I hope everyone here that wanted Biden forced out are happy with themselves.

[we can do it]

[marble falls]

1. I'd be happy to know the complete uncut story.

[we can do it]

62. Trolls amped up demands to step down. They also attacked those of us standing up for PJB - all of them gone now.

[Emile]

78. No primary or anything. If someone wanted

to run against him they should have primaried against him.

[Demsrule86]

87. A primary? There was no time for a primary...we would have lost just the same.

[Emile]

89. A primary would have started a year earlier.

[Demsrule86]

94. Every single time we have primaryed a president we lost the election...

And incumbents have always won primaries...Incumbency has value. The debate would have blown over. And Joe Biden who has deep ties to the rustbelt would likely have won. We will never know...but for God's sake I pledge that I will do everything in my power if I am here to make sure it never happens in our party again.

[RobinA]

146. Well, Some of Us

didn't think Biden should have run again at all, so there would have been plenty of time for a primary. I happen to like Biden, but I felt that the winds were against him at primary time and that the party should have had a discussion. Of course, maybe they did. Then when time was short they kinda had to make Harris as the nominee, when voters already indicated they would rather vote for Donald Trump, handicap-mocker, than a totally qualified woman (Hillary), who in my opinion was a better condidate than Kamala.

[MichMan]

80. Trolls convinced President Biden to withdraw?

[we can do it]

90. Trolls HERE amped up demands - better?

[Prairie Gates]

101. Oh, some are still here...and I mean here here

[live love laugh]

109. So why post flame bait for the trolls?

[brush]

111. I was all for Joe Biden, especially after the great job he did at the State of the Union appearance.

He was energetic, assured, gregarious and confidant. He tamped down the constant refrain of him being too old. But after that disastrous debate performance, there was no way he could win against the lying, criminal trump.

I blame his schedulers and debate prep team. His schedulers for not making sure his energy level was up for the debate night. They had him travel to Europe for the WWll memorial events (unavoidable), but after that they had him traveling back from Europe then all the way across the country to California for campaign events, then back for debate night. All that exhausted him. IMO there was not enough rest scheduled for him, after all he's 81-years-old. That was careless of the schedulers, probably much younger people who didn't even consider his energy was not up to theirs.

The debate prep team did a poor job too IMO. Seems to me they over-prepared him with facts, when IMO they should've had him come out and blast trump for being a convicted criminal whose every other word is a lie and the republican party can do better and has no business running a guilty on 34 counts convict as their candidate.

That would've upped the ante completely, maybe even spark the criminal to try something against trump like he did with Hillary. That would been the end of his campaign right then.

Voila. Mission accomplished.

We had to get trump off his game. Try something new to get our voters enthused and happy. It sure would've shut up the too-old crowd and had all MSM and cable talkers in an uproar for the next several news cycles.

Again. Mission accomplished.

[thesquanderer]

117. It wasn't just a bad night. At SOTU, he read from teleprompter, but reporting at the time told us...

...he was problematic in what would normally be unscripted settings events. See for example this article from the Washington Post: https://archive.ph/KQEtb

The only chance Biden might have had is if he hit it out of the park on the next debate... but indications are that that was unlikely. So I think our chances did improve with Harris.

[brush]

119. Agreed about Harris. I still don't believe she lost every swing state.

[HereForTheParty]

2. Joe wasn't winning that election

nm

[valleyrogue]

6. Prove it. You can't. n/t

[beaglelover]

45. Correct. He should have bowed out in early 2023 so we could have had a fair primary season and nominated

someone who could beat Trump.

[Yavin4]

51. He should've announced right after the midterms in 2022 that he wasn't going to run.

Give all Democratic contenders enough time to assemble a staff and prepare for their run. Incredibly selfish. We have a major problem within the Democratic party with elderly leaders clinging to power until the very end. At some point, you have to make way for younger generations.

[The Revolution]

74. That's not just the Democrats

Look at McConnell or Grassley, for example.

[Ferryboat]

52. He said he would be the bridge to the next generation as 1 term president

1 and done. That what he said.

He could have worked the entire 4 years promoting next generation leadership. Set the stage for the future.

Instead we ended up with a intra party brawl that ended badly.
Those who voted D in 202O and didn't show up in 24. Well that's on them. They know who they are.

[DiamondShark]

55. That's the weird thing....

I don't remember either happening. Who reported Biden was "1 and done?"

