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highplainsdem

(62,800 posts)
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 08:13 PM Mar 2025

We have a constitutional crisis. Trump just directed the AG to go after any lawyer or law firm opposing him.

Bluesky post from journalist Tim Weiner:

This is the constitutional crisis writ large. Trump seeks to disbar all who oppose him. This is Germany in 1936, people. www.whitehouse.gov/presidential...

Tim Weiner (@tim-weiner.bsky.social) 2025-03-22T23:38:09.664Z


This is the constitutional crisis writ large. Trump seeks to disbar all who oppose him. This is Germany in 1936, people.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/03/preventing-abuses-of-the-legal-system-and-the-federal-court/


The presidential memorandum names Marc Elias as an example of what Trump considers an unethical lawyer.

The memo in full:

Preventing Abuses of the Legal System and the Federal Court
Presidential Memoranda
March 22, 2025

MEMORANDUM FOR THE ATTORNEY GENERAL

THE SECRETARY OF HOMELAND SECURITY


SUBJECT: Preventing Abuses of the Legal System and the Federal Court


Lawyers and law firms that engage in actions that violate the laws of the United States or rules governing attorney conduct must be efficiently and effectively held accountable. Accountability is especially important when misconduct by lawyers and law firms threatens our national security, homeland security, public safety, or election integrity.

Recent examples of grossly unethical misconduct are far too common. For instance, in 2016, Marc Elias, founder and chair of Elias Law Group LLP, was deeply involved in the creation of a false “dossier” by a foreign national designed to provide a fraudulent basis for Federal law enforcement to investigate a Presidential candidate in order to alter the outcome of the Presidential election. Elias also intentionally sought to conceal the role of his client — failed Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton — in the dossier.

The immigration system — where rampant fraud and meritless claims have supplanted the constitutional and lawful bases upon which the President exercises core powers under Article II of the United States Constitution — is likewise replete with examples of unscrupulous behavior by attorneys and law firms. For instance, the immigration bar, and powerful Big Law pro bono practices, frequently coach clients to conceal their past or lie about their circumstances when asserting their asylum claims, all in an attempt to circumvent immigration policies enacted to protect our national security and deceive the immigration authorities and courts into granting them undeserved relief. Gathering the necessary information to refute these fraudulent claims imposes an enormous burden on the Federal Government. And this fraud in turn undermines the integrity of our immigration laws and the legal profession more broadly — to say nothing of the undeniable, tragic consequences of the resulting mass illegal immigration, whether in terms of heinous crimes against innocent victims like Laken Riley, Jocelyn Nungaray, or Rachel Morin, or the enormous drain on taxpayer resources intended for Americans.

Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 11 prohibits attorneys from engaging in certain unethical conduct in Federal courts. Attorneys must not present legal filings “for improper purpose[s],” including “to harass, cause unnecessary delay, or needlessly increase the cost of litigation.” FRCP 11(b)(1). Attorneys must ensure that legal arguments are “warranted by existing law or by a nonfrivolous argument for extending, modifying, or reversing existing law or for establishing new law.” FRCP 11(b)(2). And attorneys must ensure that their statements about facts are “reasonably based” on evidentiary support, or a belief that such evidence actually exists. FRCP 11(b)(3)-(b)(4). When these commands are violated, opposing parties are authorized to file a motion for sanctions. FRCP 11(c). The text of the rule specifically addresses and provides for sanctions for attorneys and their firms as well as for recalcitrant parties given the solemn obligation that attorneys have to respect the rule of law and uphold our Nation’s legal system with integrity. Furthermore, Rule 3.1 of the Model Rules of Professional Conduct provides that, “A lawyer shall not bring or defend a proceeding, or assert or controvert an issue therein, unless there is a basis in law and fact for doing so that is not frivolous, which includes a good faith argument for an extension, modification or reversal of existing law.”

Unfortunately, far too many attorneys and law firms have long ignored these requirements when litigating against the Federal Government or in pursuing baseless partisan attacks. To address these concerns, I hereby direct the Attorney General to seek sanctions against attorneys and law firms who engage in frivolous, unreasonable, and vexatious litigation against the United States or in matters before executive departments and agencies of the United States.

