I'll take the hate for this

[Aviation Pro]

But thank the deities for the 2A, it’s the only thing that prevents full blown fascism at this point.

And no, the Cult does not own all the weapons.

[LexVegas]

1. Rec. nt

[Bettie]

2. What is going to be funny is when

the right wing are the ones "grabbing" the guns.

Because it is coming.

[bluestarone]

7. THIS!

That is EXACTLY what they have in their plans! Kinda like russia.

[ShazzieB]

31. I had the same thought.

After all, the Orange Hellbeast ignores every other part of the Constitution. Why wouldn't he ignore that part?

[yardwork]

82. I wonder if the cult will meekly hand them over.

[TommyT139]

105. They'll be allowed to keep theirs.

And be offered free ammo if they get deputized.

[marble falls]

3. No hate at all. You are correct. They don't realize what's waiting for them the second they call, "it's on." ...

... a well regulated militia is needed for all those events our government can't or chooses not to protect us.

[sop]

4. Admiral Yamamoto: "You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."

[Think. Again.]

5. No hate, but so far....

...the only 2A attempts to stop fascism have failed. Bloody earlobes don't count in this fight.

[gab13by13]

11. I was visiting my 91 year old golfing buddy at the nursing home

and his daughter blurted out, too bad they didn't let that kid on the rifle team. I knew her dad was a Magat but it didn't rub off on his daughter.

[ShazzieB]

43. Wow, how did I miss that?

I had no idea what you were talking about, so I googled and found this:

Donald Trump Shooter Thomas Crooks Didn't Make School Rifle Club: Classmate
Source: https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-shooter-thomas-crooks-didnt-make-school-rifle-club-classmate/
No paywall: https://archive.ph/y5OKt

Somehow I missed that memo at the time. I'm sharing this in case anyone else is similarly out of the loop.

P.S. Your golfing buddy's daughter was right!

[RussBLib]

106. I think that was fake

...he could easily have had a blood capsule in his hand or behind his ear. He suddenly clasps his ear, popping the capsule. And they didn't give a shit about the guy who took the bullet. Why would these heartless powermad fucks care about just another Trump voter? And they sure took care of the shooter quickly. There was no autopsy, was there?

After all, Trump lies about EVERYTHING.

https://russblib.blogspot.com/?m=1

[milestogo]

6. When the fighting starts, I'll be in the medical tent.

[Hotler]

9. Thank you. We'll need medics. nt

[Aviation Pro]

10. You'll probably carry a sidearm

The Combat Support Hospital (CSH) will need to be defended if necessary.

[milestogo]

26. Got it.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

90. Who are you fighting?

Where?

[bluestarone]

8. Yep, first time we will have an American French underground

Right here in America. This is very possible!

[yellow dahlia]

60. As surreal as it is, I think about this inevitability.

I'd be good at the spy and surveillance stuff.

[bluestarone]

83. If it comes to this, I will

Do what ever i can. I would NOT worry about myself, but i would worry about my family members. I'm thinking if I personally did something, these TRAITORS will try and go after anybodies family members. The ones that cannot defend themselves. NEVER thought i'd ever be in this situation. Just thinking of what can possibly happen sends shivers down my back. It's OUR duty though!

[keep_left]

74. Such a resistance would be possibly even be funded by the French.

It wouldn't be the first time France supported a domestic resistance movement in this country, after all.

[Gore1FL]

12. My money is on the Air Force winning against the average citizen. nt

[Aviation Pro]

13. With what?

Most AF ground support assets are over tasked at this point including A-10s, F-16s, AC-130s and that stupid crop duster with guns. I’d be more concerned with helicopters.

[Gore1FL]

14. The point being, I'm not going to buy a gun so I can run into overwhelming odds to brutally die for a cause. nt

[Aviation Pro]

17. The farmers who took up arms during the Revolutionary War

Might have a different opinion.

[Gore1FL]

32. The didn't have to face the USAF. nt

[Aviation Pro]

36. No, they faced the most powerful nation and army at the time

……

[Gore1FL]

40. Who had a similar level of weapon tech.

I am pretty sure who will win between my hybrid filled with AR-15s vs an A-10.