[Midwestern Democrat]

58. Given that he was 78 in 2020, I certainly thought he would only serve one term - trying to serve as president

until the age of 86 is really, really, really pushing it.

[DiamondShark]

59. Are we really going down the path of age shaming?

Nice deflection though, back to the original question...

Who reported Biden was "1 and done?"

[Ferryboat]

124. During early primaries in a crowded field of candidates.

Have been a Biden supporter from his early days in politics.
Very glad he was president.
No age shaming here. 68 yo white guy who wants younger policitial figures for new times.


This subject of age shaming is a fine example of what drives reachable voters, many democrats into maga.

[MichMan]

82. He stated he was going to be a transitional administration

Many believed that meant he was planning on serving just one term before turning it over to VP Harris

[DiamondShark]

103. That is so odd...

almost unbelievable. Since Biden ran a campaign and had debated Trump in 2024, that clearly shows the opposite of being "1 and done."

I wonder if anyone was able to record Biden saying this on camera.

[MichMan]

125. Believe it or not

President Joe Biden on Tuesday said while he ran as a “transitional candidate” in the 2020 presidential race, the current political climate prompted his decision to run for reelection.

Biden’s candidacy has come under scrutiny following his dismal performance at the CNN debate late last month, where he fumbled answers and repeatedly appeared to lose his train of thought.

In an interview with BET News’ Ed Gordon, Biden defended his decision to pursue another term in the White House despite calls from about 20 members of his party for him to drop out and back a younger candidate.

“When I originally ran, you may remember, Ed, I said I was gonna be a transitional candidate, and I thought that I’d be able to move from this, just pass it on to someone else,” Biden said. “But I didn’t anticipate things getting so, so, so divided.”

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/biden-reluctant-to-exit-presidential-race_n_66979fb7e4b053ef7d6bfce7

[DiamondShark]

133. Interesting...

I wonder why he felt that way July 17th, 2024, when just one year prior in June 26th, 2023 the Huffington Post reported "Joe Biden's Team Unfazed By Democrats' Doubts About Him"
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-democratic-doubts-electability-age_n_64983cc0e4b007604cf9b01e

Then two days prior to your article on July 15th, 2024 the Huffington Post reported "A Combative Biden Pushes Back On Age Worries: ‘What's With You Guys?'"
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/biden-pushes-back-on-age-worries_n_6695c5d7e4b05fc968757ac7

What may have led President Joe Biden to become the "transitional candidate" in just two days? Care to shed some light on that?

[MichMan]

134. It was a statement he made in 2020

This election cycle he decided to run for another term. I believe he thought Trump would be in jail, disqualified from running, or rejected in the primary. When that didn't materialize, Biden thought only he was the one that could possibly defeat him in an election.

[DiamondShark]

136. Okie Dokie.

[Polybius]

67. All depends on how the second debate would have went

I think it was planned for August.

[qazplm135]

77. There's nothing to indicate

It would have gone any better.

[Polybius]

83. I know

Sadly, you are correct.

[muriel_volestrangler]

118. VP Harris immediately did better than President Biden in polls

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationwide_opinion_polling_for_the_2024_United_States_presidential_election

I'm surprised at this attempt to resurrect Democratic divides; it's not as if President Biden has been active in the resistance since Jan 20th. I see nothing to say he'd have been able to magically take the fight to Trump up to November, when it's not happening now.

[MichMan]

135. You can't prove he would have won either....

[New Breed Leader]

25. Yes he was, handily

[lame54]

99. Aren't you in the same boat? Nice avatar

[Irish_Dem]

3. Putin/Musk/Trump stole the election. Didn't matter which Dem ran.

[Ritabert]

81. You're right. Trump virtually admitted it.

[Demsrule86]

95. I wish I could believe this election was stolen but I don't.

Biden was forced out and we lost...anytime we mess with incumbents...we lose.

[ZRB]

123. It's painful to lose but lose we did

There is zero evidence that all these Dem-controlled states had votes flipped. There is tons of evidence that we have an electorate loaded with racist, sexist morons. Claiming theft lets them off the hook for their idiocy.

[yellow dahlia]

130. Exactly. That is the bottom line.

And my fear is that until people realize this, "we" won't be able to figure out how to protect the next elections.

[berksdem]

4. Joe would have lost as well.

[valleyrogue]

7. Wrong. nt

[FBaggins]

15. Correct...

… he would have lost far worse.

