Ok Goehmert wants teachers to have M-4...

[nadinbrzezinski]

That is a full military grade infantry weapon

Louie Goehmert is insane.

[Laurian]

1. He needs to go back to Texas, take all the gun nuts with him,

secede, and shoot the hell out of everything in sight.

Several problems solved in one fell swoop.

I'm really tired of the idiots.

[ellisonz]

2. So does the Gungeon...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/117292558#post44

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. Well somebody went and fed them

But this idea from Goehmert, it's not a semi auto, it's full auto...talk of escalation.

[ellisonz]

5. Honestly, the difference between a semi-auto and full-auto is irrelevant...

...when you're having a frickin' gun shot at you. I'm so tired of the gun trolls tune on that one.

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. Actually it is not irrelevant

Having an even higher rate of fire makes it even more dangerous. Granted, it is less accurate fire, but that is why it matters.

What is irrelevant is when gun nuts go, but only military riffles have mode selector (a favorite talking point). All of them do...it's just the modes of fires that are available.

I have had fun with the idiots trying to dazzle with terminology.

[ellisonz]

9. If we were talking about the battlefield...

...that might be relevant. But were not, we're talking about a civilian environment. The entire canard is an irrelevant distraction to avoid having to actually engage the subject on an emotive level.

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. No, in an enclosed environment having more lead fly

Will lead to more casualties.

I hate to point this out, but we are already living in a low intensity battlefield.

[ellisonz]

13. The lead flies either way...

I live 3 miles from Inglewood and 5 miles from Compton and I vehemently disagree with such an assessment of the country we live in. Try Aleppo or Homs if we want to talk about battlefields.

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. Those are higher intensity battlefields.

We really live in a low intensity conflict. To the point I now actively look for potential cover.

It's a statement of the times...

Correction, wwIi was a high intensity conflict.

[ellisonz]

15. Hope you get body armor for Xmas!

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. I don't carry

I just know how to take proper cover. I had this exact same conversation with another combat veteran. Those skills are getting homed again.

[zappaman]

23. really?

"To the point I now actively look for potential cover."
you are that scared of going outside, you look for potential cover?
as a combat veteran and ex cop, I would think you wouldn't be so scared in the terrifying neighborhood known as SAN DIEGO.

[rustydog]

10. My 9mm with the 20 round clip can be emptied as fast as I pull the trigger

the trigger pull is so short, it is scary. I can empty the 20 rounds much quicker than a guy with a revolver.

I can take out more because the ejection of the magazine is simple and inserting the full magazine is effortless. With a revolver, even with quick loads, you are slowed down considerably with a revolver.

Yes auto is much faster, but to the 20 dead, you arguement is moot.

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. 300 vs 600 in an enclosed place matters.

And your example tells you why. For the record, I am all for making yours (and mine) a class III level license.

Oh and your 20 rounder is an extended (illegal) clip in California.

[PA Democrat]

7. Someone needs to tell them Rambo was fiction.

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[struggle4progress]

3. Translation: "Hey! Hey! Lookie at me!"

He's gotta stick out in the crowd or he gets to feelin anxious. That's why he was the only vote against removing the word "lunatic" from the federal statutes

[Kurska]

6. Damn, I need to become a teacher n/t

[spanone]

17. i find it extremely difficult to believe this person is in the halls of congress...

here's the entire quote:

"I wish to God she had an M-4 in her office locked up — so when she heard gunfire, she pulls it out and she didn’t have to lunge heroically with nothing in her hands," Gohmert said on "Fox News Sunday" with Chris Wallace.
"But she takes him out, takes his head off, before he can kill those precious kids."

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/louie-gohmert-gun-control-sandy-hook-shooting-newtown-ct-republicans-2012-12#ixzz2FMeAOu3s

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. I went...first the weapon is illegal in civilian hands

Something about 1934...

Second, hell of an escalation, just what we need.

Scarier, he used to be a judge.

[former-republican]

24. There's two variants of the model

The military and the civilian model.
Both are called M4 carbine by Colt manufacturing.

