Shut it down

[yardwork]

People calling for the CR don't seem to realize how bad things already are.

The last thing on Earth Democrats should do is vote to continue this madness.

Things are horrible. Musk is being allowed to run rampant. Our only hope is for Democrats to stand up and say "no more!"

NIH funding is on hold, federal employees are bring fired for no reason, no flu vaccine is being developed, the Secretary of Health and Human Services says it would be good for everyone to get measles, Trump is threatening to invade Canada, Greenland, and Panama, we've abandoned Ukraine, the head of our military is a drunken rapist who is hoping for Armageddon, Trump wants to build resorts in Gaza, a Russian plant runs our intelligence agencies, we've abandoned all efforts to control climate change, small businesses are going under all over the country, we've abandoned millions of people all over the world who were getting aid from USAID, the stock market is tanking, prices are up, there's a bird flu epidemic nobody is tracking, federal agencies are deleting decades of data, people are being arrested and held for no cause, immigrants are being sent to Gitmo in chains,

Trump threatens and un-threatens and rethreatens tariffs every couple of hours, all our allies are furious with us, we've abandoned NATO, our astronauts are stuck in space and dependent on Elon Musk to bring them home, historical photos of women, Black, and LGBTQ people are being deleted from federal archives, trans people are being raped and beaten in prison because they've been moved into their opposite sex's populations, trans people can't get passports, people don't know what Musk's 19-year old college dropouts who call themselves "big balls" are doing with our social security and treasury data.... what did I miss?

Sure, courts keep saying "this is unconstitutional, rehire these people" but NOBODY HAS BEEN REHIRED. Nobody has been released from Gitmo or that for-profit prison in Louisiana. Nobody is getting their grants or contracts.

This is happening right now, and Chuck Schumer is going to vote to continue it. Like everything will be fine.

It's not fine. This is not fine. Shut it down.

[leftstreet]

1. DURec

[yardwork]

2. Thanks.

[gab13by13]

3. Shut It Down is the wrong headline.

The CR is unconstitutional and will give the power of the purse to Elon Musk.

The CR will neuter Congress.

[leftstreet]

7. Maybe Congress is tired of being held accountable?

Claiming they're powerless would certainly give them more time to work on their reelection campaigns

[Blue_Adept]

4. 100% agree

With weeks and weeks of "just fight damnit" we entered the "but not like that" phase from some.

[yardwork]

5. Even Nancy Reagan said Just Say No.

[hlthe2b]

6. Maybe. Ever seen the movie "Sophie's Choice?" This is one...

My kneejerk is that we should FIGHT. But the repercussions on THIS particular fight may defeat us in in future ones.

I don't know the "right" answer. I'm not sure there is one beyond getting these monsters out of our government and legislature. Can we wait for an election to do so? I don't know that either.

[yardwork]

9. It's not the right metaphor.

This choice is between going along with what Trump is doing vs. saying no to him.

Democrats are overthinking this. It's actually very simple. We don't go along with what Trump is doing. We don't agree with it. We reject the continuing resolution that codifies what Trump is doing.

[hlthe2b]

12. Look, I've been on the phones to my Senators (Bennett & Hickenlooper) to say NO and NO, but

the metaphor considers consequences. It wasn't just a matter of telling the NAZIs "NO." It is apt.

That said, my Senatorial delegation ARE BOTH VOTING NO, as I moved for them to do. But my assurance that this is the right choice is not 100%. It may not succeed, but there will be consequences regardless. Just as with Sophie's Choice.

[yardwork]

14. Democrats in the House are pushing for a 30-day CR.

That would put pressure on the Republicans to negotiate. There's more than one choice here. Schumer's approach gives away the farm.

[hlthe2b]

15. I absolutely agree with THAT.

[gab13by13]

17. There are more than 2 choices

Democrats could challenge the Constitutionality of the CR. Art 1, section 8, Clause 1, grants Congress (not an illegal alien) the power to tax and spend money for the general welfare of the United States.

Fight them for fuck's sake.

[Cirsium]

25. Yes, it was

It was just a matter of telling the NAZIs "NO." That is the only thing that worked. I understand that people are fearful about the consequences of standing up to bullies, but let's not fool ourselves and couch that fear as "strategy."

You can't control or even predict the consequences. It is a dangerous illusion to think you can finesse your way through this.

[hlthe2b]

28. You clearly don't know the meaning of "Sophie's Choice" either.

Don't comment about that which you are clearly uninformed.. In this case it is not just a mistake, but disgusting to downplay an account based on REAL NAZI atrocities.

[Cirsium]

31. Of course

Of course I know the meaning of "Sophie's Choice." How am I "downplaying" that? I think you are misappropriating it.

