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UpInArms

(53,938 posts)
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 08:43 AM Mar 2025

Schumer Sees Americans Rising Up If Trump Defies Court Orders

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer predicted Americans will “rise up” if President Donald Trump defies courts that challenge his policies, saying he doesn’t trust Trump’s pledges to abide by judicial rulings.

Schumer was responding to a question on NBC’s Meet the Press about a previous comment that any such effort by Trump would require “extraordinary action” by Democrats.

If “the public is so, so angry and takes action — and certainly we Democrats will — it will trigger a mass movement from one end of the country to the other, something that we haven’t seen in a very long time,” Schumer said.

… snip …

“Our goal, our plan, which we’re united on, is to make Donald Trump the quickest lame duck in modern history by showing how bad his policies are,” Schumer said.

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Schumer Sees Americans Rising Up If Trump Defies Court Orders (Original Post) UpInArms Mar 2025 OP
You couldn't even rise up in the Senate edhopper Mar 2025 #1
Exactly! Chuck... Hope22 Mar 2025 #26
1,000%!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2025 #104
Schumer did the opposite aeromanKC Mar 2025 #37
I wasn't happy with his vote initially. Hanzzy72 Mar 2025 #50
I didn't think his reasoning helped his case...he helped pass a bill that hurt Demsrule86 Mar 2025 #77
That doesn't work Cirsium Mar 2025 #58
Nah awesomerwb1 Mar 2025 #69
He needs to have a Town Hall with his constituents Ars Longa Mar 2025 #46
No doubt Schumer will jump to the front of the mob when it rises up. sop Mar 2025 #2
My guess is he'd "lead" from the rear HereForTheParty Mar 2025 #87
"Forward!" he cried from the rear vanessa_ca Mar 2025 #100
Sure, Chuck PJMcK Mar 2025 #3
Senator Schumer kept the federal courts and the Social Security Administration open. lapucelle Mar 2025 #61
Right, I guess you missed the part where they have cut multiple SS and Med offices and folks to man Demsrule86 Mar 2025 #79
What are you talking about? Trump did that. It was not the result of a shutdown. lapucelle Mar 2025 #82
The bill that was signed helped Musk to gain the power to do this to social security...the Demsrule86 Mar 2025 #93
Schumer voted AGAINST the bill. lapucelle Mar 2025 #96
'Thank you sir! May I have another?' SMACK 'Thank you sir! May I have another?' nt kelly1mm Mar 2025 #81
TMI. N/T lapucelle Mar 2025 #83
Regrettably I have to agree with you... but enter Sandman & AOC, leaders who are not afraid to lead!! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2025 #105
Suits with pitchforks. bucolic_frolic Mar 2025 #4
So when the people get the courage to face possibly military violence, arrest and deportation then Nanjeanne Mar 2025 #5
Do your GD job and we won't have to, Chuckles. Itchinjim Mar 2025 #6
Now there's an idea!! Chuck has to know he made a HUGE mistake... InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2025 #106
Says the guy who voted with the Republican majority. . . Emile Mar 2025 #7
Hard to believe, isn't it?! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2025 #107
Says the guy who totally capitulated when it was all on the line. lark Mar 2025 #8
Must be Sunday.... nt EarthFirst Mar 2025 #9
Gotta have new content for the talk shows nt newdeal2 Mar 2025 #17
LOL leftstreet Mar 2025 #23
Oh, so he's waiting for us to rise up Mysterian Mar 2025 #10
Reading the posts here is so predictable. Yeah it is all "Schumer's fault", ignoring the fact that the voting public JohnSJ Mar 2025 #11
Right...it's the public's fault. Mysterian Mar 2025 #13
It isn't a strategy, it is a fact. Who do you think voted for these representatives, senators, and president? JohnSJ Mar 2025 #16
When did it become the voters fault when politicians fail to get enough votes to win Autumn Mar 2025 #21
Of course it is the voters fault. The differences between republican candidates and the Democratic candidates were JohnSJ Mar 2025 #25
Doesn't that beg the question though how bad does a party/candidate have to be to lose to someone kelly1mm Mar 2025 #84
Not bad, just a woman of color mcar Mar 2025 #120
Keep on blaming the voters Mysterian Mar 2025 #30
Yeah right, it wasn't the voters fault to vote for a racist, sexist, and bigot, JohnSJ Mar 2025 #32
Blame the trump voters til the cows come home senseandsensibility Mar 2025 #40
Anyone who refused to vote for VP Harris by either not voting or voting third party was voting for trump. JohnSJ Mar 2025 #41
I'm afraid that that's not realistic senseandsensibility Mar 2025 #42
Go argue with them, then Cirsium Mar 2025 #64
90 million eligible voters did not vote Mysterian Mar 2025 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author Scrivener7 Mar 2025 #52
If you ran a business Cirsium Mar 2025 #63
Yeah we know. It everbody's fault but leadeship. Autumn Mar 2025 #19
In two years the voters will have a chance to change this. If they don't, who are you going to blame then? JohnSJ Mar 2025 #20
I vote for the Democrat every election and I'm not a Democrat. Any politician who is Autumn Mar 2025 #24
I have NEVER questioned, and never would question that you would always vote for a candidate who supports Civil Rights, JohnSJ Mar 2025 #27
19 and a half months until the 2026 midterms. I am extraordinarily worried they might not happen. I look at the sheer Celerity Mar 2025 #29
I think you have every reason to be concerned, so am I. JohnSJ Mar 2025 #66
