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Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer predicted Americans will rise up if President Donald Trump defies courts that challenge his policies, saying he doesnt trust Trumps pledges to abide by judicial rulings.
Schumer was responding to a question on NBCs Meet the Press about a previous comment that any such effort by Trump would require extraordinary action by Democrats.
If the public is so, so angry and takes action and certainly we Democrats will it will trigger a mass movement from one end of the country to the other, something that we havent seen in a very long time, Schumer said.
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Our goal, our plan, which were united on, is to make Donald Trump the quickest lame duck in modern history by showing how bad his policies are, Schumer said.
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edhopper
(37,007 posts)When they were turning over power to Trump.
Hope22
(4,417 posts)American people will rise up when Congress rises up! There, we fixed it for him!
InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,496 posts)aeromanKC
(3,798 posts)Trump would have called for Martial Law or similar if govt shutdown. Schumer bought us/the country some time.
Hanzzy72
(62 posts)I came around after he explained his reasoning. I'm still bitter about it, but I understand his rationale. I think we're heading toward martial law regardless. I just hope the people are ready for it and don't let him roll over us.
Demsrule86
(71,465 posts)poor people and vets. There were substantial cuts in this bill and we got nothing...it also help Musk.
Cirsium
(3,298 posts)Appeasing a bully never works.
Trump could call for Martial Law now.
awesomerwb1
(4,960 posts)LAken Riley, then the CR. And in 6 months the reps will do the exact same thing but worse because they know can steamroll Schumer again.
Schumer is the worst "leader" the Dems could have at this moment in time. It's puzzling how many people believe the opposite. Mind blowing really.
Ars Longa
(404 posts)before he comments on anything. That should be the standard for
all House & Senate members , (including Fetterman)..
sop
(17,274 posts)Man the barricades, Chuck!
HereForTheParty
(915 posts)Wouldn't want to be doing anything risky, you know.
vanessa_ca
(611 posts)"Forward!" he cried from the rear. And the front rank died. - P. Floyd
PJMcK
(24,624 posts)Schumer is one of my senators and I've voted for him repeatedly. But, boy, is he not the person we need at this dangerous time. His capitulation on the budget demonstrated profound weakness.
If the country didn't rise up to defeat Trump last November, where does Schumer see "a mass movement?"
lapucelle
(20,931 posts)It is a dangerous time. That's why we need leaders with cool heads who think things through. If the government had shut down, it would not have reopened until Trump wanted it open.
Federal courts would only be hearing mission critical criminal cases, rather than all the civil cases. Any case that the Trump Administration and/or Doge is party to would have been postponed.
The Social Security Administration may have continued to cut checks, but they would no longer be processing applications.
The vast majority of federal workers would have been furloughed with no guarantee of ever being called back.
Those federal workers who remained would each be doing the work of five people, without being paid.
So no, Chuck Schumer did not capitulate, and no Chuck Schumer did not demonstrate weakness, profound or otherwise.
Chuck Schumer saved us from all the folks who were hollering "Resist!" without ever giving a thought to what would actually happen, who would be harmed and who would be freer to loot our system and manipulate the law, who would be the winners and who would be the losers.
And now Chuck Schumer is taking the heat and being vilified for his decision to keep the government open, when, in fact, we are very lucky that he did.
Here's a tip for everyone. Tell the folks attacking Democrats to do their homework. Tell them to find out exactly what happens during a government shutdown and who gets to decide if and when the government reopens.
And tell them to stop getting talking points from political influencers on tiktok and twitter and from asshats like Jon Stewart. Democrats are already busy trying to clean up their mess from November. We don't need any new ones.
Demsrule86
(71,465 posts)the phone but demand people to prove who they are. Many folks won't get their money next month...he did nothing good for us.
lapucelle
(20,931 posts)The waters are not muddied. We all know exactly who is closing offices: Trump. I guess you missed that part.
Good thing that those of us who are already working to put a Democrat in NY-17 did not miss that part. There's no way Lawler can blame a government shutdown for this.

Demsrule86
(71,465 posts)bullshit ID's which will hurt many people.
lapucelle
(20,931 posts)Every Senate Democrat (with the exception of Senator Jeanne Shaheen of NH) and every member of the House Democratic Caucus (with the exception of Thomas Massie of KY) voted AGAINST the continuing resolution.
https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1191/vote_119_1_00133.htm#position
The government remains open, and the House and Senate Republicans entirely own the bill and everything that appertains.