[Alpeduez21]

57. The viet cong did. N/t

[Gore1FL]

70. They had M42 Self-Propelled Anti-Aircraft Guns, and support from U.S. adversaries providing for that proxy war.

My hybrid is going to be outmatched by an F-35.

[TnDem]

99. re: Air Force

The USAF and all of the B52's couldn't do shit to peasant farmers in Vietnam who wore black pajamas and recycled tire treads for their shoes and shot down scores of US aircraft.

An air force ain't "all that"...Ground troops win wars.

[ShazzieB]

52. How old were those farmers?

I'll be 75 a week from Friday, with less than perfect vision. I think firearm skills are best learned at an earlier age, and I missed that window by a long shot (pun intended). Put a gun in my hands at this late date, and I'd be more of a danger to myself than to anyone else.

Face it, not everyone is cut out to handle a gun safely, even if everyone was so inclined. I think it's best to leave the shooting to those who actually know what they're doing, and that ain't me.

P.S. Those Revolutionary War farmers wouldn't have let me join them anyway, no matter what my age was, because I have one too many X chromosomes.

[Cirsium]

75. Women in the Continental Army

Women whose husbands and fathers served on cannon crews hauled water to cool down and clean the cannon barrels and for the crew members to drink. These women were sometimes given the nickname of "Molly Pitcher" because they sometimes used pitchers to carry the water. Two of these women, Margaret Corbin and Mary Ludwig Hays, even helped serve on the cannon crews after their husbands were killed or wounded in battle. Corbin was wounded and received a soldier's pension. She is buried in West Point, NY.

https://www.nps.gov/articles/000/women-of-the-army.htm

New York teenager Sybil Ludington, was the female equivalent of Paul Revere, though she rode twice as far as Revere and in a driving rainstorm in April, 1777. Her ride took her through Putnam and Dutchess Counties, New York where she roused local militia to fight a British force that had attacked nearby Danbury, Connecticut. The Daughters of the American Revolution erected a heroic equestrian statue to Ludington in Carmel, New York along the forty-mile route she traveled.
...

Not unlike women eighty years later who disguised themselves as men to serve in the armies of the Civil War, women of the Revolutionary Era also itched to get into the fight, do their part for the cause, and be engaged in a historical moment. One of the best examples of a woman who disguised herself as a man to fight in the Continental Army was Deborah Sampson from Uxbridge, Massachusetts. Amazingly, she also has a paper trail concerning her combat service in the army, where she fought under the alias of Robert Shurtliff, the name of her deceased brother, in the light infantry company of the Fourth Massachusetts Regiment. She mustered into service in the spring of 1782 and saw action in Westchester County, New York just north of the City of New York where she was wounded in her thigh and forehead. Not wanting her identity to be revealed during medical care she permitted physicians to treat her head wound and then slipped out of the field hospital unnoticed, where she extracted one of the bullets from her thigh with a penknife and sewing needle. The other bullet was lodged too deep and her leg never fully healed. Her identity was finally revealed during the summer of 1783 when she contracted a fever while on duty in Philadelphia. The physician who treated her kept her secret and cared for her. After the Treaty of Paris, she was given an honorable discharge from the army by Henry Knox. Like other veterans of the Continental Army, she was continually petitioning the state and federal government for her service pension. She later married and had three children settling down in Sharon, Massachusetts. To help make ends meet she often gave public lectures about her wartime service. By the time she died in 1827, she was collecting minimal pensions for her service from Massachusetts and the federal government. In her memory a statue stands today outside the public library, in Sharon, honoring her Revolutionary War service and sacrifices.

https://www.battlefields.org/learn/articles/women-american-revolution

It would be absurd to think that during a time like the American Revolution when emotions ran so high, families were being torn apart, and one’s home, property, and lifestyle were at stake that there weren’t a handful of women who wanted to take up arms and pitch in. The military looked aside when young boys joined up. In many places boys as young as twelve were seen in the ranks. It was, therefore, not uncommon to see a soldier with no facial hair and one having a high voice. Since there were no real physical examinations for recruits, other than a cursory visual examination, some women who were not overly feminine in appearance, especially rural women whose hands and face showed a life of physical outdoor labor, were able to sneak into the ranks. The mores of the time dictated that a person’s body be pretty much covered all the time and full bathing was very infrequent, so it is possible to believe no one might catch on to the deception. There is evidence, as in the case of Deborah Samson, that some women were known to be such by their messmates, but because of their fighting ability and toughness were accepted as equals.

https://www.continentalline.org/CL/article-000202/

[ShazzieB]

45. I'm with you, Gore1FL.

I've never owned a gun in my life, and I'm not about to start at my age (75 on 3/28).

