Gun Owners of America hints at armed revolt

[sasha031]

Executive Director Larry Pratt tells Chris Matthews that government's "gone overboard," and gun owners should act
Things got real ugly real quick during Chris Matthews’ interview with Larry Pratt on MSNBC’s “Hardball” this evening.

The reptilian executive director of Gun Owners of America, last seen telling gun control advocates “they have the blood of little children on their hands,” argued that we are “less free without automatic rifles,” and need to stay prepared.

Matthews, who loves nothing more than hurling himself through cracked-open doors like this, was all too happy to oblige with a “prepared for what?”

Pratt: “To take on our government. [And this] government has gone overboard.” He continued that it’s time to take action “when elections are stolen.”

Does this mean that the Gun Owners of America’s 300,000 members are preparing to revolt?
http://www.salon.com/2012/12/17/gun_owners_of_america_hints_at_armed_revolt/

I'm against Gitmo, needs to be closed. Anyone have any ideas where they should be shipped?

[spanone]

1. was he talking about bush stealing 2000???

[roguevalley]

15. I own a gun. Antique but loved because it was an inheritance from my late dad

Two actually. One was an Alaska statehood rifle that will never be fired as it is a museum quality piece. Then there is my flintlock. Try shooting that thing in a hurry. however, I am not part of his gun owners delusion. I doubt that more than a few hundred really belong and only a handful of them are this stupid. These dolts need to produce their records. We need to laugh at their tiny little groups and their smaller minds. Fuck them.

[winetourdriver]

129. my dads guns

My dad had a small collection of firearms he kept locked in a cabinet in his basement. Shotguns and rifles, for hunting. He had nothing like these nuts have today, nor would he have wanted anything like an assault rifle. When he died I was very dissapointed my brothers took them all, he had a vintage shotgun I would have liked to have. I've always favored shotguns for home defence, old fashioned I guess.

[PatrynXX]

133. dad has a couple

now , when his dad passed away. One's a Mauser ( funky expensive shells) the other one is a japanese Rifle likely a Souvenir from something. Rather hard to fire as it has a bullet hole in it.

he seems a bit confused. Automatic weapons are rather banned. Semi Auto rifles.. with that sort of magazine. uh oh okay it looks like something Rambo would carry. But .. fuck it I'm not carrying this line of thinking. Gets me again into that zombie state of shock I was fri-sat. Someday maybe I'll be able to carry a proper discussion on this.

[Maynar]

134. Or 2004?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

2. They may get vaporized before you get a chance to ship them away

Remind them that they should line up straight for their armed revolt, and it would be good if they carried dental records.

[roguevalley]

16. awesome post, disgustipatedinCA. :D

[DisgustipatedinCA]

19. Thanks. It just makes you wonder what sort of addled fantasies

these people are concocting for themselves. I visualize Red Dawn fans (the 80s version), but now they're 44 years old, with beer gut, rifle, and a headful of 'bagger "philosophy".

[2naSalit]

23. Interesting you should mention that movie

It played in my tiny little rural redneck Rocky Mountain town just last week. At first I thought it odd but then again, the town is owned and operated by a certain sect that almost took over the white house recently so... then I realized it wasn't so odd and made me shudder to realize why it was dredged up from the moviehouse basement/bunker

[Sirveri]

95. They actually just released a remake, so it might be the new version.

This time it's North Korea who invades, or some other such nonsense.

[Scootaloo]

102. It was going to be China, but then it couldn't be shown in that country

But they'd already filmed it, so there's all sorts of awful silliness like CGI North Korean flags over the filmed Chinese flags, stuff like that.

It gets even funnier when you remember that North Korea probably couldn't successfully invade North Korea.

[susanna]

127. Now that was funny...

"It gets even funnier when you remember that North Korea probably couldn't successfully invade North Korea."

Well played, Scootaloo...well played.