All those folks who wanted to holler "Resist!" last week would be bellowing "Do Something!" this week if they had gotten their way.
It's time to listen to the people who understand the process, understand the message, and understand the assignment.
kelly1mm
(5,756 posts)lapucelle
(20,931 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,496 posts)bucolic_frolic
(53,773 posts)Nanjeanne
(6,492 posts)Schumer will get his pom poms out and cheer them on. Makes sense. Seniors will be living in the streets anyway when they have no money coming in, and are kicked out of closing nursing homes.
Itchinjim
(3,177 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,496 posts)When the issue comes up again at the end of the current CR bill -- in September?? -- enter Sandman & AOC... no doubt they will be with the warriors on the front line leading the charge!!
Emile
(40,277 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,496 posts)lark
(25,848 posts)SMH
EarthFirst
(3,924 posts)newdeal2
(4,687 posts)leftstreet
(38,732 posts)yep
Mysterian
(6,141 posts)before he gets too involved.
JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)bear part of the responsibility because enough of them decided either not to bother to vote or vote third party, and gave the majority of both houses and the WH to where we are today.
Populists promise the world, seldom deliver, but they sure fool a lot of people along the way.
A lot of us live in our own bubble, and don't even consider that just possibly there might be a significant number of people who don't share our ideas.
The greens, those on the left, etc. have been the best unwitting allies of giving us trump and the supreme court we have today.
Just look at 2000, 2016, and 2024.
The fact that some go out of their way to not even be identified as Democrats speaks volumes.
They may have their big rallies and loyal followers, but we will continue to lose elections, because enough of them will either refuse to vote for the Democratic nominee by either not voting or voting third party.
The strategy of "do everything I want or I will take my marbles and go home", is a sure way to continue to lose.
Mysterian
(6,141 posts)Good strategy. Blame it on the public. Bravo! Rather than fix the problems in our party and our leadership, let's blame it on the public!
BRILLIANT!
JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)If this was a one time thing perhaps it could be written off, but it isn't an aberration. 2000, 2016, and 2024 gave us exactly where we are today.
Right, the public is blameless, it is always someone else.
It doesn't matter whether it is schumer or someone else, we would always find a scapegoat.
This did not happen because of someone voted for cloture, this happened because too many decided either not to vote or vote third party.
2000, 2016, and 2024 are prime examples of that.
The excuse that I am tired of voting for the lesser of "two evils, and I am not going to do it anymore", doesn't cut it.
That is how we have Citizens Untied, and an extremist Supreme Court that will be with us for decades.
If trump and the rethugs continue in the direction they are going they should be demolished in 2026, but based on what happened in 2024, that is far from certain.
Everyone jumped on the bandwagon that the Democrats should not support McCarthy and let the republicans kick him out. While short term that may have felt good, but ron johnson turns out to be far worse. I can image the rage that Jefferies would have received here if he got enough Democrats to retaining mccarthy over and unknown republican. I think it would have been just as angry and frustrated posters against jefferies as there are against schumer now.
In two years the voters have a chance to change this, will they?
and if they don't, who are we going to blame?
Autumn
(48,717 posts)the House or the Senate? I think if any politician doesn't win their election that's on them. Not the voter. They ran their campaign. If they win they ran a campign that appealed to the voter, if they lost they didn't appleal to the voter. Maybe they need to look at themselves.
JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)very clear. There was no ambiguity.
With that logic I guess we can blame Harris loss because she wasn't a man, a racist, sexist, bigot who tried to overturn an election.
The voters are truly blameless.
The voters are going to get exactly what they deserve. Unfortunately, those of us who realized there was a difference between the rethugs and the Democrats are going to pay for the consequences of that also.
We lost a million people the because the sociopath mishandled a pandemic.
The one thing trump deserves credit for is he told everyone exactly what he was going to do, and they still voted for him. but it isn't the voters fault?
kelly1mm
(5,756 posts)who was already in office 4 years so has a track record, had a part in Jan 6th, denied the 2020 election, got indited multiple times and s a 34 count convicted felon? As you said, the difference between the Democrats and Republicans were very clear. The voters still voted against Democrats.