Among other things, I'm too much of a klutz to be trusted with any kind of deadly weapon.

[calikid]

96. Stupid crop duster with guns? What is this thing you speak of?

[Aviation Pro]

97. The Sky Warden, Sky Raider II whatever the hell they're calling it this week

[calikid]

98. Thank you It slightly resembles the converted Pawnees i tow gliders with. NOT

[Bobstandard]

55. Air superiority fails vs guerrilla warfare

It’s been shown time and time again that air superiority alone cannot defeat guerilla warfare tactics. Unless Trump commits to destroying entire towns and cities —which I don’t put past him,—he’s only got an endless quagmire facing him. The palace guard will turn on him before then.

Lord. Why is such thinking reasonable at this point? What’s become of us?

[Gore1FL]

56. I agree with your last line. But my point is, unlike a farmer in 1776, I am going to be outmatched in firepower.

Even if I pick the weapons the NRA thinks best to shoot up schools, they would be outclassed.

This fight won't be won with guns.

[dalton99a]

15. 100% correct.

[Aviation Pro]

18. Tough, small penised MAGAt

Gotta small penised MAGAt.

Enjoy your brief stay.

[calikid]

19. And adios to you too!

[calikid]

25. Wow! That was my first alert, it was so easy AND fun!

I've spent a lot of time on juries here.

[yorkster]

102. I did one once. It felt like a citizen's arrest!

But it was waaaay over the line. My finger went straight to the alert tab.

[GP6971]

20. First post huh? Adios yourself.

[William769]

23. That wasn't a hard decision.

[GP6971]

30. I was on the jury for

that idiot. Didn’t even have to read the whole post!! Classic shit for brains.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

21. Another gravy seal heard from.

[Happy Hoosier]

22. Lots of righties assume they are the only ones who are armed.

They are wrong.

I hope it doesn't scome to that.... and I'm too old and fat to be of any real military use, but I can defend my home.

[usedtobedemgurl]

24. I am buying a gun this weekend!

[sarisataka]

35. What do you plan to get? nt

[usedtobedemgurl]

37. Someone here was recommending a

30-30 lever action combine type of pistol. From the description they gave, it sounded like it would work for me. There's a gun show in town this weekend and in my state, for gun shows, you don't need no stinking' background check!

[sarisataka]

85. I would suggest talking to the dealers

about your needs (hunting, self-defense, home protection...) they may have some advice. A 30-30 lever is a good all-purpose rifle but they can be more expensive than equally good firearms.

If you make the purchase from a licensed firearm dealer you will need a stinkin' background check. However your state may not have additional permit requirements.

[usedtobedemgurl]

95. I kind of looked into requirements when i was arguing with a gun enthusiast.

I said everyone should have a background check. She said they do in our state. I provided a link showing gun shows have a loophole. She never commented back!

As for the "stinkin'" background check, I was kind of making fun of the other side feeling rules do not apply to them. As long as I can kill someone trespassing on my property, if things get bad or they come after us, I will take what I can get. Thank you for the tips. I already have mace, many knives and a big machette. I need something I can use from a distance.

[berksdem]

63. I just bought one!

[FoxNewsSucks]

59. That's true, the only problem for us is

that they went out and stocked up on AR-15s and bump-stocks. Armed liberals usually just have a handgun for home use or hunting rifle. I, for example, have a .30-30, a 12-gauge and a .22. I've had them since high school. That's what we used when we went hunting and I've never needed anything else since. I lived in cities my adult life and had nowhere to shoot anything like an AR, so never felt compelled to spend $1500 on one.