The house wouldn’t have been in reach for 2026 and the only question in the senate for ‘26 would have been whether republicans would get to a filibuster-proof majority.

[berksdem]

144. Solid analysis

[New Breed Leader]

21. NO HE WOULD NOT HAVE LOST

FOH with that bullshit

[RJ-MacReady]

22. Yes he would have

He would have lose blue states like NJ and VA for example.

[New Breed Leader]

23. WRONG

He would've won in a landslide, Biden was a great president despite his age

[RJ-MacReady]

24. i wish that were the case

But that's simply not reality.

[EdmondDantes_]

37. He didn't win in a landslide with covid

His campaign internal polls had him losing in a landslide and he had one of the worst debate performances in history. What's the logic behind claiming he would win in a landslide?

[Polybius]

68. Landslide?

His approval was in the high 30's in November. No sitting President with approval that low has ever won reelection, let alone landslide.

For the record, I didn't want him to drop out. It was too late.

[Melon]

102. Did you not look at his approval ratings...

A change had to be made. It simply wasn’t early enough. He had clearly visible cognitive decline.

[Demsrule86]

104. You fail to understand Biden's ties to the rustbelt. He could have won if Democrats

had stood by him...history tells us every time you fuck with a sitting incumbent president in an election, you lose. Of course, once the backstabbing was over and Biden withdrew, I supported our new team. I like Kamala very much, but deep down I didn't think she would win...I hoped to God I was wrong, but I wasn't

[spooky3]

127. VA isn't really fully blue just yet.

Sadly, enough rubes turned out to put phony vest Youngkin in the governor’s seat.

I’m hopeful that we will keep moving in a blue direction.

[claudette]

29. I agree

I thought the polls indicated that

[Demsrule86]

96. I think he had a chance...but we doomed ourselves by forcing him out.

[bigtree]

5. they're so happy that they're now trying to force both Democratic leaders in Congress out

...weeks into the session.

Even though Schumer presided over the American Rescue Plan, the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act, CHIPS and Science Act, the PACT Act, a more than quarter-trillion-dollar expansion of veteran healthcare that opened up care options for service members exposed to toxic burn pits or other chemicals, and the Inflation Reduction Act, establishing the Office of Gun Violence Prevention, advancing the largest gun-safety bill to pass Congress in nearly 30 years - as well as helping establish the Violence Against Women Act, and the Brady Bill.

[Takket]

9. Schumer was a great leader for sane, Democracy driven times

These are no longer sane, democracy driven times.

[yardwork]

40. Schumer was never a "great" leader.

He was an ok leader in easier times. But he forced out Al Franken over nothing. Chuck's not a fighter.

[valleyrogue]

10. Not to mention if it were not for him,

the SS Fairness Act would have never, ever become law. He deserves the lion's share of the credit for getting that legislation voted on the Senate floor. People like Hatch and McConnell singlehandedly barred any repeal legislation of WEP and GPO.

[Takket]

8. Why do you ask? Because you think he would have won?

[valleyrogue]

14. Why do you think he wouldn"t other than the media told you to think

he couldn't?

[SheltieLover]

11. FELON would've stolen it for F45 no matter which Dem ran

Jmo

[orangecrush]

41. Yup

[Meowmee]

122. I wonder because they tried obviously with B in 2020 as well on some level

He was too high up in the polls in advance and that gave him the advantage even with the pre- election drop.

[tman]

12. I don't think we can have an honest discussion about Biden and his decision to run in '24.

But all data pointed to him losing big, especially after that debate.

[valleyrogue]

16. He was sabotaged from within.

I love it when people rewrite history.

It appears most people on this site have trouble counting. They also don't put the blame where it belongs, on the Republican Party.

You think the Democrats could shut down the government and not get blamed for it? Really? In what world?

[we can do it]

93. Dems could have stepped up and defended his reccord right then but didn't.

Immediately trashed him.

[demmiblue]

17. These types of posts are pointless. And weird. n/t

[Rebl2]

31. I agree

[stoned]

50. Let them hash it out

It exposes the insanity. The party needs to know what kind of stuff it needs to work on, and this is a prime example. We not only need to fix our own party, but we need to do better at courting the centrists. Honesty would go a long way to that end, no matter how brutal or uncomfortable.

