CEO says his solar-panel company bought a new Tesla every year since 2021, but canceled his order for 15 new cars becaus

[Demovictory9]

CEO says his solar-panel company bought a new Tesla every year since 2021, but canceled his order for 15 new cars because the United States is a ‘country closing in on itself

https://fortune.com/2025/03/17/romain-roy-groupe-energie-tesla-cars-europe-boycott/

[Cha]

1. Really Appreciate More & More People Standing UP

for Democracy... anyway they can!

TY

[Demovictory9]

2. me too!

[Cha]

3. So Heartwarming in the continuous

living Nightmare thats Dismantling our Country straight form Russia.

This is Just the Beginning!

[ForgedCrank]

4. Good, but I

wonder how the thousands of (mostly) Democratic-voting Tesla workers who eventually lose their jobs will respond to that?
I suppose they are worth the sacrifice so we can make a point, right?

[JI7]

5. Musk has been replacing them with h1bs

[ForgedCrank]

6. That is

a small number of engineering jobs in the overall scope of things. But don't they also matter even if their numbers are small in comparison? I think all of them matter, but that's just me I guess.
Scorched earth tactics that harm fellow Democrats isn't the most productive response. In fact, I'm arguing that we are mostly only harming ourselves in the end, and I'd be right. We are damaging thousands of people for the sake of costing Elon Musk a small portion of his billions. We need to start thinking things through a little more. This whole economic war against our own citizens thing is a terrible idea from almost any angle.

[JI7]

7. It's thousands of h1bs and he wants more

If you are so concerned then take it up with Musk.

[RandomNumbers]

15. In my particular skill area

before the pandemic lockdown, if you walked into my office area, everyone in my group - except me - was from India or thereabouts. Probably H-1B. I don't ask but in a few cases I know because it's come up in conversation. These individuals are good people, mind you. BUT. If you walk into an office full of IT people and it's all white males, what would you think? If you go to the sales department and it's all young, attractive, white women, what do you think? And then you go to the restroom and the janitor comes in, and that person is Black. Would it make you go hmmm? (It is not the PEOPLE I have a problem with, it is the POLICY.)

(I don't work at Tesla, but I do work for a technology company)

It is not "a small number" of engineering jobs. Whole specialties in information technology have been taken over by H-1B workers. There are reasons companies prefer to hire H-1Bs and it isn't because there aren't enough bright Americans for these jobs. I know, I have seen the games they play to avoid hiring Americans, especially at the lower experience levels. Well if you can't get a job at the bottom of the ladder, you will never be able to climb up it.

And don't bother looking for Black folks in my specialty. (to be clear I have zero input to hiring; if I did I would sure try to improve the situation.)

Democrats need to WAKE THE EFF UP when it comes to the H-1B system and how it screws over American workers.

n.b: I saw an article that visa workers are being warned to avoid leaving the US to visit home this year, because TSF's admin is f*cking with them when they try to come back. THAT is not right, and NOT the way to fix the problem with the policy. These are good people and don't deserve to be treated like shit any more than anyone else. There are reasonable ways to reduce the use of H-1B, like raising the bar on the criteria to come in on this visa. Being cruel to people who have the visa, is just cruelty. But if it weren't cruel it wouldn't be a Trump policy, I guess.

[ForgedCrank]

16. I don't

think I can disagree with much or any of that.
My issue is with the movement to purposefully tank a large company (and cheer while it happens) just so we might feel we got some sort of revenge or something. I'm not saying that is invalid, I'm just saying the cost is too high, and that cost will be paid by innocent people who are doing nothing more than trying to make a living. That is the part that disgusts me. We are supposed to be the people who care about others, the exact opposite of that which we despise. But constant calls for boycotts and such hurt a LOT of innocent and uninvolved people, and I insist that we remember that minor detail when promoting this sort of stuff. Yes, it's a bad spot to be in, but that's exactly where we are, like it or not. And we are going to have to endure it for another 20 months at minimum. There are other ways to make our voices heard without pouring gas on everything and lighting a match because you've made no friend of the people who get their house repossessed and end up living in the back seat of their car after Tesla lays off half their workforce.
It bothers me that I also have to defend such a position among Democrats. We are supposed to hold ourselves to a higher standard. We are supposed to be smarter and better than that.

[Torchlight]

31. I think solidarity and boycotts, useful historical tools for labor,

are being used in this instance. The boycotts against Hershey, Chiquita, DeBeers cost money as well, but the consequences brought change. I certainly wouldn't equate them to scorched earth tactics.

[dalton99a]

8. So nothing should be done about Musk?

Tesla workers are Musk's slaves. He treats them like shit, and his factories are hellholes

[ForgedCrank]

10. Slaves?

They are forced labor and owned by Elon Musk?
I'm guessing you might wish to re-phrase that.
Anyway, in reality they are real people with real bills to pay and real mouths to feed. But I guess they are disposable, as long as we hurt Musk a little. I guess no sacrifice is too large because we need to feel like we made a difference. It's just other peoples jobs, not ours so who cares.

[stoned]

21. That's not what I've heard

[NickB79]

11. What an idiotic argument

Keep buying an objectionably mediocre vehicle and putting money in the pockets of a literal Nazi, and the richest man on Earth, because he employs some Democrats in his factories? It that the gist of it?