So we agree that in two years we very well might not have the opportunity to change. Scrivener7 Mar 2025 #103
I think the odds are that that opportunity vanished on November 5. Unless the judicial branch is able to stem the JohnSJ Mar 2025 #113
And yet, we have about two years to fight tooth and nail to hold some kind of line against this breakneck Scrivener7 Mar 2025 #115
Three special elections will happen in 2025. Two in April and one in September. JohnSJ Mar 2025 #118
That's great. But another tool at our disposal, a totally legitimate one, is to Scrivener7 Mar 2025 #119
My advice Cirsium Mar 2025 #65
"Less destructive than what I am doing here? " How Democratic of you to JohnSJ Mar 2025 #67
ha ha ha Cirsium Mar 2025 #68
Sorry Cirsium, but I think you are the one projecting not me JohnSJ Mar 2025 #70
No? Cirsium Mar 2025 #71
I don't object to people I disagree with, unless they are racist, sexist, JohnSJ Mar 2025 #73
Good Cirsium Mar 2025 #74
Then we are on the same page, and I have no doubt we will agree on actual issues, JohnSJ Mar 2025 #78
Yes Cirsium Mar 2025 #85
So it's OK for DUers to bash elected Democrats mcar Mar 2025 #121
No Cirsium Mar 2025 #124
Actually, we can change it this year. There are three congressional special elections coming up. lapucelle Mar 2025 #80
Excellent point lapucelle. Thanks for the heads up. JohnSJ Mar 2025 #97
Another thing Republicans can do but Dems can't is to replace bad ledership? Autumn Mar 2025 #114
Leadership, what, where, don't see any right now not in the senate. republianmushroom Mar 2025 #48
And replacing a minority leader is a perfectly legitimate party function. I don't know why we're acting Scrivener7 Mar 2025 #116
Look at 2009, look forward and not backwards. displacedvermoter Mar 2025 #55
It was also UpInArms Mar 2025 #56
Agreed, and we keep getting told that she has the best political displacedvermoter Mar 2025 #60
Democrat? Bluestocking Mar 2025 #89
What? displacedvermoter Mar 2025 #91
False Cirsium Mar 2025 #62
The rules here prevent me from giving my actual response to Schumer's ideas and actions Prairie Gates Mar 2025 #12
Time to resign VanceFan Mar 2025 #14
Why? What would you have him do differently? And how would that be better? Oopsie Daisy Mar 2025 #88
Action speaks louder than words. William769 Mar 2025 #15
Despite Schumer's Senate vote, I think he's right on this one peggysue2 Mar 2025 #18
The damage was done as the result of the November 5 election. Either choice would have been bad. This is comparable JohnSJ Mar 2025 #22
I'm not defending Schumer's vote, John, and yes, the choices were either/or bad. November 5th was a debacle . . . peggysue2 Mar 2025 #31
Believe it or not I wanted Schumer to vote against cloture and JohnSJ Mar 2025 #33
86 THOUSAND PEOPLE STOOD UP TO SEE BERNIE Emile Mar 2025 #28
That's because THEY are real leaders pinkstarburst Mar 2025 #36
It's very easy to "preach to the choir" ... these are not typical voters. Oopsie Daisy Mar 2025 #90
Tough decisions? Hard work? pinkstarburst Mar 2025 #122
What specifically would you have Democrats do instead? Oopsie Daisy Mar 2025 #123
Why would we rise up Chuck ??? SamKnause Mar 2025 #34
And yet you were too cowardly to stop him in the senate pinkstarburst Mar 2025 #35
"Well, not me, of course, but those other Americans will." Sky Jewels Mar 2025 #38
Gosh. H2O Man Mar 2025 #39
Americans are supposed to do his job. Irish_Dem Mar 2025 #43
"rising up" without effective leadership is not the best option mike_c Mar 2025 #45
Somebody has to rise up against the convicted felon. republianmushroom Mar 2025 #47
Enter Sandman & AOC... they are not afraid to confront the Dickhead-in-Chief!! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2025 #111
Thanks for this MorbidButterflyTat Mar 2025 #49
Is this another bait-&-switch? Think. Again. Mar 2025 #51
Actually, he's telling us all to just sit tight. Which is worse. Scrivener7 Mar 2025 #54
Sit tight until after the supreme court solidifies his wins? Think. Again. Mar 2025 #59
I wish I had his glasses. DFW Mar 2025 #53
Too late people already are nt Tribetime Mar 2025 #57
Well, WE will have to... regnaD kciN Mar 2025 #72
Chuck Schumer needs to resign. He's isn't a leader and expects the public to do the job he won't. Galraedia Mar 2025 #75
Sure Chuck because rising up is so effective...I mean it ended the war in 68 and Demsrule86 Mar 2025 #76
Stand up like you do, Chuck? HereForTheParty Mar 2025 #86
He sure seems to be working hard to convince somebody that he is working hard Attilatheblond Mar 2025 #92
Chuck needs to know where the people stand LuvLoogie Mar 2025 #94
Wow, does he think he was rising up Bettie Mar 2025 #95
That's why we need Bernie & AOC to lead the charge next time the CR bill comes up. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2025 #108
Most Americans don't have it in them. He's full of it. nt Blasphemer Mar 2025 #98
Says the guy who help force Biden to step down. Emile Mar 2025 #99
Yeah, that pissed me off too... obviously, Nancy also played a part in that!! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2025 #109
"If" not "as"??????? GreenWave Mar 2025 #101
That's what worries me when the CR bill comes up again (in September??). InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2025 #110
Is this like "waiting for the demographics to catch up"? Ursus Rex Mar 2025 #102
Chuck that is what you are paid to do! nt doc03 Mar 2025 #112
Americans have shruged off everything else he has done, but this will be the straw that breaks his back? krawhitham Mar 2025 #117