[hlthe2b]

32. No. YOU DON'T.

To suggest saying "NO" to the NAZIs in THAT scenario was an option only shows you do NOT.

Don't misappropriate MY message EITHER. Reread what I have written. I believe in opposing the CR, but to claim it will not have consequences every bit as serious as the CR itself is foolish. I simply believe in standing on our principles when all choices are bad.

[Cirsium]

36. No need to get upset

If I misunderstood you, so be it. Sorry.

I agree there are consequences to anything we do. I agree that the fascists love to present people with impossible choices.

[yardwork]

37. They sure do!

[Moostache]

8. I am done donating to any party level fundraisers until Schumer steps out of leadership.

If his constituents are content with his "leadership" and representation, then let them vote him in again or allow him to stay in the caucus, but he is utterly overwhelmed by the moment and incapable of leading anyone much less leading an effective counter to this crisis moment.

Chuck, when you're out front and turn around to find no one following you, you're not leading any more.
You're out for a walk.

Know the difference and please act accordingly - for the good of the people and the party, before it really is too late.
Power for power's sake is not a Democratic Party value or platform plank that I recall...

[BattleRow]

23. Hey,if they could drum Biden out,what gives with Chuck?

He's WAY past expiration..and exasperation.

[TBF]

10. "Hold The Line" is the title you're looking for -

it is not up to the dems to shut it down - we control nothing right now. House, Senate, Supreme Court - all under republican control. Make them own it. If they're going to pass CR, they do it on their own.

Democrats need to hold the line, say NO - we are not helping you destroy the country, vote no, and walk out.

I don't know what they threatened Schumer with, or which donor is on him, but it is WRONG for him to sell out his constituents. EVERY senator should be voting against this horrible CR.

[yardwork]

11. I don't care what words they use as long as they fight.

[TBF]

39. Amen and solidarity - nt

[Passages]

13. I'm not sure I have ever felt this frustrated before with respect to our political leverage and how

it should be used. It seems so obvious what we need to do, and yet here we are, back at ground zero.

[H2O Man]

16. Thank you.

Recommended.

[Martin Eden]

18. If the government shuts down, it will be the doing of the Republican Party

They allowed ZERO input from Democrats, and stuffed it with totally unacceptable poison pills.

The Democratic Party is willing to negotiate when Republicans are prepared to be reasonable.

The Orange Fuhrer will loudly and repeatedly blame the government shutdown on Democrats, who need to demonstrate they have just begun to fight.

Truth and the United States Constitution are on our side.

[h2ebits]

19. Every state should start recall petitions to stop the Republicans--TODAY!

[Initech]

20. Musk needs to be arrested now!

[Scrivener7]

21. We are going off the cliff one way or the other. So the faster we hit the ground, the better.

You are right. They need to vote no.

[yardwork]

24. The last thing we want to do is help them drive off the cliff.

[Scrivener7]

26. Exactly.

[Exp]

34. We're heading off a cliff either way. Let's make sure that the public knows who's doing the driving GOP. nt

[elleng]

22. Shut it down!

[G_j]

27. agreed

[mwooldri]

29. If the MAGAs are serious about keeping the country open...

... and don't want Democratic help to do so, they can go nuclear and kill the filibuster.

Either they - the Republicans - need to yield to reason or they can go nuclear. And Democrats need to stand firm.

[Fil1957]

30. Schumer is a collaborator

[3825-87867]

33. Betrayed isn't the right word...

I felt this way when, in Obama's first term, he sold us out to the banksters. Many of us here at the time complained (as much as the constraints allowed!). Turns out we were right.
Give in to this BS and blackmail from tramp and his garbage, and there won't be a 'next time."
Jobs are already lost, services are already gone and people HOPE that's all that will happen. They are like the guy with no money, who goes into a seafood place, orders Oyster Stew expecting to pay for it with the pearl he finds in the oyster!
Tramp LIES. I know it. We all know it. He WILL lie again. But the next time it could totally be the end.

He's a vindictive little prick...always was and always will be. Get that through your heads. He is taking out his bankruptcys, losses and humiliations on America. And when it's all said and done the way he and Vlad and Elon planned, he'll have that Tramp Tower in the middle of Moscow...and winter in Tramp Gaza.

As an aside, if he can actually get the military and its leaders to believe him enough to "retake the Canal" it is over. They may be the only ones who can stop him. Reserve your place in a bread line...if you're lucky.

Shut it down. His business buddies won't like that at all.
But what's worse is that those who make the decision to capitulate to Adolph II, will NOT suffer one bit!. Noe will their families and friends. If you were in their place, you might do the same.

People on the edge need to understand...the right DOESN'T CARE about us or our feelings or...our lives.

[Evolve Dammit]

35. Don't enable the mother fuckers. Take a stand

[DiamondShark]

38. K&R