Instead of looking at what was unappealing to voters from our message/was appealing from the opposition message, we just throw up our hands and say 'we don't need to change anything, the voters are just too stupid ......'
mcar
(45,596 posts)Remember, the day before the election the conventional wisdom was that Harris had run a flawless campaign. The day after, the mostly white, male pundits were screaming about how much she sucked.
The media's continuous harping on the economy being bad (it wasn't) didn't help either.
Also, you cannot discount the electorate's ignorance. On Election Day, the most Googled question was "Is Joe Biden running?" In the days after, the most Googled question was "Can I change my vote?"
Mysterian
(6,141 posts)That should really turn things around!
JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)It wasnt the voters fault because they didnt want a black woman, and instead voted for trump.
senseandsensibility
(24,204 posts)It won't do anything. What we need to do is attract all the voters who did vote for Harris (and it was a lot), plus nonvoters, and more swing voters. That's what we should be concentrating on. The average Dem voter (you, me and everyone on DU) has no power to construct and enact such a message on our own. The Dem leadership does. Sorry, but it's on them. That's why they're called leaders.
JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)senseandsensibility
(24,204 posts)Whether we like it or not, (and I don't) many voters are extremely ignorant of the issues. That's sometime their own fault, or they could be a victim of purposeful misinformation. Some people are better than others at critical thinking and interpreting information. The Dem leadership needs to find a way to reach these voters with simple, blunt language.
Cirsium
(3,298 posts)Go argue with these people who refused to vote for VP Harris, the ffs and leave us alone. Tell them how stupid they are. Let us know how that goes.
Mysterian
(6,141 posts)That's the target audience.
Response to JohnSJ (Reply #16)
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Cirsium
(3,298 posts)If you ran a business, would you blame the consumers if no one bought your products?
Autumn
(48,717 posts)JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)It wasn't that long ago everyone was fawning over fetterman over conner lamb.
The excuse then was that fetterman fooled a lot of people. Not really. Anyone who took the effort and time to look at his past would have know he doesn't follow a particular mold.
Conner Lamb was a known, and his voting record was liberal to moderate. That worked out real well.
Thank goodness Jeffries voted to let the republicans cast mccarthy aside as their house leader, and gave us ron johnson who is far worse than mccarthy.
I can just imagine the outrage against jeffries if he voted to retain mccarthy because he thought the risk of an unknown republican could make things even worse.
There are unintended consequences, and we have been paying for a lot of them.
Autumn
(48,717 posts)running for office owes it to the voter to get their votes. No politician is owed any vote.
JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)Workers rights, women's rights, etc.
The issues were very clear in 2000, 2016, and 2024, and too many people didn't vote or voted third party, and we are all going to pay a price for their foolishness, because the issues were never more clear than 2024.
and if they have a problem voting for someone because that person is a woman or not the right color, that is on the voters.
Celerity
(53,525 posts)breadth and depth of the ever increasing rapid destruction of the American system of governance and it terrifies me.
Plenty of blame to go around and even if large swathes of the myriad groups that we blame come around, I truly fear that the darkness, the centrifugal forces of entropy now unleashed may well tear on unstopped, unchecked.
JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)Scrivener7
(58,104 posts)JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)abuses it will be quite difficult, and by all appearances, unlike the Gore V bush decision which was resolved quickly, this court goes out of their way to delay decisions, even to the effect of "running out the clock".
We have prestigious law firms capitulating under trump's executive orders, MSM outlets capitulating before this administration, that this SC has even opened the door to hear birthright citizenship at the request of trump trying to nullify something that has been in place for over 100 years in spite of 3 separate courts ruling against its nullification does not portend well, especially in the context that they had no problem with getting rid of Roe, whittling down the Civil Rights Act, etc. Stare decisis is no longer adhered to with this SC, Corporations are now viewed as people, Citizens United, which effectively opens the door to corporations trying to "buy" elections, because they ruled it "represents free speech". We will see how they view "free speech" when it comes to barring AP from the WH press Corp because it wouldn't refer to the "Gulf of Mexico" as "The Gulf of America".
The stakes were very clear on November 5, and too many people ignored it, or worse, actually agreed with it, even though trump made very clear what he was going to do.
Scrivener7
(58,104 posts)slide into fascism.