Who knows, maybe I should have bought a few like they did.

[Happy Hoosier]

79. It seems a shame we're driven to this....

I enjoy target shooting... even with my AR-15. But not everyone does and it's a shame that folks who don;t enjoy recreational shooting are now feeling compelled to arm themselves with weapons they have no particular interest in. But given that we are NOT going to get rid of such weapons any time soon, and actual political violence feels more likely every day, here we are.

You can get a decent AR for less than $1000. But as with any gun, you really do need to spend time and money learning how to shoot it.

It's crazy. But if your scenario is defending yourself and home against political terrorism, the .30-.30 and decent defensive handgun are probably enough.

At least for me, I don't see myself going "in the field." I'm old. I'm fat. I'm mainly worried about local yahoos attemtping to terrorize us with drive-by harrassment. I still consider that unlikely. I live in a neighborhood that feels very safe, and I don't go out of my way to draw attention to myself. But it feels like things are deteriorating rapidly.

[Ocelot II]

27. I've thought I might want to dust off that old shotgun in my closet

and buy a box of shells. I don't know if it would be good for much of anything, since I know what the outcome of a battle of the Army vs. me and my shotgun would be, but at least I might be able to hold off a raid by marauding MAGAts.

[Walleye]

28. Ha! It's the United States government that owns all the weapons.And we don't happen to be in that organization right now

[Happy Hoosier]

80. I'm not worried about the Army rolling in.... not yet, anyway....

I'm worried about Bubba and Cleetus trying to scare the F*** outta the Librul College Perfeser and her soy-boy husband.

If I'm facing the Army, I'm doomed. But I Bubba and Cleetus? I stand a decent chance.

[kelly1mm]

29. It is quite amazing to see the lack of posts calling for/supporting gun control since last November here. Kind

of like how the filibuster is back in vouge and no longer an 'undemocratic relic of Jim Crow'.

[sarisataka]

34. It is interesting how quickly attitudes turned

I even remember when RW types talked about fighting the government- "what are your little pop guns going to do against M1 tanks, stealth bombers and drones" was said here. Apparently our pop guns will be more effective.

[JI7]

33. Gun Nut culture is why we have ended up where we are

and it's doing nothing to help anyone. The government has far more powerful weapons.

[johnnyplankton]

38. What does 2Arefer to? Sorry.

[OneGrassRoot]

39. 2nd Amendment n/t

[johnnyplankton]

42. Duh. Thanks!

[Wednesdays]

41. No hate, but then there's this...

[Aviation Pro]

44. What do all these representations of firepower require?

Logistics.

[cadoman]

104. decimating a place is a vastly different task from controlling it

It's why Ukraine--even with fewer troops and weapons--can dig in and hold land for extended periods of time.

I fear we may be facing our own Russian invasion soon. We must learn as much as possible from our Ukrainian sisters and brothers.

[CaptainTruth]

46. "being necessary to the security of a free State"

For years I've been one of the few saying individual gun ownership is not "necessary to the security of a free State" (as the 2A specifies) because we have the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, National Guard, county Sherriffs, local Police etc etc etc.

I've said that with all of those forces in place, some random guy in Kansas with a rifle is not "necessary to the security of a free State". We've got it covered without him.

However, for the first time in my life I feel differently. I feel like with what's happening now, the 2A may absolutely be "necessary to the security of a free State".

I never thought it would happen here... & now I agree with you.

[Martin Eden]

47. Do you predict a bloody civil war?

Such a tragic catastrophe is certainly not to be hoped for.

[Cheezoholic]

48. While agree,, IF it happens the first line to be drawn will be within the military

Hagletooth can't purge the entire military of leaders with integrity in 2 months or 6 months or even a year. He definitely can't read their minds to find out where their true loyalties lie. The fault will initially begin to slip when the Executive absolutely breaks with the Judiciary. At the time the loyalty test could begin to take place within the military. Loyal to a rogue administration or loyal to that to which they took their oath, the Constitution. I think, hope, they will choose the latter in larger numbers than following a madman and his cronies.