[2naSalit]

111. Yikes...

It was a low-level B movie to begin with, somebody must be pretty desperate to consider it worth a remake.

[caseymoz]

126. At least they'll have to release 300k drug inmates

. . . to make room for these guys. I say it's worth it. Go for the trade.

[quaker bill]

33. Better yet, they should keep the dental records out ot the line of fire...

[caseymoz]

125. We'll find out how good guns are at overthrowing governments

when the gun-holders are lamebrains.

[ellisonz]

3. I saw that today...

...he was doing all he could not to invoke the Civil War as a rationalization for why he needs guns to overthrow the government.

Psychotic, wing-nut, scum.

[Democracyinkind]

36. Because owning guns worked so well for the rebels, right?

[bobclark86]

52. Ask the Mujahideen...

Or the Vietmihn, or the Veit Cong, or the colonials...

[Democracyinkind]

58. all of them won their struggles with weapons previously owned?

[ellisonz]

65. Wait - so we need guns for invading foreign poers fantasies?

Is that really what you're saying?

Have I got a movie for you:

http://www.youtube.com/channel/SWeW42w_-gG7U

[thucythucy]

92. The Vietnamese had surface to air missiles.

Are you suggesting these be deregulated as well?

[Scootaloo]

104. Yes, do ask the mujahadeen...

http://tkfiles.storage.msn.com/y1pUt0liKawcr-ktm4YXY8kdKFvqe0o2iJfJmvE4X2TeCo8BWi3tYJx2mnWs-raeaPLcaM5rp_2RjA





Specifically, ask them how they dealt with Russia's tanks and fighters.

Or perhaps how they deal with ours;


You know. Just like the 2nd amendment says!

[BainsBane]

107. Afghanistan

The NRA's wet dream.

[Downtown Hound]

132. All of those rebels had foreign help and aid

Not to mention broad public support at home. These idiots have neither. All they have are their boom sticks and wet dreams.

[AZ Progressive]

4. This is a problem with rabid gun owners. They feel so powerful with their guns

That they have the gaul to threaten of an armed revolt, nevertheless how stupid it would be if they did so.

[tonybgood]

43. I've always wondered about this "armed revolt" idea.

What weapon does he have in his arsenal to defeat an armored car? Does he really think that he's going to shoot through an M1A2 Abrams tank? How's it going to work out when the government lobs a few mortar rounds at him? Then there's always trying to shoot down a Predator drone with a Hellfire missile. Think this guy can hit that?

It's such a fallacy to think that we're going to prevent a government intent on tyranny with a gun. It's not as if owning a gun makes you bullet-proof!!!

[bobclark86]

53. Ask the thousands of Americans killed in Afghanistan how the Taliban is doing... n/t

[ellisonz]

90. I would

But they're fucking dead! Way to use dead American soldiers to make a political argument for an insurrectionist gun nut ideology!

[pscot]

116. I'll seek instruction from the taliban when the Afghan government

has troops stationed in Seattle.

[thucythucy]

118. You obviously never read the replies you get

for your posts. You just post the same nonsense again and again.

Pathetic.

[MightyMopar]

136. So Pakistan is going to helpt the GOA?

[BainsBane]

108. Yet so weak without them

They think danger lurks around every corner and their only defense is to be heavily armed. I am always astounded by the level of fear they display. If I as a middle aged woman living alone in the inner city can handle myself perfectly well without weapons, why do they feel the need for an arsenal?

[GReedDiamond]

5. I'm against Gitmo too...

...but as long as it's still open, put em there. That'll save some $$$, right Boehner?

I think Hillbilly Heroin Rush called it "Club Gitmo," so the NtRAitors should love it there.

[sasha031]

8. +1

[A Simple Game]

98. Keep Gitmo open? Well OK, but if we are going to start sending the

scum of the earth down there, no more two kinds of fruit.

[Archae]

6. Well, we know they are revolting...

"You said it, they stink on ice." -Mel Brooks, "History Of The World Part 1"

[Politicalboi]

103. Still waiting for Part 2

Hitler on ice.

