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Musk is running off all or most of the liberals and Democrats who might buy a Tesla. Musk will not be able to replace these liberals or democrats with MAGA assholes
I want to watch as Tesla stock plummets to 99 cents a share.
— Kraig (@kraigb.bsky.social) 2025-03-18T17:05:13.464Z
ð Gift Link: Teslaâs Gamble on MAGA Customers Wonât Work www.bloomberg.com/news/article...
Link to tweet
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-03-18/elon-musk-s-tesla-bet-on-maga-customers-will-fail
And, well, Muskwhose massive public profile as the face of Tesla has always been one of the companys main value propositions for investors and car buyers alikeisnt doing that anymore. Hes swung the whole operation to the hard right, positioning Tesla as an antagonist to pretty much its entire customer base.
That base has gotten the message: Cybertruck owners have found their vehicles defaced with everything from spray paint to dog feces, and embarrassed drivers of less controversial Tesla models have taken to adding bumper stickers or magnets to their cars to make clear they purchased them before they knew about Musks politics. Tesla showrooms and Superchargers have attracted Tesla Takedown protests across the US, and a handful of suspected arson incidents of the companys cars and facilities have also been reported. Sales numbers and registration rates for new Teslas have fallen around the world in 2025: Sales are down 45% across Europe; in Australia, the Electric Vehicle Council estimates a sales drop of 70% over the previous year; in China, shipments of domestically manufactured Teslas have plunged 49%.......
Theres little indication that Musk will simply be able to switch his product from one ideological market to another of equal size, having now remade Tesla into a symbol of sneering anti-progressivism. Some Tesla watchers posit that all of this will be little more than a bump in the road toward some masterful gambit that will make the companys traditional customer base irrelevantperhaps the advent of self-driving robotaxis, which Musk has promised for years are just over the horizon.......
Fundamentally, though, Musk seems to have made a similar error with Tesla that he made a couple of years ago with one of his other businesses, Twitter. In that instance, he stripped the blue verification checkmarks that the social platforms old regime had given out freely to public figures and journalists, viewing them largely as markers of elite status within the platforms petty little social hierarchy. (We were, to be fair, very annoying about the blue checks.) Under Musk, anyone who wanted their blue check back would have to pay a monthly fee to the company, and anyone who wanted one for the first time could also buy in. The companys leadership seemed surprised when relatively few people volunteered to pay, but they shouldnt have been. The verification marks had been changed from a symbol of professional status into a symbol of fealty to Musk, which meant they werent valuable to the same people anymore.
Brands decide to pursue new types of customers all the time, but usually they do so consciouslythey find a target market and court it, often after assembling some kind of proof that they might be able to foment a particular type of demand among a new set of buyers. Thats why soda brands launch healthy beverages, for example, or why Louis Vuitton recently announced plans to introduce a line of color cosmetics. These companies know that some of the goodwill theyve built up among the public can be transferred to new products, if done carefullythe meaning remains stable, but its contained in new vessels. What Musk is trying to do with Tesla, knowingly or not, is something different. The cars are the same, but hes changed their meaning to satisfy a much smaller audience: himself.
Redneck, ignorant Maga types will not be buying Teslas
Johnny2X2X
(24,210 posts)Musk cares about power. His vast wealth is only meaningful to him for the power it gives him. The money he gave Trump was returned to him in the form of power that he has as head of the governement (DOGE) right now.
Sure, Musk likes being the richest man in the world, but not because he's materialistic, he's famously not materialistic at all, but because that makes him powerful. He is driven by exercising power over other people and power over decisions and things.
Tesla atock is no longer Musk's biggest source of wealth anyway. Tesla was a means to an end for him, he'll abandon it eventually now that he's gotten all the power he could want.
Attilatheblond
(8,880 posts)Not enough money, not enough power to fill the empty man
Johnny2X2X
(24,210 posts)He only gets pleasure from hurting others. I think if you told him that all the people he screwed over with DOGE committed suicide he would get the biggest thrill of his life. The power over life and death is his ultimate ambrosia.
Aristus
(72,188 posts)the redneck, hillbillies, clodhoppers, and swamp swimmers of right-wing America aren't going to buy one.
MagickMuffin
(18,318 posts)Most maga are not wealthy people.
Mike 03
(18,690 posts)Running through the mental inventory, I can think of possibly one couple in their 70s who might be able to afford a Tesla, but they have many side-issues and complications (both of them have cancer and have stopped taking vacations, which could have to do with either money or just wanting to appreciate their lives in a different way). That couple is hard to read because if you scanned their lives you'd assume they would be vehemently pro-military and anti-Putin. I think the husband may be dependent on the VA.
Attilatheblond
(8,880 posts)and is allergic to water.
Polybius
(21,902 posts)Their base price for their new Model 3 and Model Y are in the mid-high $30,000's.
Dulcinea
(10,094 posts)No, those godawful $100K dumpsters on wheels don't count.
dem4decades
(14,060 posts)sop
(18,626 posts)tinrobot
(12,062 posts)You can pick a decent used one for the same or less than a used gas car.
NickB79
(20,356 posts)Lots of MAGA gladly spend $75K on shiny, massive pickup trucks (a lot of my coworkers, for example). And then pay $100/wk or more to gas up their guzzlers.