Are you willing to squander that as a "told you so" to the people who didn't vote the way we did? I know you aren't.
But right now, all bets are off for Mump, so all bets need to be off for us too.
We need to get ugly now. It's our last chance. "Wait and see" became absurd a really long time ago.
JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)Florida's 1st Congressional District on April 1, 2025
Florida's 6th Congressional District on April 1, 2025
Arizona's 7th Congressional District on September 23, 2025
Scrivener7
(58,104 posts)change our Senate Minority Leader to one better suited to this circumstance.
And we need to use EVERY tool we have.
Between now and the midterms I think you should stand out on a busy street corner and shout all of these grievances you have at random passers by. That would be less destructive than what you are doing here.
JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)hurl some blame at me for expressing some god forbid thoughts that might disagree with yours.
I have a suggestion if my comments irritate you so much then block me, then you wont see them.
That reminds me of a story Lincoln told about the man who was run out on town on a rail, tarred and feathered. When asked how he liked it, he replied "if it weren't for the honor of the thing, I would just as soon have walked." Lincoln was answering a question about how he liked being president.
JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)You give me much to much credit for something that isnt there.
Have a pleasant evening.
So you aren't objecting to people expressing thoughts that disagree with yours?
JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)MAGAs, or advocates violence.
No one here fits in that category.
I agree.
JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)Civil Rights, workers rights, the environment, etc. and want the end of the most corrupt, incompetent, authoritarian administration in most of our experience.
We are in agreement there.
mcar
(45,596 posts)but not to point out the reality of the 2024 election? Cool.
Who said "it's OK for DUers to bash elected Democrats?"
I am saying that this is not really about "bashing Democrats" at all, or even criticizing Democrats. It is abouit which Democrats should be criticized and which should not.
What is the "reality of the 2024 election?"
lapucelle
(20,931 posts)Of course all the folks bellowing "Resist!" and "Do Something!" on social media already know this and are already working to get Democrats elected in those races.
And, of course they're all shutting down the "Democrats suck too" narratives because we all have chance to do something concrete NOW to put the House in Democratic hands.
Right?
JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)Autumn
(48,717 posts)As for the rest Not everyone has liked Fetterman, I never have. I didn't trust him when he pulled the trump thing and ran as a progressive'. Luckily I never have to make a choice to vote for him. So that takes care of your Fetterman "point" which AFAIC is irelevent.
republianmushroom
(22,122 posts)Maybe in a year or two, now nothing. IMO
Scrivener7
(58,104 posts)like it would be like storming the Capitol.
displacedvermoter
(4,080 posts)That was no Green or Leftist that said that before letting Bush and Cheney and the crooked bankers all off the hook, including any number of Chuck Schumer's Wall Street constituents, it was our new Democrat mainstream president.
Just saying, again....
UpInArms
(53,938 posts)Nancy
displacedvermoter
(4,080 posts)instincts since LBJ. I guess maybe not always.
Bluestocking
(466 posts)What part of Russia do you live in. This is Democratic Underground not X.
displacedvermoter
(4,080 posts)No one here is saying "it is all Schumer's fault."
No one is giving the Trump voters a pass.
No one here is defending third party voters nor stay-at-homes.
No one here is saying "do everything I want or I will take my marbles and go home."
This statement reveals what you are really up to:
"Populists promise the world, seldom deliver, but they sure fool a lot of people along the way."
You disagree with a significant segment of the Democratic party coalition, so much so that you are willing to trash out that coalition in the hope of taking down people who don't agree with you.
The fact that you need to resort to falsehoods and smears suggests that you don't have a very strong argument to support your anti-progressive position.
Prairie Gates
(7,128 posts)VanceFan
(113 posts)We need a new leader Chuck, you failed.
Oopsie Daisy
(6,670 posts)William769
(59,147 posts)We've seen your actions Senator Schumer.
peggysue2
(12,369 posts)Ultimately, it will take public resistance to belie the nonsense that Agent Orange has a mandate or that 'this is what the American people want, this is what they voted for'.
There are pockets of resistance all over the country. We've seen the huge crowds coming out for Senator Sanders and AOC. The push back is starting even in Republican districts where Reps are afraid to hold town halls, and those who do are being blasted to Kingdom Come.
That sort of push back reverberates even in the sound-proof halls of Congress.