[bhikkhu]

7. And once they've freed themselves what kind of government will they invent?

I'd like to see a bunch of gun nuts try to govern themselves. Even more absurd to imagine - a bunch of families of gun nuts setting up any kind of working government.

[orwell]

9. Somalia? n/t

[ellisonz]

12. Liberia.

Not as many Muslims...

[2naSalit]

24. Redneckistan... like that cartoon from last week or so...

[Honeycombe8]

10. A poster here on DU also told DU gun owners they have the blood of children on their hands,

unless they've done something proactive to prevent the massacre.

I have one gun for self defense, which I told that poster. That poster then told me that I have the blood of children on my hands.

Sound extreme? A little off the wall, maybe? Sound like the guy you just quoted in your OP?

Seems like SOME on both sides are not going to work toward a fix. It's gotten too political already.

Hatred of "others" is never the solution to a problem, IMO.

[baldguy]

39. Oh, you poor delicate little flower!

If you don't like it when someone exposes the glaringly obvious & ugly consequences of your political positions, maybe you should wake-up & think about changing your positions instead of arguing with reality.

You want all the rights of gun ownership without any of the responsibilities. You want military firepower to be freely available without the military discipline & civilian control that goes with it. This is madness.

If you're a gun owner who has opposed to gun control, who shouts down any discussion restricting guns, who runs down gun control advocacy groups & campaigns against candidates who support gun control, then, yes, the blood of the victims of Sandy Hook - and all the other mass murders that have happened - is on your hands. That's where it belongs.

[EOTE]

62. Ah yes, totally "off the wall".

Oh wait, it's actually fairly appropriate. Do you not see a difference between the ones who think we need more guns and the ones who think we need less? Do you think people calling for a reduction in assault weapons are calling for armed revolution? By you pretending that both sides are equally wacky, you're showing how incredibly little you know about this issue.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

119. Goodness sakes. I'm sorry to hear about your feelings.

To be clear, I'm probably not nearly as FUCKING SORRY as the parents of 20 slaughtered children, because these two things cannot even be measured on the same scale. I think you have what's referred to as a #firstworldproblem.

[thucythucy]

120. This isn't some random extremist posting on a web thread.

It's the head of an organization with, supposedly, thousands and thousands of members, who is routinely asked to represent gun owners such as yourself.

If you have a problem being linked with this sort of rhetoric (and of course you should) perhaps you should contact this organization and give them a peace of your mind, as the responsible gun owner that you are. Perhaps if he heard from enough gun owners such as yourself, he might be tempted to tone down his rhetoric. Perhaps if his organization heard from you and others like you, it might consider replacing him with someone who is less obviously delusional.

We pro-gun control people don't pick who represents gun owners in this country. The gun owners do.

Just a thought.

[Honeycombe8]

122. I'm not the one linked with that rhetoric. Another poster here is. I'm not wacko enough

to say such a weird thing. I leave that to the extremists, as is so well pointed out in the OP that that is what he is.

[Honeycombe8]

123. I am a pro-gun control person, and a gun owner. I have nothing to do with wacko extremists.

Whether it's this guy, Dobson, posters in forums who say wacko extremist things to normal posters, or personally.

I'm not the one with the problem. The wacko extremists are the problem. As we've seen with these mass shootings. Nothing good comes from bizarre, irrational accusations hurled toward others. As is evidenced by that OP.

Just pointing out that those who are appalled at his statements, are just fine if those same statements are made by one of their own group. I'm sure the group of the guy in that OP are fine with his irrational outbursts, too.

[thucythucy]

124. Just for the record, if someone went on national TV

representing DU, and made off-the-wall comments as extreme as this guy's, or if someone supposedly representing the left or progressives or liberals made a statement like this, I'd expect lots of DUers to register their complaints.

