I'm pissed, I'm really friggin pissed to the point of no return

[William769]

Yes it has to do with the CR. 2013 Democratic House members & 37 Democratic Senate members stood up with a resounding NO & said this is bad for the American people. They were willing to go to the matt & fight for us & for that I applaud them. Then at the last minute 10 Senate Dems decided we know what's best for the party & the American people & kneecapped us to pass the CR.

Our poll numbers are worse than trumps & musks! & they are getting worse because of 10 Senate Democrats. We have no leverage now. for the next six months we are going to be Like Moses in the desert. Which brings us to September, Will we be kneecapped again?

I picture these 10 Democratic Senators and I can hear them plain as day. "Thank you sir, may I please have another".

We need a Change in the Democratic Senate leadership and we need it now.

[elocs]

1. Mmmmm, Democrats....kind of tastes like chicken. n/t

[William769]

2. Just a couple.

The rest, U.S.D.A. Grade A beef!

[Happy Hoosier]

10. I get it... BUT...

... our leadership IS letting us down.

There is no coheisve plan. No stated strategy.

I'm willing to hear them out, but I need to hear something besides "well, it would be worse the other way."

So? If not THIS, then WHAT? If not NOW, then WHEN?

I'm willing to follow if I see some destination other than mere resignation that we are powerless.

Give us something to rally around. Something to fight for.

[Turbineguy]

3. We're on the Kobayashi Maru now.

Lunch menu: Shit Sandwich with pickle.

[Emile]

4. IMO, we have a centrist problem.

[xocetaceans]

8. They'll fight to the death to keep Bernie from the nomination but can't muster the will to oppose the MAGA/GOP.... n/t

[jalan48]

11. Bernie is a no go with the moneyed class and his message about income inequality poses a threat to them.

[Emile]

23. The moneyed class got what they wanted Friday.

[Evolve Dammit]

15. Great observation

[Bluetus]

24. Due to the Overton shift, these "centerests" are far right wing by any objective historical standard

We should not allow them to describe themselves as centerests. In today's world, you are either with the fascists or you are opposing the fascists. We know clearly which side those 9 (plus King-I) are on.

What's more, it is a virtual certainty that if Jeffries know where Schumer was going to come down, Jeffries would be solidly with the fascists too. We have more than a "centrist" problem. We have a party leadership that is diametrically opposed to the interests of the voters they are trying to claim.

The ENTIRE leadership of both houses must go. There is nothing gained by keeping them around, and we cannot rebuild until they are out of the way.

[lark]

5. 100% with you on this.

If Democratic leaders don't stand up to protect the constitution ad their constituents, we need different representatives. The ones that stood with us are to be applauded as well as we condemn the others - thanks for that.

[angrychair]

6. Seems to be a misunderstanding

Of what happens going forward. There will not be another CR. The committees are finalizing their parts of the budget and then it will be put in a reconciliation bill and voted through on a simple Republican majority (of course the special April elections may throw a wrench in that).

[William769]

7. Every thing I have read says fund the Government through Sept.

I do not know all things but I try to understand all things. Does that mean simple majority come Sept?

[PortTack]

9. it was a no win either way

Fighting over this doesn’t help our message.

The gop had a win either way. They get what they want in the bill, or the government shuts downs leaving him and muskrat to further pillage with fewer checks. It would have thrown thousands more out of work which would have suited them just fine. The ppl thrown out of work would’ve been forced to leave as no one can go without pay. They don’t care if the government is shutdown…it’s what they want anyway.

We would’ve had even less bargaining power in the end as the shutdown wore on…maybe weeks or months

These are the facts…so pleaz don’t bash me for laying them out.

I’m just as sad and angry as everyone else, but we have to move on.

[Cheezoholic]

13. This. The biggest issue with a govt shutdown is the president can legitamatly declare a non wartime national emergency

And that can go on for a long time. During that time the courts are virtually powerless besides the fact it opens a gauntlet of emergency powers acts he could invoke. I think the fact that how quick he invoked, illegally, the Aliens Enemy Act shows how itchy of a trigger finger these fucks want a national emergency declared. Beware moving forward, they will try and do it for someone crossing the street backwards. Once he declares, legitimately, a full blown national emergency the Constitution is in ashes.

[PortTack]

22. Your post really should be an OP! Ppl are not looking at what is going on behind the scenes

Of course we wanted to stop this terrible bill! What choices did we have? We had awful and downright scary terrible!