Today I read a subhead about a rally in Michigan. The chant? Get Your Hands Off Our Social Security. That demand has heft and reminds me of the Tea Party marches. This time it's actually true.
There's a reason SS, Medicare and Medicaid are regarded as the third rail in American politics.
Touch it and you'll burn in political Hell because Americans depend on those services to survive. We've worked for them, paid for them and the majority of recipients and their families will blow a gasket over them.
Will there be violence? Quite possibly. We've all been schooled on the line: Freedom has never been free.
We're beginning to learn that in real time.
Americans are waking up and they're angry as hornets. If that's what it takes to rouse the rest of our representatives? So be it.
JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)to what happened when the republicans wanted to oust mccarthy as speaker in the house.
In order for mccarthy to retain his speakership he would have needed to get a few Democrats in the House to support mccarthy.
Can you imagine the outrage here if he did that? I suspect it would have been just as bad as what is being expressed toward Schumer
The fact is that if jeffries actually did that he would have prevented ron johnson from becoming speaker, who is far worse than mccarthy was. In other words mccarthy was a known, who the republicans would have chosen was a wild card, and in this case it turned out to be a much worse alternative.
peggysue2
(12,369 posts)The moment we lost our best chance to stop the runaway train. Honestly, I'm not sure the results were legitimate but that's irrelevant at this point; we are where we are.
The one thing I would defend in Schumer's decision is the courts being able to proceed with all these cases against the regime. My understanding is that the legal fight would have ground to a halt if the Government had closed. What's going on in the courts is slowing the process, throwing sand in the gears much to Agent Orange's angst. And then there's Musk who is evolving into The Worst Person in the World, second only to Trump, of course. All of that is to the good and growing. Destructive speed is one of the main weapons Project 2025 was counting on--obliterate everything in 100 days before citizens woke up to their new reality.
The wreckage is real but the traitors have not succeeded in leveling everything, not yet at least. And people are screaming bloody hell.
Unfortunately, we all have much better vision in hindsight rather than in the moment.
I think you're right about McCarthy. He was bad but not entirely crazed. Johnson on the other hand is a Trump/Project 2025/Christian Nationalist rubber-stamp. Jeffries and House Dems made what they thought was a good decision. But they, too, did not have a crystal ball.
I think Schumer will survive the political headwinds. But that's a rough guess at best. We all need to be nimble in this landscape because things can change on a dime.
I'll tell you one thing for sure, I really miss Joe Biden!
JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)even wrote an OP expressing that.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220142034
In two years they will have an opportunity to change the leadership, this usual circular firing squad so publicly only helps our adversaries l.
Look what happened with the Biden needs to drop out movement a few months before the general election. If they were going to do something like that it should have been before he ran for a second term. Giving VP Harris only two months to campaign was a huge feat, and her campaign did a remarkable job under the circumstances, but it was an uphill battle with the media holding her to an impossible standard, and trump to no standard. Same thing happened to Hillary.
It only fits the right wing narrative that Democrats are in disarray, and that will not help us in the midterms.
Emile
(40,277 posts)and AOC this week.
pinkstarburst
(1,870 posts)Oopsie Daisy
(6,670 posts)My definition of a leader is someone who stays in Washington and makes tough decisions and is willing to "take the heat" from impatient folks who do not live in the real world and who expect everything instantly and who aren't willing to put in the hard work. I'm not completely certain that speaking to friendly crowds counts as being a real-leader when it has no effect on changing what's going on inside the Beltway. Anyone can recite a laundry-list of grievances. But it takes an entirely different skillset to get in there an DO something about it and make tough decisions in a damned-if-you-do and damned-if-you-don't world. So, clearly we have completely different ideas of what "leadership" means.
pinkstarburst
(1,870 posts)You mean like wearing pink and holding up paddles?
I'm pretty much done with those types of "leaders."
Oopsie Daisy
(6,670 posts)SamKnause
(14,656 posts)You don't have our backs.
pinkstarburst
(1,870 posts)when you had the power to do so. And now vulnerable Americans are being hurt...
Sky Jewels
(9,148 posts)"Hey, did you guys hear that I wrote a book?!"
