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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHundreds of Thousands Will Die -- Atul Gawande in The New Yorker
https://www.newyorker.com/podcast/the-new-yorker-radio-hour/atul-gawande-on-elon-musks-surgery-with-a-chainsawThe writer, surgeon, and former U.S.A.I.D. senior official Atul Gawande on the Trump Administrations decimation of foreign aid and the consequences around the world.
t is hard to calculate all the good that Atul Gawande has done in the world. After training as a surgeon at Harvard, he taught medicine inside the hospital and in the classroom. A contributor to The New Yorker since 1998, he has published widely on issues of public health. His 2007 article in the magazine and the book that emerged from it, The Checklist Manifesto: How to Get Things Right, have been sources of clarity and truth in the debate over health-care costs. In 2014, he published Being Mortal: Medicine and What Matters in the End, a vivid, poetic, compassionate narrative that presents unforgettable descriptions of the ways the body ages and our end-of-life choices.
Gawandes work on public health was influential in the Clinton and Obama Administrations, and, starting in November, 2020, he served on President Joe Bidens COVID-19 Advisory Board. In July, 2021, Biden nominated him as the assistant administrator for the Bureau of Global Health at the U.S. Agency for International Development, where he worked to limit disease outbreaks overseas. Gawande, who is fifty-nine, resigned the position on the day of Donald Trumps return to the Presidency.
When we spoke recently for The New Yorker Radio Hour, Gawande, usually a wry, high-spirited presence, was in a grave mood. There were flashes of anger and despair in his voice. He was, after all, watching Trump and Elon Musk dismantle, gleefully, a global health agency that had only lately been for him a source of devotion and inspiration. As a surgeon, Gawande had long been in a position to save one life at a time. More recently, and all too briefly, he was part of a vast collective responsible for untold good around the world. And now, as he made plain, that collective has been deliberately cast into chaos, even ruins. The cost in human lives is sure to be immense. Our conversation has been edited for clarity and length.
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This damage has created effects that will be forever. Lets say they turned everything back on again, and said, Whoops, Im sorry. I had a discussion with a minister of health just today, and he said, Ive never been treated so much like a second-class human being. He was so grateful for what America did. And for decades, America was there. I never imagined America could be indifferent, could simply abandon people in the midst of treatments, in the midst of clinical trials, in the midst of partnershipand not even talk to me, not even have a discussion so that we could plan together: O.K., you are going to have big cuts to make. We will work together and figure out how to solve it.
Thats not what happened. He will never trust the U.S. again. We are entering a different state of relations. We are seeing lots of other countries stand up around the worldour friends, Canada, Mexico. But African countries, too, Europe. Everybodys taking on the lesson that America cannot be trusted. That has enormous costs.
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Gawandes work on public health was influential in the Clinton and Obama Administrations, and, starting in November, 2020, he served on President Joe Bidens COVID-19 Advisory Board. In July, 2021, Biden nominated him as the assistant administrator for the Bureau of Global Health at the U.S. Agency for International Development, where he worked to limit disease outbreaks overseas. Gawande, who is fifty-nine, resigned the position on the day of Donald Trumps return to the Presidency.
When we spoke recently for The New Yorker Radio Hour, Gawande, usually a wry, high-spirited presence, was in a grave mood. There were flashes of anger and despair in his voice. He was, after all, watching Trump and Elon Musk dismantle, gleefully, a global health agency that had only lately been for him a source of devotion and inspiration. As a surgeon, Gawande had long been in a position to save one life at a time. More recently, and all too briefly, he was part of a vast collective responsible for untold good around the world. And now, as he made plain, that collective has been deliberately cast into chaos, even ruins. The cost in human lives is sure to be immense. Our conversation has been edited for clarity and length.
. . .
This damage has created effects that will be forever. Lets say they turned everything back on again, and said, Whoops, Im sorry. I had a discussion with a minister of health just today, and he said, Ive never been treated so much like a second-class human being. He was so grateful for what America did. And for decades, America was there. I never imagined America could be indifferent, could simply abandon people in the midst of treatments, in the midst of clinical trials, in the midst of partnershipand not even talk to me, not even have a discussion so that we could plan together: O.K., you are going to have big cuts to make. We will work together and figure out how to solve it.
Thats not what happened. He will never trust the U.S. again. We are entering a different state of relations. We are seeing lots of other countries stand up around the worldour friends, Canada, Mexico. But African countries, too, Europe. Everybodys taking on the lesson that America cannot be trusted. That has enormous costs.
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Hundreds of Thousands Will Die -- Atul Gawande in The New Yorker (Original Post)
erronis
Mar 2025
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BoRaGard
(7,591 posts)1. k and r
Demovictory9
(37,113 posts)2. kick
mahina
(20,726 posts)3. Thanks, OP for this article. I had not seen this.
I appreciate his books and his work in the world so much. aloha.
erronis
(24,553 posts)4. Thank you, mahina. I also admire him and have read most of his books.
It's so easy for our posts to slide off the "here/now" timeline at DU.
I love your land and your people. They represent how societies should be when working together.
mahina
(20,726 posts)5. That's very kind of you to say. We are being divided against each other even here, very much so alas.
But we're working on that. Aloha.
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