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LetMyPeopleVote

(179,869 posts)
Wed Mar 19, 2025, 01:03 PM Mar 2025

Tesla's Gamble on MAGA Customers Won't Work

Musk is running off all or most of the liberals and Democrats who might buy a Tesla. Musk will not be able to replace these liberals or democrats with MAGA assholes

I want to watch as Tesla stock plummets to 99 cents a share.

🎁 Gift Link: Tesla’s Gamble on MAGA Customers Won’t Work www.bloomberg.com/news/article...

Kraig (@kraigb.bsky.social) 2025-03-18T17:05:13.464Z



https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-03-18/elon-musk-s-tesla-bet-on-maga-customers-will-fail

With that in mind, consider Tesla Inc., which is in the middle of what might be politely described as a vibe shift. The company has long enjoyed a massive advantage among the predominantly left-of-center car buyers who make up the American market for electric vehicles. First, because it was pretty much the only game in town for zippy, attractive EVs, and then, as more competition emerged, because owning a Tesla had already become a status symbol for a certain kind of affluent progressive. Until recently, Tesla Chief Executive Officer Elon Musk had enthusiastically encouraged that association, branding himself and his company as bold, brash innovators fighting climate change.

And, well, Musk—whose massive public profile as the face of Tesla has always been one of the company’s main value propositions for investors and car buyers alike—isn’t doing that anymore. He’s swung the whole operation to the hard right, positioning Tesla as an antagonist to pretty much its entire customer base.

That base has gotten the message: Cybertruck owners have found their vehicles defaced with everything from spray paint to dog feces, and embarrassed drivers of less controversial Tesla models have taken to adding bumper stickers or magnets to their cars to make clear they purchased them before they knew about Musk’s politics. Tesla showrooms and Superchargers have attracted “Tesla Takedown” protests across the US, and a handful of suspected arson incidents of the company’s cars and facilities have also been reported. Sales numbers and registration rates for new Teslas have fallen around the world in 2025: Sales are down 45% across Europe; in Australia, the Electric Vehicle Council estimates a sales drop of 70% over the previous year; in China, shipments of domestically manufactured Teslas have plunged 49%.......

There’s little indication that Musk will simply be able to switch his product from one ideological market to another of equal size, having now remade Tesla into a symbol of sneering anti-progressivism. Some Tesla watchers posit that all of this will be little more than a bump in the road toward some masterful gambit that will make the company’s traditional customer base irrelevant—perhaps the advent of self-driving robotaxis, which Musk has promised for years are just over the horizon.......

Fundamentally, though, Musk seems to have made a similar error with Tesla that he made a couple of years ago with one of his other businesses, Twitter. In that instance, he stripped the blue verification checkmarks that the social platform’s old regime had given out freely to public figures and journalists, viewing them largely as markers of elite status within the platform’s petty little social hierarchy. (We were, to be fair, very annoying about the blue checks.) Under Musk, anyone who wanted their blue check back would have to pay a monthly fee to the company, and anyone who wanted one for the first time could also buy in. The company’s leadership seemed surprised when relatively few people volunteered to pay, but they shouldn’t have been. The verification marks had been changed from a symbol of professional status into a symbol of fealty to Musk, which meant they weren’t valuable to the same people anymore.

Brands decide to pursue new types of customers all the time, but usually they do so consciously—they find a target market and court it, often after assembling some kind of proof that they might be able to foment a particular type of demand among a new set of buyers. That’s why soda brands launch healthy beverages, for example, or why Louis Vuitton recently announced plans to introduce a line of color cosmetics. These companies know that some of the goodwill they’ve built up among the public can be transferred to new products, if done carefully—the meaning remains stable, but it’s contained in new vessels. What Musk is trying to do with Tesla, knowingly or not, is something different. The cars are the same, but he’s changed their meaning to satisfy a much smaller audience: himself.