Yes, people on this site, some of them anyway, reacted emotionally, and perhaps hyperbolically, to the news on Friday. You can expect this sort of thing to happen in the immediate aftermath of 20 small children and their teachers being gunned down by someone holding a weapon many of us wanted banned decades ago.

That some gun owners came on, during this emotional groundswell, and attempted to defend the NRA, equivocate about the responsibility of the gun lobby, and deflect the blame in various odd directions (including some rather nasty attacks on children with autism) only exacerbated the situation.

If you support taking the first step, which is restoring the ban on assault weapons (and strengthening it where it needs strengthening) then you have my support. If, though, you're one of the folks (and I've seen some on these threads) who are arguing we can't and shouldn't do ANYTHING to further restrict, regulate, or limit access to firearms, then I really can't get too very worked up about your hurt feelings.

Sorry to be so blunt about it, but there it is.

I just now signed a White House petition urging that an assault weapons ban be passed with all due speed. I invite you to please go to the WH website and do the same.

[struggle4progress]

11. Someone suggested swampy gator-infested re-education camps might work

[Brigid]

63. There's one in SC already.

It's called Parris Island.

[Aristus]

13. If those fuckheads ever grow the cojones to rise up in armed insurrection,

I'm taking my 44 year-old ass down to the Army recruiting station and telling them "I crewed a tank in the Gulf in 1991; let me at those fuckers!"

Let's see how they do against someone who shoots back!

[Great Caesars Ghost]

93. Hell, I will loan you one of my experimentals.

[Aristus]

94. Experimental what?

[onehandle]

14. Bring it on. Our military will kick your asses. nt

[Lizzie Poppet]

31. Possible problem with that...big problem, actually.

If there were any such armed resistance to a ban/confiscation of civilian firearms (and that's what it would take...a really unlikely occurrence because it's politically un-doable), then there would be way, way more potential insurrectionists than the 300K members of that organization.

That would still prove little threat to the US military, save for one huge problem: the US military is skewed significantly to the conservative side of things these days, and the majority of its members would oppose (many of them vehemently) any such law. Would they obey orders to fire on people resisting such a law? I very, very much doubt it...t least not all or even most of them.

[DollarBillHines]

64. Throw in 90% of local Law Enforcemnt, as well.

Armed insurrection in this country would be sheer Hell. I don't think for a minute that the military could contain it.

When the field of engagement is urban and suburban, the military is toothless.

[Lizzie Poppet]

70. Very possibly so.

Although I think the relative insularity of the police still might be a factor.

[toby jo]

100. Law enforcement wants no part of an armed citizenry.

They are already up against them on a daily basis. They would like an end to this hell.

The first command to stop any troubles and they'd be on it. That's not an engagement they want in any way to loose. How would they face their job the next day? Why would they give in to any new lines of authority? We'll never go over that cliff, not a chance in hell.

[melody]

69. PuhLEASE!!! LOL

I know these people! These people are in the distant reaches of my family. Armed revolt? Armchair revolt MAYBE. The US military is SOMEWHAT skewed to the conservative side, but their one duty is to keep the peace. Also, take a look at the military lately -- you'll notice a LOT of minorities. Anyway, rich people don't make money unless all the consumers are happily buying crap.

[Lizzie Poppet]

72. Oh, don't get me wrong. I don't see insurrection as at all likely.

I don't see forcible confiscation of firearms as likely, thus any question of armed resistance to such a thing as a bit moot. I'm merely presenting a hypothetical...and one that's I'd pray never came to pass (were I not an atheist). A nightmare scenario without a doubt...

[melody]

77. That's why it wouldn't be allowed to happen

People would lose money.

[Lizzie Poppet]

80. Good point.

We can't, after all, interrupt the steady flow of capital to our corporate masters...

[A Simple Game]

99. Never allowed to happen is right.

An insurrection would be to overthrow the government. Without a government, who would protect the rich. People wouldn't just lose money. Without a government, money would be worthless, who's rich now? Not people with money or stock.