Hope22

(4,417 posts)
26. Exactly! Chuck...
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 10:58 AM
Mar 2025

American people will rise up when Congress rises up! There, we fixed it for him!

aeromanKC

(3,798 posts)
37. Schumer did the opposite
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 12:30 PM
Mar 2025

Trump would have called for Martial Law or similar if govt shutdown. Schumer bought us/the country some time.

Hanzzy72

(62 posts)
50. I wasn't happy with his vote initially.
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 02:47 PM
Mar 2025

I came around after he explained his reasoning. I'm still bitter about it, but I understand his rationale. I think we're heading toward martial law regardless. I just hope the people are ready for it and don't let him roll over us.

Demsrule86

(71,465 posts)
77. I didn't think his reasoning helped his case...he helped pass a bill that hurt
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 05:34 PM
Mar 2025

poor people and vets. There were substantial cuts in this bill and we got nothing...it also help Musk.

Cirsium

(3,298 posts)
58. That doesn't work
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 03:23 PM
Mar 2025

Appeasing a bully never works.

Trump could call for Martial Law now.

awesomerwb1

(4,960 posts)
69. Nah
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 04:26 PM
Mar 2025

LAken Riley, then the CR. And in 6 months the reps will do the exact same thing but worse because they know can steamroll Schumer again.

Schumer is the worst "leader" the Dems could have at this moment in time. It's puzzling how many people believe the opposite. Mind blowing really.

Ars Longa

(404 posts)
46. He needs to have a Town Hall with his constituents
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 02:11 PM
Mar 2025

before he comments on anything. That should be the standard for
all House & Senate members , (including Fetterman)..

sop

(17,274 posts)
2. No doubt Schumer will jump to the front of the mob when it rises up.
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 08:52 AM
Mar 2025

Man the barricades, Chuck!

 

HereForTheParty

(915 posts)
87. My guess is he'd "lead" from the rear
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 06:05 PM
Mar 2025

Wouldn't want to be doing anything risky, you know.

vanessa_ca

(611 posts)
100. "Forward!" he cried from the rear
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 05:35 AM
Mar 2025

"Forward!" he cried from the rear. And the front rank died. - P. Floyd

PJMcK

(24,624 posts)
3. Sure, Chuck
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 08:53 AM
Mar 2025

Schumer is one of my senators and I've voted for him repeatedly. But, boy, is he not the person we need at this dangerous time. His capitulation on the budget demonstrated profound weakness.

If the country didn't rise up to defeat Trump last November, where does Schumer see "a mass movement?"

lapucelle

(20,931 posts)
61. Senator Schumer kept the federal courts and the Social Security Administration open.
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 03:28 PM
Mar 2025

It is a dangerous time. That's why we need leaders with cool heads who think things through. If the government had shut down, it would not have reopened until Trump wanted it open.

Federal courts would only be hearing mission critical criminal cases, rather than all the civil cases. Any case that the Trump Administration and/or Doge is party to would have been postponed.

The Social Security Administration may have continued to cut checks, but they would no longer be processing applications.

The vast majority of federal workers would have been furloughed with no guarantee of ever being called back.

Those federal workers who remained would each be doing the work of five people, without being paid.

So no, Chuck Schumer did not capitulate, and no Chuck Schumer did not demonstrate weakness, profound or otherwise.

Chuck Schumer saved us from all the folks who were hollering "Resist!" without ever giving a thought to what would actually happen, who would be harmed and who would be freer to loot our system and manipulate the law, who would be the winners and who would be the losers.

And now Chuck Schumer is taking the heat and being vilified for his decision to keep the government open, when, in fact, we are very lucky that he did.

Here's a tip for everyone. Tell the folks attacking Democrats to do their homework. Tell them to find out exactly what happens during a government shutdown and who gets to decide if and when the government reopens.

And tell them to stop getting talking points from political influencers on tiktok and twitter and from asshats like Jon Stewart. Democrats are already busy trying to clean up their mess from November. We don't need any new ones.



Demsrule86

(71,465 posts)
79. Right, I guess you missed the part where they have cut multiple SS and Med offices and folks to man
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 05:39 PM
Mar 2025

the phone but demand people to prove who they are. Many folks won't get their money next month...he did nothing good for us.

lapucelle

(20,931 posts)
82. What are you talking about? Trump did that. It was not the result of a shutdown.
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 05:52 PM
Mar 2025

The waters are not muddied. We all know exactly who is closing offices: Trump. I guess you missed that part.

Good thing that those of us who are already working to put a Democrat in NY-17 did not miss that part. There's no way Lawler can blame a government shutdown for this.








