do not let Fox know because they'll say they beat ya to it!"

Perhaps he is counting on a Trump veto because it is bipartisan know.

That is the ONLY chess move that is possible, and that is only a chess move because Trump is more a checkers mind.



MR

[mr715]

17. Who is he talking to?

Which party is more unified regarding cloture (not even the CR) - the Democrats or the Republicans?

Why is our leader selling a bag of goods that he has no power to provide?

Again - he is the minority leader. He does not set the agenda. He has no mandate to govern. He is, however, on TV saying he will support "better this than that, because it could be worse"

This has not won us elections, and it is really hard to believe it will in the future.

[Tim S]

7. Follow...

When a position makes no sense… Follow the money.

[mr715]

22. To where?

[JohnSJ]

10. His argument is that the alternative is worse, and the republicans actually want the shutdown, and will use it to blame

the Democrats. He believes that if they keep the government running, even though the CR is terrible, it will do less damage, and any further authoritative legislation that hurts people will be on the republicans.

That is essentially his argument.

[Bluepinky]

11. Thanks Merrick and Mitch,

Both of you are responsible for this shit show.

[JohnSJ]

15. It is a lot more complicated than that. Yes, it can be argued that they contributed, but in the end the voters deserve

a lot of the blame, especially those that reused to vote or VP Harris, or Hillary in 2016, by either not voting or voting third party.

that judge canon was appointed to oversee the document case makes me wonder just how random that selection was.

[Bluepinky]

19. Oh, I know, it's not only them.

But it’s so discouraging that Trump is never forced to account for his misdeeds, and it’s depressing that so many Americans voted for this orange a-hole, and it sucks that our political system is so rigged in favor of big money.

[JohnSJ]

20. it sure is.

[senseandsensibility]

14. He looks very uncomfortable

I have never seen him like this.

[dweller]

16. He may have to get used to

That look



✌🏻

[mr715]

18. He doesn't need to be leader

And we don't need to keep him. It is up the Senate democrats to establish their own rules, no?

It should be uncomfortable to be leader, but I think it is fair to say that our leaders should never LOOK uncomfortable defending their policies.


Edit: And yes, he is a good democratic soldier and fundraiser. He does not need to be in leadership, though his contribution as a democratic rank and file vote is appreciated, though a low bar.

[Rhiannon12866]

24. Here's Schumer's appearance on MSNBC for those who missed it:

'I knew I'd get criticized': Leader Schumer on why he's helping Republicans avoid shutdown - All In - MSNBC
https://democraticunderground.com/132143932