2014 is the year we lose the Senate and give the House a bigger Repuke majority than in 2010

[eridani]

--if Dems and Obama continue to cave on cutting Social Security.

[Walk away]

1. That is for sure. nt

[trumad]

4. aint you all sweet...

or rather yet---full of crap

[eridani]

5. I won't be, but the occasional voters that I practically had to drag to ballot drop boxes will

These people mostly think of voting as something that doesn't much matter, because they'll get fucked over no matter how they vote. Obama seems to be working hard to prove them right.

[RKP5637]

8. I dragged a number of them also ... and I know they will say what difference did my

vote make, I'm still screwed over. A number of people see no difference between the parties, now, right or wrong, that is "their" perception and that is what could haunt the 2014 election. I vote, I always vote, about the dumbest thing IMO is someone sitting home and letting others run/ruin their life for them.

[99Forever]

10. Why do you suppose they have that mindset?

[JackRiddler]

27. Really now?

Don't you think the bigger problem lies with politicians who render their promises worthless, thus discouraging popular belief and participation in the process? I speak as someone who expects these results and nevertheless votes lesser evil, but that puts me in a small minority. Most people are conditioned to discouragement about politics and want to believe fully in what they vote for. (The latter quality is all-too evident on DU, where quasi-deification of the chosen team leadership is a must.)

[Fumesucker]

39. Politicians have absolutely no responsibility for people being disenchanted with politics

I've been told that both explicitly and implicitly many, many times here on DU so it must be true.

[Le Taz Hot]

25. Then you've no stomach for politics.

Politics is, and always has been, a long-term game. When things don't go your way you can get up and fight again the next day and the next and the next OR you can curl up into a little ball with your thumb in your mouth and pout in your room. It's your choice.

[JackRiddler]

28. Do you think contempt is the best way to approach the undecided?

Is having a stomach for "politics" (which in this case means tolerance for hypocrisy) a required quality? What about people who just want to choose between candidates who actually tell the truth about what they believe and intend to stick to it? Are they beneath your contempt? Do you think you will win them over by berating them as losers?

The point is that things supposedly did go her way - she's not losing to the Republicans, she's being betrayed by Democratic leadership.

[Le Taz Hot]

44. I offered a graphic illustration

of those who proclaim, after one or a few setbacks, "If _________ happens, I'm never voting again!" It's a juvenile reaction and I chose to to illustrate it as such. You chose to interpret that to mean "contempt" or "losers." Those labels are yours, my friend, not mine.

As to the use of the word "stomach," I thought I made it clear I was referring to tenacity. I could have just as easily used "guts" as in the guts it takes to see a cause, or causes, all the way through to the end. In this case, Obama (apparently) caving in on SS.

The remainder of your paragraph indicates that you have interpreted my position as advocating for the status quo when the opposite is actually true. An examination of my 11-year posting history would bear that out.

Maybe that clears things up, maybe it doesn't but either way, I'm done analyzing a post that took me all of 45 seconds to write.

[JackRiddler]

46. No, I see you're coming from a different direction than it seemed to me.

I don't consider your 45-second post the least bit productive, since it echoes the "get over it" reflex even if it's meant differently. But I see from your other posts we probably have an alignment on the essentials of What Is the Problem and What Is to Be Done?

[RKP5637]

3. I want the democratic party back that I grew up with!!! n/t

[bullwinkle428]

6. This will be the Pukes' #1 campaign theme : "Obama took your Social Security away!!1!"

It will have tremendous traction if there's even a grain of truth to it.

[eridani]

7. Yep--worked just fine on Medicare in 2010

They posed as the defenders of Medicare, the program they want to voucherize or destroy, and Dems responded with pissy little lists of microconstituencies benefitting from ACA instead of pushing basic values.

[RKP5637]

14. Yep, and they will hammer that message over and over again until right or wrong, it will

stick and it will influence some people to sit home or vote R. Often I think Obama needs some human behaviorists on his staff to advise on how the mass mind works.

[Faryn Balyncd]

24. That is the GOP formula.

[NYC Liberal]

29. So Republicans will bullshit like they always do,

and some here are either running scared or buying into it.

[Dawgs]

9. If true, then President Obama is stupid or heartless or both.

No different than any Republican.

[RKP5637]

11. I often think his advisers are not the sharpest tools in the tool shed. n/t

[eridani]

13. They'e not dumb. They're just not working for us n/t

[RKP5637]

15. Excellent point!!!

[Le Taz Hot]

26. Nailed. it.

[Dawgs]

16. Why are trying to take the blame off of the person we actually elected? He's responsible. n/t

[RKP5637]

22. Yep, that is the bottom line. n/t

[eridani]

12. Not really. Repukes would just like to execute every senior with an income below $20/year

The Dems wil agree that the number executed ought to be reduced.

[ieoeja]

32. Backwards. Republics want to end minimum wage. It is upward mobility that they oppose.

They view Middle Class as the #1 threat to the power structure. Which, in an orderly society, it is.