Demsrule86

(71,465 posts)
93. The bill that was signed helped Musk to gain the power to do this to social security...the
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 06:49 PM
Mar 2025

bullshit ID's which will hurt many people.

lapucelle

(20,931 posts)
96. Schumer voted AGAINST the bill.
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 08:00 PM
Mar 2025

Every Senate Democrat (with the exception of Senator Jeanne Shaheen of NH) and every member of the House Democratic Caucus (with the exception of Thomas Massie of KY) voted AGAINST the continuing resolution.

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1191/vote_119_1_00133.htm#position

The government remains open, and the House and Senate Republicans entirely own the bill and everything that appertains.

All those folks who wanted to holler "Resist!" last week would be bellowing "Do Something!" this week if they had gotten their way.


It's time to listen to the people who understand the process, understand the message, and understand the assignment.




InAbLuEsTaTe

(25,496 posts)
105. Regrettably I have to agree with you... but enter Sandman & AOC, leaders who are not afraid to lead!!
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 06:46 AM
Mar 2025

Nanjeanne

(6,492 posts)
5. So when the people get the courage to face possibly military violence, arrest and deportation then
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 08:59 AM
Mar 2025

Schumer will get his pom poms out and cheer them on. Makes sense. Seniors will be living in the streets anyway when they have no money coming in, and are kicked out of closing nursing homes.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(25,496 posts)
106. Now there's an idea!! Chuck has to know he made a HUGE mistake...
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 06:55 AM
Mar 2025

When the issue comes up again at the end of the current CR bill -- in September?? -- enter Sandman & AOC... no doubt they will be with the warriors on the front line leading the charge!!

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
11. Reading the posts here is so predictable. Yeah it is all "Schumer's fault", ignoring the fact that the voting public
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 09:29 AM
Mar 2025

bear part of the responsibility because enough of them decided either not to bother to vote or vote third party, and gave the majority of both houses and the WH to where we are today.

Populists promise the world, seldom deliver, but they sure fool a lot of people along the way.

A lot of us live in our own bubble, and don't even consider that just possibly there might be a significant number of people who don't share our ideas.

The greens, those on the left, etc. have been the best unwitting allies of giving us trump and the supreme court we have today.

Just look at 2000, 2016, and 2024.

The fact that some go out of their way to not even be identified as Democrats speaks volumes.

They may have their big rallies and loyal followers, but we will continue to lose elections, because enough of them will either refuse to vote for the Democratic nominee by either not voting or voting third party.

The strategy of "do everything I want or I will take my marbles and go home", is a sure way to continue to lose.








Mysterian

(6,141 posts)
13. Right...it's the public's fault.
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 09:55 AM
Mar 2025

Good strategy. Blame it on the public. Bravo! Rather than fix the problems in our party and our leadership, let's blame it on the public!

BRILLIANT!

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
16. It isn't a strategy, it is a fact. Who do you think voted for these representatives, senators, and president?
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 10:08 AM
Mar 2025

If this was a one time thing perhaps it could be written off, but it isn't an aberration. 2000, 2016, and 2024 gave us exactly where we are today.

Right, the public is blameless, it is always someone else.

It doesn't matter whether it is schumer or someone else, we would always find a scapegoat.

This did not happen because of someone voted for cloture, this happened because too many decided either not to vote or vote third party.

2000, 2016, and 2024 are prime examples of that.

The excuse that I am tired of voting for the lesser of "two evils, and I am not going to do it anymore", doesn't cut it.

That is how we have Citizens Untied, and an extremist Supreme Court that will be with us for decades.

If trump and the rethugs continue in the direction they are going they should be demolished in 2026, but based on what happened in 2024, that is far from certain.

Everyone jumped on the bandwagon that the Democrats should not support McCarthy and let the republicans kick him out. While short term that may have felt good, but ron johnson turns out to be far worse. I can image the rage that Jefferies would have received here if he got enough Democrats to retaining mccarthy over and unknown republican. I think it would have been just as angry and frustrated posters against jefferies as there are against schumer now.

In two years the voters have a chance to change this, will they?

and if they don't, who are we going to blame?







Autumn

(48,717 posts)
21. When did it become the voters fault when politicians fail to get enough votes to win
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 10:41 AM
Mar 2025

the House or the Senate? I think if any politician doesn't win their election that's on them. Not the voter. They ran their campaign. If they win they ran a campign that appealed to the voter, if they lost they didn't appleal to the voter. Maybe they need to look at themselves.

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
25. Of course it is the voters fault. The differences between republican candidates and the Democratic candidates were
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 10:52 AM
Mar 2025

very clear. There was no ambiguity.

With that logic I guess we can blame Harris loss because she wasn't a man, a racist, sexist, bigot who tried to overturn an election.

The voters are truly blameless.



The voters are going to get exactly what they deserve. Unfortunately, those of us who realized there was a difference between the rethugs and the Democrats are going to pay for the consequences of that also.

We lost a million people the because the sociopath mishandled a pandemic.

The one thing trump deserves credit for is he told everyone exactly what he was going to do, and they still voted for him. but it isn't the voters fault?

 

kelly1mm

(5,756 posts)
84. Doesn't that beg the question though how bad does a party/candidate have to be to lose to someone
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 05:58 PM
Mar 2025

who was already in office 4 years so has a track record, had a part in Jan 6th, denied the 2020 election, got indited multiple times and s a 34 count convicted felon? As you said, the difference between the Democrats and Republicans were very clear. The voters still voted against Democrats.
Instead of looking at what was unappealing to voters from our message/was appealing from the opposition message, we just throw up our hands and say 'we don't need to change anything, the voters are just too stupid ......'

mcar

(45,596 posts)
120. Not bad, just a woman of color
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 01:34 PM
Mar 2025

Remember, the day before the election the conventional wisdom was that Harris had run a flawless campaign. The day after, the mostly white, male pundits were screaming about how much she sucked.