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. I heard it

I also loved the wrong headed myth about the minutemen...it was the Kentucky long riffle, not the Red Coats Brown Bess. I mean, when they even miss this basic piece of Americana.

[Ikonoklast]

18. The military would roll over these doughy wannabes.

And the rest of the gunners would run in fear of their lives.

Most have never heard a shot fired in anger ay anyone, let alone been shot at directly by someone with the deadly serious intent of rudely depriving them of life.

It's all bluster and bravado, right up to the moment you hear the first round sizzle past your ear.

Then, for most, it's piss your pants time.

[MisterP]

20. he's infatuated with Guatemalan and Filipino "civil defense" death squads and wants 'em for the US

and of course white supremacist fiestas and something called the United Sovereigns of America
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2001/summer/false-patriots?page=0,8

[ellisonz]

27. Amazing that MSNBC let that shitbag on air...

[tonybgood]

45. It's all about ratings!!!

Why else would they let these heinous people and their violent ideas have any air time at all?

[Coyotl]

21. Blowhard. Let me guess, he gets paid to stir up trouble

and a lot of people send in money when they hear this worthless, meaningless bullshit.

[Mr. Mojo Risen]

22. Yea let me know how that works out for ya.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

25. Well, that is the one thing that could get guns actually taken away from Americans.

Maybe they're thinking it's their civic duty to help curb the number of irresponsible gun owners in this country? Dunno.

[doc03]

26. Bring it n/t

[Lint Head]

28. The Secret Service should be watching this asshole closely. He is flirting with insurrection.

He and his organization could be declared a danger to the sovereignty of the United States and classified as a terrorist group. Come on Larry Prick you cowardly fascist. Tell me more about your threats to my country.

[SCVDem]

79. That's why I read all the comments

You stated what I was going to.

When does Homeland Security step in?

Whose homeland are they defending?

It's time to put the fear in these Rambo wannabes. Hell, they're not even the Expendables.

[js2886]

86. exactly

This asshole goes on national television and pretty much makes terrorist threats and nobody bats an eye. Terrorism can be defined as the use or threat of violence for political gain. All this talk about fighting our government with arms is certaintly a threat of violence. It also sound pretty treasonous.

[tblue]

29. Isn't that treason?

Cowardly ass. I saw that and he made me wish bad things and I hate him for that!!!

[rl6214]

30. I am pro 2nd amendment and think GAO are extremists

[friendly_iconoclast]

32. They *are* extremists. They make the NRA seem moderate

[Buns_of_Fire]

41. 300,000 or so hardcore nutjobs.

They've even criticized the NRA for being too moderate on some issues.

No matter how crazy you think you are, there's someone out there that's crazier than you...

[WinkyDink]

34. Bwah! These people are deluded big-time.

[Philosoraptor]

37. I believe some will actually try it

And fail. But it'll be nasty.

[JHB]

38. I take particular note about the "stolen elections" part...

Somehow I don't think he's going to rise up against real election thievery, just the legitimate ones he think went the "wrong" way.

[Nay]

75. Exactly. I bet he wasn't waving his di...I mean, gun, when Bush stole the election in 2000. Asshole.

[Mc Mike]

40. Leavenworth, Marion, Pelican Bay SHU are open for business.

[olegramps]

42. He is certifiably insane.

[rrneck]

44. Feeding at the political trough. nt

[bullwinkle428]

46. All of a sudden, the idea of drones is making me feel all warm and fuzzy this holiday season!

[reformist2]

47. They know their world is ending, and they're losing their minds.

[oldbanjo]

48. There are some crazy people in this Country

and I fill you should have some protection in case they do start something. I support Obama. Some of these nuts have 40 to 100,000 rounds for their guns.

[BigDemVoter]

49. Well, now that you remind me of that hell hole, Gitmo, and as long as it's open. . . .

We sure don't want all that space to be wasted! I'm not 100% serious, but come one, how can anybody even talk about an armed insurrection against our lawfully elected government?