Personally, I think our best option is to continue to bankrupt muskrat. Orange Hitler and muskrat are integrally tied. If one fails, the other will be left to flounder.

[William769]

17. The fact is your side wants this issue to go away because of emmbarssesment.

[PortTack]

25. Embarrassed about what? That our country is being run by a fascist? The facts are very disturbing

. It takes more guts to say them, or print them than it does to just be angry.

This isn’t a my side vs your side…this is about the very survival of our democracy

[Rebl2]

12. I wonder

if the CR had not passed, if the republicans would have allowed the government to just stay shut down and do even more damage to our government and democracy, if that is possible.

[Maru Kitteh]

21. You are sitting in a plane that's being hijacked. Republicans and 10 Democrats just told you

to sit down and be nice to the hijackers. Everything is fine.

[PortTack]

26. And there in lies the conundrum. Do you let the plane go down fighting with the hijackers? Or see if you can

Live to fight another day? Neither choice is great.

this f..king debacle is over and we still have a country to save…we HAVE to move on…like it or not!

[Maru Kitteh]

27. The ONLY way to move on is with leadership that is posessive of vetebrae.

Fuck Chuck for endorsing the end of American democracy and for sticking an ice pick in the back of the Democratic electorate. Forever and always.

[uponit7771]

31. The plane is going down anyway!!! You might as well go down fighting!! Same delima 911 people has a an airiliner

[JT45242]

14. My sons (18&23) always say no real difference between the parties..this says they are right

They keep voting Democrats...but this shows there really is little effective difference between the two parties.

The only difference that I can see is the Republican party will use the filibuster to block everything good for common people.

The Dems won't use it to prevent evil to the common people.

Effectively, only things good for the rich get through ... doesn't matter who us in charge of the senate after this vote.

[W_HAMILTON]

32. Wait till their student loan payments start coming due...

They'll learn right quick a pretty big damn difference between the two parties...

And there was going to be evil for the common people regardless. That was inevitable when they chose not to vote for Democrats. The question is, whether you want evil to impact tens of millions of people or hundreds of millions? Because that is the choice we were unfortunately forced to make here.

[twodogsbarking]

16. People are suffering. Decisions aren't easy.

[Skittles]

38. deciding to bend over with no fight does us NO favors

absolutely digusting

[TheCowsCameHome]

18. Time for an overhaul in the party

Goodbye, Chuck.

Your "friends across the aisle" deserved a thrashing, and you caved in.

[Paladin]

19. THANK YOU!

My sentiments, exactly.

[Maru Kitteh]

20. I'm in the same place you are. It's simply UNFORGIVEABLE to endorse & make bipartisan

the rape of Medicaid and services to the MOST poor and vulnerable. It was the WRONG thing to do, period. Full stop.

[Ruby the Liberal]

28. Indeed - they have no idea how to handle this

Hi Bill

It feels like they keep treating this as politics as usual because thats the only playbook they know. It hasn't worked in the last 9 years and it isn't working now.

"We've tried nothing - and we're all out of ideas!"

No idea how to get through to them that being 'collegial' isn't the play when they are mired in pearl clutching.

[William769]

35. Thanks Ruby.

[JT45242]

37. It goes back to Obama's election..we have been weekend at Bernie's bipartisanship

When they announced they would literally block everything.

When Mcturtle said that, bipartisanship died. We have been weekend at Bernie's the idea of bipartisanship since then.

[Ruby the Liberal]

39. Ah yes - remembering the Grand Bargain too

Whack SS, Medicare and Medicaid in exchange for taxing the donor class a smidgen more than they already were.

SO glad that failed.

But we're about to see it again - just with tax cuts for them instead.

Its maddening.

[TnDem]

29. re: 10 senators

There is no guarantee that shutting down government would have turned the polls around for us..In fact, it may have been much worse.

It is a shitty situation with no positive outcome either way. Schumer and friends make a tactical decision because there was really no way to win this one.

[W_HAMILTON]

33. The same people complaining about Schumer and co. now would be complaining...

...when the government shut down and even more people were hurt than are currently being hurt now.

They are just the "blame Democrats first" crowd and think only Democrats have agency in all this. It's so common they have a damn term for it: Murc's Law.

[William769]

34. And your proof?

Good luck with that.

[moonshinegnomie]

36. i agree

ive gotten several text messages from dems asking for money in the past couple of days.
my response has been along the lines of F you,I wont donate another nickel until the current democratic leadership from shumer on down is replaced.