There were no good options with the choices that the Democrats had in the Senate on the CR, that wasn't the point.

[JohnSJ]

The base was looking for some actual UNIFED push back from the Democrats in Congress against this authoritative regime, and they failed miserably.

All they had to do was show that they were tired of the lawless abusive administration, and they couldn't even do that.

What would have happened if the government shut down?

People affected would start screaming.

Would that have moved the rethugs in Congress to work with the Democrats? Probably not, but what it would have done is got the attention of the public that something very wrong was happening.

We should have been following the example of the Civil Rights movement.

If Rosa Parks had moved to the back of the bus when told to sit in the "back of the bus", or African Americans didn't sit at segregated lunch counters, etc. does anyone really believe that the Civil Rights abuses would have stopped on their own?

The problem isn't that there was no good options, the problem was we didn't demonstrate that we were willing to fight, and that is pathetic, to give up before you even start.

Even if they only did it for a few days, in those few days they could have gotten out and explained to the public why this was being done.

There will be a price for this, just as there was a price for those who refused to vote for VP Harris on November 5.

Just saying that we are doing this because it will hurt people more if we didn't, doesn't cut it. Maybe it is time that a few people are affected by this so they understand the abusiveness that the cult they call the republican party is doing

[Docreed2003]

1. K&R

Agree completely. People are angry and want to see a unified resistance to the present situation. These aren't normal times and traditional politics isn't going to cut it any longer.

[NotHardly]

30. THIS

[William769]

2. You are absolutley correct.

Thank you for saying it better than I ever could.

[valleyrogue]

3. Shutting down the government would have hurt Democrats, not the GOP.

This isn't a dog-and-pony show where we have fiery rhetoric from junior politicians.

Too many people are confusing style with substance.

[stopdiggin]

8. +1. the "show 'em we're mad as hell!" routine

makes for great TV (kinda' depending on whether you're impressed with that sort of thing)

but Congress' job is really to pass legislation ...

[Emile]

9. If what you say is true, why didn't the majority party

shut her down?

[JohnSJ]

11. It would have affected everyone. What do you think will happen when this happens again?

republicans are already saying they don’t need Democrats to pass anything.

[Emile]

37. This +1

[sagetea]

27. Just a question for you

Have you ever been bullied? Been in an abusive relationship?

What it feels like in this country right now is abuse, A bully is in charge and is gaslighting, manipulating, being cruel to people just for the sake of it, 'Because they can"

I, personally, have been bullied by male people, been abused by male people, manipulated into doing things I didn't want to do, been beaten so bad that I had to go to the ER. I thought if I just appeased the perp., it would get better, but it didn't, it only got worse.

now, look at the Dems. We've been socially, nationally, publically beaten, gaslit, manipulated, and now comes the 'appeasement' in a bully/abusive relationships, will only ever get worse.

The Felon, was and is going to make our collective lives worse, in every way, no matter how that vote happened. Since they (we) are appeasing them, they will (like before) believe they have total power over us, BECAUSE we gave up and gave in. The abuse that will happen now, will only get worse, because the abuser now thinks he as not only permission to beat us, but he thinks, because we gave him permission, will do his worse, just to see if we live through it.

I know this because I have lived through immense abuse, only now, it is not just one woman, it is every woman, every child, every man, that will be abused with the permission from those who gave him permission to.

[NotHardly]

31. I disagree strongly with your assumptions.

[Celerity]

36. disagree nt

[stopdiggin]

4. it still amounts to argung for a shutdown

And in the process dishing out enormous pain ...

The idea of stoking a fire (or outrage, or 'movement' ) - by means of deliberately causing injury ...
Is a difficult one for many.

Which really does leave us in the place of arguing the lesser of evils - (or minimization of same?)
And, personally - I can't say as I see the 'messaging' being real good here - regardless of the option chosen.

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[GreenWave]

5. Repugs did not cross the aisle. Not in the House or Senate, No democratic input.

Then House went to recess.

[Silent Type]

6. If the base needs rallying then we are indeed in trouble. Personally, at this point we should be focusing on winning

in midterms. To me that means concentrating on the 5% or so who voted for trump who might convert to Dems. I think a shutdown would have hurt us there.

Again, if we have to worry about appeasing the base on a complex matter like this, we're beat.

[Demsrule86]

14. This sort of thing affects voting in a terrible way...people think why even bother.

Increasingly people don't vote. I always vote. This feels like betrayal...you think that people who lose their health care and money for food will believe us after we promise to do better for them? WE need new leadership ASAP.

[Timewas]

7. Collusion

A small sect of so called democrats colluded with the president and repugs to just plain fuck over the majority of people. There is no other way to look at it.