[maxrandb]

50. Have these asshats

ever seen a Carrier Air Wing, or a Marine Expeditionary Unit in action?

Bring it, ya' fucksticks! If these asshats want to commit "suicide by Marine Artiliary Division", then America will be a much better and safer place.

[Turbineguy]

51. Was he advocating armed insurrection?

or did his lawyers advise him to stay behind that line?

[cliffordu]

54. Somalia

NO big government there and you can have all the weapons you can afford (Thinking RPG's!!!!)

And you can KILL all day and all night......PARADISE I TELLS YA!!!

[LP2K12]

55. This "man"...

is scum.

[mick063]

56. Former Navy

Was on a ship too small for Marines, so I was a member of the ship's security force. Participated in many drills. Practiced at the range once a week.

I own a gun. Would gladly give it up if the law dictated so. It is safely locked up.

I'll help take on this insurrection. I didn't buy this gun in fear of urban blacks. I bought this gun to protect myself from NRA loving, Fox News watching, Alan West voting, nut jobs and their planned arm revolt.

Disarm those crazys and I will gladly give up my weapon. In the meantime, I can help with a couple of em. It isn't just the military they need to worry about with this insurrection.

[DinahMoeHum]

88. Yeah, they keep forgetting they're not the only ones

with guns. Liberals can also shoot.

[RomneyLies]

57. Ship them to a TRUE Libertarian Ayn Rand PARADISE!

Ship them to Somalia.

[jpljr77]

59. Anonymous, paging Anonymous n/t

[CarmanK]

60. I'll put my Military up against their threatened ARMED rebellion any time.

these are guys who wrap themselves in the AMERICAN flag and rights to bear arms, but have no respect what so ever for MAJORITY RULES or the fact that society has a right to protect its people from danger.

[Hayabusa]

61. I got a gun, where can I join!?

Of course I'd mainly be *coughcough*passinginfotoUSarmy*coughcough*

[rustydog]

66. Jump in front of your "army"general numb nuts and lead the charge

give a guy a gun and suddenly, they are Alexander the Great....Jesus, this is getting tiring.

[judesedit]

67. You want these assholes armed to the teeth???Get these bastards mental help. Where were they in 2000

when the election was handed to an incompetent bimbo and 2004 when it really was stolen. He is mentally ill and needs a padded cell he can take his aggression out on.

[judesedit]

68. Take his guns. He just threatened the President and Congress. Next?

[NICO9000]

71. Cenk ripped this guy a new one a few months ago

He eviscerated all of Pratt's bogus arguments. I got into it on the TYT board with people who thought Cenk was too hard on him. They were wrong.

[cynzke]

73. Lead The Way....

General Larry. Lets see how brave you are. I'm sick to death of these armchair cowboys who watch video games and movies like "Red Dawn" just itching to try out their weapons. Its all macho bravado, easy to spew while hiding in their dark little weasel dens. Just how are you going to forement a revolution when every heart beat, body movement can be monitored and tracked via satellite. Larry Pratt will be lucky to make it as far as the end of his drive way before he is stopped in this revolution he advocates. Ridiculous.

[Stinky The Clown]

74. That man, on those who think like him hurt all of us - including sane, responsible gun owners.

The gun owners need to go after this fuckwad and pressure him out of business.

[aquart]

76. We have a private prison industry that will be thrilled.

We also have Marion which is nasty. We put putzes who piss us off in Marion.

[samsingh]

78. i guess they'll find out how strong the military, homeguard or whoever else needs to get involved

really is.

[Blue_In_AK]

81. I'm seeing a lot of this kind of talk

on our local paper's website in response to the possibility that any new gun legislation comes up. Some of these people scare me.

[Cleita]

82. Do they have a message board?

Should we go troll their site like they seem to be trolling ours?