I further direct the Attorney General and the Secretary of Homeland Security to prioritize enforcement of their respective regulations governing attorney conduct and discipline. See, e.g., 8 C.F.R. 292.1 et seq.; 8 C.F.R. 1003.101 et seq.; 8 C.F.R. 1292.19.

I further direct the Attorney General to take all appropriate action to refer for disciplinary action any attorney whose conduct in Federal court or before any component of the Federal Government appears to violate professional conduct rules, including rules governing meritorious claims and contentions, and particularly in cases that implicate national security, homeland security, public safety, or election integrity. In complying with this directive, the Attorney General shall consider the ethical duties that law partners have when supervising junior attorneys, including imputing the ethical misconduct of junior attorneys to partners or the law firm when appropriate.

I further direct that, when the Attorney General determines that conduct by an attorney or law firm in litigation against the Federal Government warrants seeking sanctions or other disciplinary action, the Attorney General shall, in consultation with any relevant senior executive official, recommend to the President, through the Assistant to the President for Domestic Policy, additional steps that may be taken, including reassessment of security clearances held by the attorney or termination of any Federal contract for which the relevant attorney or law firm has been hired to perform services.

I further direct the Attorney General, in consultation with any relevant senior executive official, to review conduct by attorneys or their law firms in litigation against the Federal Government over the last 8 years. If the Attorney General identifies misconduct that may warrant additional action, such as filing frivolous litigation or engaging in fraudulent practices, the Attorney General is directed to recommend to the President, through the Assistant to the President for Domestic Policy, additional steps that may be taken, including reassessment of security clearances held by the attorney, termination of any contract for which the relevant attorney or law firm has been hired to perform services, or any other appropriate actions.

Law firms and individual attorneys have a great power, and obligation, to serve the rule of law, justice, and order. The Attorney General, alongside the Counsel to the President, shall report to the President periodically on improvements by firms to capture this hopeful vision.
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We have a constitutional crisis. Trump just directed the AG to go after any lawyer or law firm opposing him. (Original Post) highplainsdem Mar 2025 OP
We will see what kind of Patriot Pam Bondi is BOSSHOG Mar 2025 #1
She's a Trump loyalist, not a patriot in any way, shape or form. Zero ethics. highplainsdem Mar 2025 #3
I lean towards optimism BOSSHOG Mar 2025 #7
She has always backed Trump's lie that the 2020 election was stolen. highplainsdem Mar 2025 #8
I'm sure some actually are thinking this is wrong. The problem is they are too afraid to stand against Trump. HeartsCanHope Mar 2025 #18
The term is "cowards." dchill Mar 2025 #21
Hopefully she has had second thoughts markodochartaigh Mar 2025 #33
Ready bdamomma Mar 2025 #10
She is beholden to him. TheCowsCameHome Mar 2025 #4
And I'm sure he is more than happy to hold that over her head. ShazzieB Mar 2025 #35
It is now illegal to criticize Trump or to bring him to justice. Irish_Dem Mar 2025 #2
Wow Demovictory9 Mar 2025 #5
This is what happens, when you capitulate to a sociopath. yellow dahlia Mar 2025 #6
Who wrote this ? dweller Mar 2025 #9
Is bdamomma Mar 2025 #11
It can't be Krasnov dweller Mar 2025 #13
Well bdamomma Mar 2025 #16
The "I" is Trump, though he couldn't write this himself. The references to the President like this one highplainsdem Mar 2025 #12
It's a given it's not Pisswig dweller Mar 2025 #14
Trump gets the blame. highplainsdem Mar 2025 #15
Agreed. markodochartaigh Mar 2025 #34
I agree. ShazzieB Mar 2025 #37
Maybe Russell Vought Baron2024 Mar 2025 #20
Thats what I believe too dweller Mar 2025 #23
Chump refers to himself in the third person as a regular mechanism FakeNoose Mar 2025 #32
That's what happens when one caves...or should I say is bribed! PortTack Mar 2025 #17
Listen. The very moment tRump was declared winner of the so called 2024 election AKwannabe Mar 2025 #19
They are NOT going to stop johnnyfins Mar 2025 #22
The maladministration's play to stop legal challenges WestMichRad Mar 2025 #24
SO! Pammy B is tRumpy's PERSONAL LAWYER now? ProudMNDemocrat Mar 2025 #25
If law firms don't hang together against Trump C_U_L8R Mar 2025 #26
Impeach him, goddammit. Joinfortmill Mar 2025 #27
We expected this . Terrorize everyone and threaten lawyers if they file a complaint in court. Bread and Circuses Mar 2025 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author Joinfortmill Mar 2025 #29
I recall that this oppo research Mblaze Mar 2025 #30
The courts are not gonna just let fraudulent shit come into the courtroom and no evidence oldmanlynn Mar 2025 #31
I have an issue with the thread title jmowreader Mar 2025 #36
Well they should be quite familiar with FRCP. Damn near every judge in the country slapped them with these Cheezoholic Mar 2025 #38
This a bunch of legalese bs. All law firms must stand together as one and fight this or all of us are fuc... FloridaBlues Mar 2025 #39
TSF and his legal teams, of all people should have a very firm grasp of ... Trueblue Texan Mar 2025 #40
Chump really misses Roy Cohn BidenRocks Mar 2025 #41