[stopdiggin]

10. the option was either a CR - or a shutdown

which one was going to 'F over' the majority of people? You saw a winning option on the table here?

[Demsrule86]

15. I don't believe there would have been a shut down and even so Trump would have been blamed.

I think a temporary bill would have passed...but we gave away the store...it was no continuing resolution. It contained spending cuts and It helped Musk.

[stopdiggin]

17. we were within hours of a shutdown

Time had run out. There most certainly was going to be a shutdown. (and the certain headlines and turmoil attendant) The only question left would have been how long lasting - and the manner in which the shutdown would have been rolled out and executed. You're liking the Donald or Musk for that job?

[Timewas]

16. No winners

Except the rethugs, either option was a loser but at least they could have put up a battle and stayed true to their so called beliefs.. They folded, no other words for they might have had to deal with a short shut down as as happened before but they also maybe would have gotten some changes in it...

Everything they supposedly thought they were stopping will happen anyway probably much worse.

[CountMyVote4Reality]

21. There was no Continuing Resolution of the original House budget.

It was a whole new budget with extreme cuts created with zero Democratic input by the House GOP. Obviously pre-approved by TSF.

[stopdiggin]

38. it was what was on the table - for an up or down vote - at zero hour

plain and simple.
You either vote for this, or you vote for shutdown.

[Demsrule86]

12. This bill is bad...it enables Musk and people will literally die.

I am so angry about it...feels like betrayal...as for Schumer's book tour . I hope he fails miserably and we need new leadership.

[H2O Man]

13. Recommended.

Very well said.

[wryter2000]

18. Oh, great

Let's make some people suffer so we can make our point.

Does your title say "no good options"? That's not what I read in your post.

[twodogsbarking]

19. I have to sit this one out. My wish would be a governtment shut-up, not shut-down.

This all sucks so picking what sucks least is a crap shoot.

[Nanjeanne]

20. The base had a unified push back. Schumer and 8 Dems and 1 Ind chose to ignore the majority of the Senate Democrats

and the entire House Democrats. That's really a bad look for Democrats and pretty much tyranny of the minority. "Leader" Schumer decided he knew more than the Senate Democrats and went his own way.

[Turbineguy]

22. Why blame the Democratic congress members?

Voters elected the republicans in the majority. They deserve the blame.

[Emile]

39. I don't get why democrats would blame their

minority party for a republican majority shutdown. I saw Republicans using that talking point.

The entire country knows Republicans have a congressional majority.

[Erda]

23. I think Senator Schumer has been around the block enough times to understand

The stakes in this fight. He is no turncoat. He understands the ruthlessness of the enemy.

In his interview with Chris Hayes he told us there would be no off ramp if the government shut down and there would be no protections either, because the courts could close. Workers could be severely cut as non-essential as part of the shutdown because there would be no money to pay them and the courts would not be able to order them back to work due to illegal firing. Trump/Musk and their disgusting associates could accomplish far worse during a shutdown than if the government remained open.

Please analyze his reasoning before judging him and determine if you agree or disagree.

Personally, I think he is correct.

[Emile]

40. IMO, I think he provided cover for the centrists.

[relayerbob]

24. The GQP had another option

They could revoke the 60 vote requirement straight up, they had their 52 votes. Doing that would have set the precedent for the Democrats doing it in the future though. We should have forced them into the cornet of shutting it all down, or triggering "The nuclear option".

[JohnSJ]

25. I suspect that is exactly what they would have done.

[relayerbob]

32. I've little doubt

And it would've been the better choice for us

[Frasier Balzov]

26. What raised consciousness during the civil rights movement?

Non-violent demonstrators getting beaten, bitten and hosed.

Rosa Parks being CONVICTED of disorderly conduct.

Back then, the federal government acted at least somewhat like an ally of the movement.

Today, except for some federal judges who are willing to have their pay turned off by Trump, the rest of the government is being purged of any allies.

Who among us has the patience and strength of character to walk the path of non-violent enlightenment?

[SSJVegeta]

28. Authoritarian regime.

[Cirsium]

29. Amazing

Before the closure vote: "stopping the CR will hurt more people than letting it go through! Think about the people who will be hurt!"

So, appease the right wing monsters so they don't hurt us.

After the closure vote: "maybe it's time people were hurt. It's time the people learned a hard lesson."

So, let the right wing monsters hurt us so the people who voted for them will suffer.

[JohnSJ]

34. Everyone will be hurt.

[-misanthroptimist]

33. Totally agree

I would have been affected by a shutdown -less than some, more than most. Even so, I 100% supported a filibuster and the subsequent shutdown. There was a lot more at stake than my personal problems.

Now, chances are good that I'll still encounter most or all of those problems...only now with no chance of Congress addressing them.

[JohnSJ]

35. I agree.