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defacto7

(14,162 posts)
Sat Mar 15, 2025, 05:56 PM Mar 2025

The Jolt

I was thinking today about how the new administration in all its forms and contortions has affected, even jolted everyone in this country in one way or another. Centibillionaires have lost billions, Billionaires have lost millions, multimillionaires their hundreds-of-thousands, the list continues. Families have been torn apart, some families have disappeared altogether, people have died in custody and many are lost to the aethers it seems. The stability of the nation, even the world is under attack as stalwart fixtures of unity are shattered in a moment of ego. Our sanity is being shaken while life long trust in the securities our nation provides are fired upon by mindless human weapons of mass deception. Comfort, well-being and the pursuit of happiness are quickly becoming the gated community of the few as liberty is dismembered and re-categorized into multiple non-existent definitions, and adjectives must validate a variable concept of freedom. In our new paradigm friends become enemies, enemies become bed-mates, war becomes a beachfront casino, people become compost, blood becomes currency. The future of life itself may be defined by the following: productive - therefore valuable, insignificant - but possibly utilitarian, and nugatory - therefore expendable like a child with cancer who threatens US border security and dogs of valor that can go hungry to save the US from catastrophic economic calamity.

I like to walk to the market instead of driving. Actually I mostly walk everywhere these days. There's this guy I pass almost every time who sits at the corner with his dog Dammit and I make a habit of stopping, sometimes sitting to chat. He's, I'd say, about 70, he's homeless and his name is Vince. Toothless, he always smiles and laughs boldfaced when I see him and tells Dammit to greet me, her tail lashing like her slobbering tongue. Yesterday while we sat and watched shoppers drive passed, I asked him, "How's the world treating you, Vince?" He replied, "Great, just fine, no worries." We don't talk politics. I figure he needs more support than argument so I never go there. I don't know what his politics is, never asked. Anyway, I just blurted out, "So you're not feeling overwhelmed or anything?"
"Overwhelmed by what?"
"All the changes going on."
"Things are always changing."
"And you just keep doing what you do?"
"Yep. I don't have nothing, I don't want nothing."
"Why?"
"If you don't have nothing, you got nothing to lose. I've got my dog, though. I worry about losing her. But people are kind. Sometimes we have a place to go sometimes we don't. I just like to laugh, she likes to dance and we're okay."

I remember my father telling me a similar story. When I was a boy I asked him if the depression was hard for him. He said, "It was hard for many. But me, not in the least. I didn't lose anything because I had nothing to lose." This seems to be a way of living that just isn't in the mind of the modern capitalist culture, to live without stuff. I've thought about it over the years, what my dad said, and now I hear it again from Vince 60 years later. I was lucky to have had a good career, gathered a few things and a little money. But I've tried to live my life like none of that matters, like no stuff I own has any actual value to me. I think people have value. Friends have value. My family has value. Children with cancer have value. Dogs of valor and all animals have value. Our country has value. Countries who have always stood beside us have value. Humans under siege have value. Liberty and freedom have value. Nature has value. Vince and Dammit and all the others like them have value. Losing these would be tragic.

But the stuff? The stuff that obsesses the minds of oppressors and is the fantasy of the ignorant? I don't lose sleep over it.

D7


I'd put this in the Philosophy Forum if it was still a thing. But I guess I'll have to drop it here.

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The Jolt (Original Post) defacto7 Mar 2025 OP
I have lots of things that I love and are worth fighting for biophile Mar 2025 #1
I with you! defacto7 Mar 2025 #3
Leave this right here malaise Mar 2025 #2
You're so kind, malaise. defacto7 Mar 2025 #4
This hit me malaise Mar 2025 #5
It sort of hit me too when I put it down. defacto7 Mar 2025 #8
The who should have freedom remains the problem malaise Mar 2025 #9
Good post canetoad Mar 2025 #6
Thanks canetoad. Yeah we can get more and lose more. No big deal. defacto7 Mar 2025 #7
Stuff is just stuff malaise Mar 2025 #10
Do you have Aldi in Jamaica? canetoad Mar 2025 #11
Thankfully no malaise Mar 2025 #12

biophile

(1,306 posts)
1. I have lots of things that I love and are worth fighting for
Sat Mar 15, 2025, 06:24 PM
Mar 2025

Especially my animals- but few things are more important than the future of my daughter and grandson. I’ll fight for that even if I lose material things.

defacto7

(14,162 posts)
3. I with you!
Sat Mar 15, 2025, 06:49 PM
Mar 2025

My family is everything. Animals, nature, forest, ocean, my dogs, they're the world to me. I'd like to have grand-kids.

malaise

(294,199 posts)
5. This hit me
Sat Mar 15, 2025, 08:06 PM
Mar 2025

Last edited Sun Mar 16, 2025, 06:54 AM - Edit history (1)

Comfort, well-being and the pursuit of happiness are quickly becoming the gated community of the few as liberty is dismembered and re-categorized into multiple non-existent definitions, and adjectives must validate a variable concept of freedom.

defacto7

(14,162 posts)
8. It sort of hit me too when I put it down.
Sat Mar 15, 2025, 09:53 PM
Mar 2025

We either have liberty or we don't. We have freedom or we don't. There are no sub-categories, the words can't be plural. Timothy Snyder has a powerful essay on the subject.

malaise

(294,199 posts)
9. The who should have freedom remains the problem
Sun Mar 16, 2025, 06:57 AM
Mar 2025

To adapt a famous quote, until the philosophy that holds one group superior and all others inferior…this madness will continue.

canetoad

(20,408 posts)
6. Good post
Sat Mar 15, 2025, 08:14 PM
Mar 2025

A couple of times in my life, i've sold up and moved; to another town, another state. I tell myself, "If I don't like it, I can come back." And indeed I did, one time.

Stuff is just stuff. You can always get more stuff.

defacto7

(14,162 posts)
7. Thanks canetoad. Yeah we can get more and lose more. No big deal.
Sat Mar 15, 2025, 08:42 PM
Mar 2025

Sometimes I wonder what it is that makes people put so much value on stuff, fight over it in court or with neighbors or family members? I have odds and ends I like, some convenience things too. But most things I just don't need let alone worry about losing them to the point of anxiety. I'd give it all away in a moment rather than cherish things that aren't natural and alive.

malaise

(294,199 posts)
10. Stuff is just stuff
Sun Mar 16, 2025, 07:02 AM
Mar 2025

One of my siblings gave me a lovely tote bag years ago. It has a barely visible ink spot. Another siblings thought I should throw it away and buy a new one. I have several other bags but this one is all purpose and convenient. The obsession with the latest stuff will destroy all of us.

canetoad

(20,408 posts)
11. Do you have Aldi in Jamaica?
Sun Mar 16, 2025, 03:27 PM
Mar 2025

I do most of my food shopping there but am disturbed by their 'specials' which consist of many plastic 'utensils' and a load of niche appliances to make things I've never even heard of. The charity shops are full of them after they're discarded - people think they are a good idea at the time .... you know the story.

In general I think Aldi is great, but they should get rid of some of this plastic garbage. I don't know if this is done elsewhere, but many people in town, when they want to get rid of something, they put it out the front for anyone to take. I've had some great scores like this - and also disposed of a lot of STUFF.

Stuff will kill ya


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malaise

(294,199 posts)
12. Thankfully no
Sun Mar 16, 2025, 03:42 PM
Mar 2025

We’ve done surprisingly well with the bans on lots of plastic stuff. Plastic shopping bags are mostly gone as are many of the plastic utensils and plates.

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