[Buckeyeblue]

19. I just wish he had dropped out in the fall of 2023

[we can do it]

64. That would have been the way to go, pushing him out 4 month's before election was not.

[Buckeyeblue]

75. Even with around the clock coverage it takes time to frame your message

Without the benefit of a primary to test different messages, you're basically throwing spaghetti against the wall hoping something sticks.

The only thing we could have done differently is to nominate someone with some big time star power, like Michelle Obama or some other celebrity.

[Demsrule86]

105. History tell us incumbency wins elections...every time we lose

I would remind you that Johnson stepped aside and Richard Nixon won two god damn terms.

[New Breed Leader]

20. I don't

I wish everyone who plunged a knife in Joe's back know nothing fucking MISERY for the next four years

[XanaDUer2]

43. Clooney and his wife will be peachy

I was disgusted by the backstabbing of an amaz8ng President.

[we can do it]

66. Me too. An awful way to treat a kind human who was very effective.

[DiamondShark]

70. The trolls shouldn't get off lightly.

[Demsrule86]

106. Clooney and his wife are now separated.

[RoeVWade]

26. I think it was the people around Biden who did us no favors. Tell it straight to your own, because it does no one any

good if you don't.

[Walleye]

27. I love Joe Biden like he's a member of my family. But I hate this second-guessing.

Could’ve would’ve should’ve. It’s magical thinking, any 12-year-old can tell you what you should’ve done once it’s all over. I don’t see the point in rehashing these bad feelings.

[FarPoint]

28. I still tip the scale at the election was stolen.

I do not believe tRump won.....

[Nanjeanne]

30. Oh please. That's not the issue.

[New Breed Leader]

32. Some of ya'lls backs must be aching real bad from moving those goalposts

NOW it's "Biden was never going to win" as a justification for turning on him last year.

Yeah that's right I see straight thru that bullshit excuse

Here's the real REALITY: Joe was poised to wipe the floor with Trump in November, despite everything. Joe brought this country back from the fucking brink, and you know it. But we listened to fucking GEORGE CLOONEY who apparently has some kind of expertise in these kinds of things, and now, well, here we are.

If believing that Joe never had a chance helps you feel less pain for the hell that's coming your way, then so be it. But the REALITY IS...Joe was the best president we ever fucking had, and I don't give a flying fuck if all he did was stutter all day long. The man's mind was sharp and he knew what he was doing.

[claudette]

33. It was the

debate that turned the tide for him. I love him too but he seemed truly worn out from working so hard

[XanaDUer2]

42. This

Clap.

[BannonsLiver]

73. Wow. I guess the other side doesn't own reality detachment.

“Wipe the floor with Trump”

Bless your heart.

[qazplm135]

79. Nothing there is reality based

.

[RoeVWade]

34. I'm way more sad that a bunch of idiots, conmen, crooks, and ignorant voted for a man like Trump. PERIOD.

Joe Biden would have been better, or Kamala or a whole number of people not Trump or Trumpers.

[William769]

35. Best OP so far today.

[we can do it]

86. ✌🏼

[yardwork]

36. I doubt that anyone on DU had any say in the matter.

[lindysalsagal]

38. No. Wrong. Blaming the dems doesn't help anyone but the GOP. Covid and maga are to blame.

Our party needs younger candidates, no question. But Harris didn't lose it for us. She was a perfect candidate. It was still the best move to make. Young female voters sat out, and latinos voted for the orangutan. Not Harris' fault.

[we can do it]

97. I love Kamala and worked my butt off for her.

She did not have enough time to campaign, though she did an amazing job. Absolutely not her fault, and I think we’ve lost the chance for her as prez in the future. Anyone who listened to what she had to say instead of the propaganda should have voted for her.

[LeftInTX]

143. Yes. I didn't want Kamala's future ruined by

a campaign. I wanted her to run in 2028.
The odds were against her winning.
Nevertheless the campaign was outstanding, given the circumstances
Still, if Biden lost, then Kamala would have been in the wings for 2028.

[indusurb]

39. Oh lord are we going to rehash thisagain and agin?

We don't have the luxury of such navel gazing, Shit's coming down fast and furious, and we have to be in the NOW, the present to deal with it. There is no point in wallowing in what ifs and may have beens. Deal with the present and the future, and let the past be, well history.

[Phoenix61]

44. Joe should have won and if ability and

accomplishments were what counted he would have won but those things no longer seem to matter.

[RoeVWade]

46. Anyone who would choose Trump over Biden or Kamala wasn't a sane and sure vote anyway, IMO.

nt*

[Bluestocking]

47. Now we know

Well now we know if the Democratic Party wants to win a presidential election the candidate has to be male.