BOSSHOG

(44,738 posts)
1. We will see what kind of Patriot Pam Bondi is
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 08:18 PM
Mar 2025

Considering orders from a convicted felon who is the leader of the party of responsibility.

BOSSHOG

(44,738 posts)
7. I lean towards optimism
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 08:29 PM
Mar 2025

Thinking in a private moment someone in the inner circle will look in the mirror and say this isn’t right. I’m old, trying to be optimistic but naive at the same time.

HeartsCanHope

(1,730 posts)
18. I'm sure some actually are thinking this is wrong. The problem is they are too afraid to stand against Trump.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 09:34 PM
Mar 2025

We have to find a way to give them courage to do what they know is right.

markodochartaigh

(5,545 posts)
33. Hopefully she has had second thoughts
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 10:42 PM
Mar 2025

after she was accused of dropping her investigation into Trump's "University" after he gave her a $25,000 campaign donation. This purely coincidental set of circumstances was taken the wrong way by people determined to see corruption in every friendly deal.


/s



https://www.cnn.com/2016/06/10/politics/pam-bondi-donald-trump-donation/index.html

bdamomma

(69,596 posts)
10. Ready
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 08:47 PM
Mar 2025

to do the illegal bidding of this filthy convicted sick felon. Bondi bonded to a convicted felon.

ShazzieB

(22,789 posts)
35. And I'm sure he is more than happy to hold that over her head.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 10:48 PM
Mar 2025

I prefer to be optimistic about things when I can be, but I'm pretty sure Bondi sold out completely a long time ago. She has made her choice to wallow in the slime with Trump, and there she will remain.

Irish_Dem

(82,013 posts)
2. It is now illegal to criticize Trump or to bring him to justice.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 08:18 PM
Mar 2025

Russia and China must be so proud of Trump.

yellow dahlia

(6,344 posts)
6. This is what happens, when you capitulate to a sociopath.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 08:28 PM
Mar 2025

I need to regain my composure, before I say more.

dweller

(28,594 posts)
9. Who wrote this ?
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 08:38 PM
Mar 2025

Who is the “ I “ directing the AG ?
The pResident is referred to in the document as someone else than the author who is directing the AG







✌🏻

dweller

(28,594 posts)
13. It can't be Krasnov
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 08:55 PM
Mar 2025

But someone should have to be identified so when it’s contested he will just say ‘I didn’t write this ‘ just like he’s saying he didn’t write the EO about Alien Enemies Act , and then who will take the heat ?


✌🏻

bdamomma

(69,596 posts)
16. Well
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 09:23 PM
Mar 2025

the felon always deflects and says he didn't know about it. He's lying of course. He knew about Project 2025. I just hate them all. I don't like innocent people being taken to prisons in El Salvador.


Just posting this horrific story:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14517733/Myrelis-Casique-Lopez-Tren-Aragua-Terrorism-Confinement-Center.html

highplainsdem

(62,800 posts)
12. The "I" is Trump, though he couldn't write this himself. The references to the President like this one
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 08:50 PM
Mar 2025
the Attorney General is directed to recommend to the President, through the Assistant to the President for Domestic Policy


are of course also to Trump. It's awkward but might be standard in these memos when referring to officials including the president, outside statements like "I direct." I'd have to check Biden's presidential memorandums to see.

markodochartaigh

(5,545 posts)
34. Agreed.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 10:47 PM
Mar 2025

It is similar to the royal "We". I'm sure that there is a grammatical term but neither me, myself, nor I have the energy to look it up now.