[Tetrachloride]

49. I have heard local rumbling once in a while here. however, coffee still remains more important in my area than anything

[maxsolomon]

50. How will it prevent full blown fascism now?

I don't think your arsenal is going to save the Republic the way you imagine.

[Paladin]

51. I'm with you, Aviation Pro.

And as some of you DU Old-Timers know, there is nobody on this site that is a bigger simultaneous gun owner and gun control advocate than me---my fights on the DU gun forums with the pro-gun absolutists were legendary, way back when. My only advice, and I'm very, very serious about this: Those of you acquiring your first firearms need to get some solid training as to the proper use and maintenance of those weapons. A phone call or two to your local gun ranges or sporting goods stores should help with this.

Best of luck to everybody in these terrifying times.

[3825-87867]

53. We all need to stock up on wooden shoes!

[Amaryllis]

54. I dont understand your op. how does the 2 A prevent full blown fascism?

[Traildogbob]

58. No hate from me

ALL my powder is dry. It would be much more satisfying to run a fist straight through the smirking mugs and deep into the vacant brain cavity of all these ass boils Bowing to Trump. They are so damned inviting. Not enough room to name them all. So fill in your own fav. Moses comes to mind.

[MontanaMama]

61. No hate from me.

I’ve been saying the same thing in this house for the past two months. I believe it’s coming. Scares me to death but here we are. And no, the cult doesn’t own all the weapons. Not by a long shot.

[surfered]

62. I appreciate the spirit, but if they find compliant commanders willing to follow

illegal orders, they will have every military weapon available, including drones, to use against us. Most dead Russian soldiers in Ukraine never saw what hit them.

[shanti]

91. Drones

They are just itching to use them on us.

[DENVERPOPS]

64. The RepubliCONs had better hope

that their Trumphumping followers never "awaken" to the fact that THEY HAVE BEEN PLAYED MAGNIFICENTLY, and have been totally "conned" by Trump, the master of manipulation and lies.

If you think: "Hell hath no fury like woman scorned" ........a person or worse, a group of people, who suddenly realize they have been "conned" and "played," are even worse............

However, the ReubliCONs, have them all so brainwashed and indoctrinated, they are probably immune to any such thinking......

[h2ebits]

65. Pardon my ignorance but: What is the 2A?

[sop]

66. Second Amendment

[orangecrush]

67. Comes after 1A

[podex101]

68. Join the club

Ladies and Gentlemen,
My wife and I are devoted Democrats.
I own a small arsenal; a single shot .22 rifle, I use it to teach my grandkids to be responsible with firearms, two 22 Ruger pistols, two 1911s, two .40 S&W Pistol, 30.06 Pump action rifle, a mini-14, .380 Pistol, 30-30 W Rifle. and enough ammo for all.
I am also retired from the USA, went to four wars and a conflict down in South America.
I was trained by the Iraqis on MOUT. It should have been the other way around but I had a lot to learn from them. We taught them how to use our weapons and they taught us how to deploy against the insurgents in unconventional ways.

I am ready.

Our enlistment oath has no end date.

USA (R)

[Aviation Pro]

69. Thank you, brother

Wait until the dark humor begins here.

[Aviation Pro]

71. For those who think there's a magic UAV/UAS (FPV Drone) fairy out there

How do you think the Ukraine forces deploy so many of them?

3D printers and YouTube.

Never underestimate the ability of smart people to innovate when necessary.

[Orrex]

72. Funny how Reichwing gun fetishists claim that guns protect against tyranny...

But then they instantly fell into lockstep goosestep behind the tyrant when he reared his empty head

[Duncan Grant]

73. You can't eat bullets.

If this shoot ‘em up fantasy of neighbor fighting neighbor were to actualize itself, it would disrupt our delicate, 24-hour distribution network. Electricity will be unreliable, if it exist at all. One will either starve to death or eventually die of exposure.

FYI: 20% of the population is 65+. That’s millions of vulnerable people. And we’re a nation of squishy couch potatoes. Maybe a gun fight isn’t our first and best strategy?

[MorbidButterflyTat]

93. On another thread

we were reprimanded for not facing "reality."

[JustAnotherGen]

76. Standing

shoulder to shoulder with you.