[pattyloutwo]

48. Many times he lost his train of thought

It wasn’t plausible any longer. Watching our country get destroyed is taking its toll on us. We start to blame each other. We have to remember who we’re fighting against

[Johonny]

49. Dont worry they have already moved on

To losing strategies for 2026 and 2028 such as letd toss the transgender community under the bus or lets pretend to be a bros by inviting Charlie Kirk in to get to know him.

I favor the a democratic candidate that stops listening to the people that knew Biden was going to lose and we had a deep bench and 4 months was plenty of time. That clearly was a fantasy.

[jmbar2]

53. Sheldon Whitehouse reminded Democrats, "Don't form a circular firing squad".

It's one of the weaknesses he sees in Dems when we are under stress. Infighting destroys the unity that we need moving forward.

[Autumn]

54. Time to get over it. Elected Democrats and Democratic leadership wanted Biden gone.

When they all went after him the writing was on the wall. It wasn't people here, people here followed the will of the Democratic party.

[Demsrule86]

108. I will never get over it. People will die because of such actions.

[Autumn]

115. Then live with it. That's your burden to bear. There are those of us who followed the Democratic party

and I feel , nor do I share any guilt about what happened. It was their fuck up. It was not a fuck up by the people here who did as they asked us to do.

[Kaleva]

56. The mood here went from doom and gloom to excited

[LizBeth]

57. Biden would not have won and by less... So this is not the call out you think it is.

[Demsrule86]

110. That is just not true...Biden had a special relationship with the rustbelt...which Kamala

as great as she is did not have...being from California didn't help. People here (I live in Ohio) don't trust California folks. I know how ridiculous it is but, it's true. Biden could have won.

[LizBeth]

112. Nah... he couldn't

[dwayneb]

120. Yep I agree

[Blue Owl]

60. Would this be a good time to start a Merrick Garland Appreciation thread?

Asking for a friend…..

[BluenFLA]

61. Back in 84

There were grumblings that Reagan was too old and he flopped badly in his first debate with Mondale. Did the Republicans force him out? Nope, they rallied around him and he recovered in time for his next debate and won in a landslide. Think about that.

[Polybius]

69. There are differences though

73 vs 81 is one big one. Plus in 1984, most Americans still thought Reagan was sharp. He was still able to make people laugh and trick them.

[PufPuf23]

132. Reagan was never sharp except as an actor.

Biden was sharp and was still sharp of mind despite his age.

[Polybius]

142. That's what I said about Reagan

He was able to trick them. As for your other comment, true or not, the vast majority of the public didn't believe that.

[Crunchy Frog]

138. Mondale was not Trump.

He didn't have the ruthless drive to power, nor did he have the personality cult or base of support.

Reagan was extremely popular and could afford to flop in a debate with someone like Mondale.

The two situations are really not comparable.

[Initech]

63. I still contend that debate was a setup and a hit job.

Trump's team got the questions ahead of time and he wouldn't shut up. The election was rigged from the beginning.

[Polybius]

72. Even if he did, it wouldn't explain Biden's performance

I love Biden, but "we finally beat Medicare" was a huge gaffe. Trump's response was "he did beat Medicaid, beat it to death and he's destroying Medicare." That unfortunately was the end right there.

[Initech]

76. Trump's response was that he didn't shut the fuck up.

He just literally talked over Biden the whole time, and his base swooned over it, and Fox News couldn't wait to kiss every single square inch of his ass. It's totally disgusting.

[Polybius]

88. I saw a video comparing Biden's 2012 and 2024 debates

The differences are staggering.

[GreenWave]

65. DeJoy slow walking the mail in votes in Big Blue Cities...

Musk having advanced intel on voting machines in battleground states? Remember those "audits" which meant taking the machines away from supervision?

[BannonsLiver]

71. Hoo boy.

We’re going to relitigate that? GMAFB.

[Demsrule86]

84. I said that at the time. I was against replacing Biden...we should of rallied around him.

I believe it cost us the election...not because Kamala isn't wonderful. She would have been a wonderful president. But first it was too late in the election season and secondly I am saddened beyond words to say this. But I doubt we shall see a woman president in my lifetime.

[moonscape]

128. And I m saddened beyond words to say this:

I doubt we shall see another Democratic president in my lifetime.