[ForgedCrank]

12. If it is

"idiotic" to care about the thousands of workers who could potentially lose their jobs, then sign me up for the idiot squad. I actually care about other people.

[NickB79]

13. Explain how you neuter Musk's power and wealth without destroying his businesses

Because long term, empowering Musk by supporting him financially so that he can keep buying political power will end badly for all of us. Your short term care will lead to an American fascist state.

[ForgedCrank]

18. Why should

I explain anything? The answer is that you don't destroy things that aren't yours. That is juvenile thinking and juvenile behavior. It's a very basic rule of life among the civilized. Real people who are not Elon Musk get destroyed when you do these things. There are 120,000 people working for Tesla, and they are not pawns who are available for disposal.

[NickB79]

32. I'm not talking about destroying Tesla cars at dealerships, if that's what you're implying

I'm talking about destroying Tesla Corporate, Tesla stock, etc. Musk will only be contained if his finances are cratered by consumer boycotts and the stock for his companies crashes, hard.

There is absolutely nothing juvenile about refusing to do business with a company run by a LITERAL NAZI, or encouraging others to boycott them as well.

I'm sorry that a LITERAL NAZI employs 120,000 Americans, but that isn't a sufficient justification to do business with a LITERAL NAZI. As they say, the road to Hell is paved with good intentions. And doing business with a LITERAL NAZI definitely puts one solidly on that road.

On top of that, this LITERAL NAZI is using the very money we give him for his products to dismantle the US government and install other LITERAL NAZIS to subjugate us.

How is it that I have to explain this to a fellow DU'er in this day and age?

[niyad]

17. So we need to keep supporting and enriching the unelected, insane, money-

grubbing, greedy South African nepo baby? What, exactly, do you suggest that we do?

[ForgedCrank]

19. I suggest

we live and buy what we need and what suits us, stop putting politics above all, and not organize to destroy a company that employs 120,000 workers, nor cheer about it if it happens.
Just because it's doing something doesn't make it a good idea, and just because you may not have a different idea also doesn't make this acceptable behavior. It's selfish, and it harms innocent people that we are SUPPOSED to care about. But screw them? Is that what you are saying?
Think.
There is no good solution to this problem outside of waiting for the next election. Substituting it with unhealthy, ill-advised, and damaging actions is not a proper response.
Where we are right now totally sucks and there isn't a damn thing we can do about it except vote again and try to get others to do the same when the time comes. And let me tell you, having former Tesla workers living in a tent because a boycott bankrupted the company they worked for is NOT a recipe for more votes.

[niyad]

20. Cuing Lady Violet: Does it ever get cold up there on the moral high ground?

And lonely, since your posts seem to indicate that you alone inhabit it. It is a wonder that you can even tolerate such inferior beings as we seem to be.

[ForgedCrank]

23. I don't

concede my convictions for any cause.
But if attacking my ethics is your pleasure, then have at it. It doesn't change my mind and I simply don't care.

Just know that there are actually a lot of good people here who are afraid to say the things that I do, it is evident in the DM's that I get. But, attempts to shame me will not change what I think and it won't silence me. I know vindictive behavior when I see it, and right now I'm pointing at it whether you like it or not.
I challenge you to point at the flaw in my logic rather than trying to use personal insults as the foundation of your argument.

[niyad]

24. Do keep trying, this has become quite amusing.

[ForgedCrank]

25. That's what I thought.

[Demovictory9]

29. The head of Tesla is actively destroying a country of 340 million

All bets are off to save America. There are few other methods to get his attention as he gleefully destroys the most powerful country that ever existed including pulling down its research, science. Environmental, Civil rights, medical infrastructure . He is firing millions and you lament 120k?

[NickB79]

33. "There is no good solution to this problem outside of waiting for the next election"

How naive. By the next election, at the rate Musk is going, he'll be approaching $1 TRILLION in worth. And he'll throw all that cash behind getting his Nazi pawns elected in positions of power.

Sitting on our hands for the next few years guarantees our nation will be lost for generations to come.

[ForgedCrank]

34. I have

faith in our system, there will be another election. I'd like to win it, but if we continue as we are, then I have my doubts.
You can call me "naïve" all you want, but I actually care about all of the people who get hurt by this foolishness that accomplishes absolutely nothing. There is no excuse for hateful or vindictive behavior.

PS: When everyone is a Nazi, no one is a Nazi

[DBoon]

28. For a company like Tesla, most of them could easily find jobs elsewhere

Even absent political boycotts, tech firms regularly go through layoff cycles. Employees will lose their jobs regardless and unlike old mass production industries, can find good jobs elsewhere

[hlthe2b]

9. Here is a non-paywall copy

https://archive.ph/aKJ7C

[Emile]

14. Tesla is going under.

[DENVERPOPS]

22. Since Denmark

has Greenland, or is it Iceland? Now Trump has even more reason to go after claiming that piece of land.......

[Trust_Reality]

26. Imploding

[Norrrm]

27. Cannot find qualified workers?

[LetMyPeopleVote]

30. musk is really hurting Tesla's brand