But they DO get a big boost to their fragile masculinity by driving these behemoths, something a Tesla doesn't deliver.
So, they'll glady take on a $1000/mo car payment, as long as it makes them feel like they've got big dicks.
Demovictory9
(37,113 posts)I expect sales will crater...and anti environmentalist red states will NOT pick up the slack
JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)and alternatives are hitting the markets will only accelerate more people away from Tesla.
dalton99a
(94,133 posts)Attilatheblond
(8,880 posts)Yep, I figure you are correct. I'm old enough to remember W Bush and his boss Dick Cheney got huge rebates for Hummer buyers when their lil war didn't impress enough potential buyers.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,869 posts)usonian
(25,325 posts)No conflict of interest at all.
Of course, removing all those chargers won't help.
So, I guess your next government vehicle will look like this:

Seen any F-150's at the Tesla trade-in lot?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Norrrm
(5,059 posts)OK ----
serbbral
(333 posts)I know you meant to be sarcastic. However, what you stated is the very reason why I think it does matter to him. Of course the cars will not make that much of a difference in his wealth, but I think he cares. I don't think Trump would have done that commercial if it didn't.
ProfessorGAC
(76,706 posts)This is obviously true, but well-run companies don't pursue new customer segments to replace the existing customer base that the brand alienated. They are looking to expand their share, not looking for a way to tread water.
The author implies this, but I thought it important to state it explicitly.Tesla is doing it wrong!
kimbutgar
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dem4decades
(14,060 posts)bluesbassman
(20,384 posts)The FauxKing and Eloon are pretty good at talking out of both sides of their mouths, the mouth breathing MAGAts, not so much.
Torchlight
(6,830 posts)Shares have plummeted over 40 percent since the beginning of the year, wiping out all gains Tesla had made since trump was reselected. Sales numbers have fallen off a cliff in key markets around the world. Tesla's performance is down in almost every single European market. (Fortune Magazine)
It's getting harder and harder to put lipstick on this e-pig, and more and more fun watching people trying to.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,869 posts)dalton99a
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LetMyPeopleVote
(179,869 posts)Best_man23
(5,268 posts)Nearly all the upper middle income MAGAts would not be caught dead in or driving any hybrid/electric car or truck. You know them, they're the ones with the $1400/month DirtyMax or SuperDoody with the 6 inch exhaust and DEF system deleted.
The upper income MAGAts might pony up for a Tesler, but there are not enough of them to counter the millions who previously purchased Teslers. Tesler sales in Germany are down over 90% and I anticipate other EU countries, the UK, and Canada will quickly follow suit (if they haven't already).
Tesler has to report quarterly earnings late next month. That investor's call might be an interesting listen.
Johonny
(26,179 posts)Are hitting the market and he is simply not going to compete against them. His share even in "Tesla" friendly markets is drying up. Now these markets are unfriendly to Tesla, the bottom could be the limit. Then there is the self licking ice cream cone that is SpaceX . . .
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,869 posts)Anyone not ditching their Tesla stock isn't paying attention to the signals that are now everywhere as to how this will end for Musknamely, very badly. Americans won't stand for a coup orchestrated by a fascist, sociopathic South African centibillionaire.
Gravity may be finally catching up to Elon Musk as Tesla stock tumbles
— Jerry Chamberlain (@jezparker.bsky.social) 2025-03-19T18:39:09.568Z
www.cnn.com/2025/03/19/b...
Link to tweet
https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/19/business/elon-musk-tesla-stock-nightcap/index.html
Tesla shares have fallen more than 40% since January erasing all of the Trump bump that briefly saw the stock gain more than 90% after Election Day. Musk, whose wealth is overwhelmingly linked to his Tesla holdings, has personally lost $121 billion from his net worth over the past three months.
So what happened? Why hasnt Musks rapid ascent into oligarch territory helped rescue his baby (as President Trump called Tesla during the pairs bizarre ad-like press conference last week on the South Lawn)?
There are two main reasons:
Tesla sales are cratering around the world, and
Its CEO isnt doing anything to stop it.
While Musk is holed up in the EEOB looking for ways to break the federal government, Teslas core business is in crisis......
A CNN poll last week found that 53% of Americans have a negative view of Musk, while roughly 60% say he has neither the right experience nor the right judgment to make the kinds of sweeping cuts his department is carrying out.....
Prices on pre-owned Teslas are falling at more than double the rate of the average car, according to research by CarGurus. Used cars overall have fallen 2.7% year over year, while used Teslas have declined 7.3%. A used Cybertruck, Teslas head-scratching experiment in car design that looks like it was based on a dare, is worth a whopping 58% less on the resale market......
Musk has made his name synonymous with Tesla a fact that served them both well when Tesla seemed unstoppable and Musk became the worlds richest person.
But Tesla no longer seems unstoppable, and Musk no longer seems stable. That could prove a toxic pairing.
tinrobot
(12,062 posts)Not necessarily a bad thing for the planet.
Plus, all those insipid anti-EV talking points go away.
sop
(18,626 posts)Teslas aren't very competetive EVs, there are many other better choices.


