Bernie demonstrates how to speak to a MAGA. I implore you to watch and learn.

[Yavin4]

You don't talk to Charlie Kirk or Steve Bannon or Michael Savage. You don't talk to high paid MAGA racists to try to win them over in a debate. You don't invoke Ronald Reagan. You don't talk about bi-partisanship.

You do none of that. You talk directly to the people. And you talk about their economic struggles directly. This is how Democratic politics have to be done in this dark age.

[Walleye]

1. "Tax breaks" there's another semantic trick. What they mean is defund the United States government.

Excellent speech and interview by Bernie. I’m glad he brought up the life expectancy situation. If you make more money, you will live longer. That is fucking obscene.

[stoned]

2. I listen to Bernie

at 1.5x to get the fullest effect. Its awesome!

[Uncle Joe]

3. Kicked and recommended

Thanks for the thread Yavin.

[Yavin4]

4. Thanks. I'm getting tired of seeing defense of appeasement politics.

Appeasement, cooperation, bi-partisanship does not work when dealing with Fascists.

[SunSeeker]

5. I watched that whole thing and I didn't see a single "BERNIE FLIPS MAGA!"

You "implored" me, so I watched the whole 13 minute video. You lost a lot of credibility with me.

I saw your standard Bernie stump speech and him getting interviewed by Anderson Cooper on CNN. That's it. I didn't see him talk to a single MAGAt. MAGAts don't go to Bernie rallies and they don't watch CNN. So how the fuck is anything he's saying reaching Trump's MAGA base, let alone flipping it?

This video was posted by a no-name YouTuber with a clickbait headline hoping to get subscribers. That guy in the MAGA hat featured in the video thumbnail is nowhere in the video itself. Nor is any other MAGAt. That's very dishonest.

Meanwhile, the guy you have been on a tear bashing, Governor Newsom, actually had MAGAts listening to his podcast because he had their guys on. They actually heard Newsom say California only has higher taxes on the rich, not the working class, and that we have greater opportunities than other states because of that.

How about you stop bashing Democrats? Bashing Dems is certainly not going to "FLIP MAGA."

[Yavin4]

6. Did you not hear the call and response that he did with the crowd?

Did you not see how he interacted with MAGA voters? I'm not the one bashing Democrats. It's Gavin Newsom that bashed Democrats, not me.

[pnwmom]

11. How do you know they were MAGA voters? I have relatives in red states who aren't MAGA voters

and might be happy to attend a rally with Bernie.

[questionseverything]

23. lol, so now we have to prove who voted for who before people can listen

Enjoy the camps….

[SunSeeker]

27. "Enjoy the camps"?! What a horrible thing to say to say to a DUer.

What is it that you contend we're "not listening" to?

[questionseverything]

32. Your hatred of Bernie makes people upset and drives them off

You seem to feel the poster did the same about newsom

These 2 guy’s views are so closely aligned that it’s crazy for 2 democrats to be degrading the other one’s views…. But evidently that’s where we are

Better i say a “ terrible “ thing now than end up there later


Btw I support what gavin and Bernie are doing and wish every democratic politician would find their way to fight back

[SunSeeker]

36. WTF. I don't hate Bernie. I hate clickbait, which is what this video is.

I am not "degrading" Bernie's views. Where the fuck did you get that? I already said in this thread that I agree with what Bernie is saying.

Telling an ally to "enjoy" the camps is not going to prevent us from "ending up there later." We're already there. We have camps right now.

Both you and I support what both Gavin and Bernie are doing. The OP does not support what Gavin is doing. And I too wish every Democratic politician would find a way to fight back. We ALL need to find a way to unite and fight back.

[questionseverything]

42. If this is your idea of uniting people, I don't know what to say

[SunSeeker]

46. The OP bashing Newsom with a clickbait video is what is hurting unity. nt

[SunSeeker]

13. Of course I heard that. That was not with MAGAts.

MAGAts don't come to Bernie rallies.