The media's continuous harping on the economy being bad (it wasn't) didn't help either.

Also, you cannot discount the electorate's ignorance. On Election Day, the most Googled question was "Is Joe Biden running?" In the days after, the most Googled question was "Can I change my vote?"

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
32. Yeah right, it wasn't the voters fault to vote for a racist, sexist, and bigot,
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 11:56 AM
Mar 2025

It wasn’t the voters fault because they didn’t want a black woman, and instead voted for trump.

senseandsensibility

(24,204 posts)
40. Blame the trump voters til the cows come home
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 01:07 PM
Mar 2025

It won't do anything. What we need to do is attract all the voters who did vote for Harris (and it was a lot), plus nonvoters, and more swing voters. That's what we should be concentrating on. The average Dem voter (you, me and everyone on DU) has no power to construct and enact such a message on our own. The Dem leadership does. Sorry, but it's on them. That's why they're called leaders.

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
41. Anyone who refused to vote for VP Harris by either not voting or voting third party was voting for trump.
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 01:10 PM
Mar 2025

senseandsensibility

(24,204 posts)
42. I'm afraid that that's not realistic
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 01:17 PM
Mar 2025

Whether we like it or not, (and I don't) many voters are extremely ignorant of the issues. That's sometime their own fault, or they could be a victim of purposeful misinformation. Some people are better than others at critical thinking and interpreting information. The Dem leadership needs to find a way to reach these voters with simple, blunt language.

Cirsium

(3,298 posts)
64. Go argue with them, then
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 03:36 PM
Mar 2025

Go argue with these people who refused to vote for VP Harris, the ffs and leave us alone. Tell them how stupid they are. Let us know how that goes.

Response to JohnSJ (Reply #16)

Cirsium

(3,298 posts)
63. If you ran a business
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 03:33 PM
Mar 2025

If you ran a business, would you blame the consumers if no one bought your products?

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
20. In two years the voters will have a chance to change this. If they don't, who are you going to blame then?
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 10:37 AM
Mar 2025

It wasn't that long ago everyone was fawning over fetterman over conner lamb.

The excuse then was that fetterman fooled a lot of people. Not really. Anyone who took the effort and time to look at his past would have know he doesn't follow a particular mold.

Conner Lamb was a known, and his voting record was liberal to moderate. That worked out real well.

Thank goodness Jeffries voted to let the republicans cast mccarthy aside as their house leader, and gave us ron johnson who is far worse than mccarthy.

I can just imagine the outrage against jeffries if he voted to retain mccarthy because he thought the risk of an unknown republican could make things even worse.

There are unintended consequences, and we have been paying for a lot of them.

Autumn

(48,717 posts)
24. I vote for the Democrat every election and I'm not a Democrat. Any politician who is
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 10:47 AM
Mar 2025

running for office owes it to the voter to get their votes. No politician is owed any vote.

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
27. I have NEVER questioned, and never would question that you would always vote for a candidate who supports Civil Rights,
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 10:59 AM
Mar 2025

Workers rights, women's rights, etc.

The issues were very clear in 2000, 2016, and 2024, and too many people didn't vote or voted third party, and we are all going to pay a price for their foolishness, because the issues were never more clear than 2024.

and if they have a problem voting for someone because that person is a woman or not the right color, that is on the voters.

Celerity

(53,525 posts)
29. 19 and a half months until the 2026 midterms. I am extraordinarily worried they might not happen. I look at the sheer
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 11:42 AM
Mar 2025

breadth and depth of the ever increasing rapid destruction of the American system of governance and it terrifies me.

Plenty of blame to go around and even if large swathes of the myriad groups that we blame come around, I truly fear that the darkness, the centrifugal forces of entropy now unleashed may well tear on unstopped, unchecked.

Scrivener7

(58,104 posts)
103. So we agree that in two years we very well might not have the opportunity to change.
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 06:30 AM
Mar 2025
 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
113. I think the odds are that that opportunity vanished on November 5. Unless the judicial branch is able to stem the
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 08:28 AM
Mar 2025

abuses it will be quite difficult, and by all appearances, unlike the Gore V bush decision which was resolved quickly, this court goes out of their way to delay decisions, even to the effect of "running out the clock".

We have prestigious law firms capitulating under trump's executive orders, MSM outlets capitulating before this administration, that this SC has even opened the door to hear birthright citizenship at the request of trump trying to nullify something that has been in place for over 100 years in spite of 3 separate courts ruling against its nullification does not portend well, especially in the context that they had no problem with getting rid of Roe, whittling down the Civil Rights Act, etc. Stare decisis is no longer adhered to with this SC, Corporations are now viewed as people, Citizens United, which effectively opens the door to corporations trying to "buy" elections, because they ruled it "represents free speech". We will see how they view "free speech" when it comes to barring AP from the WH press Corp because it wouldn't refer to the "Gulf of Mexico" as "The Gulf of America".

The stakes were very clear on November 5, and too many people ignored it, or worse, actually agreed with it, even though trump made very clear what he was going to do.