About Gitmo, why not give them one way tickets to Siberia? The Russians know how to treat people like them. Things haven't changed much there since the Soviet gulags.

[reteachinwi]

83. Civil War?

When General Sherman marched through the Confederacy his goal was to disarm the South and eliminate their ability to make war. That's when he said "War is all hell, and I'm determined that they shall have it." Can we do better than this?

[1StrongBlackMan]

84. Here's hoping ...

300,000 of the problem solved.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

85. These guys LOVE the Second Amendment...

but they don't seem to be nearly as enamored of Article 3, Section 3, eh?

[DinahMoeHum]

87. Pratt: A slab of meat with a big mouth and a teeny wienie problem.

[OneGrassRoot]

89. I went to their FB page...

saw a few "friends" listed there (definitely conservative, not liberals *liking* in order to post), and promptly deleted them from my friend list.

Things like this really help me weed out people.

[craigmatic]

91. I hope they do revolt then the military can put them down and we can finally get strong gun laws.

[PA Democrat]

96. Here's a link to video of Mr. Pratt's Hardball appearance if you can stomach it

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/ns/msnbc_tv-hardball_with_chris_matthews/#50230330

[HockeyMom]

97. Should spouses and parents shoot their own family members

by their logic if they are not "on board" gunners?????

[edbermac]

101. I'd love to see these weekend warriors take on the guys who took on bin Laden.

Good luck.

[bowens43]

105. nicely illustrating the reason we need a near total ban on gun and ammunition ownership......

when these idiots think they may not be getting their way , their first response is"'let's kill them"

[BainsBane]

106. Some on DU have made similar threats

And a jury allowed it to stand.

Gitmo works for me.

[Ilsa]

109. I'd love to put half of these extremists

in green camo, the other in desert khaki, and then tell each group individually that the other colored camo wants to take their guns. Give them endless mags.

Their stupidity should resolve most if the issue for us.

[47of74]

110. A couple years ago...

...there was a member of the Armed Forces, a Marine I believe, who wrote an open letter to the teabaggers asking if they really knew what a nation torn apart by civil war would look like? Or how much shit they would get into challenging the lawfully elected government of this country? And he capped it off by saying that if he got a frag order for a southern city he would obey that order.

[Historic NY]

112. If they're are advocating an armed inserrection they should be hunted down...

by the armed forces of this country imprisoned or,,,,


http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/18C115.txt

[shenmue]

113. The moon?

We can give them oxygen tanks if we're feeling generous.

[Riftaxe]

114. I have taken on our government

in the voting booth of every election. Does that make me a terrorist?

[Andy Stanton]

115. Right wing fantasy

But I wouldn't mind if they tried it. They wouldn't stand a chance against the US Army.

[tledford]

117. Eh.

Not too worried about even as many as 300,000 drooling cretins taking over the country, no matter how many guns they have.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

121. We have lots of gun-stockpiling angry white guys.

Waiting for all those poor black people to come out of the cities and raid our little towns which are very poor. Those poor black people don't have any cars or gas money, but the angry white guys are convinced they are going to leave the city on Inauguration Day and invade the little towns.

[caseymoz]

128. I'll bet they don't have 300k members.

I see the way progunners use statistics.

[Spryguy]

130. I wish they would revolt...

I'd tell those repugnican assholes to say hi to David Koresh!

[Downtown Hound]

131. Go right ahead idiot

I'd love to see you get slaughtered by an Apache helicopter. Maybe then you'd understand why taking on the government with only an AR-15 is a bad idea, but you won't, because you'll be super dead.

[Hekate]

135. Teeny peenie syndrome. How very sad.

And one of them is visiting us in this very thread. Maybe we should feel honored.

Oh, yes it's

Hekate

[King_Klonopin]

137. There should be NO MORE DEBATING !!!!

Either get on board, or get out of the fucking way.