[Uncle Joe]

37. Why wouldn't they?

Sanders–Trump voters


(snip)

In an interview with Vox, Schaffner highlighted the fact that Sanders–Trump voters were much less likely to identify as Democrats than Sanders voters who voted for Clinton or a third-party candidate.[7] According to Schaffner, about half of the voting bloc identified themselves as Republicans or independents.[4] Data from the VOTER survey showed that only 35% of Sanders–Trump voters voted for Democratic incumbent Barack Obama in the 2012 election; in contrast, 95% of Sanders-Clinton voters voted for Obama in 2012.[1]

Compared to average Democratic Party voters, Sanders–Trump voters were much more conservative on racial and social issues. Over 40% of Sanders–Trump voters disagreed that white people have advantages, compared to less than 10% of Sanders voters who voted for Clinton.[7] Compared to the average Sanders voter, Sanders–Trump voters tend to be white and older. The CCES survey showed that only between 17% and 18% of Sanders–Trump voters identified themselves as ideologically liberal, with the rest either identifying as moderate or conservative.[7] In the VOTER survey, Sanders–Trump voters rated minority groups less favorably than Sanders-Clinton voters; this included Latinos, Muslims and LGBT people.[1] According to both the CCES and VOTER surveys, Sanders–Trump voters' views on trade policy are largely similar to typical Democrats, despite Sanders' relative opposition to free trade deals.[1][7]

Jeff Stein of Vox suggested that many Sanders–Trump voters may have been Reagan Democrats who were white and pro-union.[7] Political scientist John M. Sides suggested that many Sanders–Trump voters were unlikely to support Clinton in the first place.[1] Writing in RealClearPolitics, Tim Chapman, executive director of conservative advocacy group Heritage Action, suggested that both Trump and Sanders had strong populist appeal, especially to working-class voters in the heartland, despite their starkly different policies.[9] In 2020, Schaffner suggested that Sanders' appeal to Sanders–Trump voters in 2016 was due to his outsider status, his populist policies, and his targeting of issues which affected groups of people Trump attempted to court in his 2016 campaign.[4]

(snip)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanders%E2%80%93Trump_voters

[SunSeeker]

47. Some might. But that video doesn't show Bernie "flipping MAGA."

And the Wiki exerpt you posted talks about Sanders voters flipping to Trump, not the other way around.

If someone has figured out a documented strategy that successfully flips MAGAts to Dems, I'd love to see it. That's why I watched that OP video. It was billed as showing that. But it didn't.

[Uncle Joe]

51. They flipped for *rump only after they voted for Bernie, and he lost the primary.

Now many if not most of them know that *rump was always an oligarch and only pretending to care about the average American worker.

The oligarchs came out from behind the curtain front and center at *rump's inauguration, and that's a primary driving force behind the energy coming from Bernie's "fighting oligarchy" tour.

I suppose that it's mathematically possible that absolutely no MAGAs have seen the light, with all that's happened since *rump reoccupied the White House, but extremely unlikely.

[betsuni]

48. Correct.

[Passages]

17. Some will never see it, they don't want to.

[SunSeeker]

25. I wanted to! I sat through a whole 13 minute video hoping to see Bernie flip a MAGAt.

It didn't happen. There were no MAGAts in that video. Please don't insult those of us who tell the truth.

[Passages]

26. No one is insulting you. If you honestly believe Sanders is not reaching Republicans/MAGA

at any of his stops thus far...you don't believe it.

[SunSeeker]

28. Explain why you think MAGAts are coming to Bernie rallies.

Let alone that he flipped them. There was not a single person at that rally with a MAGA cap, despite the dishonest video thumbnail.

[Passages]

29. Prove a negative?

Look, if you believe every red state he spends time in and none of the Republicans have attended any of them...then you don't believe it. Why you imagine none have attended is on you, as I said...what you believe. That is in no way an insult to you.

Sanders will continue across the country, that much I am certain..one day, you may see the proof you are seeking.

[SunSeeker]

33. Look, the video thumbnail showed a guy in a MAGA hat. Where is he in the video??

I am not asking you to prove a negative. I am asking you why you think MAGAts show up to Bernie rallies.

I am fine with Bernie doing his rallies. I think they motivate our base.

My issue is with the ongoing Newsom bashing for his efforts at getting through to MAGAts, and the dishonest way this video was described in the OP.

[Passages]

35. I believe you are missing the point.

They all wear hats as identifiers??

If you don't believe, as I have said twice now, that throughout all his town halls thus far, none have voted for Trump/MAGA, then you won't believe it.

You are asking me to prove a negative.., he is traveling in red states. You don't believe, don't believe it.

I think we have taken this as far as we can.