Scrivener7

(58,104 posts)
115. And yet, we have about two years to fight tooth and nail to hold some kind of line against this breakneck
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 09:30 AM
Mar 2025

slide into fascism.

Are you willing to squander that as a "told you so" to the people who didn't vote the way we did? I know you aren't.

But right now, all bets are off for Mump, so all bets need to be off for us too.

We need to get ugly now. It's our last chance. "Wait and see" became absurd a really long time ago.

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
118. Three special elections will happen in 2025. Two in April and one in September.
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 09:43 AM
Mar 2025

Florida's 1st Congressional District on April 1, 2025
Florida's 6th Congressional District on April 1, 2025
Arizona's 7th Congressional District on September 23, 2025

Scrivener7

(58,104 posts)
119. That's great. But another tool at our disposal, a totally legitimate one, is to
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 10:34 AM
Mar 2025

change our Senate Minority Leader to one better suited to this circumstance.

And we need to use EVERY tool we have.

Cirsium

(3,298 posts)
65. My advice
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 03:39 PM
Mar 2025

Between now and the midterms I think you should stand out on a busy street corner and shout all of these grievances you have at random passers by. That would be less destructive than what you are doing here.

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
67. "Less destructive than what I am doing here? " How Democratic of you to
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 04:05 PM
Mar 2025

hurl some blame at me for expressing some “god forbid” thoughts that might disagree with yours.

I have a suggestion if my comments irritate you so much then block me, then you won’t see them.


Cirsium

(3,298 posts)
68. ha ha ha
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 04:22 PM
Mar 2025
Your chronic objection is with people expressing their thoughts that disagree with yours. You have gone on and on about that for days and days. Talk about projection! To borrow from Representative Crockett - I thought I would give you a dose of your own medicine.

That reminds me of a story Lincoln told about the man who was run out on town on a rail, tarred and feathered. When asked how he liked it, he replied "if it weren't for the honor of the thing, I would just as soon have walked." Lincoln was answering a question about how he liked being president.
 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
70. Sorry Cirsium, but I think you are the one projecting not me
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 04:35 PM
Mar 2025

You give me much to much credit for something that isn’t there.

Have a pleasant evening.

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
73. I don't object to people I disagree with, unless they are racist, sexist,
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 05:17 PM
Mar 2025

MAGAs, or advocates violence.

No one here fits in that category.

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
78. Then we are on the same page, and I have no doubt we will agree on actual issues,
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 05:35 PM
Mar 2025

Civil Rights, workers rights, the environment, etc. and want the end of the most corrupt, incompetent, authoritarian administration in most of our experience.

mcar

(45,596 posts)
121. So it's OK for DUers to bash elected Democrats
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 01:37 PM
Mar 2025

but not to point out the reality of the 2024 election? Cool.

Cirsium

(3,298 posts)
124. No
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 02:26 PM
Mar 2025

Who said "it's OK for DUers to bash elected Democrats?"

I am saying that this is not really about "bashing Democrats" at all, or even criticizing Democrats. It is abouit which Democrats should be criticized and which should not.

What is the "reality of the 2024 election?"

lapucelle

(20,931 posts)
80. Actually, we can change it this year. There are three congressional special elections coming up.
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 05:43 PM
Mar 2025

Of course all the folks bellowing "Resist!" and "Do Something!" on social media already know this and are already working to get Democrats elected in those races.

And, of course they're all shutting down the "Democrats suck too" narratives because we all have chance to do something concrete NOW to put the House in Democratic hands.

Right?

Autumn

(48,717 posts)
114. Another thing Republicans can do but Dems can't is to replace bad ledership?
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 08:48 AM
Mar 2025

As for the rest Not everyone has liked Fetterman, I never have. I didn't trust him when he pulled the trump thing and ran as a progressive'. Luckily I never have to make a choice to vote for him. So that takes care of your Fetterman "point" which AFAIC is irelevent.

republianmushroom

(22,122 posts)
48. Leadership, what, where, don't see any right now not in the senate.
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 02:21 PM
Mar 2025

Maybe in a year or two, now nothing. IMO

Scrivener7

(58,104 posts)
116. And replacing a minority leader is a perfectly legitimate party function. I don't know why we're acting
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 09:33 AM
Mar 2025

like it would be like storming the Capitol.

displacedvermoter

(4,080 posts)
55. Look at 2009, look forward and not backwards.
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 03:12 PM
Mar 2025

That was no Green or Leftist that said that before letting Bush and Cheney and the crooked bankers all off the hook, including any number of Chuck Schumer's Wall Street constituents, it was our new Democrat mainstream president.

Just saying, again....

displacedvermoter

(4,080 posts)
60. Agreed, and we keep getting told that she has the best political
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 03:26 PM
Mar 2025

instincts since LBJ. I guess maybe not always.

Cirsium

(3,298 posts)
62. False
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 03:31 PM
Mar 2025

No one here is saying "it is all Schumer's fault."

No one is giving the Trump voters a pass.

No one here is defending third party voters nor stay-at-homes.

No one here is saying "do everything I want or I will take my marbles and go home."

This statement reveals what you are really up to:

"Populists promise the world, seldom deliver, but they sure fool a lot of people along the way."

You disagree with a significant segment of the Democratic party coalition, so much so that you are willing to trash out that coalition in the hope of taking down people who don't agree with you.