[Shrek]

85. Which demographic didn't vote for Harris but would have voted for Biden?

If it even exists, was it large enough to swing the election?

[Progressive dog]

91. Trump might have won anyway

but it's too late to go back now. I imagine we will have a number of books trying to explain why Trump won, assuming that censorship doesn't prevent it.

[Demsrule86]

92. The bottom line is everytime we screw with a sitting president, we lose.

Only three incumbent presidents have lost in decades...Jimmy Carter, Bush I and Trump. Before that we had the Johnson who was pushed out and we still lost. Nixon kept the war going until 73.

[ZRB]

98. He stays in, we lose dozens more House seats and a handful more in the Senate, plus governorships.

The polls were what they were, no matter how unfair. The voting population just isn't that bright.

[Demsrule86]

114. That is untrue...we will never know of course...but history tells us incumbents almost always

win and screwing with an incumbent causes a general election loss.

[ZRB]

121. You may be right

Sadly the gamble failed and we will never know. Hard to imagine his trend line could have improved much in the time remaining, however.

[H2O Man]

100. I hope that everyone

here is happy. Except for trolls, that is. But all of the good people, even if they hold opinions that are very different than mine.

[JanMichael]

107. I wish that he would have kept his 1 term insinuation.

Then we really might not be in this mess.

But he had the "I and I alone can do it" syndrome that a SC justice had.

Neither worked out well to say the least.

[radius777]

140. Agree. And Joe likely would've lost by wider margins than Kamala did,

which at least allowed us to win 4 Senate seats in states that Trump won (MI, NV, AZ, WI) and not get wiped out in the House, where the R's have a razor thin margin.

[LeftInTX]

113. It wasn't DU as much as it was DNC types, PACs and major donors.

[mike_c]

116. cough! cough! Bernie Sanders cough!

[canetoad]

126. You're expending

A lot of energy clinging to the past. It happened and all your accusations will not change a thing.

What is worse, you're trying to make other DUers feel bad, guilty. What's the point?

[doc03]

129. After reading most of the replies what is the point of having this

argument. Biden dropped out and Harris lost that is history. It is a waste of time hashing over
something in the past. The current leadership in Congress is living in the past thinking we have
to try and work with the Republicans. You can't work with a party that has a goal of destroying
democracy. Sorry Schumer and Jeffries just don't inspire any confidence in their leadership. They have got to go.

[ecstatic]

131. really? that's who's to blame?!

[moonscape]

137. I haven't read this long thread so

forgive if this is a rehash but … this isn’t how I recall things going down at all.

How I remember it is after the disastrous debate, as pressure started to build, most here (including me) were incensed! Most of us wanted Biden to stay in, for donors et al to rally behind him, circle the wagons around our great president.

Once Biden dropped out, within days it seems, electricity started to build, within a week the polls started moving, fundraisers were happening among one group after another, excitement started building, and those of us who had thought Biden should stay in, that he was our only hope, started admitting we had been wrong, that the mood was lighter, more optimistic.

You may correct my memory, it’s not always the best, but based on how I recall things any general DU scolding re wanting Biden forced out seems quite off the mark.

[artemisia1]

139. No, the problem with the election is that Fascism appeals to a large enough portion of the voting population to elect

someone like Trump. VP Harris ran a solid campaign.

[pinkstarburst]

141. Joe should have announced he wasn't running after the midterms

and allowed for a full primary. Kamala Harris may still have emerged as the candidate, but we needed that enthusiasm and momentum to get the party engaged. A huge issue is that the Rs turn out and vote every time in rabid numbers. They don't switch sides. We keep hyper focusing on trying to change the minds of a few republican independents when honestly, that isn't going to happen. They're going to vote republican. Our problem is our voters don't show up on election day. We need to get our voters engaged. We would have been better served if Joe had dropped out early in order to have a full primary.

There was no way he was coming back after that disastrous debate. He had spent too long avoiding the cameras and staying out of the public eye and not speaking publicly and for all the "Joe Biden is senile and losing his mind" and "86 is too old to be president" stuff that was getting tossed around, it was disastrous. I don't believe he's senile or losing his mind. I think he had a bad night, doesn't debate well in general, and is slowing down some, but still gets the job done, but Trump had a great night, and the appearance was that Joe was too far gone, not sharp, and Trump was quick as a whip. It was a disaster.

[Torchlight]

145. I think pointing fingers often provides us a sense of accomplishment.

But not much else.