We don't care anymore about the idiotic counter-arguements
against taking action and regulation. They are all WRONG and
IRRELEVANT. It's no longer a matter of opinion. Death is
a real motherfucker!

Dear POTUS,
please do this one thing in your last term: push through,
roll-over, steamroll, bludgeon, do whatever it takes; but
do not debate this issue any longer and push through some
TOUGH REGULATIONS ON GUNS.

The GOA has basically threatened that they will go to any lengths
to protect their God-given rights to shoot YOU, Mr President.

[jamtoday]

138. The media's responsibility

in all this.

The disturbing part for me is when a high profile man like this turns Fox and others manipulation of your emotions on what was already a lost election into some form of reasoning for the tragedies that continue to befall you. This man whom we must credit with some level of education has listened to the Right Wing look into the crystal ball and predict the outcome of the election and rather than accept they were lying in order to whip up the very sentiments he is expressing somehow believes the election was stolen from him and his ilk. He has taken Fox news as Gospel. This should be troubling to you, scepticism is healthy.

I have to speculate that this atmosphere and heightening of tension and the creation of false threats could play to the more extreme Right Wing's target audience of young men, when those young men are seriously troubled individuals what, if any, is the responsibility for subsequent problems the media must carry for the constant hysterias being whipped up.

The UK is far from perfect and I am seriously at odds with this country. A few points do stand out though and as fundamentalism is part of the root cause I will start there. The UK has an Advertising Standards Authority, yes that's right we threw the snake oil salesmen out of Dodge a long time ago, so the idea of people soliciting money to pray for you to get rich is such an obvious scam it would not even make it to air. Same goes for miracle soap or anything claimed to have health or indeed any benefit to the purchaser they must have some provable benefit otherwise you do not get a shop window the way the charlatans are allowed on your networks.

With that start we then go onto your news and current affairs programmes. Oh! deary, deary me. Where to begin? We had the Hungeford and Dunblane tragedies but the thing to point out immediately is the fact these were two grown men, the man at the centre of the Dunblane tragedy was known to have paedophile tendencies. Although we had the James Bolger murder by two young boys the idea of young men arming to the teeth and going to murder as many as possible of their classmates or children in school would still seem to be an anathema to young men raised on similar Hollywood and televisual violence, so the problems would seem to go deeper than that. Nowhere within those claiming to be presenting news or comment on the mainstream would you have anyone claiming God wasn't there as the sole reason, indeed any reason, for the occurence of such abhorrent acts which should leave us asking the question "where have all the American adults emigrated to?". The politicians in the UK would also be taken to task, or not, over their response. However the idea that the election of the politician charged with the responsibility being elected as prime cause or catalyst would get one laughed off the airwaves. Once again the problem would seem to run deeper.

[annabanana]

139. Sounds like Terrorist Threats to me. . . .n/t

[socialindependocrat]

140. I agree - It went too far when Bush stole the FL vote from Gore

Just think of how nice our economy would be
and how far ahead of the global warming issue we'd be
if someone had fought to count all those lost votes in Florida.

Somwehow we need to fight the corruption of our government.

And I'm not saying with guns so don't get your panties in a bunch.
I'm saying we need more Bernies and Elizabeth Warrens who will
represent the people.

[ReRe]

141. "GOA hints at armed revolt"???

Ha! Uncle Sam says BRING IT ON! Make My Day! Yeah, that's what old Uncle Sam says. Uncle Sam is watching each and ever one of these gun-nut groups/"militias". They just swooped in on a bunch of them a couple months ago. Does anyone remember that? Can't remember where it was. There will be NO armed insurrections in this country that won't be completely obliterated by the USG. I guarANtee. And just as soon as they raise their ugly little heads. They can have their ideas of grandiosity. But they can't make them come true, unless they are just intent on going out in a "blaze of glory." And some of them do have that "Blaze of Glory" mentality. What they ought to do is all get together in one place with all their guns. Have a big old fashioned pow-wow and see what happens.