The fact that you need to resort to falsehoods and smears suggests that you don't have a very strong argument to support your anti-progressive position.

peggysue2

(12,369 posts)
18. Despite Schumer's Senate vote, I think he's right on this one
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 10:12 AM
Mar 2025

Ultimately, it will take public resistance to belie the nonsense that Agent Orange has a mandate or that 'this is what the American people want, this is what they voted for'.

There are pockets of resistance all over the country. We've seen the huge crowds coming out for Senator Sanders and AOC. The push back is starting even in Republican districts where Reps are afraid to hold town halls, and those who do are being blasted to Kingdom Come.

That sort of push back reverberates even in the sound-proof halls of Congress.

Today I read a subhead about a rally in Michigan. The chant? Get Your Hands Off Our Social Security. That demand has heft and reminds me of the Tea Party marches. This time it's actually true.

There's a reason SS, Medicare and Medicaid are regarded as the third rail in American politics.

Touch it and you'll burn in political Hell because Americans depend on those services to survive. We've worked for them, paid for them and the majority of recipients and their families will blow a gasket over them.

Will there be violence? Quite possibly. We've all been schooled on the line: Freedom has never been free.

We're beginning to learn that in real time.

Americans are waking up and they're angry as hornets. If that's what it takes to rouse the rest of our representatives? So be it.

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
22. The damage was done as the result of the November 5 election. Either choice would have been bad. This is comparable
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 10:43 AM
Mar 2025

to what happened when the republicans wanted to oust mccarthy as speaker in the house.

In order for mccarthy to retain his speakership he would have needed to get a few Democrats in the House to support mccarthy.

Can you imagine the outrage here if he did that? I suspect it would have been just as bad as what is being expressed toward Schumer

The fact is that if jeffries actually did that he would have prevented ron johnson from becoming speaker, who is far worse than mccarthy was. In other words mccarthy was a known, who the republicans would have chosen was a wild card, and in this case it turned out to be a much worse alternative.


peggysue2

(12,369 posts)
31. I'm not defending Schumer's vote, John, and yes, the choices were either/or bad. November 5th was a debacle . . .
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 11:52 AM
Mar 2025

The moment we lost our best chance to stop the runaway train. Honestly, I'm not sure the results were legitimate but that's irrelevant at this point; we are where we are.

The one thing I would defend in Schumer's decision is the courts being able to proceed with all these cases against the regime. My understanding is that the legal fight would have ground to a halt if the Government had closed. What's going on in the courts is slowing the process, throwing sand in the gears much to Agent Orange's angst. And then there's Musk who is evolving into The Worst Person in the World, second only to Trump, of course. All of that is to the good and growing. Destructive speed is one of the main weapons Project 2025 was counting on--obliterate everything in 100 days before citizens woke up to their new reality.

The wreckage is real but the traitors have not succeeded in leveling everything, not yet at least. And people are screaming bloody hell.

Unfortunately, we all have much better vision in hindsight rather than in the moment.

I think you're right about McCarthy. He was bad but not entirely crazed. Johnson on the other hand is a Trump/Project 2025/Christian Nationalist rubber-stamp. Jeffries and House Dems made what they thought was a good decision. But they, too, did not have a crystal ball.

I think Schumer will survive the political headwinds. But that's a rough guess at best. We all need to be nimble in this landscape because things can change on a dime.

I'll tell you one thing for sure, I really miss Joe Biden!

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
33. Believe it or not I wanted Schumer to vote against cloture and
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 12:15 PM
Mar 2025

even wrote an OP expressing that.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220142034

In two years they will have an opportunity to change the leadership, this usual circular firing squad so publicly only helps our adversaries l.

Look what happened with the “Biden needs to drop out” movement a few months before the general election. If they were going to do something like that it should have been before he ran for a second term. Giving VP Harris only two months to campaign was a huge feat, and her campaign did a remarkable job under the circumstances, but it was an uphill battle with the media holding her to an impossible standard, and trump to no standard. Same thing happened to Hillary.

It only fits the right wing narrative that Democrats are in disarray, and that will not help us in the midterms.

Oopsie Daisy

(6,670 posts)
90. It's very easy to "preach to the choir" ... these are not typical voters.
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 06:33 PM
Mar 2025

My definition of a leader is someone who stays in Washington and makes tough decisions and is willing to "take the heat" from impatient folks who do not live in the real world and who expect everything instantly and who aren't willing to put in the hard work. I'm not completely certain that speaking to friendly crowds counts as being a real-leader when it has no effect on changing what's going on inside the Beltway. Anyone can recite a laundry-list of grievances. But it takes an entirely different skillset to get in there an DO something about it and make tough decisions in a damned-if-you-do and damned-if-you-don't world. So, clearly we have completely different ideas of what "leadership" means.

pinkstarburst

(1,870 posts)
122. Tough decisions? Hard work?
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 01:39 PM
Mar 2025

You mean like wearing pink and holding up paddles?

I'm pretty much done with those types of "leaders."

pinkstarburst

(1,870 posts)
35. And yet you were too cowardly to stop him in the senate
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 12:28 PM
Mar 2025

when you had the power to do so. And now vulnerable Americans are being hurt...