I'm not agreeing with guy mind you that teachers should be armed.

But in this case I wish she could have stopped him.

[nadinbrzezinski]

28. I know

But I am assuming the worst from Louis Goehmert. Scary, he was a judge.

[former-republican]

21. I wish she had anything sword , spear , bat , pepper spray and yes also a gun

Anything that would have killed or stopped him and saved her .

[kwolf68]

34. THEN WHY DIDN'T HE?

If God is the all powerful then WHY DIDN'T he put a gun in the hands of the teacher or principle and immediately 'arm' that person with the knowledge and ability to go shoot the gunman.

I thought God performed miracles? He is the all powerful and surely he wouldn't have a problem providing this teacher with the necessary tool to bring down the criminal?

In fact, if a gun magically appeared in the hand's of the teacher or principle and the principle successful foils the massacre, then guess what?

--Gun rights are expanded
--Those who doubt the existence of God would have to rethink their position

Yet another failed opportunity for God.

Meanwhile, here in the real world, more funerals are set today to lower more children into their graves.

[muntrv]

18. Oh Louie!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021996549

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. Thumbs up.

[cliffordu]

22. Yep. Did you see him salivate as he described what

that principal could have done with an M4??

You know, the principal who died trying to save those children?


According to that pustule, she could have:

"Taken his head off before he could have killed any of those babies..." (almost word for word..)

This motherfucker needs to spend a night under enemy fire so he can show everyone what he can do with an M4.

Chickenshit chickenhawks, fucking clueless, privileged ass wipes who have NEVER served a day under the gun....

Callow lapdogs to the NRA, writing gun laws.

They are killing these children with craven, willfully ignorant stances based on Rambo and Die Hard.

I got no time. Someone needs to punch this fucker in the nuts.

And then he can display his expertise with an M4. My bet is that I could FEED this motherfucker a complete weapon, one piece at a time, shoved down his gullet, and he still wouldn't know what the fuck to do with one.

I learned to field strip an M-16 in 1969.

The M4 is the current version of that weapon.

I don't want one anywhere near me or anyone I know.

And that guy needs to go fuck himself. With an M4.

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. I know...he is clueless.

His talk needs to be socially unacceptable.

[NuttyFluffers]

30. "Don't worry everyone! I'll protect us with my masturbatory gun fantasy!"

"Who cares about appropriateness? Any naysayer will be deflected by the power of the Tom Clancy Sutra, reciting weapon readouts until subdued! Everyone knows you can't talk about weapons until you memorized their minutia." -Goehmert, a translation of flights of fancy

[GopherGal]

26. Access to numerous guns

... didn't seem to help his mother any.

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. Welcome to DU by the way

[AlexSatan]

29. Too large

It would just get in the way. Something like a Springfield 9mm XDm would be much better.

BTW, there is a civilian M4 version that does not have full auto.

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. ^^^----^^^^ this is a problem

No comment.

[AlexSatan]

32. Sorry, just a difference of opinion

I believe that it a teacher is trained and wants to, they should be allowed to carry a small handgun.

The problem is if you think your opinion is more valid than mine.

[nadinbrzezinski]

33. It's not a difference of opinion

It's an NRA talking point.

Right to carry is an NRA talking point.

I promised to call anybody using NRA talking points.

There is a place for concealed carry, a license, renewed every three years, with extensive background checks, provable need and tactical training.

Not what the NRA wants. It is loser gun laws that find us here.

[AlexSatan]

35. Sorry, I've never

been to an NRA site or knowingly ever read any NRA literature. I do, however, think for myself. If the NRA happens to agree with me on this point, good for them. I don't know the NRA stance on other issues so I don't know what else they are right/wrong on.

"There is a place for concealed carry, a license, renewed every three years, with extensive background checks, provable need and tactical training. "

I don't disagree with you here. Our two opinions are apparently not mutually exclusive. The only point of contention I see is who determines what "provable need" is. I would call self-defense in a location which seems to attract mass killers a provable need.

[WhoIsNumberNone]

36. And you're just realizing this now?