ShazzieB

(22,789 posts)
37. I agree.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 10:55 PM
Mar 2025

It's a "presidential" memo after all, laying out the president's orders.

Written by someone else? Sure. But the letter speaks with his voice.

 

Baron2024

(1,492 posts)
20. Maybe Russell Vought
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 10:00 PM
Mar 2025

Who is the brains behind Project 2025. Trump could not understand what was posted in the OP, much less write it. Trump is surrounded by dangerous fascists. Many of them are idiots, but some are smart yet evil, like Vought.

FakeNoose

(42,093 posts)
32. Chump refers to himself in the third person as a regular mechanism
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 10:39 PM
Mar 2025

I don't know if that's what's happening here, but he commonly does the third-person reference in Xweets and such.

Like others are posting he will deny that "he" wrote it later, if it all backfires. It's never HIS fault.

AKwannabe

(6,897 posts)
19. Listen. The very moment tRump was declared winner of the so called 2024 election
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 09:48 PM
Mar 2025

We had a constitutional crisis.
The very moment!
It’s all been a waiting game since that very moment.

We. Are. Fucked.

WestMichRad

(3,355 posts)
24. The maladministration's play to stop legal challenges
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 10:12 PM
Mar 2025

… by threatening the lawyers participating in those challenges. Pure retribution.

Parts of the memo read very much like projection, where it castigates lawyers for unethical conduct. Exactly what the Orange felon’s lawyers are doing.

F* him and the ass he rode in on. Seriously. F* him.

ProudMNDemocrat

(20,974 posts)
25. SO! Pammy B is tRumpy's PERSONAL LAWYER now?
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 10:16 PM
Mar 2025

He is telling her to go after Marc Elias? Because Marc Elias is EFFECTIVE in winning cases based on the facts and tRump HATES that!

Marc Elias is 1,000 times the Lawyer Pammy B will ever be.

Bread and Circuses

(2,121 posts)
28. We expected this . Terrorize everyone and threaten lawyers if they file a complaint in court.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 10:30 PM
Mar 2025

The constitution is being burned in open

Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Mblaze

(1,101 posts)
30. I recall that this oppo research
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 10:34 PM
Mar 2025

was originated by The Washington Free Beacon, a Conservative site backed by GOP billionaire Paul Singer. They hired Fusion GPS to dig up the easily discovered dirt. Hillary used their product.

oldmanlynn

(832 posts)
31. The courts are not gonna just let fraudulent shit come into the courtroom and no evidence
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 10:36 PM
Mar 2025

Now they may be able to make up evidence and try to you know plant some evidence, but the courts aren’t gonna allow them just to come in and say we don’t like Mark Elias put him in jail

jmowreader

(53,320 posts)
36. I have an issue with the thread title
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 10:48 PM
Mar 2025

Trump manufactures constitutional crises more easily than I manufacture newspapers. Half the shit he does qualifies as one and the other half would be one if he could figure out how to do it. I believe the true intent is to try to nullify the Constitution so he can do whatever the hell he wants.

Cheezoholic

(3,815 posts)
38. Well they should be quite familiar with FRCP. Damn near every judge in the country slapped them with these
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 11:03 PM
Mar 2025

during all of those frivolous stop the steal law suits after the the 2020 election lmao.

FloridaBlues

(4,681 posts)
39. This a bunch of legalese bs. All law firms must stand together as one and fight this or all of us are fuc...
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 11:04 PM
Mar 2025

No AG had this much control. We will see how the large firms respond to this garbage . Taken out of 2025 playbook..
If they don’t soon like be Monday answer we are screwed.
We have never seen such power grab and it can not. Stand.

Trueblue Texan

(4,559 posts)
40. TSF and his legal teams, of all people should have a very firm grasp of ...
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 11:12 PM
Mar 2025

...unethical practices by attorneys. For one who so thoroughly undermines the rule of law through his abuse of the justice system, he really needs to clean his own house. It is rich that he accuses Marc Elias or any other lawyer not working for him of unethical practice.

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