 

Sky Jewels

(9,148 posts)
38. "Well, not me, of course, but those other Americans will."
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 12:59 PM
Mar 2025

"Hey, did you guys hear that I wrote a book?!"

mike_c

(36,888 posts)
45. "rising up" without effective leadership is not the best option
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 01:39 PM
Mar 2025

I'd rather hear Schumer say how Congress will lead Americans to "rise up."

MorbidButterflyTat

(4,090 posts)
49. Thanks for this
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 02:36 PM
Mar 2025

With so much social security anxiety, I have to wonder why so many on this site wanted the government shut down. Maybe some can live without?

Federal employees unpaid and lining up for World Central Kitchen when tubby shut down the government because he wanted to grift federal funds for his stupid idiotic imaginary border wall.

Are those and other disgusting conditions really what people want? No consideration for what that filth would do?

Or is constant disrespect and hate for Schumer too overwhelming to recognize the GD truth.

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
51. Is this another bait-&-switch?
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 03:01 PM
Mar 2025

Is he making tough sounding noises while saying we must wait until after all trump's cases are passed by the supreme court before we start fighting against fascism?

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
59. Sit tight until after the supreme court solidifies his wins?
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 03:25 PM
Mar 2025

Yes, way worse.

Sorry schumer, I'll be taking to the streets on April 5th, I hope everyone (who is Pro-Democracy and anti-fascist) will join me.

https://www.mobilize.us/handsoff/map/?date=2025-04-05T04%3A00%3A00.000Z&lat=47.177485255191115&lon=-74.6999577447121&zoom=1.0335942377157978

DFW

(59,678 posts)
53. I wish I had his glasses.
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 03:06 PM
Mar 2025

A retired German journalist spent the weekend with us, and he see the USA sliding into a "creeping dictatorship" which keeps biting one piece of the pie off at a time until we realize there is none left. That last real rising up I remember was the half million people at the Pentagon in 1967, and even that did no good.

If the administration ignoring court orders won't make the Senate and the House cry out in one voice for removal, then there will be no rising up, either. Maybe a Bernie Sanders rally for 16500 people in Sioux City, Iowa, for all the good that'll do. Every adminsitration has respected court orders they didn't like, especially from the Supreme Court. That's why we had the Iraq invasion of 2003 and Citizens United, courtesy of Roberts and Alito. When an administration scoffs at a court ruling, and says, "so sue me," meaning they don't intend to pay any attention to it, there is no more rule of law, just autocratic rule and mob rule, neither of which end well.

Chuckles doesn't trust Trump's pledges to abide by juidical rulings? Wow, what a concidence. Neither do I. I trust Bondi to tell him he doesn't have to, and I trust Trump to believe her. Schumer doesn't need to show anyone how bad Trump's policies are. Everyone who cares to see has already seen, and those who think that if Trump calls the sidewalk water, tnat he then walks on water, will see them as wonderful.

Incredulous as it seems, our supposedly educated nation has elected alomst 50 Senatore and 200 House Representatives who believe that removing food, educastion and health care from their constituents helps the budget and is a good idea. Even more difficult to believe, the people who elected them and will lose out think it's a good idea, too. Only when starvation or deportation comes knocking at their doors will they think to say, "wait, I didn't vote for this,," and then not believe it even after being shown that they did.

Galraedia

(5,324 posts)
75. Chuck Schumer needs to resign. He's isn't a leader and expects the public to do the job he won't.
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 05:30 PM
Mar 2025

It's seriously pathetic. Good luck motivating people to vote democratic to try to make this pathetic excuse of a human being majority leader in the senate.

Demsrule86

(71,465 posts)
76. Sure Chuck because rising up is so effective...I mean it ended the war in 68 and
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 05:30 PM
Mar 2025

all...oh wait it didn't. About the only thing 'rising up' ever did was for civil rights which Schumer's GOP buddies are busy dismantling. We are in trouble Senator...Stop with the institutionalist behavior and pretending it is 1990's. It is not.

 

HereForTheParty

(915 posts)
86. Stand up like you do, Chuck?
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 06:03 PM
Mar 2025

Thought we were just waiting for Trump to make himself unpopular.

Attilatheblond

(8,123 posts)
92. He sure seems to be working hard to convince somebody that he is working hard
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 06:47 PM
Mar 2025

Not a chess player, more of a slot machine handle puller lately.

Bettie

(19,219 posts)
95. Wow, does he think he was rising up
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 06:52 PM
Mar 2025

when he gave Trump everything he wanted for the CR to pass....extra power and Muskrat gets to dig farther into the government to make his nasty little nest.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(25,496 posts)
109. Yeah, that pissed me off too... obviously, Nancy also played a part in that!!
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 07:13 AM
Mar 2025

Hard to believe we find ourselves in this mess created by the Fascist-in-Chief... just sad.

GreenWave

(12,211 posts)
101. "If" not "as"???????
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 05:42 AM
Mar 2025

That guy should not get one more second chance ever. He has exhausted those chances enormously.

Ursus Rex

(472 posts)
102. Is this like "waiting for the demographics to catch up"?
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 06:19 AM
Mar 2025

Because while you’re waiting, the other side is grooming new blood, speaking the language of their base, and acting toward accomplishing their goal. We, on the other hand, are gonna have a metric shit-ton of dry powder.

krawhitham

(5,052 posts)
117. Americans have shruged off everything else he has done, but this will be the straw that breaks his back?
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 09:40 AM
Mar 2025

No going to happen

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