Redneck, ignorant Maga types will not be buying Teslas
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Tesla's Gamble on MAGA Customers Won't Work (Original Post) LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2025 OP
Musk doesn't really care about Tesla Johnny2X2X Mar 2025 #1
He gets bored quickly & needs a bigger & bigger power 'fix' to assuage his insecurities Attilatheblond Mar 2025 #13
I think he's a legit sadist Johnny2X2X Mar 2025 #19
Yep. Unless you can rig a Tesla to roll coal, Aristus Mar 2025 #2
They're outta the maga price range MagickMuffin Mar 2025 #3
This is true of the MAGA in my area, and the (very) few that I know Mike 03 Mar 2025 #6
And the few who are won't buy a vehicle that is glued together Attilatheblond Mar 2025 #14
You don't have to be wealthy to afford a Tesla Polybius Mar 2025 #20
Maybe if Tesla made a monster truck. Dulcinea Mar 2025 #23
Or put a place where you can hang balls under the truck. MAGA idiots think that's cool too. dem4decades Mar 2025 #26
Big Balls sop Mar 2025 #28
Prices on used ones are dropping 3x faster than other brands. tinrobot Mar 2025 #31
That is not true NickB79 Mar 2025 #36
Here in so calif, Teslas everywhere..its a very California car..or it was Demovictory9 Mar 2025 #4
No it won't because the magas don't believe clean energy, climate change, etc. That and the fact that more competition JohnSJ Mar 2025 #5
COMING SOON: Amid plunging sales, Republicans propose $100 billion bailout for Tesla and Musk dalton99a Mar 2025 #7
Any excuse to send federal dollars to the guy who is bullying them while robbing us Attilatheblond Mar 2025 #15
As Americans increasingly view owning a Tesla as like driving a MAGA hat with wheels, LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2025 #8
No problem, the "Shallow State" will mandate all government and USPS vehicles be Teslas. usonian Mar 2025 #9
What a shame! Even after Pres Musk forced co-Pres Trump to do a White House commercial. Norrrm Mar 2025 #10
I disagree that he doesn't care serbbral Mar 2025 #33
Just For Emphasis ProfessorGAC Mar 2025 #11
I laugh looking at the signs on this Tesla I saw last week ! kimbutgar Mar 2025 #12
+1 dalton99a Mar 2025 #16
Just sell the fucking car, you're embarrassing yourself. dem4decades Mar 2025 #27
Pretty hard to say "drill baby drill" and "where's my charging station" at the same. bluesbassman Mar 2025 #17
Four top officers offloaded over $100 million in shares since early last month Torchlight Mar 2025 #18
This new Tesla commercial is great! LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2025 #21
+1. Great video dalton99a Mar 2025 #32
Tesla is hanging by a thread. With collapse in resale market they are toast. LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2025 #22
The lower income MAGAts can't afford a Tesler Best_man23 Mar 2025 #24
In the broader view newer electric cars Johonny Mar 2025 #25
Gravity may be finally catching up to Elon Musk as Tesla stock tumbles LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2025 #29
...and if it does work, then the MAGAs are all driving electric cars. tinrobot Mar 2025 #30
Most reviewers don't rank Teslas near the top on their lists of "Best EVs." sop Mar 2025 #34
Fuck muskrat and his Swasticar. Dave Bowman Mar 2025 #35
Who would insure one of these targets for vandalism? LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2025 #37
Insurance will not cover some teslas LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2025 #38

Johnny2X2X

(24,210 posts)
1. Musk doesn't really care about Tesla
Wed Mar 19, 2025, 01:08 PM
Mar 2025

Musk cares about power. His vast wealth is only meaningful to him for the power it gives him. The money he gave Trump was returned to him in the form of power that he has as head of the governement (DOGE) right now.

Sure, Musk likes being the richest man in the world, but not because he's materialistic, he's famously not materialistic at all, but because that makes him powerful. He is driven by exercising power over other people and power over decisions and things.

Tesla atock is no longer Musk's biggest source of wealth anyway. Tesla was a means to an end for him, he'll abandon it eventually now that he's gotten all the power he could want.

Attilatheblond

(8,880 posts)
13. He gets bored quickly & needs a bigger & bigger power 'fix' to assuage his insecurities
Wed Mar 19, 2025, 01:58 PM
Mar 2025

Not enough money, not enough power to fill the empty man

Johnny2X2X

(24,210 posts)
19. I think he's a legit sadist
Wed Mar 19, 2025, 02:13 PM
Mar 2025

He only gets pleasure from hurting others. I think if you told him that all the people he screwed over with DOGE committed suicide he would get the biggest thrill of his life. The power over life and death is his ultimate ambrosia.

Aristus

(72,188 posts)
2. Yep. Unless you can rig a Tesla to roll coal,
Wed Mar 19, 2025, 01:08 PM
Mar 2025

the redneck, hillbillies, clodhoppers, and swamp swimmers of right-wing America aren't going to buy one.

