So Schumer tried to explain it again tonight on Hayes. He is not good at communicating on a a laymen's level

[Cheezoholic]

If someone on this board can say I'm wrong in my interpretation here please do, but as of yet, in many of my replies on this nobody has.
Please, I welcome it. I'm no Schumer fan, never have been. But as much as my pea brain understands this he made the right decision because we're drowning and we only have a twig to hold onto.

The repukes were hoping the Dems would shut the government down. Proof was they had the Alien Enemies Act cued up that night. They were ready to declare a national emergency. They were/are ready to shut the courts down. People need to understand that out of the shit choices we had the shutdown removed the guardrail of the courts. These fuckers are itching, drooling for any damn reason they can to declare a national emergency nationwide due to the disfunction of congress or whatever reason they can get away with. If that happens the Executive takes control until congress can agree. THAT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN IF WE SHUT DOWN! A shutdown could very well have put the courts on the sidelines. That single thing was the deciding factor.

I have looked and looked and as far as I can find Schumer is absolutely correct on that. The shutdown could go on for at least 6 months if not longer. During that time the courts would be virtually knee capped, null.

Schumer's problem is he is short, condescending and a poor communicator. As much as he grates on my nerves (so much I've damn near been banned for attacking him before) he made the ONLY decision that keeps our head above water... for now.

I agree with calls for Schumer to step down as leader. I have been calling for the younger upcoming progressives to be allowed to step up. There is too much and too many corporate swinging Democrats running the show in the Senate for too long. Its time to shake and consolidate damn it!

Like I said if my reasoning here is wrong please explain why. Not gonna hurt my feelings and if I'm wrong I'm wrong.

Peace and Carrots

[Raven123]

1. I agree with you about Schumer's communication problem

I have written a letter to every Democratic Senator expressing my concern about the lack of a clear message and effective communicators.

I don’t share your view about the reason for his vote. Trump has ignored the courts. Not sure the strategy is working.

[Cheezoholic]

4. Its not a strategy its the law. And yes, the courts have stepped in and yes, they may be taking their time but they are

following court orders. They've lost 90% of the decisions so far (and they are appealing them all of course) and are following those orders. Dragging their feet? Yes. But they are following the courts orders... so far.

[choie]

12. How do you know

That they’re following the law?

[Raven123]

18. Sure about that?

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/flight-data-shows-timeline-venezuelan-deportation-operation-2025-03-17/

[rso]

2. Schumer

He does not think that we’re in a Constitutional crisis yet, but will be there if and when Trump ignores SCOTUS rulings against him. That outlook and perspective on his part explains why we’re not there yet.

[gab13by13]

3. I disagree with pretty much

Everything you posted, Chuck doesn’t believe we are in constitutional crisis yet. His plan is to get Trump’s poll numbers down.

[Cheezoholic]

6. So you are saying the courts are null and void as we speak? n/t

[gab13by13]

14. I'm saying we are in the midst of a constitutional crisis right now.

It is great that courts, judges are ruling against President Musk, but he is ignoring the judges orders.

I am saying that the entire setting up a fake DOGE department is illegal and unconstitutional. Now DOGE has more power and has Federal Marshalls, the FBI, and the DC police enabling Musk'd cyber punks to break into both government and non-government buildings.

I am saying that Chuck's main problem is a huge one, he doesn't believe we are in a constitutional crisis. A case can be made that the CR is unconstitutional, transferring Congressional power to a made up department.

Chuck Schumer's plan is to get Trump's polling numbers down and then Democrats can win future elections.

When one DOGE employee is arrested, when One DOGE lawyer is sanctioned, then I will say that the courts are starting to work.

[BannonsLiver]

17. Yes I'm tired of the "constitutional crisis" being looked at as some future event.

We’re there. It’s happening.

[yellow dahlia]

5. I was yelling at the tv.

He is a bad communicator.

He also communicated badly around the recent events regarding the CR.

He has been completely lacking in strategy.

And yes, he is condescending.

He is the wrong leader for the moment.

[keepthemhonestO]

7. Well stated

I completely agree, I wish I could have so eloquently put into words.

I never understood
what the allure was with Schumer and how he kept getting voted in. I used to live in NY too but I never understood him and never will.

I do see why he did what he did.

Definitely a messaging problem in the party and a backbone problem.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

8. If our strategy is to do what Schumer is doing and move to the right like Newsom,

then J.D. Vance will be the next President because it's a losing strategy.

[Cheezoholic]

9. We have to do whatever we can to get to the midterms alive. There was no strategy here only 2 choices

And very very bad ones. Trust me, if the government were shutdown we would not have one right this minute. At least we have some semblance of a defense with the courts. They have yet to completely disregard court orders. They are pushing the courts to the very limits but they have folded (and appealed) on almost all of them. The crisis will happen when one of these cases gets to SCOTUS and they refuse an order from SCOTUS. THAT is a true Constitutional Crisis.

Once again, if the government shuts down there is the very real possibility that a National Emergency gets declared and the Executive takes over and can put the courts in "limbo" until the emergency is over, usually as declared by Congress which this Congress never would. We'd be finished then.

[Silent Type]

10. Don't know if Schumer's vote was right or wrong. I did read today that telemedicine will continue because of CR.

So, at least in that one respect, maybe avoiding shutdown was good. Medicare coverage was supposed to end March 31.

I suspect there are some other reasons to at least accept CR, and move on. Extension will end just as primaries are heating up.

Otherwise, I’m tired of seeing Schumer read meaningless statements in an empty Senate chamber. Probably time for a change anyway.

[EdmondDantes_]

11. It's interesting to me that often leaders in the House and Senate aren't better communicators

Schumer, McConnell, Harry Reid, any of the various Republican speakers. I can't recall hearing John Thune as a public speaker. Oddly John Boehner when he was resigning as House Speaker seemed better, but probably that was the first time he got to cut loose. Pelosi was good at it until the last few years when her speech got a little worse.

I get that their primary job is around rallying their caucus, but I would think it would translate better to public speaking than it does.

[newdeal2]

16. All those people also all have one thing in common

Time for newer leaders who can fight and know how to use modern media.

[obamanut2012]

13. I agree that's what the thing at rhe DOJ was

They were declaring a national emergency, naybe martial law. They weren't able to do it.

[Trust_Reality]

15. Schumer was/is going on a book tour at this time in our history??

[617Blue]

19. Not a penny until he's out of leadership. Why won't he face voters?

The Times, the View, Hayes...Chuck lives in a bubble

[Emile]

20. I'm sure glad he stopped Trump by giving the centrists cover.

But did he stop Trump?