[CuriousSavage]

77. Now is the time to think of what was once unthinkable

I have not served or claim to speak with any close knowledge of military leadership. The members of the military I do know are right to hard-right politically but they are "Americans". Shitforbrains only knows how to triple down on every poor decision. More and more people will be effected and they'll begin to find their voices. I think there will be a gradual increase in civil unrest and the military will eventually be tasked to address it. Some scared private will make a mistake or a rabid magat will hear the call to "protect America" and then blood will spill. Air power, tanks and APCs are formidable but I just cannot think of our service men and women leveling American cities and spraying bullets into protesters. Tragedies will happen but ultimately, I have faith that the military as a whole will not comply. This is when some in the police and militias would gleefully take their place to do the dirty work. Shitforbrains has already begun laying the groundwork for that.

I believe that we are more easily manipulated now than ever before. Our media is corrupt. Guardrails weakened. Everything about our lives is in a database somewhere. If they can't find something deemed treasonous, they'll make something up. This is what terrifies me about Musk and the government's complete surrender to DOGE. All it takes is a few strategic clicks and our fragile normal lives can be turned upside down. As the richest man in the world, why exactly is he spending his time on this endeavor? What is the endgame? As crazy as it sounds, I think having that much money gets boring after a while and he craves raw power of a new aristocracy.

Wrap your brains around the unthinkable and maybe you have a chance when it comes to your doorstep.

[Bluestocking]

78. Oh please

Can you all get a grip. There is no place on this site for talk about guns unless it is about gun control. Guns kill innocent school children. There is not going to be a violent uprising. Those non-MAGA idiots that either voted for trump or just did not vote are currently having their oh shit moment. In 2026 we will take back Congress and in 2028 the White House. In the meantime things are going to suck.

[Duncan Grant]

86. Welcome to DU.

The gun enigma. I’ll never understand it. Again, welcome!

[Paladin]

87. Hope to hell you're correct about 2026 and 2028.

In the meantime, welcome.

[yardwork]

81. Nobody wants me to fire a gun.

I can't aim. I will have to resist in other ways.

However, I agree with you that a lot of keyboard warriors may not realize how many Democrats own weapons and know how to use them.

I sincerely hope it doesn't come to that.

[Kaleva]

84. What has to happen before you start using them?

What is your line in the sand? And what would you consider legit military targets?

[TommyT139]

107. "legit military targets"?

There is no legal use of military against civilians.

[Kaleva]

110. In WWII there was

[GenThePerservering]

88. I've always believed strongly in the 2A

in its original sense - a well-organized militia. We have a tyrannical government at this time. The use of a gun would be to protect myself and mine in the event of a local incursion of Trump's Goons, as a member of an organized militia.

I also don't agree with some kind of ban on discussion of guns here except in the narrowly defined limits of being against them. Sorry, that's no better than being forced to love them.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

89. Really?

How?

[MayReasonRule]

92. Walk In Gun Safes Are Under Rated

[Simeon Salus]

94. Slaughterbots don't care, and they're cheaper than guns

[LudwigPastorius]

100. ...and how is a population armed with ARs and Glocks going to do against...

the full might of the U.S. military? (...assuming Trump's remade Pentagon executes his orders)

[Old Testament Libera]

108. The US military might be busy

...Invading Canada. Though if Drumpf continues purging top officers, he will find out what Uncle Joe Stalin found - you can transform the most powerful army on earth to a second or third rate army, if you purge all the officers and troops who know anything about how to fight and lead in combat. It took the Red Army two years and fifteen million casualties to regain something like basic competence - 1941-43.

They can come for me, but I won't go quietly. Nor will a lot of other "armed liberals"

F____ it, I'm 71 years old.

[Old Testament Libera]

109. Citizens could also make explosive drones

Buy a cheap commercial drone and attach something nasty to it, like the Ukrainians do

[Historic NY]

101. Pretty soon that going to be the only amendment left

[Permanut]

103. This Navy vet is right there with ya, Aviation Pro.

Less than ten percent of gun owners belong to the NRA; then there's the rest of us.

Great thread, thanks for posting - and to all responders above who have contributed to the discussion.