Mike 03

(18,690 posts)
6. This is true of the MAGA in my area, and the (very) few that I know
Wed Mar 19, 2025, 01:19 PM
Mar 2025

Running through the mental inventory, I can think of possibly one couple in their 70s who might be able to afford a Tesla, but they have many side-issues and complications (both of them have cancer and have stopped taking vacations, which could have to do with either money or just wanting to appreciate their lives in a different way). That couple is hard to read because if you scanned their lives you'd assume they would be vehemently pro-military and anti-Putin. I think the husband may be dependent on the VA.

Polybius

(21,902 posts)
20. You don't have to be wealthy to afford a Tesla
Wed Mar 19, 2025, 02:14 PM
Mar 2025

Their base price for their new Model 3 and Model Y are in the mid-high $30,000's.

Dulcinea

(10,094 posts)
23. Maybe if Tesla made a monster truck.
Wed Mar 19, 2025, 03:26 PM
Mar 2025

No, those godawful $100K dumpsters on wheels don't count.

dem4decades

(14,060 posts)
26. Or put a place where you can hang balls under the truck. MAGA idiots think that's cool too.
Wed Mar 19, 2025, 03:50 PM
Mar 2025

tinrobot

(12,062 posts)
31. Prices on used ones are dropping 3x faster than other brands.
Wed Mar 19, 2025, 04:01 PM
Mar 2025

You can pick a decent used one for the same or less than a used gas car.

NickB79

(20,356 posts)
36. That is not true
Wed Mar 19, 2025, 05:07 PM
Mar 2025

Lots of MAGA gladly spend $75K on shiny, massive pickup trucks (a lot of my coworkers, for example). And then pay $100/wk or more to gas up their guzzlers.

But they DO get a big boost to their fragile masculinity by driving these behemoths, something a Tesla doesn't deliver.

So, they'll glady take on a $1000/mo car payment, as long as it makes them feel like they've got big dicks.

Demovictory9

(37,113 posts)
4. Here in so calif, Teslas everywhere..its a very California car..or it was
Wed Mar 19, 2025, 01:10 PM
Mar 2025

I expect sales will crater...and anti environmentalist red states will NOT pick up the slack

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
5. No it won't because the magas don't believe clean energy, climate change, etc. That and the fact that more competition
Wed Mar 19, 2025, 01:12 PM
Mar 2025

and alternatives are hitting the markets will only accelerate more people away from Tesla.

Attilatheblond

(8,880 posts)
15. Any excuse to send federal dollars to the guy who is bullying them while robbing us
Wed Mar 19, 2025, 02:02 PM
Mar 2025

Yep, I figure you are correct. I'm old enough to remember W Bush and his boss Dick Cheney got huge rebates for Hummer buyers when their lil war didn't impress enough potential buyers.

usonian

(25,325 posts)
9. No problem, the "Shallow State" will mandate all government and USPS vehicles be Teslas.
Wed Mar 19, 2025, 01:35 PM
Mar 2025

No conflict of interest at all.

Of course, removing all those chargers won't help.

So, I guess your next government vehicle will look like this:



Seen any F-150's at the Tesla trade-in lot?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Norrrm

(5,059 posts)
10. What a shame! Even after Pres Musk forced co-Pres Trump to do a White House commercial.
Wed Mar 19, 2025, 01:41 PM
Mar 2025

OK ----

serbbral

(333 posts)
33. I disagree that he doesn't care
Wed Mar 19, 2025, 04:05 PM
Mar 2025

I know you meant to be sarcastic. However, what you stated is the very reason why I think it does matter to him. Of course the cars will not make that much of a difference in his wealth, but I think he cares. I don't think Trump would have done that commercial if it didn't.

ProfessorGAC

(76,706 posts)
11. Just For Emphasis
Wed Mar 19, 2025, 01:52 PM
Mar 2025
Brands decide to pursue new types of customers all the time, but usually they do so consciously—they find a target market and court it, often after assembling some kind of proof that they might be able to foment a particular type of demand among a new set of buyer

This is obviously true, but well-run companies don't pursue new customer segments to replace the existing customer base that the brand alienated. They are looking to expand their share, not looking for a way to tread water.
The author implies this, but I thought it important to state it explicitly.Tesla is doing it wrong!

bluesbassman

(20,384 posts)
17. Pretty hard to say "drill baby drill" and "where's my charging station" at the same.
Wed Mar 19, 2025, 02:06 PM
Mar 2025

The FauxKing and Eloon are pretty good at talking out of both sides of their mouths, the mouth breathing MAGAts, not so much.