[Wiz Imp]

39. He's been to one red state - Nebraska

And the place he went to in Nebraska was the "Blue Dot" of Omaha. Michigan & Wisconsin are not red states. Trump won there (barely) in 2024 & 2016, but those are the only 2 times in the past 35 years that a Republican has won either of those states. Harris won in both cities in Wisconsin which Bernie visited

[questionseverything]

43. So we can file your response as, " not good enough, Bernie "

Nm you were already on that list

[SunSeeker]

40. No, you are missing my point. That video and the OP is clickbait. And shows a dishonest thumbnail.

If you said you thought that some of Bernie's points might work on some MAGAts, I would not be disputing that. But that's not what the OP said.

[Wiz Imp]

38. With one exception, the places Bernie went to on his tour were NOT red cities

Nebraska is a red state, but Omaha is a blue city. Harris won Omaha which enabled her to win an electoral vote there. Harris also won in Kenosha and Altoona/Eau Claire Wisconsin. That's the first 3 stops on his tour. Trump did win in Warren Michigan but it was close - that is a slightly red area, not a super red one.

[pnwmom]

10. Me, neither. And how do we know the people in the audience weren't already Bernie supporters? nt

[SunSeeker]

14. We know they're not. MAGAts don't go to Bernie rallies. nt

[questionseverything]

24. You don't think scared people worried about losing their retirement

Would come to question any politician that will show up?

[SunSeeker]

30. Why would a MAGAt come to question Bernie?

Besides, Bernie was not taking questions. He was giving a speech.

[questionseverything]

34. Like I said , there's no reason for you trying to split us

I saw him asking questions and people talking but whatever (rally seems to be the code word for today)

[SunSeeker]

41. I am not trying to split us, the OP is, by bagging on Newsom's podcasts.

And yes, Bernie was asking questions, not the audience. Bernie likes to use the Socratic method. It can be an effective way to get your point across.

But this was not a townhall situation where scared constituents were there asking what was happening, like some House Reps have gotten when doing townhalls:

[betsuni]

49. Yes, there were no audience questions. It was a speech.

[GoodRaisin]

19. Yep. I clicked that expecting to see Bernie talking to a magat. No magat!

[Mountainguy]

20. Thought the same thing

Just more click-bait BS that has suddenly become very common on this site.

[questionseverything]

22. We are pretty close to dead in the water so why bash Bernie?

I support what gavin and Bernie are doing, so again, why the need to divide?

[SunSeeker]

31. I am not bashing Bernie. I am pissed at the false description of the video.

It made me waste 13 minutes of my time watching it.

[questionseverything]

44. 13 minutes of wasted time, huh? lol

It was just after 3 pm when you started whatever it is you’re doing, your last reply was after 8 pm , so more like 5 hours to prove? What?

[SunSeeker]

45. No, now you and the others repeatedly commenting to me is what is sucking my time.

Fortunately I can multitask in between doing all my spring cleaning today. How about you?

[W_HAMILTON]

7. And how many progressives has he successfully got MAGA Republicans to elect in red districts/states?

Yeah.

[Aepps22]

8. Doesn't Work

Bernie has done this before where he talks to MAGA types and they love our policies but it won’t change their vote. Make no mistake, these folks aren’t dumb, they know Republican policies hurt them but they are content with voting the way they do because they don’t want our polices if they benefit those that they don’t like or believe deserve help.

[Irish_Dem]

9. As long as Trump hates the people they hate, the MAGAs will keep voting for him.

Even if they get hurt in the process.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

15. They love our policies but that doesn't mean they will elect candidates who hold fundraisers in Wine Caves ...

… or goniff $400,000 dollar “speeches” by the dozen.

[JustAnotherGen]

16. The Magat is a

Racist, Homophobic, Christian Theocrat. I want them to experience pain.

[SunSeeker]

18. Exactly. MAGAts vote for "cultural" reasons (bigotry); they're afraid people of color are changing "white culture."

This psychiatrist explains it well:

Bernie is great at turning out his supporters to rallies. And of course I agree with what he is saying. But it's not folks like me we need to win over. I would crawl over glass to vote for a Dem.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

12. Many more articulate moderate Dems need to do this.

Bernie has his limits. Others don't. Buttigieg, klobuchar, Schatz, etc.

[phylny]

21. The other thing that we were told at a corporate

retirement session is that by having health insurance, your life expectancy is greater. No surprise there. Kick/recommend this.

[betsuni]

50. Why would anyone think Democrats don't talk about economic struggles? They don't just talk and yell, they DO.

People who think that really should educate themselves about the Democratic Party (remember President Biden who was just president? Hello? Didn't exist?).

Bernie is talking about the same economic issues liberal Democrats always have.