Of course, without a Middle Class you end up with a disorderly society. The threat eventually becomes more deadly in nature. But nobody has ever accused our politicians of being long-sighted.

[WI_DEM]

17. Of course, traditionally the party in white house loses seats in the house and senate

in midterm elections any way. So this isn't such a prophetic prediction.

[eridani]

18. Big difference between losing a few seats and getting completely creamed

Repukes GAINED seats in 2002, BTW.

[RegieRocker]

19. and the talk about

banning guns along with atheist hate against those of religion. It will be the Dems political cliff.

[Glitterati]

21. Wrong!

You need to visit some of the polling. EVERYone agrees it's past time to get guns under control.

[rock]

23. How about we all join in for a verse of Duane Eddy's "Yep!"

You know he doesn't have many tunes you can sing.

[yardwork]

30. True.

[duffyduff]

31. If they aren't for preserving Social Security,

then what in the hell is the point in they're being Democrats?

[RussBLib]

33. Hogwash

If the Dems are willing to cut Social Security and Medicare (of which I am not convinced), then hey, let's all vote for the guys (GOP)that will dismantle them altogether.

Makes no sense to me.

[spanone]

34. 'continue to cave on social security' oh really? any links on that?

[bigtree]

35. link

. . .and not to bullshit 'sources' who can't even bear a direct quote.

You deserve to lose if you can't figure out how to avoid being played by the media. Fortunately, there are cooler heads in America. NOTHING that happened in that last election resembled the wisdom spread by the critics of the President at DU. NOTHING. I'm satisfied that voters are so much smarter than the hand-wringing, false-info that inflates the commentary here. The sum of the political analysis here is a joke.

[ellenfl]

36. he's caving on cola. i better stock up on catfood. eom

[DJ13]

53. Catfood tastes horrid without cola to wash it down

[Puglover]

37. I agree.

I am not going to freak out about this latest round of info until it's more solid. However if they cave I believe you are correct.

[ieoeja]

38. I was a $100/month donor to the DNC. I donated thousands to Obama. I am a centrist/moderate.

Yet, I will never vote Democratic again if this happens.

This is a game changer even for me.

[arthritisR_US]

40. I'll believe it when I see it, so far all I've seen is

alarmist rhetoric.

[JackRiddler]

48. Maybe the Republicans will save things...

By blowing the deal and causing a minor panic as we go over the Fiscal Bump.

[arthritisR_US]

49. One could also see it as the Dem's saving things...

these proposals that Boner has given during negotiations are a joke. Any going over the fiscal bump will be due to repukian's negotiating in bad faith, IMO.

[JackRiddler]

54. One could see it so, but it wouldn't be the case.

The proposals that were given to Boehner with chained CPI were all too real. Luckily his intent (or his perceived necessity for staying on top of his lunatic party) has always been to negotiate in bad faith. Thus the bad D proposals (capitulating to cuts on SS etc. and giving way on taxes on the 250-400K set) are being rejected even as we speak! Thus, thanks to the R's being insane, we should go over the fiscal bump. The phony hysteria on the market and in the corporate media should evaporate by mid-January, and next year gives a slightly better chance of a good deal. (8 seats better in House, possible end to preemptive filibusters in Senate.) Or the Rs drag it out for many more months, damaging themselves above all. It's essential that the current offer not be accepted. (Golly, hope Boehner ain't reading this!) ;0

[arthritisR_US]

56. That being the case I too hope the offer is

not accepted! This is like watching a flick with Russian Roulette in it

[WhoIsNumberNone]

41. The Democrats know as long as we have only them and the Republicans to choose from

they have us over a barrel. Of course we're going to vote for them. If we have the choice between being raped or being gang raped are we going to go with the gang rape in the hope that the single rapist will get the message and go easy on us next time? (Sorry for the analogy- but it is the way I feel most of the time.) This is why I want to get rid of the Electoral College and get the corporate money out of politics. Give us a choice other than the shitty and less shitty.

[RomneyLies]

42. I won't see any need to go to the polls

It'd be the first election I missed since I turned 18, too.

[Egalitarian Thug]

43. K&R I'm down with a prediction of a veto-proof majority. Then nothing will be his fault. n/t

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2018205

[leftstreet]

45. Yippee! Then nothing can be blamed on the Democrats!!

DURec

[OldDem2012]

47. Oh good lord. The fact-challenged media states something to be true and....

....you want to take it as an absolute?

Come on. I thought we had learned our lessons about the MSM.

[we can do it]

50. Just like 2010 all over again

[doc03]

51. I agree the Republicans will hang the cuts in SS on Democrats. A quote I have heard every day the

last two years in a promo for Rush Limbaugh "We don't comprimise, we won."

[Cha]

52. Yeah, 'cause that worked so well in 2010.. Stamp your

feet and stay home.

"Continue to cave"? What have they caved on so far?

[Rosco T.]

55. Bullshit.

Utter. Complete. Bullshit.