Torchlight

(6,830 posts)
18. Four top officers offloaded over $100 million in shares since early last month
Wed Mar 19, 2025, 02:09 PM
Mar 2025

Shares have plummeted over 40 percent since the beginning of the year, wiping out all gains Tesla had made since trump was reselected. Sales numbers have fallen off a cliff in key markets around the world. Tesla's performance is down in almost every single European market. (Fortune Magazine)

It's getting harder and harder to put lipstick on this e-pig, and more and more fun watching people trying to.

Best_man23

(5,268 posts)
24. The lower income MAGAts can't afford a Tesler
Wed Mar 19, 2025, 03:33 PM
Mar 2025

Nearly all the upper middle income MAGAts would not be caught dead in or driving any hybrid/electric car or truck. You know them, they're the ones with the $1400/month DirtyMax or SuperDoody with the 6 inch exhaust and DEF system deleted.

The upper income MAGAts might pony up for a Tesler, but there are not enough of them to counter the millions who previously purchased Teslers. Tesler sales in Germany are down over 90% and I anticipate other EU countries, the UK, and Canada will quickly follow suit (if they haven't already).

Tesler has to report quarterly earnings late next month. That investor's call might be an interesting listen.

Johonny

(26,179 posts)
25. In the broader view newer electric cars
Wed Mar 19, 2025, 03:42 PM
Mar 2025

Are hitting the market and he is simply not going to compete against them. His share even in "Tesla" friendly markets is drying up. Now these markets are unfriendly to Tesla, the bottom could be the limit. Then there is the self licking ice cream cone that is SpaceX . . .

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,869 posts)
29. Gravity may be finally catching up to Elon Musk as Tesla stock tumbles
Wed Mar 19, 2025, 03:55 PM
Mar 2025

Anyone not ditching their Tesla stock isn't paying attention to the signals that are now everywhere as to how this will end for Musk—namely, very badly. Americans won't stand for a coup orchestrated by a fascist, sociopathic South African centibillionaire.

Gravity may be finally catching up to Elon Musk as Tesla stock tumbles

www.cnn.com/2025/03/19/b...

Jerry Chamberlain (@jezparker.bsky.social) 2025-03-19T18:39:09.568Z



https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/19/business/elon-musk-tesla-stock-nightcap/index.html

Elon Musk’s DC power grab hasn’t been the Tesla-stock jet fuel investors were expecting.

Tesla shares have fallen more than 40% since January — erasing all of the “Trump bump” that briefly saw the stock gain more than 90% after Election Day. Musk, whose wealth is overwhelmingly linked to his Tesla holdings, has personally lost $121 billion from his net worth over the past three months.

So what happened? Why hasn’t Musk’s rapid ascent into oligarch territory helped rescue his “baby” (as President Trump called Tesla during the pair’s bizarre ad-like press conference last week on the South Lawn)?

There are two main reasons:

Tesla sales are cratering around the world, and…
Its CEO isn’t doing anything to stop it.

While Musk is holed up in the EEOB looking for ways to break the federal government, Tesla’s core business is in crisis......

A CNN poll last week found that 53% of Americans have a negative view of Musk, while roughly 60% say he has neither the right experience nor the right judgment to make the kinds of sweeping cuts his “department” is carrying out.....

Prices on pre-owned Teslas are falling at more than double the rate of the average car, according to research by CarGurus. Used cars overall have fallen 2.7% year over year, while used Teslas have declined 7.3%. A used Cybertruck, Tesla’s head-scratching experiment in car design that looks like it was based on a dare, is worth a whopping 58% less on the resale market......

Musk has made his name synonymous with Tesla — a fact that served them both well when Tesla seemed unstoppable and Musk became the world’s richest person.

But Tesla no longer seems unstoppable, and Musk no longer seems stable. That could prove a toxic pairing.

tinrobot

(12,062 posts)
30. ...and if it does work, then the MAGAs are all driving electric cars.
Wed Mar 19, 2025, 03:57 PM
Mar 2025

Not necessarily a bad thing for the planet.

Plus, all those insipid anti-EV talking points go away.

sop

(18,626 posts)
34. Most reviewers don't rank Teslas near the top on their lists of "Best EVs."
Wed Mar 19, 2025, 04:06 PM
Mar 2025

Teslas aren't very competetive EVs, there are many other better choices.

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