H2O Man
(78,499 posts)Irish_Dem
(79,314 posts)mike_c
(36,888 posts)I'd rather hear Schumer say how Congress will lead Americans to "rise up."
republianmushroom
(22,122 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,496 posts)MorbidButterflyTat
(4,090 posts)With so much social security anxiety, I have to wonder why so many on this site wanted the government shut down. Maybe some can live without?
Federal employees unpaid and lining up for World Central Kitchen when tubby shut down the government because he wanted to grift federal funds for his stupid idiotic imaginary border wall.
Are those and other disgusting conditions really what people want? No consideration for what that filth would do?
Or is constant disrespect and hate for Schumer too overwhelming to recognize the GD truth.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)Is he making tough sounding noises while saying we must wait until after all trump's cases are passed by the supreme court before we start fighting against fascism?
Scrivener7
(58,104 posts)Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)Yes, way worse.
Sorry schumer, I'll be taking to the streets on April 5th, I hope everyone (who is Pro-Democracy and anti-fascist) will join me.
https://www.mobilize.us/handsoff/map/?date=2025-04-05T04%3A00%3A00.000Z&lat=47.177485255191115&lon=-74.6999577447121&zoom=1.0335942377157978
DFW
(59,678 posts)A retired German journalist spent the weekend with us, and he see the USA sliding into a "creeping dictatorship" which keeps biting one piece of the pie off at a time until we realize there is none left. That last real rising up I remember was the half million people at the Pentagon in 1967, and even that did no good.
If the administration ignoring court orders won't make the Senate and the House cry out in one voice for removal, then there will be no rising up, either. Maybe a Bernie Sanders rally for 16500 people in Sioux City, Iowa, for all the good that'll do. Every adminsitration has respected court orders they didn't like, especially from the Supreme Court. That's why we had the Iraq invasion of 2003 and Citizens United, courtesy of Roberts and Alito. When an administration scoffs at a court ruling, and says, "so sue me," meaning they don't intend to pay any attention to it, there is no more rule of law, just autocratic rule and mob rule, neither of which end well.
Chuckles doesn't trust Trump's pledges to abide by juidical rulings? Wow, what a concidence. Neither do I. I trust Bondi to tell him he doesn't have to, and I trust Trump to believe her. Schumer doesn't need to show anyone how bad Trump's policies are. Everyone who cares to see has already seen, and those who think that if Trump calls the sidewalk water, tnat he then walks on water, will see them as wonderful.
Incredulous as it seems, our supposedly educated nation has elected alomst 50 Senatore and 200 House Representatives who believe that removing food, educastion and health care from their constituents helps the budget and is a good idea. Even more difficult to believe, the people who elected them and will lose out think it's a good idea, too. Only when starvation or deportation comes knocking at their doors will they think to say, "wait, I didn't vote for this,," and then not believe it even after being shown that they did.
Tribetime
(7,029 posts)regnaD kciN
(27,426 posts)...because you can bet Chuckles the Clown won't.
Galraedia
(5,324 posts)It's seriously pathetic. Good luck motivating people to vote democratic to try to make this pathetic excuse of a human being majority leader in the senate.
Demsrule86
(71,465 posts)all...oh wait it didn't. About the only thing 'rising up' ever did was for civil rights which Schumer's GOP buddies are busy dismantling. We are in trouble Senator...Stop with the institutionalist behavior and pretending it is 1990's. It is not.
HereForTheParty
(915 posts)Thought we were just waiting for Trump to make himself unpopular.
Attilatheblond
(8,123 posts)Not a chess player, more of a slot machine handle puller lately.
LuvLoogie
(8,467 posts)so he can compromise their position
Bettie
(19,219 posts)when he gave Trump everything he wanted for the CR to pass....extra power and Muskrat gets to dig farther into the government to make his nasty little nest.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,496 posts)Blasphemer
(3,566 posts)Emile
(40,277 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,496 posts)Hard to believe we find ourselves in this mess created by the Fascist-in-Chief... just sad.
GreenWave
(12,211 posts)That guy should not get one more second chance ever. He has exhausted those chances enormously.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,496 posts)Ursus Rex
(472 posts)Because while youre waiting, the other side is grooming new blood, speaking the language of their base, and acting toward accomplishing their goal. We, on the other hand, are gonna have a metric shit-ton of dry powder.
doc03
(38,784 posts)krawhitham
(5,052 posts)No going to happen